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CobraX1
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lol u like my title
Ok people say dwarfs look like the ones off of wow but i say ur blind and right all at the same time.You ever look closley at a dwarf on both if u did u would notice that there realy istn that much to a dwarf face adn why is that why beacuse there is a huge beard covering it and when there istn a huge beard covering it there is a giant piece fo plate mail covering it all the dwarfs u create on either game are gonna have beards so by saying they look alike yes they do if u think two men in ski masks look alike beacuse thats about all u usualy see of a dwarfes face aside from teh face if u want to talk about the body short and stumpy of coarse and unsualy strong for a small guy clasic dwarf so enless u creat a totaly new race and call it dwarf all dwarfs are gonna look alike forever!!and how about the orcs i dont personaly think they look alike wars are more blood lust crazy and have never been sane while wows gives that look of could be intelligence and if u know wow history they have helped the humans before and war orcs dont even know how to help themselves.but aside from that orcs genraly look alike beacuse they have narly teeth sometimes with tusks green skin is a must big and brutish looking adn stupid they are the classic what i call teh buba look
big strong and dumb and i dont know about u but in real life i can tell a buba a mile away
Ok people say dwarfs look like the ones off of wow but i say ur blind and right all at the same time.You ever look closley at a dwarf on both if u did u would notice that there realy istn that much to a dwarf face adn why is that why beacuse there is a huge beard covering it and when there istn a huge beard covering it there is a giant piece fo plate mail covering it all the dwarfs u create on either game are gonna have beards so by saying they look alike yes they do if u think two men in ski masks look alike beacuse thats about all u usualy see of a dwarfes face aside from teh face if u want to talk about the body short and stumpy of coarse and unsualy strong for a small guy clasic dwarf so enless u creat a totaly new race and call it dwarf all dwarfs are gonna look alike forever!!and how about the orcs i dont personaly think they look alike wars are more blood lust crazy and have never been sane while wows gives that look of could be intelligence and if u know wow history they have helped the humans before and war orcs dont even know how to help themselves.but aside from that orcs genraly look alike beacuse they have narly teeth sometimes with tusks green skin is a must big and brutish looking adn stupid they are the classic what i call teh buba look big strong and dumb and i dont know about u but in real life i can tell a buba a mile away 
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Wow.... erm let me just edit this a little so I can reply....
I'd agree that a dwarf is always going to be a guy with a beard, short and stumpy in fantasy, but the way people try to argue its as if WoW invented the dwarf, prehaps its plain stupidity, I don't know but most WoW players now probably belive there game to be there second world and are afraid that anything with a little muscel will destroy it.
As for Orcs on the other hand there JJR Tolkins babys, he invented them and what they are, and portrayed in the books and films is nothing like what they are today, looking back over the change in orcs to get to the one's most people see as orcs you must go through D&D there interpritation and how close it was to LotR, Games Workshop then had there own style, much like the one seen in WoW and its heavily belived (and in interview quoted) that these were based on GW Orcs.
And we all know a GW orc is a Warhammer Orc...
We could argue the toss that a dwarf will always be a dwarf, an orc will always be an orc, elf an elf, human.... well you get the point, but the way a company potrays somthing will always alter from that of another company. prime example here when comparing (Or trying too) WAR to WoW is goblins, thery are there own no matter what every companys goblins always look a lot diffrent
Examples:
Lord of the Rings
Warhammer Online: Age of Reckoning
Word of Warcraft
I'll leave it at that.
Die Noctique, By Day and Night
Yeah JJR invented the orc, there original society and the language for them.
Before that there was goblins and other things from old tales some a little like orcs but he gave them name, figure and background.
Die Noctique, By Day and Night
Yeah JJR invented the orc, there original society and the language for them.
Before that there was goblins and other things from old tales some a little like orcs but he gave them name, figure and background.
Cool. So we can say that all games containing orcs are just copies of Lord of the Rings
Yeah JJR invented the orc, there original society and the language for them.
Before that there was goblins and other things from old tales some a little like orcs but he gave them name, figure and background.
Cool. So we can say that all games containing orcs are just copies of Lord of the Rings
Well, there's a difference between a copy or clone and a reuse.
See, most games that use Orcs try to keep their spirit of them in tact. Like the big thing about Tolken's Orcs were that they were the enemies of man. You see this some in D&D and Warhammer. This is because there's little chance of LoTR ever becoming a roleplaying game and even if it did, their Orcs wouldn't be the same as LoTR's anyway.
Meanwhile, Warcraft just fs things up. In Warcraft, Orcs aren't the enemy of man, they're just misunderstood guys with tusks. Wtf? That's why I hate when people say something's a WoW clone. It's not, it's another Tolken translation. WoW is crappy Tolken translation anyway. It uses Fantasy elements but it has none of the soul. At least WAR will be a good Tolken Translation, where Orcs are the enemies of man and where the world is such peral that the threat doesn't effect man, it effects man, Elves, Dwarves, Living Trees, Hobbits, and every other damn thing in existance. There's a reason for WAR to made and that's because WoW is crap. I don't care how well it sells, blizzard just abuses the fantasy genre and it's litterary devices in order to sell it's crappy genric games.
Yeah JJR invented the orc, there original society and the language for them.
Before that there was goblins and other things from old tales some a little like orcs but he gave them name, figure and background.
Cool. So we can say that all games containing orcs are just copies of Lord of the Rings
Well, there's a difference between a copy or clone and a reuse.
See, most games that use Orcs try to keep their spirit of them in tact. Like the big thing about Tolken's Orcs were that they were the enemies of man. You see this some in D&D and Warhammer. This is because there's little chance of LoTR ever becoming a roleplaying game and even if it did, their Orcs wouldn't be the same as LoTR's anyway.
Meanwhile, Warcraft just fs things up. In Warcraft, Orcs aren't the enemy of man, they're just misunderstood guys with tusks. Wtf? That's why I hate when people say something's a WoW clone. It's not, it's another Tolken translation. WoW is crappy Tolken translation anyway. It uses Fantasy elements but it has none of the soul. At least WAR will be a good Tolken Translation, where Orcs are the enemies of man and where the world is such peral that the threat doesn't effect man, it effects man, Elves, Dwarves, Living Trees, Hobbits, and every other damn thing in existance. There's a reason for WAR to made and that's because WoW is crap. I don't care how well it sells, blizzard just abuses the fantasy genre and it's litterary devices in order to sell it's crappy genric games.
AmenYeah JJR invented the orc, there original society and the language for them.
Before that there was goblins and other things from old tales some a little like orcs but he gave them name, figure and background.
Cool. So we can say that all games containing orcs are just copies of Lord of the Rings
Well, there's a difference between a copy or clone and a reuse.
See, most games that use Orcs try to keep their spirit of them in tact. Like the big thing about Tolken's Orcs were that they were the enemies of man. You see this some in D&D and Warhammer. This is because there's little chance of LoTR ever becoming a roleplaying game and even if it did, their Orcs wouldn't be the same as LoTR's anyway.
Meanwhile, Warcraft just fs things up. In Warcraft, Orcs aren't the enemy of man, they're just misunderstood guys with tusks. Wtf? That's why I hate when people say something's a WoW clone. It's not, it's another Tolken translation. WoW is crappy Tolken translation anyway. It uses Fantasy elements but it has none of the soul. At least WAR will be a good Tolken Translation, where Orcs are the enemies of man and where the world is such peral that the threat doesn't effect man, it effects man, Elves, Dwarves, Living Trees, Hobbits, and every other damn thing in existance. There's a reason for WAR to made and that's because WoW is crap. I don't care how well it sells, blizzard just abuses the fantasy genre and it's litterary devices in order to sell it's crappy genric games.
I agree with you man. I'm just suprised some WoW fanboi hasn't come in and told you how creative Blizz's take is on the "orc" and how narrow-minded we are all. That's how WAR got my attention in the first place: it's a brutal world with brutal, ass kicking orcs.
http://www.youtube.com/user/Metallica8589/videos?view=0
Orcs allied with Chaos is a bad idea IMO. Very bad idea, removing either from playable would have been better than putting them in the same faction.
Chaos defined what Warhammer is...The world is under onslaught by Chaos forces, and nobody, nobody that doesn't bend to Chaos is an enemy. The orcs who bend to Chaos, they are not orcs anymore, they are Chaos, just like Chaos Warriors or whatever. Implying an alliance either change what Chaos is (the root of warhammer), or that every orc/Dark elf bend to them, which isn't Warhammer. Orcs fight, orcs stomps, orcs won't give in. For Chaos is untrustable, even for orcs...heck, Chaos is unstrustable, even to other Chaos factions. WAR uses only Tzenth and this is the most likely to form such weird alliances, but I expect them to fight Khorne a LOT on the way, for every time they can fight anyone, they should have found Khorne on their way a few times....or Nurgles clutching at them! As to Khorne, this means the orcs join Tzenth, and thereby are mortal enemies...and even so, I dislike the idea, why aren't they suffering from Chaos-mutation, they join Tzenth, they are not orcs anymore...they are...Chaos. Chaos has no compromise, but to overwhelming everything else, in the particuliar order implied by who they meet in what order. The Dark elves and Tzenth would certainly have interesting agreements, but they wouldn't "group together", they would prolly try to avoid fighting each other, which mostly means that Tzenth would focus his attacks elsewhere...not group DEs without corrupting them, for Chaos is not a good neighbor, they group you, they corrupt you, you are Chaos from there on. Anyone resisting Tzenth wouldn't resist Slaanesh (aka as in a rape, Slaanesh doesn,t take only willing targets), and just wake up, 1 morning, with an opposite sex sprouted on their forehead or something just as disturbing, and since we want a kids friendly game, then they where all corrupted by Tzenth.
Chaos doesn't fight Imperials for ethic reasons. They fight the Empire because the Empire is blocking them on their path to progression! They fight anything which has a border with them...including other Chaos Gods. Skavens are the only one who may justify a form of alliance with Chaos, and they join Chaos, they are not "Skavens" as much as they would like, they are...a Chaos subfaction. There are 4 majors Chaos Gods, and countless minors...Skavens have some minor Gods...which manage exceptionnally well IMO (having little contacts with the remaining chaos help them manage better, no doubts).
- "If I understand you well, you are telling me until next time. " - Ren
Traditionally, within the Chaos powers, Khorne & Slaanesh are opposed to each other and Nurgle & Tzeentch are opposed to each other.
In order to prevent the four Chaos factions fighting each other, the "Chaos faction" in Warhammer Online is most likely that of Chaos undivided. Chaos undivided is allowable in both Warhammer 40k & Fantasy Battle (examples... Horsey & Abaddon in 40k and Archaon in FB).
Slaanesh was responsible for the corruption of High Elves, those of which eventually became the Dark Elves. Therefore, the inclusion of Dark Elves into the "Chaos faction" is supportable.
Orcs & goblins need to fight to grow. Therefore, their culture is dominated by the concept of strength (might makes right). Which means they have no laws governing their culture. Which is indicative of a chaotic race that would be drawn to the "Chaos faction".
I know it's not perfect. But, it's how they wanted to go. Otherwise, they would have to limit the races players would be able to choose or would have to go all races versus each other (which in a game developers stand point would create too many problems to effectively implement).
"Whosoever shed last blood
By man shall his blood be shed
For immunity of God make he the man
Destroy all that which is evil
So that which is good may flourish
And I shall count thee among my favored sheep
And you shall have the protection of all the angels in Heaven."
Just want to add something, in this game ALL gods are supported, but for various reasons only Tzeentch is playable. Khorne would only end up having you scream: "Blood for the Blood God" all the time and whacking at anything that breathes. So you would only have one class, as they shun range and magic. Roleplaying isn't that immersive, but well, it's easy to roleplay a Khornate, if you only have to scream one sentence.
Nurgle, although many fans, not many want to end up as boil-festered ghoullike abominations. And Chaos would lose its appeal.
Slaanesh, this game T for Teen, with Slaanesh being a major Chaos-aspect, this would turn to M for Mature. Perhaps some warriors of Slaanesh as NPC's could work (as long they don't run around with three revealed boobs or their d*ck hanging out of their pants).
Undivided is a rare occasion and is still not 'whoopidie every is a friend' This temporary thruce only happens once in centuries and only when the New Everchosen goes to war, being favoured by all 4 Powers. But it would end up with very generic classes.
Tzeentch is not only magic-junks, it's also warriors who want to become the most powerful. Tzeentch is lorewise also the most purest form of Chaos, as he is total Chaos himself. He was also the first God to exist. His minions are ambitious and grant their souls to them for anything possible, mostly higher intellect, understanding and manipulation of the material world. He has the most Magus, but also the strongest warriors, as they often get gifted with skill and knowledge of arms, or even visions of the future or even can calculate their next move and know what the enemy is about to do, before his opponent even entered the fight. They are all in all, the true representation of Chaos, only division and rivalry between their own ranks, their scheming and plotting for inidividual gains, has caused they haven't destroyed the other Chaotics or swarmed the world.
Tzeentch therefore gives extra interest in roleplaying, game-mechanics are easier to decide and their T for Teen keeps that way.
i know im a little late for this but LORT started everything with the books that tolkien worte every fantisy game made is based off off LOTR or bassed off of somethign that was based off of LOTR you cna disagree with me or w/e but i dosent matter those book created swords and and magic for us and how we know it today all i know it that he would be dissapointed in LORT online
Yeah JJR invented the orc, there original society and the language for them.
Before that there was goblins and other things from old tales some a little like orcs but he gave them name, figure and background.
Cool. So we can say that all games containing orcs are just copies of Lord of the Rings
Well, there's a difference between a copy or clone and a reuse.
See, most games that use Orcs try to keep their spirit of them in tact. Like the big thing about Tolken's Orcs were that they were the enemies of man. You see this some in D&D and Warhammer. This is because there's little chance of LoTR ever becoming a roleplaying game and even if it did, their Orcs wouldn't be the same as LoTR's anyway.
Meanwhile, Warcraft just fs things up. In Warcraft, Orcs aren't the enemy of man, they're just misunderstood guys with tusks. Wtf? That's why I hate when people say something's a WoW clone. It's not, it's another Tolken translation. WoW is crappy Tolken translation anyway. It uses Fantasy elements but it has none of the soul. At least WAR will be a good Tolken Translation, where Orcs are the enemies of man and where the world is such peral that the threat doesn't effect man, it effects man, Elves, Dwarves, Living Trees, Hobbits, and every other damn thing in existance. There's a reason for WAR to made and that's because WoW is crap. I don't care how well it sells, blizzard just abuses the fantasy genre and it's litterary devices in order to sell it's crappy genric games.
You just received the stamp of game master Xyang! And promoted to the rank of "gaming warriors"! GRATS!What deserves to be done, deserves to be "well" done...
Im not trying to be a dick... but cmon man, use PARAGRAPHS. Even if your not sure when to start a new paragraph, just do it. It makes it much more easier to read. If you dont, some people wont reply because they dont feel like taking the time to drudge thru your collaboration of letters.
People can look past spelling... but many wont take the time to decipher your post if its one HUGE jumble of letters.
Or in WoWspeak L2paragraph
And Tolkien created his fantasy world by reusing mythology. He wasn't first either. Orcs is Ancient English (when it was still similar to Norse) for 'green deamons/spirits' of which Tolkien used the idea from. Trolls are a Norse mythological creature. Dwarves are also Norse mythological creatures. Elves are as well from ancient stories, wizards/druids etc. I could just go on, but Tolkien didn't invented all these races himself. And then I'm still dubious if the Norse/other mythologies were first with their stories as well.
Just some piece of advice: Swords are the most obvious not invented by Tolkien, neither is magic. As you might know. So that was, sorry to say, kind of dumb to state.
Fantasy predates Tolkien, and while D&D (and its derivatives) borrow from LOTR, not all fantasy is based off of LOTR. The Conan stories, for example, predate LOTR by a good bit and clearly don't borrow anything from it. Edgar Rice Burroughs created many influential sword and sorcery novels, and he died not long after LOTR was first published. The Elric series takes place in a world that's clearly not Tolkien's. There's plenty of fantasy that has none of the trappings that distinguish Tolkien's world, and plenty that's clearly borrowing from the same original source material that Tolkien did.
in a side note lord of the rings orcs i think now i could be wrong so dont get mad lol but i think they where actualy once elves but where twisted and then breed to be killing machines with no hearts and the ones u see at the end are the orikai
Fantasy predates Tolkien, and while D&D (and its derivatives) borrow from LOTR, not all fantasy is based off of LOTR. The Conan stories, for example, predate LOTR by a good bit and clearly don't borrow anything from it. Edgar Rice Burroughs created many influential sword and sorcery novels, and he died not long after LOTR was first published. The Elric series takes place in a world that's clearly not Tolkien's. There's plenty of fantasy that has none of the trappings that distinguish Tolkien's world, and plenty that's clearly borrowing from the same original source material that Tolkien did.
i was saying the fantasy that we know today is of tolkiens mind there were fantasy were him i knwo that however Conan did nothing with orcs of any kind his world was a harsh one with good and evil (or just lighter and darker shades of gray how ever you want to see it) but as i said before did nothing with elfs or ocrs or goblins seince we were talking about orcs
And Tolkien created his fantasy world by reusing mythology. He wasn't first either. Orcs is Ancient English (when it was still similar to Norse) for 'green deamons/spirits' of which Tolkien used the idea from. Trolls are a Norse mythological creature. Dwarves are also Norse mythological creatures. Elves are as well from ancient stories, wizards/druids etc. I could just go on, but Tolkien didn't invented all these races himself. And then I'm still dubious if the Norse/other mythologies were first with their stories as well.
Just some piece of advice: Swords are the most obvious not invented by Tolkien, neither is magic. As you might know. So that was, sorry to say, kind of dumb to state.
Cheers to you and that comment!! Tolkien did not invent fantasy he was just a good story teller. Thats it.
It's unbelievable how narrow minded the Warhammer fanboys are...
Every fantasy universe does not all have to be the same. When WC1 came out I can understand that Warhammer fans was pissed with the Warcraft game looking too much like Warhammer, but now with WoW and WC3 the developers are changing many things in the Warcraft universe, thus making it look less like Warhammer and now you complain even more.
The orcs of Warcraft have allways been peacefull, living in the area Nagrand on the planet Draenor untill the Burning Legion came and turned the orcs into bloodthirsty monsters. They then started slaughtering the Draenei, who are the enemies of the Burning Legion. When the Draenei were gone, The Prophet Medivh then opened the Dark Portal, sending them into Azeroth. This is where WC1 starts. Now the bloodrage and the Burning legion is gone, they can start living the same way they did before.
Flaming creativety is just a mean thing to do. That would be the same as if I flamed Warhammer for inventing Dark Elves. "Evil elves... yeah, creative...".
Oh I love the smell of a idiot....
Every fantasy universe does not all have to be the same. When WC1 came out I can understand that Warhammer fans was pissed with the Warcraft game looking too much like Warhammer, but now with WoW and WC3 the developers are changing many things in the Warcraft universe, thus making it look less like Warhammer and now you complain even more.
1. We are not the one's that are complaining, there are a lot of people from the WoW community saying all Warhammer's a clone and copy of WoW and nothing more, since you seem to have knolage and history and have made a historical refrance I see no use, or point in the above comment, infact this is the first time anyone has said that Warcraft no longer looks like Warhammer and that we are complaing, I mean what?The orcs of Warcraft have allways been peacefull, living in the area Nagrand on the planet Draenor untill the Burning Legion came and turned the orcs into bloodthirsty monsters. They then started slaughtering the Draenei, who are the enemies of the Burning Legion. When the Draenei were gone, The Prophet Medivh then opened the Dark Portal, sending them into Azeroth. This is where WC1 starts. Now the bloodrage and the Burning legion is gone, they can start living the same way they did before.
2. Now on to this, sadly this was not always the case, and has been changed to this, you see the Warcraft univers was based on warhammer and they were blood thirsty savages, however with the ability to change one's own history and not care about the people that love the lore behind Warcraft this has only just been made up.
Hell the Draenei are the most original thing in Warcraft.... and there peace loving space traveling demons....
You see your trying to compare a game that has had a solid foundation and 25 years of lore written with a game that has 15 years, with the starting years duplicated from warhammer, and even now to add anything new to the warcrft game you must write more lore for an incomplete world or change it so it fits in, all warhammer does is add more time to its lore and not change the past.
Flaming creativety is just a mean thing to do. That would be the same as if I flamed Warhammer for inventing Dark Elves. "Evil elves... yeah, creative...".
3. Dark Elves are only given that name by humans that try to understand the diffrence between High and Dark, they have there own names in Elven toung and a welth and background of history and way of life, your just being nitty gritty here trying to say that Warcraft is creative after saying the copied Warhammer.And that concludes everything. You were to flawed in all you wrote for the fact that you are probably a old Warhammer player, and are new to the Warcraft universe, taking infomation on early Warcraft from people you know and the ultra modified Warcraft lore pages.
Heres a hint, play W3 look at the maps that you travel through, the places you play then compare to WoW, they started by changing there own world shifting things about, and most recently just added a large chunk of land to the top of a contenant.
Play W3, click on a Gryphon Rider his best quote is "Do you like my Warhammer, it cost 40k, Warhammer 40k do you get it?" paying hommage to the history of the game, WoW is developed by a diffrent team now, the guys behind WC and Diablo now make Guild Wars.
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first of all, i want to say, im not against WAR at any point(im actually buying it if my pc will run it :P).
but this post seems to one long babble about nothing but self-confirmation.
yes, your game is the greatest ever made!
so why make a post about something you already know yourself? o.O
noone with the goal of making another thread called "wow is like WAR" will charge into this post first and read, and think "omg, he is completely right".
if you dont like the threads related with "war vs wow" then ignore them..
Sadly there are those that will come in here and post there only post here, never returning to read what has been written to them, usualy because its been written as a flame thread and these people do it knowing there will be huge back lash, its humain nature to defend what we think is worth defending, that is why we respond, we bite.
I always post with the intention to educate the troll, fool or even ignorant so if they were ever to read they may learn somthing, 3 days ago there was a thread here flaming away as usual about how WAR copied WoW in every subject, I sat down and tore this persons views apart, this one person came back and read I assume, and I'm glad.
He also did what I find kind, he deleted his flame.
We can not teach the blind to see but we can guide them.
Die Noctique, By Day and Night