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MMORPG, the G stands for GARBAGE
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Ok am I alone in this? Disappointed year after year after year as to the new offerings of MMORPG's out there?
I started out, unlike most, with Asheron's Call. Completely different over Everquest, as it offered a more 'free flowing' or dynamic base of what you could or couldn't do. When you received new armor, it looked cool then they made it cooler by allowing you to dye armor that had great AL but maybe just wasn't your 'style' In that game, you could pimp your toon the way you wanted to, AND they offered really cool items that looked great too! Keep in mind this game is like 8 years old! Very interesting game in the fact that you could teleport around, using spells or portals to different locations on a VERY large map where you could possibly run into things that noone knows about yet.
It truly felt like a vast new world to explore.
Since then, I've tried WoW - DAOC - Some other garbage I shelved after 2 hours and countless beta's.
NOTHING came close to the fun factor or, even the immesive feel you got from playing Asheron's call.
Yea, after awhile AC went down because, well lets face it - it's old! Not to mention, the graphics just coulnd't be updated because of the engine used and the devs went on to other projects.
Is it me, or does it seem that everything that comes out is just another DAOC. Move 10 feet, kill something - click attack button and watch the animation while you run silly quests with LOTS of words but little substance?
The graphics even in today's MMORPG seem, to be at best, 2nd gen mmorpg and performance seems a bit lacking even on a kick butt system.
I realize that these are business ventures for these folks, and that they MUST make money. But doesn't the money come from a large fan base rather than rushing a product that is just another churn and burn o matic product like what has been released as of late?
Where is the effort to take all the good from one game, and then another and try to make it into one game?
Where is the in game economy? Where is the 'fear factor'?
Maybe I am wrong but, I don't think so.
LOTR is going to be another in the category of poo. This game is JUST like DAoC. DAoc was so boring for me, and I gave it a good month of play. DAoC was an attempt on graphics but gameplay was a bit snooooooooze. Like I said, move 10 feet and fight the monster.
Heck, I can't even remember playing a MMORPG lately that it is important to jump to a specific area or you MIGHT DIE AND LOSE EVERYTHING. Now THAT's Fear Factor!
Ok, well thoughts? I need serious MMORPG'ers , especially ACers to tell me what's next? Are we going to see more churn o matic garbage products? Or do you think that the NEXT game will be the next good one. They are all starting to look exactly the same to me. Washed 'decent' graphics with not much detail, that look like ports from a graphics artists saved jpg. I don't feel like I am 'in the game' so to speak and I definetely don't feel like playing them when there is no reward system or stats to play around with.
I started out, unlike most, with Asheron's Call. Completely different over Everquest, as it offered a more 'free flowing' or dynamic base of what you could or couldn't do. When you received new armor, it looked cool then they made it cooler by allowing you to dye armor that had great AL but maybe just wasn't your 'style' In that game, you could pimp your toon the way you wanted to, AND they offered really cool items that looked great too! Keep in mind this game is like 8 years old! Very interesting game in the fact that you could teleport around, using spells or portals to different locations on a VERY large map where you could possibly run into things that noone knows about yet.
It truly felt like a vast new world to explore.
Since then, I've tried WoW - DAOC - Some other garbage I shelved after 2 hours and countless beta's.
NOTHING came close to the fun factor or, even the immesive feel you got from playing Asheron's call.
Yea, after awhile AC went down because, well lets face it - it's old! Not to mention, the graphics just coulnd't be updated because of the engine used and the devs went on to other projects.
Is it me, or does it seem that everything that comes out is just another DAOC. Move 10 feet, kill something - click attack button and watch the animation while you run silly quests with LOTS of words but little substance?
The graphics even in today's MMORPG seem, to be at best, 2nd gen mmorpg and performance seems a bit lacking even on a kick butt system.
I realize that these are business ventures for these folks, and that they MUST make money. But doesn't the money come from a large fan base rather than rushing a product that is just another churn and burn o matic product like what has been released as of late?
Where is the effort to take all the good from one game, and then another and try to make it into one game?
Where is the in game economy? Where is the 'fear factor'?
Maybe I am wrong but, I don't think so.
LOTR is going to be another in the category of poo. This game is JUST like DAoC. DAoc was so boring for me, and I gave it a good month of play. DAoC was an attempt on graphics but gameplay was a bit snooooooooze. Like I said, move 10 feet and fight the monster.
Heck, I can't even remember playing a MMORPG lately that it is important to jump to a specific area or you MIGHT DIE AND LOSE EVERYTHING. Now THAT's Fear Factor!
Ok, well thoughts? I need serious MMORPG'ers , especially ACers to tell me what's next? Are we going to see more churn o matic garbage products? Or do you think that the NEXT game will be the next good one. They are all starting to look exactly the same to me. Washed 'decent' graphics with not much detail, that look like ports from a graphics artists saved jpg. I don't feel like I am 'in the game' so to speak and I definetely don't feel like playing them when there is no reward system or stats to play around with.
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Yes, it is you.
Don't worry though, AoC is on the horizon.
I find it amazing that by 2020 first world countries will be competing to get immigrants.
Unfortunately we were spoilt with the freedom, excitement and complexity of UO and AC and we will likely have a long wait till we find another game that brings back that uniqueness and fun factor.
I find it amazing that by 2020 first world countries will be competing to get immigrants.
Don't expect wonder from LOTRO either.
Waiting on the next hopeful.
Thanks for the heads up, another one to keep half an eye on!
I disagree that many of the mmorpg you listed were garbage. I played some AC but at the time was more interested in DAOC and really enjoyed it for over a year. The community when the game was new was great and even though the game at that stage was all about the grind if you had a decent guild pve and rvr was great. I never got into EQ and although I put a couple months into EQ2 the games always felt shallow to me. I’m sure both are great games in their own right just not my taste.
I later moved on to play the now forgotten Shadowbane and was hooked from BETA. I really enjoyed the open PVP and siege style of the game but if it weren’t for their inability to fix pathing issues with mobs I would have quit much sooner. With only a couple core players in a good spot you could power level new toons and guildies getting rid of any need for grinding. The game did eventually get old and the last time I checked was virtually unplayable by English only speaking players.
Then came WoW! I played on and off for two years and forced my way through four lvl 60 characters. This game was great as far as I'm concerned. The different graphic style was a nice change from previous mmo's and for almost a year I really enjoyed the quest style grind. Two 60s in and the inability to find a decent raiding guild left me with little end-game to participate in and even though I went on to casually grind two more chrs to 60 it just wasn’t fun anymore. I quit a few months before the expansion was released and really don’t have any intention of going back.
Don’t get me wrong there have been plenty of steamers released over the years and continue to be released. There were at least a dozen games I played or got beta invites for that had no idea of what the players wanted or thought they could make money by reboxing already existing mmo's. I recently played LOTRO and couldn’t find an original thought in the game. As far as I'm concerned there just betting on peoples love of LOTR to dredge up a player base. Which is kind of sad since I really think they could have made something out of that game just by adding some original ideas and a unique UI? Plus who wants to fight over a group of 4 mobs all day long trying to finish a quest. They really need to increase the quantity of mobs in game.
I'm still really hopeful that AOC or Warhammer turn out to be what we all seem to be hoping for, an original game with good depth and an alternative to the grind / quest grind experience.
I think EVE online is the only game that have that fear feeling, like you described on your post.
And is based on skils like AC is.
PS. Somone advised AoC, but that game is AC oppose in my opinion
Thanks for the heads up, another one to keep half an eye on!
I haven't looked too deep into TCoS for quite some time, but know that they haven't updated that FAQ in a LOOOOOOOOOOONG time. The FAQ still says they expect to release the game fall 2006 or somethin.
I agree that while DAoC was not my style, it was at the very least more pleasurable in eye candy. However, I can't help feel that EVERYTHING released afterwards, pretty much looks like DAoC?
I found DAoC laughable honestly. It was SO simplistic, I thought I was playing a 10 year olds game.
I'm rather old, (at least to be obsessed with games), but have been gaming since the Commodore 64 days! So, when PC's FINALLY got video cards and started pumping out releases, I was happy. And was there every step. But it seems in the past 5 years, it has been all RUSHED garbage, in ALL genre's.
Heck even RTS's are kinda lame. AOE3 was...ok.. and COH was and still is...eh. Post Starcraft, Armada etc.
I'm going to have to look at AoC, but it looks like it is just possibly another pump and dump. (stock investors know what I am talking about here). Pump it up, when reality sets in, be gone before everyone else does. IN gaming, everyone will get real excited about it, then when they beta it, they will realize it is just the same thing as DAoC with altered graphics and some of the logisitics.
Heck I would be happy with a revamp of AC with new graphics and an expanded quest system. The economy in that game was GREAT. People setup tradebots and at times, when you picked up that new piece of armor/weapon etc, you were very happy to have your virtual goody.
Anyway. I'll check out some of the things mentioned.
BTW LOTR >IS< (without me going into things) just another 'move 10 feet kill this, move another complete quest' type of DAoC knock off. It is NO different. The ONLY people that will play this are people that watched LOTR way too many times.
Oh well, back to the drawing board. I shall await the next big epic and hopefully something with complexitiy and FUN involved!
I know if given a chance, many are 'ok'. But I shouldn't have to 'force' the issue.
Hey every shooter that comes out is better than the last , for me.
Flight sim X is far better than the previous in my opinion.
But like I said, every MMORPG I've tried has been BLAH since.
Let's hope the 'next' one will be ..at least OK.
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Just because the game sucks for you, doesn't mean it sucks for everyone else. Everyone has their own taste. If you went by this website, Eve should be the one with over 8 million subscribers, but they are not. Eve has less than 200k subscribers. According to the members here, WoW has to be the worst game ever, right? Well, 8 million people can't be wrong. If you add in all the people that have cancelled, Blizzard has probably sold over 50,000,000 copies of the game. (Guessing of course)
I don't know what walk of life you come from. You could be brain surgeon or high school drop, I don't care. At least give these development companies a break. People spents 100s of millions of dollars developing and maintaining these titles. To come here and say that they all suck is just ignorant.
Fear not fanbois, we are not trolls, let's take off your tin foil hat and learn what VAPORWARE is:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vaporware
"Vaporware is a term used to describe a software or hardware product that is announced by a developer well in advance of release, but which then fails to emerge after having well exceeded the period of development time that was initially claimed or would normally be expected for the development cycle of a similar product."
TRUE DAT!
WoW was the 'mainstream' push for MANY people to get involved in MMORPG's. I can't tell you how many people I talked to that talked about WoW because, everyone else is talking about WoW. It could be staring at poo online, and if everyone talks about it - it will probably have more people jumping onboard to stare at poo also.
You can call me names all you wish. I know for a fact that if I created an application that, kinda worked and kinda did what it said it was going to do, well I would get sued and would probably have to fix my product AND give money back.
There are too many business people getting involved in the gaming world. It's a huge business but it wasn't always business. That's what made it so wondeful but like I said, when you put out poo on a stick and expect people to love it , well it's obviously going to be a flop unless it has a huge hype like WoW did.
Don't get me wrong, Wow is not bad at all. It has short comings that I can not understand for the life of me why they left them hang like that, but there are some really fun poitns to this game for many. I personally just don't like it because it just reminds me too much of EQ believe it or not, and after playing AC and then jumping to EQ to see what it was all about, I couldn't believe that EQ outsold AC by 10:1. It's elementary at best.
Like I said, sling names all you want. You are obviously that type of person. I didn't personally attack you did I?
I feel bad for many of the devs of these games. They work real hard then have their baby ruined by the business folks that push them to release the product.
I'm still waiting for the open source MMORPG to come out.
As far as me not finding anything because of it being my 1st MMORPG and all others fall short? I really don't believe this. I have found many games of the different genre's that I play, rather exciting and FAR better than their predecesors.
I think that anyone that has been gaming for more than a few years, especially those playing for about 7 or 8 years could easily see the difference in the games released. How many are actually on par with being mostly bug free? I can count on ONE HAND all the games I have played or tried that fall into this category. That's sad considering I have probably tried hundreds in that amount of time.
I don't have time in life to play around with mediority. Seriously...who does? Unless you have no life and game 8 hours a day, does anyone not agree that playing disappointing games feels like a huge waste?
Sorry if I ruffle some feathers here, but most of the games of this genre just purely suck. This is my opinion and is not a person cut on your person. You have what you like, and I have what I like. I personally just like something a bit more complicated and less, 'click and watch animation'. That's what TV is for. I guess there is the WOW I am playing with lotsa people , like someone else in here said. But, you are going to see MANY folks looking for something after WoW...and they are all going to say the same thing I am saying here if these game companies don't step it up a notch or three.
Also, chronicles of spellborn seems...ok why so much hype? I noticed it mentioned European launch first...where is this being made?
You're not alone but I don't agree. Have fun being bitter.
Depends on what is most important to you, if it is this fear/loss mechanic and complexity then yeah you should be supporting EVE. It fits the bill perfectly.
Myself, and other beside I suppose, don't enjoy losing things and fearing to lose them because what it actually means in the end repeating whatever we did the first time to regain it. If that is an easy thing, it isn't much trouble, and we wouldn't fear to lose the item anyway. If it was tedious or unpleasant, having to do it twice doesn't make it more fun.
So yes, a majority of the players are the people renouned for loving "grinding, farming and ebaying".
I don't feel like repeating myself, so feel free to check the "Jaded gamers" thread that i created. It covers that subject of yours from top to bottom, even to a point where the flaming that went on ended up in a hand shake to close the thread
Here's the link: http://www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/thread/112451/page/1
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