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RAM - how much is enough?

fonerootfoneroot Member Posts: 6
in Vanguard: Saga of Heroes
I currently have 2 gigs of RAM. Would adding another gig increase performance at all? I also own a 7900GT and have the ability for SLI. Would that be a better choice over RAM? I know Vanguard at the moment isn't optimized but I'm talking for future sake.

Thanks.

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  • theanimedudetheanimedude Member UncommonPosts: 1,610

    As a note on the SLI part, the SLI doesn't do anything for you unless you have a second video card of the EXACT, and I don't use that word lightly, the EXACT same model video card.

    However, from what I have been hearing, I don't think it would make that much of a difference. More RAM is always nice to have, but as long as your video card is sitting at around 256mb, it should be perfectly ok with 2 gigs behind it.

    The only thing you should be careful is processing speed. I heard tell that there is a serious need for processing speed, and if you fall too low, you feel it hard.

    Hope that helps a bit.

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  • wrkeechwrkeech Member UncommonPosts: 116
    Originally posted by foneroot

    I currently have 2 gigs of RAM. Would adding another gig increase performance at all? I also own a 7900GT and have the ability for SLI. Would that be a better choice over RAM? I know Vanguard at the moment isn't optimized but I'm talking for future sake.

    Thanks.
    Nvidia's SLI and ATI's Crossfire are not currently supported in VG.  That's CURRENTLY mind you.



    XP maxes out at 4 Gig of RAM.  Beyond that its a waste of money.



    The difference between 2 and 3 gig will not  be that noticeable because of your video card.  I am assuming that your 7900GT is a PCI Express X16 card with 256 MB of GDDR3 RAM.
  • swede2swede2 Member Posts: 975

     

    Nope 2 gigs is all you want , Windows xp only supports 2gigs and even though your motherboard says it supports 4 it will actually run slower on more than 2, check out any top of the line gaming computer they all have 2 gigs even the current champ the Area 51 7500

    Edit  Dont you think that if Alienware could stuff 4 gigs into thier  computers and make it run faster than 2 they would and charge you 400 $ more there's a good reason that they dont nothing supports it , so it runs slower

  • DefogDefog Member CommonPosts: 9
    I'd say 2 gigs is enough for every game out there for now. Assuming it isn't SDRAM or anything or course :) I'm pretty sure you'd get a bigger upgrade in performance by getting a new graphics card or a new processor. If you have n+1 applications running on background while you play, then you should probably consider buying that RAM though :)
  • wrkeechwrkeech Member UncommonPosts: 116
    Operating systems based on Microsoft Windows NT technologies have always provided applications with a flat 32-bit virtual address space that describes 4 gigabytes (GB) of virtual memory. The address space is usually split so that 2 GB of address space is directly accessible to the application and the other 2 GB is only accessible to the Windows executive software.



    The 32-bit versions of the Windows 2000 Advanced Server and Windows NT Server 4.0, Enterprise Edition, operating systems were the first versions of Windows to provide applications with a 3-GB flat virtual address space, with the kernel and executive components using only 1 GB. In response to customer requests, Microsoft has expanded the availability of this support to the 32-bit version of Windows XP Professional and all 32-bit versions of Windows Server 2003.



    Taken from www.microsoft.com/whdc/system/platform/server/PAE/PAEmem.mspx
  • swede2swede2 Member Posts: 975
    There talking about servers there Wrkeech not gaming computers there totaly different machine's and its 3GB of virtual memory which is on your hard drive and has nothing to do with stuffing your motherboard full of ram
  • FU2ACFU2AC Member Posts: 28
    Originally posted by swede2

    There talking about servers there Wrkeech not gaming computers there totaly different machine's and its 3GB of virtual memory which is on your hard drive and has nothing to do with stuffing your motherboard full of ram
    WOW, Swede2... you really have no idea what your talking about do you?
  • wrkeechwrkeech Member UncommonPosts: 116
    Ok... before this turns ugly... let me clarify.  In the article I cited it explains the basic operation of memory management as it pertains to both servers OS's and desktops OS's, but it doesn't stop there,  if you follow another link from that article you will eventually find your way into the Platform SDK document. msdn2.microsoft.com/en-us/library/aa366778.aspx  This is where the physical limits of an OS are documented.  I guess in hindsite, I should have just linked to the final document... but without an understanding of how memory management works... it wouldn't make much sense.



    So in a nutshell... XP will not support more than 4Gig of Physical RAM in 32bit mode.  And anything beyond 2Gig of RAM does not return enough performance to justify the additional overhead needed to manage it. (As it pertains to gaming today, VISTA might change all that.)



    So FU2AC... I'd take a moment and remove your foot from your mouth.  Swede2 did have a point about that article.  On the surface... it DOES cover virtual memory in server based OS's.



    BTW... Alienware DOES offer a 4Gig upgrade to its gaming systems.
  • BlurrBlurr Member UncommonPosts: 2,155

    2 gigs of ram.

    No SLI support yet.

    "Because it's easier to nitpick something than to be constructive." -roach5000

  • RedRabRedRab Member UncommonPosts: 280

    Originally posted by wrkeech
    Ok... before this turns ugly... let me clarify. In the article I cited it explains the basic operation of memory management as it pertains to both servers OS's and desktops OS's, but it doesn't stop there, if you follow another link from that article you will eventually find your way into the Platform SDK document. msdn2.microsoft.com/en-us/library/aa366778.aspx This is where the physical limits of an OS are documented. I guess in hindsite, I should have just linked to the final document... but without an understanding of how memory management works... it wouldn't make much sense.

    So in a nutshell... XP will not support more than 4Gig of Physical RAM in 32bit mode. And anything beyond 2Gig of RAM does not return enough performance to justify the additional overhead needed to manage it. (As it pertains to gaming today, VISTA might change all that.)

    So FU2AC... I'd take a moment and remove your foot from your mouth. Swede2 did have a point about that article. On the surface... it DOES cover virtual memory in server based OS's.

    BTW... Alienware DOES offer a 4Gig upgrade to its gaming systems.

    As I understand it Vanguard is not a 3GB-aware application, nor indeed any other game as yet. Are there any on the horizon? So even if using the /3G switch in Windows XP Professioal SP2 more than 2GB is overkill for gaming currently. Am I correct in this?

    *edit for typo

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  • terrifiedterrified Member Posts: 143
    Originally posted by foneroot

    I currently have 2 gigs of RAM. Would adding another gig increase performance at all? I also own a 7900GT and have the ability for SLI. Would that be a better choice over RAM? I know Vanguard at the moment isn't optimized but I'm talking for future sake.

    Thanks.
    your going to want at least 20 gigs of ram if not 40 :)

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  • swede2swede2 Member Posts: 975
    Originally posted by FU2AC

    Originally posted by swede2

    There talking about servers there Wrkeech not gaming computers there totaly different machine's and its 3GB of virtual memory which is on your hard drive and has nothing to do with stuffing your motherboard full of ram
    WOW, Swede2... you really have no idea what your talking about do you?



    Well i just built a 4000 computer plus a new monitor dell 24 inch i might even get it today and so all chat my guys up about this but no am not the most computer savvy guy around put i can afford any computer i want i told them guys build the best you can without been stupid about  it , but am like any gamer and i wanted 4 gigs in there and they said nope where not doing it that nothing supports it , there pretty good guys

    my last comp something went wrong with the motherboard i took it back and they replaced the board , upgraded my cpu a tiny bit and throw in 1 gig of ram free lol.  I give them lots of business everyone in my family has there own desk top plus 2 laptops lol they love me

  • wrkeechwrkeech Member UncommonPosts: 116
    Originally posted by RedRab


     




    As I understand it Vanguard is not a 3GB-aware application, nor indeed any other game as yet. Are there any on the horizon? So even if using the /3G switch in Windows XP Professioal SP2 more than 2GB is overkill for gaming currently. Am I correct in this?

    *edit for typo

    You are correct.  There is nothing in gaming that takes advantage of the /3G switch.  I mostly see it used in CAD heavy environments.
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