I have a Core 2 PC, 2gig of ram and a ATI 1600xp Pro 512mb graphics card, This game is no where near as good as SWG was or even close to EQ2. The Graphics look horriable am I doing something wrong? I'm on Balanced the game lags and the graphics are such a let down. maybe my settings are bad please respond if you had this problem also. Thanks Ajax
Am running a AMD 64 3200 , 2 gigs of ram and a X850xt and i run on highest quality settings with shadows turned down and clouds turned off and its stunning how beautiful the game is might be the dell 24 inch wide screen though it really made a lot of difference , i lag a little in city's at time but nothing major
Check the sticky with the vgclient.ini tweaks. It really helps a lot. In some cases the soundcard makes a lot of difference too. Check the fps (CTRL+P for fps) with sound on low quality or even off. If it is a huge difference, you need to update those drivers or if you have an onboard sound device buy a real soundcard .
My computer is A64 3000+, 1Gb ram, nvidia 6800GT 128mb and a crappy onboard sounddevice and I can run the game with 20-25 fps. If it is really busy in a town it drops sometimes down to 15-20fps. I need to upgrade the memory to 2Gb to have less loading times.
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And to some of the haters here in this thread. Have any opinion you want, but please stay on topic. I wish there was a moderator on this board who would say that. Hijacking every thread to spread your hate about a game is very antisocial. Strangely enough I see this behaviour in every gameforum on this website.
Hmm once again GROW UP!! report me again? I dont have so much free time on my hand like you. And once again kudos for derailing another thread where someone was asking for help. You are a genius.
I think you learned nothing from your last ban. And hey i am still waiting for your 12k 3d mark score. I hope i get to see it before i get banned.
Hmm once again GROW UP!! report me again? I dont have so much free time on my hand like you. And once again kudos for derailing another thread where someone was asking for help. You are a genius.
I think you learned nothing from your last ban. And hey i am still waiting for your 12k 3d mark score. I hope i get to see it before i get banned.
What ban? I was playing! Firstly, 12K in 3DMark with a Geforce 8800 GTX and a Core2Duo is not some kind of miracle like you seem to think it is. I guess you're just used to your slow PC is all. Go look on any tech sites. Secondly, Im not the one name calling in every single post or derailing this thread. I simply commented that the Graphics card in question was not very good. I hope you take some of your own advice TBH.
Guess I'll have to wait for the 8800 to come down in price before I can try Vanguard.
You dont have to. Medoicre vidcards can play VSoH on balanced settings - no probls. VSoH is definitely pushing the hardware limits, but in no way does it require a high end card.
I think overzealos reporting of users (especialy without ground) is against MMORPG rules. And I think those 2 reports you did (if you did report) are without ground. If course, only admins decide which is appropriate and which is not.
i played the beta since beta 3, and i was dissappointed in the game. the game engine performance was shoddy although i have a high end pc, sound was alright to some degree, although generic for the most part, animations were stiff, boring, and otherwise uninspiring especially in combat, swing, swing, clunk, parry, dodge bleh! I stayed til the last beta, but overall i wasnt happy in the bugs, hell in fact at one time I fell through the terrain and had to contact a GM lol. i tried logging, came back and I was still in space under the ground lol. Couldnt stop laughing, was funny. there was runtime errors i saw, and had to report, there were several sound bugs i came across, as well as few crash issues in combination of gamestopping bugs that stopped me from completing quests.
this is a finished product? please lets be real with ourselves. and whoever said 80-85% is a finished product, you need to catch midnight train to reality bub. 95%+/- is more or less tolerable as far as stability, bugs, errors, and overal all initial performance tweaking to the engine for when it launches. I think we have gotten latent on our standards of what we will allow. Developers are lazy and throw out games not so much that they feel they should but they are forced by these stupid investors who have no idea how the industry works. the end up losing money rather than making it because they rushed a product out. Now I wont deny the game can be great given a bit of work, balancing, and otherwise fixing of certain issues small and big. its definitely niche for the mere fact of its hardware requirements, but the graphics you get for the requirments dont meet head to head, your not getting your "moneys worth" as far as performance to graphical visual appeal ratio. if there is even a term which I just made up but u get the idea.
I thinkn the game is far from finished, I wont be buying it anytime soon, for the mere fact I for one am tired of "fantasy " games There needs to be a good scifi MMO which complements or reinvigorates the genre. I dont really think vanguard right now has alot going for it, myabe 3-6 months down the line i will agree itll be better, better performance, better gameplay, better questing, better lore, who is to know? but I know now, that the release of this game in its current state is not a wise choice. I for one will let you guys who love this game unconditionally, pay to bug test it for me, so when I actually decide to get it, I am actually getting my moneys worth. (hopefully) but in any event, the future is uncertain for now, nothing can be made of what will happen til we get a month or 2 into game, I hope some of you will continue to update on the game and how it is going, good or bad. have fun, good luck, and Ill cya on the flipside.
3.4ghz Phenom II X4 965, 8GB PC12800 DDR3 GSKILL, EVGA 560GTX 2GB OC, 640GB HD SATA II, BFG 1000WATT PSU. MSI NF980-G65 TRI-SLI MOBO.
You could get a new video card, but it won't change the fact that the game sucks.
go away we don't need you here
I know I'm most needed where I'm most hated. Apparently, so does Thisgamesux. lol
With a heavy heart and a twinkle in my eye---actually, just a twinkle in my eye---I must tell all of you Vanguard fans a secret. If I loved you my next statements would be called hard love. But, I don't even know you so this is just going to be hard.
When what's-his-name McQuaid, the "visionary" developer of Vanguard announced that the game should not have been released for another year because it wasn't finished, but it was being released any way as his company had run out of funding, your radar screen should have lit up. At that point (if not long before because the clues being dropped in interviews and in the Vanguard forum were large as billboards) you should have known that Vanguard would suck massively, and would be following the World of Warcraft income model to the letter!
WTF is the WoW model, you freakin' troll??
Simply explained, the WoW model goes like this: sucker a large group of adherents to expect something amazing during the development process. Get them cheering so loudly that anything negative about the game can't possibly be heard. Then, once you have the game runnning so it doesn't crash every two minutes, go gold, and spend the next year finishing the game while your sucker fan base plays it and pays for playing what is essentially an alpha with a new coat of paint on it.
What's-his-name McQuaid improved on the WoW model when he made his public statement about the game needing another year to be completed but because there was no more funding it had to be released as is. Many Vanguard fans banged their keyboards upon reading that and shouted "my god, he's honest!" Unfortunately, the opposite is true. Releasing the game early was the plan from the beginning. Crying and lamenting the move was just BS, grease on the floor to make sliding this pos game into the hands of the fan base more easy.
This can only happen in MMORPG development. In other businesses you cannot claim that a product is ready and then get people to buy it even though it doesn't work so you can start making money while you finish developing it. You cannot get investors in other businesses, with such a dishonest plan. Amazing!
I've had my own suspicions regarding Sigil's business tactics.
I personally believe they allowed MANY bugs to make their way to the open beta. Two reasons I believe this to be a tactical business decision:
1) Gives the development team the ability to make it look as though they were working like dogs all the time. Those of us who were in beta before the open session can definitely tell you, they were not nearly as adamant about fixing problems and such awhile back. 1 big patch a week, and if you're problem wasn't addressed in that patch, well, better luck next week.
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2) Discredit the naysayers. What better way to completely undermine all the negative publicity and criticism on various forums, than to make it appear as if it was all unfounded and sheer nonsense? I can't think of any way to make the beta testers who broke the NDA to discredit the game look worse, than by making it appear as though all their claims were completely unfounded.
Granted, this is my opinion. I for one think if Sigil and McQuaid were intelligent enough to use this marketing strategy, that they deserve a pat on the back and a firm handshake,
Just my 2 cents.
Waiting for something fresh to arrive on the MMO scene...
I think part of the problem is probably unrealistic expectations for launch. I think alot of gamers today are chronologically immature and have not had as much experience with initial launches. Games are usually not 100% market ready at launch, and really they are never 100% finished... It's the very nature of these games to go through constant development and redevelopment over time. Comparing a new game to one that has been around for years, through many permutations is illogical, apples and oranges... Invest some time, patience and yes even some $, and you just might get a worthwhile return on your investments. Then again, you might get a SWG, but let's all hope not!
It sounds like the problem is more with the devs and lazy/bad programming, if they launch a game (A Niche Game at best) that requires most of its potential subscribers to upgrade video at very least and from what i've seen perhaps even their entire machine, isn't going to get the sort of following they need to make a profit.
Seems to me if Sigil had put more care into the Gfx side of the game so that most 'average' machines could play reasonably well they would have a better uptake and better feedback on the game.
Btw. I was in the closed beta and thought the game did have promise, but decided to hold off buying until the game has been out a couple of months until the game and hopefully the community has settled down a tad. (Because from what I can see of the community in Vanguard atm its no better and in some ways worse than WoW's), the best communities i've been involved with were Daoc (Pre TOA) and don't laugh Horizons (The game had and still does have lots of problems but the in game community was one of the best).
I only have about 30 hours into the game post-beta, but i have to say, it IS a different world from beta.
Iam running it on a modest second computer right now, amd3800+ with 2 gigs ram and an x700 256 card...and the game runs fine on balanced.
I see mobs falling'below the world' during combat sometimes, but heck that happens in 6 year old content in eq also...I can get over taking 2 steps to make them reappear for the first week in the game...
I wasn't going to buy Vanguard after the beta hassles, it seemed things were taking too long to get resolved and that they were on a path that would mean a complete failure upon release.
I was wrong, it's great now, apart from minor hiccups and it blends the elements of some of my favorite games very nicely.
Is it 'next gen'? <shrug>. i think its more like "best of" taking elements from SWG, DAOC and eq1 and tossing them in a blender with some odds and ends to come up with a nice composite of playstyle and some great fun
I'm glad i gave it the time, I'm enjoying myself and that IS the point.
You could get a new video card, but it won't change the fact that the game sucks.
Report to WoW immediately. Thank you!
Ahh didn't take long for someone to pull the WoW card! Sorry, don't play WoW either, even though it is much better than Vanguard will ever hope to be. I prefer quality games.
OK
You don't play WOW and you don't play Vanguard. You're trolling MMORPG forums claiming you only play quality games?? I guarantee that any MMORPG on the list here was far more crappy at release/first year than Vanguard will be. It's a little laggy and buggy right now but so was WOW at day one (hell, most people sat and waited to subscribe on day one), EQ2 was a mess, Anarchy Online Bombed, and even games like DAOC which were rumoured to have a great launch were barren of many features that came later. Jeez, get off your moral "quality" high-horse. All these games "sux" at release and all of them release too early. Pick one and go play instead of naming yourself something stupid and trolling boards thinking your witty.
I know I'm most needed where I'm most hated. Apparently, so does Thisgamesux. lol With a heavy heart and a twinkle in my eye---actually, just a twinkle in my eye---I must tell all of you Vanguard fans a secret. If I loved you my next statements would be called hard love. But, I don't even know you so this is just going to be hard. When what's-his-name McQuaid, the "visionary" developer of Vanguard announced that the game should not have been released for another year because it wasn't finished, but it was being released any way as his company had run out of funding, your radar screen should have lit up. At that point (if not long before because the clues being dropped in interviews and in the Vanguard forum were large as billboards) you should have known that Vanguard would suck massively, and would be following the World of Warcraft income model to the letter! WTF is the WoW model, you freakin' troll?? Simply explained, the WoW model goes like this: sucker a large group of adherents to expect something amazing during the development process. Get them cheering so loudly that anything negative about the game can't possibly be heard. Then, once you have the game runnning so it doesn't crash every two minutes, go gold, and spend the next year finishing the game while your sucker fan base plays it and pays for playing what is essentially an alpha with a new coat of paint on it. What's-his-name McQuaid improved on the WoW model when he made his public statement about the game needing another year to be completed but because there was no more funding it had to be released as is. Many Vanguard fans banged their keyboards upon reading that and shouted "my god, he's honest!" Unfortunately, the opposite is true. Releasing the game early was the plan from the beginning. Crying and lamenting the move was just BS, grease on the floor to make sliding this pos game into the hands of the fan base more easy. This can only happen in MMORPG development. In other businesses you cannot claim that a product is ready and then get people to buy it even though it doesn't work so you can start making money while you finish developing it. You cannot get investors in other businesses, with such a dishonest plan. Amazing!
I've had my own suspicions regarding Sigil's business tactics.
I personally believe they allowed MANY bugs to make their way to the open beta. Two reasons I believe this to be a tactical business decision:
1) Gives the development team the ability to make it look as though they were working like dogs all the time. Those of us who were in beta before the open session can definitely tell you, they were not nearly as adamant about fixing problems and such awhile back. 1 big patch a week, and if you're problem wasn't addressed in that patch, well, better luck next week.
Isnt that a little too extreme? I think its more profitable to make a good product and then in time make it great product rather then make a bad product but quickly turn it into a good one. A lot of people are turned off by the amount of bugs atm, if VSoH was released 1-2 months later, then theyd get more subscribers then they have now.
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2) Discredit the naysayers. What better way to completely undermine all the negative publicity and criticism on various forums, than to make it appear as if it was all unfounded and sheer nonsense? I can't think of any way to make the beta testers who broke the NDA to discredit the game look worse, than by making it appear as though all their claims were completely unfounded.
Granted, this is my opinion. I for one think if Sigil and McQuaid were intelligent enough to use this marketing strategy, that they deserve a pat on the back and a firm handshake,
Just my 2 cents.
Does it realy matter what was? What realy matters is what is right now. The game has bugs, just a few critical ones, most of them are cosmetic. If the game was still buggy and unplayable, then no matter how fast their development is, people woouldnt have played ite (D&L is an extreme example). I wish VSoH was as polished as WoW at the release (minus the server instability of course), but its not as bad as D&L or Horizons at release.
Lucky bastard I cannot even log in. I also wanna smell and taste the suckiness !!!
$OE lies list http://www.rlmmo.com/viewtopic.php?t=424&start=0 " And I don't want to hear anything about "I don't believe in vampires" because *I* don't believe in vampires, but I believe in my own two eyes, and what *I* saw is ******* vampires! "
I only have about 30 hours into the game post-beta, but i have to say, it IS a different world from beta. Iam running it on a modest second computer right now, amd3800+ with 2 gigs ram and an x700 256 card...and the game runs fine on balanced. I see mobs falling'below the world' during combat sometimes, but heck that happens in 6 year old content in eq also...I can get over taking 2 steps to make them reappear for the first week in the game... I wasn't going to buy Vanguard after the beta hassles, it seemed things were taking too long to get resolved and that they were on a path that would mean a complete failure upon release. I was wrong, it's great now, apart from minor hiccups and it blends the elements of some of my favorite games very nicely. Is it 'next gen'? <shrug>. i think its more like "best of" taking elements from SWG, DAOC and eq1 and tossing them in a blender with some odds and ends to come up with a nice composite of playstyle and some great fun I'm glad i gave it the time, I'm enjoying myself and that IS the point.
I completely agree. I came in from beta 3 and I thought performance was horrid but after a 3-4 hour session last night, I was pleasantly surprised with the lack of MAJOR problems. It was relatively smooth. The only glitches I encountered were a couple of mobs "disappearing" and i believe that's the infamous falling through the world glitch. I chuckled, shrugged and moved to the next mob. I can't wait to try crafting and diplomacy tonight. I'm glad I took the chance and bought it.
Unfortunately as the games progress, there will always be a time when you MUST upgrade your video card. Now this is an ingnorant statement. This is the equivalent to comming to the conclusion that all black people are pick pockets because their black. <--What relevence is that to anything in this post? ever must. We could instead concentrate on advancing the gameplay and let hte enginerds rest a bit. And you would then be the same person that would say, This is a really great game but, the graphics suck. Seriously the only reason that graphics cards get better is because their profitable, not because there is a dammand for them, since this is a luxury item, but for other reasons. This is a poor reply from anyone. If you obviously don't realize that you at some time have to improve your hardware then put your monster card back in and go back to playing quake or duke. because you don't deserve to play an mmo. The graphics cards being a luxury item is the same as saying, don't play these games, there only a luxury item. Its all luxury. The matter of this post at all was a reply on what to do to improve his experience in this game. If someone wants to attempt to play any game and they like the gameplay then they may have to change some of there hardware to accomodate. If they feel they don't want to change there hardware on occasion then playing the newest games that USE the hardware is sometimes not possible while keeping it enjoyable. Now again in regards to the original post! As others have said, you may want to upgrade your video card that can handle more of the work that is being requested from the game. There are always tweaks that can be done within the .ini and on your system to verify most of your resources are going toward running the game and not other things but, also as mentioned, some of these settings would be nice to tweak within game or have it detect it. No game is perfect, especially in todays standards. Good luck on improving your performance. If this isn't acceptable to some then, don't play the latest games.
I think part of the problem is probably unrealistic expectations for launch. I think alot of gamers today are chronologically immature and have not had as much experience with initial launches. Games are usually not 100% market ready at launch, and really they are never 100% finished... It's the very nature of these games to go through constant development and redevelopment over time. Comparing a new game to one that has been around for years, through many permutations is illogical, apples and oranges... Invest some time, patience and yes even some $, and you just might get a worthwhile return on your investments. Then again, you might get a SWG, but let's all hope not!
well said... so many people just don't get it. This will be a great game down the road, it's an unpolished gem at the moment.
People need to understand that the statement that the game really needed another year is completely accurate. Unlike the real cynics here, I appreciate the admission and do not believe it was "the plan all along" to release this game in it's current state.
So, what does this mean for players? If you buy the game and play it now, you are truly paying to play beta. I know it feels like that with most MMORPGs today at launch, but it's literally true here.
This is NOT the game that was supposed to launch. Assuming they make enough off of the pay to play beta testers to continue development at a highly productive rate, sometime in 2008 this may be a great game.
Some people will enjoy this arrangement, will look at the game as one big development beta experience and not mind the mess the game currently is in so many areas.
Most people expect a higher standard from a released game and have no intent to be pay to play beta testers for the next year. Those people should stay away and see where this thing is a year from now.
Fanbois painting this game as something it is not are no helping the game. These uber hyped expectations will just lead to large numbers of angry players who will kill the game completely by negative word of mouth.
I find the game laughably bad on many fronts and not worth my time. A year from now, I'll sign up for the obligatory free trial and see where the game is at that point.
For those who chose to play now, have fun beta testing a mess of a game for the next year. Oh yeah, it will be extra fun because with no official forums you'll be beta testers with out an official outlet for your input and suggestions....
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Am running a AMD 64 3200 , 2 gigs of ram and a X850xt and i run on highest quality settings with shadows turned down and clouds turned off and its stunning how beautiful the game is might be the dell 24 inch wide screen though it really made a lot of difference , i lag a little in city's at time but nothing major
My computer is A64 3000+, 1Gb ram, nvidia 6800GT 128mb and a crappy onboard sounddevice and I can run the game with 20-25 fps. If it is really busy in a town it drops sometimes down to 15-20fps. I need to upgrade the memory to 2Gb to have less loading times.
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And to some of the haters here in this thread. Have any opinion you want, but please stay on topic. I wish there was a moderator on this board who would say that. Hijacking every thread to spread your hate about a game is very antisocial. Strangely enough I see this behaviour in every gameforum on this website.
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PS : Reported - Again
I think you learned nothing from your last ban. And hey i am still waiting for your 12k 3d mark score. I hope i get to see it before i get banned.
What ban? I was playing! Firstly, 12K in 3DMark with a Geforce 8800 GTX and a Core2Duo is not some kind of miracle like you seem to think it is. I guess you're just used to your slow PC is all. Go look on any tech sites. Secondly, Im not the one name calling in every single post or derailing this thread. I simply commented that the Graphics card in question was not very good. I hope you take some of your own advice TBH.
Good Day
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@Sharkypal
I think overzealos reporting of users (especialy without ground) is against MMORPG rules. And I think those 2 reports you did (if you did report) are without ground. If course, only admins decide which is appropriate and which is not.
I am the type of player where I like to do everything and anything from time to time.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holodomor - pre-WW2 genocide.
i played the beta since beta 3, and i was dissappointed in the game. the game engine performance was shoddy although i have a high end pc, sound was alright to some degree, although generic for the most part, animations were stiff, boring, and otherwise uninspiring especially in combat, swing, swing, clunk, parry, dodge bleh!
I stayed til the last beta, but overall i wasnt happy in the bugs, hell in fact at one time I fell through the terrain and had to contact a GM lol. i tried logging, came back and I was still in space under the ground lol. Couldnt stop laughing, was funny. there was runtime errors i saw, and had to report, there were several sound bugs i came across, as well as few crash issues in combination of gamestopping bugs that stopped me from completing quests.
this is a finished product? please lets be real with ourselves. and whoever said 80-85% is a finished product, you need to catch midnight train to reality bub. 95%+/- is more or less tolerable as far as stability, bugs, errors, and overal all initial performance tweaking to the engine for when it launches. I think we have gotten latent on our standards of what we will allow. Developers are lazy and throw out games not so much that they feel they should but they are forced by these stupid investors who have no idea how the industry works. the end up losing money rather than making it because they rushed a product out. Now I wont deny the game can be great given a bit of work, balancing, and otherwise fixing of certain issues small and big. its definitely niche for the mere fact of its hardware requirements, but the graphics you get for the requirments dont meet head to head, your not getting your "moneys worth" as far as performance to graphical visual appeal ratio. if there is even a term which I just made up but u get the idea.
I thinkn the game is far from finished, I wont be buying it anytime soon, for the mere fact I for one am tired of "fantasy " games There needs to be a good scifi MMO which complements or reinvigorates the genre. I dont really think vanguard right now has alot going for it, myabe 3-6 months down the line i will agree itll be better, better performance, better gameplay, better questing, better lore, who is to know? but I know now, that the release of this game in its current state is not a wise choice. I for one will let you guys who love this game unconditionally, pay to bug test it for me, so when I actually decide to get it, I am actually getting my moneys worth.
(hopefully) but in any event, the future is uncertain for now, nothing can be made of what will happen til we get a month or 2 into game, I hope some of you will continue to update on the game and how it is going, good or bad. have fun, good luck, and Ill cya on the flipside.
3.4ghz Phenom II X4 965, 8GB PC12800 DDR3 GSKILL, EVGA 560GTX 2GB OC, 640GB HD SATA II, BFG 1000WATT PSU. MSI NF980-G65 TRI-SLI MOBO.
I know I'm most needed where I'm most hated. Apparently, so does Thisgamesux. lol
With a heavy heart and a twinkle in my eye---actually, just a twinkle in my eye---I must tell all of you Vanguard fans a secret. If I loved you my next statements would be called hard love. But, I don't even know you so this is just going to be hard.
When what's-his-name McQuaid, the "visionary" developer of Vanguard announced that the game should not have been released for another year because it wasn't finished, but it was being released any way as his company had run out of funding, your radar screen should have lit up. At that point (if not long before because the clues being dropped in interviews and in the Vanguard forum were large as billboards) you should have known that Vanguard would suck massively, and would be following the World of Warcraft income model to the letter!
WTF is the WoW model, you freakin' troll??
Simply explained, the WoW model goes like this: sucker a large group of adherents to expect something amazing during the development process. Get them cheering so loudly that anything negative about the game can't possibly be heard. Then, once you have the game runnning so it doesn't crash every two minutes, go gold, and spend the next year finishing the game while your sucker fan base plays it and pays for playing what is essentially an alpha with a new coat of paint on it.
What's-his-name McQuaid improved on the WoW model when he made his public statement about the game needing another year to be completed but because there was no more funding it had to be released as is. Many Vanguard fans banged their keyboards upon reading that and shouted "my god, he's honest!" Unfortunately, the opposite is true. Releasing the game early was the plan from the beginning. Crying and lamenting the move was just BS, grease on the floor to make sliding this pos game into the hands of the fan base more easy.
This can only happen in MMORPG development. In other businesses you cannot claim that a product is ready and then get people to buy it even though it doesn't work so you can start making money while you finish developing it. You cannot get investors in other businesses, with such a dishonest plan. Amazing!
I've had my own suspicions regarding Sigil's business tactics.I personally believe they allowed MANY bugs to make their way to the open beta. Two reasons I believe this to be a tactical business decision:
1) Gives the development team the ability to make it look as though they were working like dogs all the time. Those of us who were in beta before the open session can definitely tell you, they were not nearly as adamant about fixing problems and such awhile back. 1 big patch a week, and if you're problem wasn't addressed in that patch, well, better luck next week.
and
2) Discredit the naysayers. What better way to completely undermine all the negative publicity and criticism on various forums, than to make it appear as if it was all unfounded and sheer nonsense? I can't think of any way to make the beta testers who broke the NDA to discredit the game look worse, than by making it appear as though all their claims were completely unfounded.
Granted, this is my opinion. I for one think if Sigil and McQuaid were intelligent enough to use this marketing strategy, that they deserve a pat on the back and a firm handshake,
Just my 2 cents.
Waiting for something fresh to arrive on the MMO scene...
Seems to me if Sigil had put more care into the Gfx side of the game so that most 'average' machines could play reasonably well they would have a better uptake and better feedback on the game.
Btw. I was in the closed beta and thought the game did have promise, but decided to hold off buying until the game has been out a couple of months until the game and hopefully the community has settled down a tad. (Because from what I can see of the community in Vanguard atm its no better and in some ways worse than WoW's), the best communities i've been involved with were Daoc (Pre TOA) and don't laugh Horizons (The game had and still does have lots of problems but the in game community was one of the best).
I only have about 30 hours into the game post-beta, but i have to say, it IS a different world from beta.
Iam running it on a modest second computer right now, amd3800+ with 2 gigs ram and an x700 256 card...and the game runs fine on balanced.
I see mobs falling'below the world' during combat sometimes, but heck that happens in 6 year old content in eq also...I can get over taking 2 steps to make them reappear for the first week in the game...
I wasn't going to buy Vanguard after the beta hassles, it seemed things were taking too long to get resolved and that they were on a path that would mean a complete failure upon release.
I was wrong, it's great now, apart from minor hiccups and it blends the elements of some of my favorite games very nicely.
Is it 'next gen'? <shrug>. i think its more like "best of" taking elements from SWG, DAOC and eq1 and tossing them in a blender with some odds and ends to come up with a nice composite of playstyle and some great fun
I'm glad i gave it the time, I'm enjoying myself and that IS the point.
Report to WoW immediately. Thank you!
Ahh didn't take long for someone to pull the WoW card! Sorry, don't play WoW either, even though it is much better than Vanguard will ever hope to be. I prefer quality games.
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You don't play WOW and you don't play Vanguard. You're trolling MMORPG forums claiming you only play quality games?? I guarantee that any MMORPG on the list here was far more crappy at release/first year than Vanguard will be. It's a little laggy and buggy right now but so was WOW at day one (hell, most people sat and waited to subscribe on day one), EQ2 was a mess, Anarchy Online Bombed, and even games like DAOC which were rumoured to have a great launch were barren of many features that came later. Jeez, get off your moral "quality" high-horse. All these games "sux" at release and all of them release too early. Pick one and go play instead of naming yourself something stupid and trolling boards thinking your witty.
Game graphics are horrible worse then dnl.
FUNCOM - putting the FUN in disFUNctional !
I personally believe they allowed MANY bugs to make their way to the open beta. Two reasons I believe this to be a tactical business decision:
1) Gives the development team the ability to make it look as though they were working like dogs all the time. Those of us who were in beta before the open session can definitely tell you, they were not nearly as adamant about fixing problems and such awhile back. 1 big patch a week, and if you're problem wasn't addressed in that patch, well, better luck next week.
Isnt that a little too extreme? I think its more profitable to make a good product and then in time make it great product rather then make a bad product but quickly turn it into a good one. A lot of people are turned off by the amount of bugs atm, if VSoH was released 1-2 months later, then theyd get more subscribers then they have now. Does it realy matter what was? What realy matters is what is right now. The game has bugs, just a few critical ones, most of them are cosmetic. If the game was still buggy and unplayable, then no matter how fast their development is, people woouldnt have played ite (D&L is an extreme example). I wish VSoH was as polished as WoW at the release (minus the server instability of course), but its not as bad as D&L or Horizons at release.
I am the type of player where I like to do everything and anything from time to time.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holodomor - pre-WW2 genocide.
I am the type of player where I like to do everything and anything from time to time.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holodomor - pre-WW2 genocide.
$OE lies list
http://www.rlmmo.com/viewtopic.php?t=424&start=0
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And I don't want to hear anything about "I don't believe in vampires" because *I* don't believe in vampires, but I believe in my own two eyes, and what *I* saw is ******* vampires! "
I would not go that far, just don't play Vanguard
http://www.lotro.com/index.php?page_id=104
even the reccomended for LoTRO is a P4 2.8, a x850, and a gig of ram. Minimum is far below that
LOTRO is a pile of ****. Talk about exploiting a license.
Reported for NDA violations.
I almost fell out of my chair laughing at you! Seriously, go back to WoW you troll. (Still laughing at you BTW)
So, what does this mean for players? If you buy the game and play it now, you are truly paying to play beta. I know it feels like that with most MMORPGs today at launch, but it's literally true here.
This is NOT the game that was supposed to launch. Assuming they make enough off of the pay to play beta testers to continue development at a highly productive rate, sometime in 2008 this may be a great game.
Some people will enjoy this arrangement, will look at the game as one big development beta experience and not mind the mess the game currently is in so many areas.
Most people expect a higher standard from a released game and have no intent to be pay to play beta testers for the next year. Those people should stay away and see where this thing is a year from now.
Fanbois painting this game as something it is not are no helping the game. These uber hyped expectations will just lead to large numbers of angry players who will kill the game completely by negative word of mouth.
I find the game laughably bad on many fronts and not worth my time. A year from now, I'll sign up for the obligatory free trial and see where the game is at that point.
For those who chose to play now, have fun beta testing a mess of a game for the next year. Oh yeah, it will be extra fun because with no official forums you'll be beta testers with out an official outlet for your input and suggestions....
Enjoy.
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