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Do you recommend Vanguard?
r1m1k1
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I'm in need of a new MMO to play and this game has been getting a lot of hype. Should i get this game? I love a good character creation system and I do combat a lot. But half of the time I want to be doing something else then combat (questing, mining, wc, enchanting, diplomacy, etc.) Is vanguard the game for me? I like both solid PvP and fun PvE with a good storyline.
Feel free to ask me anymore questions if this description is too vague for you. Thanks in advance.
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Check out the Vanguard forums and make up your mind. There's anough hate and fanboyism there to satisfy anyone.
In my opinion, I would wait at least 6-12 months before diving in. Get a buddy pass or wait until the free trial then make up your own mind.
Never be afraid of choices. More choices are always good things.
Well, I only play 1 MMO at a time. I simply don't have the time on my hands or the cash like some here do.
I play for the long term. Vanguard seems to need a few months to get into full swing. I'm sure it's playable, but for example, pvp doesn't a have a purpose.
Age of Conan is coming out as well.
I think I'll decide which game I'll dedicate myself to after the Conan release.
I'm dying for a new MMO to replace my old one. But I won't just buy anything. I can't afford to spend $50 every 2 months for a release that will probably suck.
So in the meantime, I'll screw around in EVE (I play to pass the time for these releases) until Conan, then I'll choose.
Hopefully Vanguard will be very healthy by then, and I don't think Conan will have an excuse for a crappy game with all the extra time they have to polish it up.
Trust me, I want to buy Vangaurd right now, but I think it's only because it's new......well sort of.
But if you have the money, go for it. Sucks being a poor college student lol.
Retired from WoW
Rebellion - 60 Warlock || Kalaa - 60 Warrior
Littlerebel - 60 Hunter || Albie - 60 Shaman
Played: Erm, a lot more.
When a core feature such as Grouping is working 50% of the time, that's a problem.
Currently, my biggest issue is with PVP:
The last patch just made all the caster less powerfull in PVP. While it' was silly before, now it's a little ridiculous. I went from killing players in 2 or 4 spells to not even denting their health now. Before they were overpowered and that was a problem but now, the damage some classes can deal in PVP is so low that it's becomming a joke.
I used to be able to deal about 300-600 to Crits-1000 damage per spell... obviously, at level 12 when you hit someone for 1000 damage, you're going to kill him but now, i'm doing 90 to 120 damage per spell (crits maybe 150), currently I'm always rrunning out of mana during a one on one PVP fight. I'm overall alot less powerfull as a bloodmage, that doesn't mean i'm gona quit of anything but I hope they think about their balancing technique because at this rate, this is going to get ridiculous in the next few months.
For me this is the biggest problem at the moment since i'm mostly interested in PVP.
There's still a few crash to desktop once in a while and some little bugs here and there but if you can deal with the usual bugs that you find in most MMOs then yes, Vanguard is pretty solid.
I just hope they get smart fast and take their time on balancing this game, it's huge and will require some tweaking. nerfing is not a solution in this case...
I personally recommemd it but agreeing with other ppls advice here, read up on it, it's not as stright forward in it's machanics as you first may think, if you like action type MMOs (like WoW/DAoC) you may not like Vanguard it's more 'living' then 'doing' so to speak...
To sum up, Vanguard leans towards the RPG genre more then the action types, if you want to experence a world then Vanguard is your game, if you just want to club things with weaponary look towards AoC/TCoS/WAR
Bring on the WARRRRGGHH!
It really does nothing new except for diplomacy which IMO is crap anyway.
Same old same old. Wow is better and has less bugs.
Doesn't mean I like wow though
Have you even played Vanguard? Because I'm pretty sure you haven't. The game plays NOTHING like WoW. The GUI is almost exactly the same as WoW. The leveling is much slower in VG, and the world is much larger. VG has more mounts, and flying mounts that aren't restricted to one area. WoW has quicker travel and portals as well as flight paths, which VG doesn't have. VG has more races and classes. And the graphics alone are dramatically different. WoW has lower texture quality and model complexity and can play on about anything, which Vanguard requires a higher-end PC to play well...
To me it sounds like you've either not played these games, or you're one of the dumb-asses who couldn't get past level 20 in WoW and tried the VG beta for 5 minutes then quit because your laptop couldn't run it...
There are better games releasing this year. I recommend giving one of them a try or try to get into one of their betas. The game I'm currently most anticipating so far this year is LOTR:O. I don't think WAR is going to release this year at this point. Though EA:Mythic may surprise me.
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The game is Quest Driven just like wow
the UI is less customizable than WoW and is strikingly similar therefore it is not as good as WoW.
The graphics are pretty and nice, but the drop in the performance is noticed when compared to WoW.
It is an item based system just like WoW.
Yes you can have different mounts whoopdie doo.
This game is a rehash of all the popular MMO's just like wow, but Vanguard managed to release too early when bugs are rampant.
All this game is, is a less cartoony WoW with more items and more grind.
If decreasing the xp rate and adding more shiny baubles for you to collect makes this game way different than WoW, then I guess your correct.
BTW the PvP is just as un-important as WoW.
Not that I car, because I don't play wow, people just need to know that this is like the Grown-ups Wow
Its very difficult to recommend MMORPGS. In all honesty, you have to try it out or find a friend with the game and see if you like it. I played the BETA and didnt like the game at all, but that doesnt mean its a bad game. It was just not what I was looking for.
Another example is LOTRO, I wasnt very interested in the game and how it was setup, then I played the BETA and now have preordered it. The best recommendation is to figure out a way to test the game first.
Starting off... if you are looking for a new game right now...sure come on over and join the fun. If you're mostly happy where you are currently playing, might want to wait until LOTR and AOC beta's come out..so you can try all three before you make up your mind which game you prefer.
But to respond to a few negatives that people posted...
1) Regarding Bloodmages being nerfed (can Shamans, Clerics and Disciples be far behind) its about time. From a PvP perspective its silly for a healer of any type to be dominating the other classes like they have been. Sorry healers...but your job is to heal....other people, you are not solo warriors meant to own all. Now, maybe Sigil has a goal for balance between all classes, (never saw it stated) but in general, healer are support classes, not pvp lords.
2) Regarding Offensive (and all casters) being nerfed....tis true...at launch sorcerers were destroying tanks... Dreadnights were being destroyed before they could even close. Perhaps casters have been nerfed a bit too much, and they'll address that. But I know Sigil wanted fights between level 12's to last longer than a Sorc can cast 3-4 spells, (which is probably like 6 seconds or less) so of course they nerfed. I play a druid, and to win a fight I have to use my melee control spells to root, dot and outrun melee players...while not drawing aggro.. (casters are a different story...generally, he who hits first wins, especially if they hit you while you're clearing a mob
3) Pvp is meaningless. I don't know... its a great cash maker, some of my guild mates have 3 gold now (a decent amount compared to my paltry 30 silver) that they've made mostly from killing other players. (it takes a % of the money the other player is carrying and gives it to you automatically). Their infamy is high as well, and while there' s no real rewards or titles for that yet...there will be. Finally, Pvp is its own reward...you kill other players to see if you can... its the sheer fun of it... (or to prevent being killed, which I also consider a win) True, it doesn't have any impact on the world per se.... I'd say see WAR for that later this year.
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i love vanguard, although i haven't played much yet.
-- The UI is customizable (Settings --> Interface --> Layout Mode) and there are third party modders making UI's for Vanguard just like other MMO's out there ( http://www.vgsohinterface.com )is one site that comes to mind.
-- Vanguard has realistic graphics where as WoW has low quality graphics so that more people can play on low quality machines (Blizzard was more interested in making money then making it look good)
-- It is no where near as dependent on items like WoW. You can place stats how you want to increase your character effectiveness where in WoW was auto done by lvling and by Items. More character customization when u lvl.
I'll agree with you that Vanguard took alot of things from other MMO's but come on, what games no days don't do that? It comes down to how those things interact with the world. Hell even WoW took things from EQ, AO, Ultima... etc.
This game is not a less cartoony version of WoW, its the big brother of EQ2. WoW is not the end all be all MMORPG and you people need to stop comparing everything too it. It was not the first MMORPG on the market so stop acting like it is. 90% of the MMO's out there share game mechanics so you could easily say WoW is a cartoony version of EQ or EQ2.
PVP is not the main focus of Vanguard and they developers have stated that over and over again. Vanguard is RPG and Environment based were people can once again interact with the game world and make an impact on how it changes. It's not a game where you run quest to lvl up to run dungeons to get uber gear to go pvp and kill everyone and say you are "Uber l33t wtfbbqpwning noobs" in a Battleground.
Yes this game is for a more mature player who likes interacting with the game world and other players to have a good RPG experience. If you want to just WTFBBQPWN people then go play WoW. If EQ and EQ2 was your type of game with alot of debth then Vanguard is a good upgrade.
The PvP system is the same kind of poor thing you find in EQ2 for example. It's a jungle for kids. If you want serious PvP like what you can find in Lineage2 you will want to look elsewhere. But if you like ganking you will love it.
On the PvE/RPG side, it's imho the most beautifull and complete MMOPRG to date. Nothing matches it if you put togehter the beauty, the openness and the possibilities. Take the best from all of the current and past MMORPGs and put it together, you get Vanguard.
The game is a long term game. It is not a game, like WOW, that is great in the beginning but gets boring fast. It starts nicely and then grows on you the more you play. It really starts to open up after lvl 15.
There is no other MMORPG with such a seamless, open wold, with so many cities, character starting areas and possibilities. EQ2 is a very poor game compared to VG, with all its zoning and only 2 cities it feels to me like the areas are just some hunting grounds disconnected from the world. VG is completely different; it's a huge, open, connected, faction based world.
I can really recommend you to try it out. As for the Pvp part... well, get yourself a nice guild and some good friends
I've seen no sign of a mature community, just aload of vanbois that flame you when yous ay you don't like something.
And for the record, my english is not the best but I don't go around screaming WTFNOOBBBQPWNZ, i'm a little more educated then that. The Roleplayers uses these terms so often to bash PVPers that today it's other way around, PVPers are usually silent and the rest are screaming to hell and spamming the chats/forums.
Support or not, Vanguard is a great game and I do recommend this game to anyone that is looking for some freedom. Alot of people said, it's not as gear dependant and that is very true. Again, my only issue is the core bugs and PVP odd balancing solution.. If you do not PVP, then it should not affect you but for someone like me that prefers a hostile enviroment, PVP is currently oddly balanced.