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All of SOEs games are becomming or was beautiful disasters.
Solusek
Member Posts: 280
Why does SOE do this to every one of their games? Make the graphics look outstanding yet at the same time have such a poor engine?
Now i find vanguard in itself to be a outstanding game, diplomacy, huge vast world, ownable ships, flying mounts, a diverse selection of classes and races, i can go on and on.
But heres where i set this game apart from WoW and blizzard. You do not need EXTREME awesome graphics to have an outstanding mmorpg. No one cares about WoWs graphics its a beautiful game in its own way, yes cartoony but with the release of TBC blizzard added more realizm with WoW giving it a awesome combination of realistic and cartoony graphics meshed into one. Even with the increased graphics the games preformance never changed. i can still run WoW on MAX settings on my computer whos graphics card is a radeon 9550.
But now WoW has many bad points, the way it can get boring, the repeititvness down too it, the game doesnt hold a match to what vanguard has to offer.
Yet SOE let me down again by making this game SOOOOO taxing to the computer and if you put it on high preformance the graphics look so aweful that i find EQ1 to look better. I dont have the money to upgrade my computer and even if i did upgrade it even a mid upgrade it wouldnt do the trick as some people have been reporting with top computers and getting alot of low FPS and problems.
What iam saying i love what Sigil and SOE had to offer but it isnt fair any more to the person with the mid - low end computer, yea we cant turn it up all the way and get everything vanguard has to offer visually but give us something out of this game, my FPS so far has been from 8 - 10 and ive tried everything except going all the way on high preformance because its just not worth it.
Now i find vanguard in itself to be a outstanding game, diplomacy, huge vast world, ownable ships, flying mounts, a diverse selection of classes and races, i can go on and on.
But heres where i set this game apart from WoW and blizzard. You do not need EXTREME awesome graphics to have an outstanding mmorpg. No one cares about WoWs graphics its a beautiful game in its own way, yes cartoony but with the release of TBC blizzard added more realizm with WoW giving it a awesome combination of realistic and cartoony graphics meshed into one. Even with the increased graphics the games preformance never changed. i can still run WoW on MAX settings on my computer whos graphics card is a radeon 9550.
But now WoW has many bad points, the way it can get boring, the repeititvness down too it, the game doesnt hold a match to what vanguard has to offer.
Yet SOE let me down again by making this game SOOOOO taxing to the computer and if you put it on high preformance the graphics look so aweful that i find EQ1 to look better. I dont have the money to upgrade my computer and even if i did upgrade it even a mid upgrade it wouldnt do the trick as some people have been reporting with top computers and getting alot of low FPS and problems.
What iam saying i love what Sigil and SOE had to offer but it isnt fair any more to the person with the mid - low end computer, yea we cant turn it up all the way and get everything vanguard has to offer visually but give us something out of this game, my FPS so far has been from 8 - 10 and ive tried everything except going all the way on high preformance because its just not worth it.
Im bringin sexy back.
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What bugs me a little is this. That VG has the really high hardware requirements, but when it's cranked up, it still doesn't look that phenomenal imo. For example, we got one rig in this house my kids played Oblivion on, (almost a year ago), we cranked it up and it ran beautifully and looked overwhelming. Then 6 months later (thereabouts) we played Gothic-3 on the same rig. It barely ran, didn't look quite as good as oblivion either. Then another 6 months and VG looks less impressive than Oblvion and G3 and runs worse?
I think these people should license Bethesda's engine, (oblivion etc), and use that to create the next big MMO. OR maybe even the HL2 engine would do better (ala Dark Messiah)..... This UT engine is great for shooters where maps are not that big, but with big landscapes and lots of toons running around, it seems to be stressing out too easily for the benefit obtained.
Yes exactly even my old outdated 9550 can get the most out of oblivion granted some tweaks are involved but not as much as i had to tweak vanguard and still my FPS remains at 8-10. I just dont understand and this is happening to SOE games only. Why i call this game a SOE game because i think they fooled every one. SOE had a huge involement with this game they just did the smart thing and had another company join them and put their name on it.
Such a awesome game but honestly what a waste of 50$
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yeah, doesn't matter how pretty a game is if it runs like crap on all but the most epic of super computers...
what dissapointed me about Vanguard was the complete and total lack of orginality in the game's look. Yeah, it's got nice lighting effects and highly detailed models, it's "pretty" but from what I have seen (must admit was only every races starting zone) was that they didn't offer anything new.
it's called "art direction"
a forest or field in Vanguard looks the same as a forest or field in any other game that has a forest or field in it
nothing original, nothin truely artistic
In response to referencing WoW and Blizzard as the OP did, WoW may have lower polygon count, but it can be run on max setting much easier, and looks absolutely amazing. why absolutely amazing? because every zone, every instance, every area has it's own unique feel...
the trees the sky the water the road the stone the grass the .......... is all unique. it's called art direction. blizzard did it 100% right, thus far, no one else has come even close.
Don't leave Sigil out of the picture. Blame the Sigil. SOE didn't have any involvement in the initial stages of this game. They only recently came into the picture.
Not only that, but Sigil is to blame for not having official forums. I think this is a horrible idea. It makes it all too easy for the devs to live in a SWG-esque dream world where they think the game is great because they aren't hearing the feedback from people who are playing the game everyday.
Sure spreading the community out makes it easier for them to put out fires and to have certain problems in dark corners where the rest of the community doesn't know about it, but that in itself speaks volumes about how Sigil will be running this game.
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WTH does SOE have to do with the graphics in this game???
Are you aware that SOE did NOT design this game?
Didn't think so.
Just another "I hate SOE" kneejerk reaction, even though they had nothing to do with any of your complaints.
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The game is awesome, it's not going to die, and it looks beautiful. They were going for a more realistic and traditional art style, and I prefer that.
Solusek you are a fool. Sigil, not SOE, let you down. Tag dig sammen, as we would say in danish.
Useless post. SOE has nothing to do with Vanguard graphics.
No one is denying the awesomeness of which vnaguard has to offer and no doubt it looks beautiful but what i dont understand WoW/oblivion/Half-life 2/ and even EQ2 look just as good but are no where as near having the preformance trouble that vanguard is having.
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it's the difference between offering a thousand shiny things that serve no purpose
or
offering a handful of slighty tarnished yet incredibly versatile and useful things
....
deep, quality, polished content/visuals/gameplay
or
boat loads of half complete, generic content/visuals/gameplay (and then taking the extra step to label it "hardcore" to try and draw in a different crowd....
....
I'm going to be SO suprised if this game breaks 1 million subscribers and last to a first major expansion
Im bringin sexy back.
it's the difference between offering a thousand shiny things that serve no purpose
or
offering a handful of slighty tarnished yet incredibly versatile and useful things
....
deep, quality, polished content/visuals/gameplay
or
boat loads of half complete, generic content/visuals/gameplay (and then taking the extra step to label it "hardcore" to try and draw in a different crowd....
....
I'm going to be SO suprised if this game breaks 1 million subscribers and last to a first major expansion
Gotcha!
Almost 1000 ratings... still 8.3
I guess performance is not that big of a problem.
eqnext.wikia.com
Ive raited games a 10 on here that ive never played just because i wanted it to beat out a certain game i disliked.
Raitings = nothing.
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Ive raited games a 10 on here that ive never played just because i wanted it to beat out a certain game i disliked.
Raitings = nothing.
And i rated it 1. See the pattern?
There is legit reviews in there...
eqnext.wikia.com
Ive raited games a 10 on here that ive never played just because i wanted it to beat out a certain game i disliked.
Raitings = nothing.
And i rated it 1. See the pattern?
There is legit reviews in there...
Come on man, out of 1000 reviews, you cant even believe that half are legit. Fans may know games, but they are no pro critics that can judge a game on an unbiased level whether its good or not.
I wouldint even claim 500 people rated it fairly.
Ive raited games a 10 on here that ive never played just because i wanted it to beat out a certain game i disliked.
Raitings = nothing.
And i rated it 1. See the pattern?
There is legit reviews in there...
Yea and all three Guild wars were all holding the top 3 spots one time also, and so was EVE..just cause a game is rated #1 on mmorpg.com doesnt mean it doesnt have problems lets take the game with the most population and have them vote what mmorpg is the best hmm..guess which that one would be and im sure youd disagree with it.
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That's because you don't understand computer processing and graphics.No one is denying the awesomeness of which vnaguard has to offer and no doubt it looks beautiful but what i dont understand WoW/oblivion/Half-life 2/ and even EQ2 look just as good but are no where as near having the preformance trouble that vanguard is having.
WoW does not look as good. Not by a long shot.
It's easy to make games look prettier in enclosed single player games, as they are less taxing on computer resources and it's easier to control what the player is experiencing. You also don't have to deal with the processing overhead of sending lots of information back and forth over a network.
EQ2 is better or equal in some ways, but not others.
The main reason Vanguard is so taxing on computers is because of it's incredibly long view distance and seamless environment. There are no zones in Vanguard, and there are no multiples of chunks when one gets overcrowded (which is the main source of lag for most people right now).
World War 2 Online has similar troubles because it also has a seamless world with a vast viewing distance - That stuff is very RAM and CPU intensive, whereas most games depend more heavily on the video card.
So you end up with a lot of newbies in WW2OL wondering why the graphics don't look as good yet still lack more than Call of Duty 2 or Battlefield 2, because the simple fact is they are entirely different games with entirely different requirements and demands.
That is what my friends and I have talked about at length. If you try and go for a more realistic look, you will ultimately end up with many aspects of your game looking like crap. For example, people are posting about how realistic the game world looks, that is a +++, but then state that the NPCs look like frozen statues that do not move around, the cities look "unalive", and the characters and choices players have at customizing their looks is too limited compared to games like SWG. WOW characters do look cartoony but how they fit in with the world that WOW's artists created compliments them. If I go to Darkshore in WOW, it has a look and feel all of its own. It does not look like Elwyne Forest. If I go over to the Barrens it has its own look and feel to it, and does not look like Loch Mordan. Every place I go in WOW has its own unique look and feel. It is not as photo realistic as Vanguard but it works together to create an immersive experience.
I find myself playing EQ. I took a bit of time off to play WOW last year and then ended up going back to EQ. I can show my WOW friends videos of raiding in Demiplane of Blood and they tell me it looks like crap. I agree, it does look like crap. But there is still something to the game that is not tied to graphics. Something of a challenge mixed with having to play your character with a certain level of skill that makes the game fun. I have yet to hear anyone post in-depth reviews or commentary about actual gameplay of Vanguard. Is it engaging or it is the same ole thing that we have seen in so many other games? I hear that the UI is a complete copy of WOW. I think it is bogus of Sigil to say things like,”We picked it because why fix something that works". That is stupid design. Come up with some original stuff if you are touting this as a 3rd generation MMO.
vanguard in ways is like a single player game where iam at i have only seen about 1-2 other people and my FPS is so low like i said 8-10 i can reach 13-15 and 20-30 in doors. This shouldnt be the case and i refuse to think its just because my computers old like i said i can run oblivion on MAX setting and get more FPS out of it then vanguard and oblivion is also seemless and i have a mod which adds player like NPCs through out all of oblivion.
While it is easier to work with SP games then it is MMOs i agree with you there but to blame it on a old computer is just not right at this point. While my graphics card could use a upgrade but whats to promise its going to increase anything really to the point of Great FPS. And what kind of graphics card am i going to need when i start raiding? Im looking at a 200-400$ investment just for a graphics card alone which i dont have the money for right now. It has to be something on their end.
Im bringin sexy back.
Im bringin sexy back.
More engaging than any other MMORPG I've played, and I've tried most of them.
Crafting is engaging (A first really), diplomacy is engaging, and combat is more engaging than other games as you get higher in level building up your "deck" of abilities.