This isn't an earth shaking event. It's long been suspected but anyone who said it was called a noob and flamed. I hope this shows people that BoB achieved most of their victories via cheating. I always wondered how an alliance that couldn't even beat IRON in a fleet battle could win so much. When i was flying with IRON we beat BoB fleets about 90% of the time. They'd bring 150 pilots we'd bring 80 yet we'd usually beat them. This wasn't their rookie pilots either. It just never made sense. Then you start reading about how PoS's go offline all at the same time and a few days later BoB has Sov or BoB gets some super secret intel from "someone" and it changes the war. That the GM's were helping them shouldn't surprise anyone with 2 good eyes and half a brain.
PS: IRON has far better pilots than BoB but IRON's leadership is a bunch of liars.
If BoB did cheat, its gonna be great fun on the forums. Every BoB poster can be told to "shut up, cheaters words mean nothing". Can you imagine the pent up rage that the BoB boys will have. ofc, nothing that happens in the forums matters, but winding up BoB is always good sport.
I hope BoB didn't cheat, they are by far and away the more impressive alliance and it would be sad to think that they only got to be so powerful by cheating. But if they have, gonads should be lost.
Personally I'll wait to see what CCP has to say about it after their investigation is complete. Everything going on now is just pure 100% player speculation. There's no point in reading it because nobody really knows what's going on and everyone is just making WAG's (wild ass guesses) regarding the situation.
As to the T2 BPO issue? I don't buy that it's a huge widespread problem. I do think it's possible that 1 or 2 BPO's may have been given in a wrong/incorrect/illegal manner but until CCP completes it's investigation we don't know, can't know, and any discussion of the matter is pure speculation and there are no FACTS to back up either side of the arguement.
It's absolutely true that the T2 Lottery works exactly how ITSMEE and Rod have both stated. However it's also true that CCP staff can, do, and will give out items to players directly. How THAT is handled is not clearly known or understood, possibly even by most employees at CCP.
So until CCP makes an official statement on the matter I really don't care.
As to BoB winning because they cheat? I don't buy it. BoB wins because they're very organized, very well planned and have excellent leaders. Sure they don't have the BEST pilots in the game, but they do have very good pilots and their leaders are top notch. BoB also has another thing that most other alliances lack: Drive. They set goals and they don't give up until they meet them. Their leaders set clear, attainable, goals and work towards their accomplishment. They don't charge off in 10,000 directions at once. That is why BoB succeeds so much. Not because they're the 'best' but because they set goals and stick to them and don't get distracted from them like many other alliances do.
Do I like BoB? No more than I dislike them. I have very little interaction with BoB since their territory is on the opposite side of the map from ours. The few bob fleets that have wandered into our territory have been attacked by us and our allies in the area. If BoB ever comes in force they'll have a fight on their hands here. But do I think they cheat? No. Do I think they're well led and well organized? Yes, they'll be a formidable opponent if we ever have to face them. But they aren't un-beatable. People just need to learn how to counter them.
"A ship-of-war is the best ambassador." - Oliver Cromwell
Haha copeland, got alot of imagination don't you ?
I'v e been in BoB since the start, and Iron hasn't beaten us even a single time unless you count the fights around the iron deklein outposts as defeating us (we killed about twice as much as you did, but iron held the gorund because you were on home territory and could get new ships in).
In fact, they only single alliance in Eve to ever give us a good run for our money in several consequetive fights is the old G from just after the whoel GNW thing. Not months later they had already watered down tho, and noone else has even come close except maybe Outbreak in more recent times.
However, you won't hear me saying we are the best pilots or unbeatable. We are just incredibly focused. Everything we do serves one thing only: increasing our power as an alliance. Not as a person, not as a corp, but as BoB. BoB is what we are, and what we want to be. No entity in Eve is aas focused as we are, as organised as we are, and has the leadership we have, period. combine that with alot of disciplined pilots with alot of experience and a constant on and off of new wars to further develop our tactics and strategies and you've got Eve's current winning formula.
Cheating has nothing to do with it. We simply are the best alliance ingame right now.
Originally posted by Copeland
This isn't an earth shaking event. It's long been suspected but anyone who said it was called a noob and flamed. I hope this shows people that BoB achieved most of their victories via cheating. I always wondered how an alliance that couldn't even beat IRON in a fleet battle could win so much. When i was flying with IRON we beat BoB fleets about 90% of the time. They'd bring 150 pilots we'd bring 80 yet we'd usually beat them. This wasn't their rookie pilots either. It just never made sense. Then you start reading about how PoS's go offline all at the same time and a few days later BoB has Sov or BoB gets some super secret intel from "someone" and it changes the war. That the GM's were helping them shouldn't surprise anyone with 2 good eyes and half a brain. PS: IRON has far better pilots than BoB but IRON's leadership is a bunch of liars.
curse kicked your ass, you guys logged on and off all night long until you could get enough cheap ganks to high tail it out of there and save face.
I don't doubt Copelands story for one second, I have never had occasion to be impressed with your alliance.
unless we're talking Rovian forum propaganda
Which Final Fantasy Character Are You? if I were to kill a titan tomorrow and no CCP employees showed up to say grats I would petition it. Waiting for: the next MMO that lets me make this macro if hp < 30 then CastSpell("heal") SpellTargetUnit("player") else CastSpell("smite") end
Originally posted by Rod_B Haha copeland, got alot of imagination don't you ? I'v e been in BoB since the start, and Iron hasn't beaten us even a single time unless you count the fights around the iron deklein outposts as defeating us (we killed about twice as much as you did, but iron held the gorund because you were on home territory and could get new ships in). In fact, they only single alliance in Eve to ever give us a good run for our money in several consequetive fights is the old G from just after the whoel GNW thing. Not months later they had already watered down tho, and noone else has even come close except maybe Outbreak in more recent times. However, you won't hear me saying we are the best pilots or unbeatable. We are just incredibly focused. Everything we do serves one thing only: increasing our power as an alliance. Not as a person, not as a corp, but as BoB. BoB is what we are, and what we want to be. No entity in Eve is aas focused as we are, as organised as we are, and has the leadership we have, period. combine that with alot of disciplined pilots with alot of experience and a constant on and off of new wars to further develop our tactics and strategies and you've got Eve's current winning formula. Cheating has nothing to do with it. We simply are the best alliance ingame right now. Originally posted by Copeland This isn't an earth shaking event. It's long been suspected but anyone who said it was called a noob and flamed. I hope this shows people that BoB achieved most of their victories via cheating. I always wondered how an alliance that couldn't even beat IRON in a fleet battle could win so much. When i was flying with IRON we beat BoB fleets about 90% of the time. They'd bring 150 pilots we'd bring 80 yet we'd usually beat them. This wasn't their rookie pilots either. It just never made sense. Then you start reading about how PoS's go offline all at the same time and a few days later BoB has Sov or BoB gets some super secret intel from "someone" and it changes the war. That the GM's were helping them shouldn't surprise anyone with 2 good eyes and half a brain. PS: IRON has far better pilots than BoB but IRON's leadership is a bunch of liars.
Typical BoB propaganda. I'm so glad i don't play this game anymore and have to listen to your garbage. If it wasn't for Alliances like BoB, G and IRON, Eve would be a far more enjoyable game. Liars and Cheaters all of you!
Originally posted by Ashtor I would just like to point out to those of you that play the game, as I do, that the devs have been accused of buying their way onto the boards of alliances by handing out T2 BPOs and then helping their factions win.
I would just like to point out to those of you that play the game, as I do, that the allegations are coming from a known hacker and account stealer. So think about that before you get ignorant about this issue.
I would just like to point out to those of you that play the game, as I do, that the devs have been accused of buying their way onto the boards of alliances by handing out T2 BPOs and then helping their factions win.
I would just like to point out to those of you that play the game, as I do, that the allegations are coming from a known hacker and account stealer. So think about that before you get ignorant about this issue.
I don't think there is hard evidence that he is a hacker. It's really just all speculation. What if he is a member of BoB, what if he is actually a director and had access to all this information? I don't think you can rule out anything.
Also, just because the information was gotten in a certain fashion doesn't make it untrue. No one had denied any of it, not even BoB. CCP are launching an investigation. So there has to be some substance to it all. Whether everything is true or not remains to be seen. But so far, I've found most of the stuff to be believable.
As for BoB achieving everything through fair means. All I can say is that EvE is a game where the smallest differences can change everything. An advantage, no matter how small, can snowball and lead to something big. Everything can be game altering, although it is usually not always obvious.
When you have a CCP dev acting as a director in BoB, it has to make you wonder. This person obviously cared a lot about the game. Can he really be trusted to be totally fair? I'm not so sure.
BoB's behavior in all this hasn't exactly helped the situation. IMO, they should be as upfront about this as much as possible and help CCP get to the bottom of it all. After all, it is their reputation that is ultimately at stake in game. But I guess we'll just have to wait and see what happens.
1-st, he IS a hacker. He has BoB forum db and he himself admitted that he guessed some passwords on their forums. It is possible that he resorted to more sophisticated methods of hacking in order to get access to directors section of their forums. This guy is also accused of hacking by another alliance, which are btw the enemy of BoB. His motives are utterly ulterior - he wanted BoB to kick one of their directors out of alliance or give him (the hacker) a mothership. As to the accusations: the real question is whether BoB directors knew that the char that was giving them BPOs is a Dev? They couldn't possibly know how this Dev got those BPOs, after all, if he'd just created them for himself, he wouldn't brag about it in game. If they knew, that he's a Dev and accepted those BPOs - it's the worst thing they can be accused of. So, I'm nearly sure, they didn't know if he got those BPOs by legitimate means or by abusing his Dev powers. Whether or not he was leaking them the insider info or helped them by any other means, using the "special" features of his other account - Dev account, is a totally different story. That's why I wouldn't call BoB leadership cheaters, there's a very small chance that they did anything wrong, may be they weren't too picky when they were offered the BPOs and may be they got some insider info through that guy, which is bad, but I don't think that they've knowingly cheated. In any case, this staff stinks and that's why I think that Devs or GMs shouldn't mess with in-game alliances at all.
Ironically, it's in some way BoB's own fault that it happened to them. They were constantly stretching the boundaries of gameplay with all their spying/sabotage thing, it was only a matter of tme until someone made another step forward on the road, BoB themselves started to pave.
No matter what happened, the sooner CCP can get all this mess sorted out the better. The longer they take and let it just sit, more rumors will start to spread and it can only get worse. CCP needs to punish the people who screwed up, clear the ones who did nothing wrong, and put things into place so something like this won't happen again.
I hope BOB are satisfied with themselves and the community sees the wool being pulled over their eyes, i for one will be canceling all 3 of my accounts in eve-online, battlefield 2142 here i come...
THANKS BOB + CCP, you killed my game, i hope many others will follow my path and watch eve-online go down the pan, i doubt they will be able to keep the new hardware when they lose most of their subscribers.
Well you got what you want BOB, you can have all of eve to yourselves, hope you are happy!!
its amusing that people are willing to belive the word of a hacker, over the word of the games devs.. its also amusing to see that the anti-bobbit crybabies have ignored the FACT that CCP also admitted there was devs in other major alliances.
To be honest anti-bobbit crybabies will refuse to belive anything other then "A Dev cheated" reguardless if its true or not.
The truth and fact is that BoB is innocent, and the devs are innocent as well, and there is no conspiricy or cover up.
And the hacker that started this... well, he no longer plays the game according to various forum posts.
Dev ignore the fact that BoB where benefitting from macro-miners in their space Dev's ignore account sharing and character sales for $$$ within BoB Where the BPOs donated to bob from a Dev
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edit: i don't care if a dev/gm play on bob/ra/gs/b2/iron/etc just dont help them and if play have to be "secret" none from that alliance have to know also don't use hes gm/dev power to get free stuff
Dev ignore the fact that BoB where benefitting from macro-miners in their space
Dev's ignore account sharing and character sales for $$$ within BoB
Where the BPOs donated to bob from a Dev
...................
erm... what about Red Alliance and the complex exploit, that netted them billions.. Since we know that RA has/had devs as members.
And my dear little cosy, way are you forgetting to add the part that BoB had the Macro miners in their space banned after gathering proof that they was indeed macro miners.
As for the Character for £££ sale... 'PROOF OR STFU' I have read the information on your little friends website and there is nothing to say that this is true... you only have Kugutsumen waving his banner saying its true... So please provide proof for everyone to see.
As for the BPO's again please show me proof they was got by cheating..
Sorry cosy, but you only want to belive that bob cheated, and that because the truth is they haven't you feel the need to throw your toys around.. So can I say... "Can I have your stuff" .. after all if your that unhappy with the game why are you going to keep playing.
Originally Posted by Judicator Yes. 250 USD is the rough value if he is considered worth around 1BN ISK if you take the EBay prices on ISK.
Originally Posted by Judicator Quote: Originally Posted by db preacher Hey bud... I got me new account.
It's called Jud1000
Gimmie a shout when you are good to do the transfer
cheers, dbp lol the Jud1000
Well, it seems the only really easy/free way per se is paypal. Was reading their site and its kinda confusing, their free account seems as if you cannot recive cash via credit card/debit card, but I think it's just that you cannot use it to sells stuff via EBay and ppl use their cc etc. PP and EBay are so entwined now it's not even funny.
Yes. 250 USD is the rough value if he is considered worth around 1BN ISK if you take the EBay prices on ISK.
Originally Posted by Judicator
Quote:
Originally Posted by db preacher
Hey bud... I got me new account.
It's called Jud1000
Gimmie a shout when you are good to do the transfer
cheers,
dbp
lol the Jud1000
Well, it seems the only really easy/free way per se is paypal. Was reading their site and its kinda confusing, their free account seems as if you cannot recive cash via credit card/debit card, but I think it's just that you cannot use it to sells stuff via EBay and ppl use their cc etc. PP and EBay are so entwined now it's not even funny.
Gonna hve to make an account.
Hmmm I still don't see any proof.. Interesting how you are using stuff from Kugutsumen's site... you know the stuff that was hacked then presented as the truth. so please provid some real proof, but wait you can't.
So i guess you will have to keep beating your firsts on the wall screaming "WHAA WHAAA BoB cheated coz my friend Kugutsumen said so.."
Yes. 250 USD is the rough value if he is considered worth around 1BN ISK if you take the EBay prices on ISK.
Originally Posted by Judicator
Quote:
Originally Posted by db preacher
Hey bud... I got me new account.
It's called Jud1000
Gimmie a shout when you are good to do the transfer
cheers,
dbp
lol the Jud1000
Well, it seems the only really easy/free way per se is paypal. Was reading their site and its kinda confusing, their free account seems as if you cannot recive cash via credit card/debit card, but I think it's just that you cannot use it to sells stuff via EBay and ppl use their cc etc. PP and EBay are so entwined now it's not even funny.
Gonna hve to make an account.
Hmmm I still don't see any proof.. Interesting how you are using stuff from Kugutsumen's site... you know the stuff that was hacked then presented as the truth. so please provid some real proof, but wait you can't.
So i guess you will have to keep beating your firsts on the wall screaming "WHAA WHAAA BoB cheated coz my friend Kugutsumen said so.."
Was that info hacked or did he make it all up? You can't seem to make up your mind. After many denials various bobbits now admit the character was transferred, but for nothing... how generous of Judicator!
Awwwww cosy... Did the investigation upset you? its amusing that people are willing to belive the word of a hacker, over the word of the games devs.. its also amusing to see that the anti-bobbit crybabies have ignored the FACT that CCP also admitted there was devs in other major alliances. To be honest anti-bobbit crybabies will refuse to belive anything other then "A Dev cheated" reguardless if its true or not. The truth and fact is that BoB is innocent, and the devs are innocent as well, and there is no conspiricy or cover up. And the hacker that started this... well, he no longer plays the game according to various forum posts.
Ummm kieron said a dev became know and the character deleted, exactly what the hacker reported. As for the rest they gave a big shrug and said they don't know one way or the other. The very fact that dev accounts were outed means at least some of the hackers information was true. But at this point nothing kieron said has contradicted the hacker whatsoever, so it's not a case of believing one over the other - where CCP have made definite statements they agree with his information!
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This isn't an earth shaking event. It's long been suspected but anyone who said it was called a noob and flamed. I hope this shows people that BoB achieved most of their victories via cheating. I always wondered how an alliance that couldn't even beat IRON in a fleet battle could win so much. When i was flying with IRON we beat BoB fleets about 90% of the time. They'd bring 150 pilots we'd bring 80 yet we'd usually beat them. This wasn't their rookie pilots either. It just never made sense. Then you start reading about how PoS's go offline all at the same time and a few days later BoB has Sov or BoB gets some super secret intel from "someone" and it changes the war. That the GM's were helping them shouldn't surprise anyone with 2 good eyes and half a brain.
PS: IRON has far better pilots than BoB but IRON's leadership is a bunch of liars.
Make a difference!
If BoB did cheat, its gonna be great fun on the forums. Every BoB poster can be told to "shut up, cheaters words mean nothing". Can you imagine the pent up rage that the BoB boys will have. ofc, nothing that happens in the forums matters, but winding up BoB is always good sport.
I hope BoB didn't cheat, they are by far and away the more impressive alliance and it would be sad to think that they only got to be so powerful by cheating. But if they have, gonads should be lost.
As to the T2 BPO issue? I don't buy that it's a huge widespread problem. I do think it's possible that 1 or 2 BPO's may have been given in a wrong/incorrect/illegal manner but until CCP completes it's investigation we don't know, can't know, and any discussion of the matter is pure speculation and there are no FACTS to back up either side of the arguement.
It's absolutely true that the T2 Lottery works exactly how ITSMEE and Rod have both stated. However it's also true that CCP staff can, do, and will give out items to players directly. How THAT is handled is not clearly known or understood, possibly even by most employees at CCP.
So until CCP makes an official statement on the matter I really don't care.
As to BoB winning because they cheat? I don't buy it. BoB wins because they're very organized, very well planned and have excellent leaders. Sure they don't have the BEST pilots in the game, but they do have very good pilots and their leaders are top notch. BoB also has another thing that most other alliances lack: Drive. They set goals and they don't give up until they meet them. Their leaders set clear, attainable, goals and work towards their accomplishment. They don't charge off in 10,000 directions at once. That is why BoB succeeds so much. Not because they're the 'best' but because they set goals and stick to them and don't get distracted from them like many other alliances do.
Do I like BoB? No more than I dislike them. I have very little interaction with BoB since their territory is on the opposite side of the map from ours. The few bob fleets that have wandered into our territory have been attacked by us and our allies in the area. If BoB ever comes in force they'll have a fight on their hands here. But do I think they cheat? No. Do I think they're well led and well organized? Yes, they'll be a formidable opponent if we ever have to face them. But they aren't un-beatable. People just need to learn how to counter them.
"A ship-of-war is the best ambassador." - Oliver Cromwell
Haha copeland, got alot of imagination don't you ?
I'v e been in BoB since the start, and Iron hasn't beaten us even a single time unless you count the fights around the iron deklein outposts as defeating us (we killed about twice as much as you did, but iron held the gorund because you were on home territory and could get new ships in).
In fact, they only single alliance in Eve to ever give us a good run for our money in several consequetive fights is the old G from just after the whoel GNW thing. Not months later they had already watered down tho, and noone else has even come close except maybe Outbreak in more recent times.
However, you won't hear me saying we are the best pilots or unbeatable. We are just incredibly focused. Everything we do serves one thing only: increasing our power as an alliance. Not as a person, not as a corp, but as BoB. BoB is what we are, and what we want to be. No entity in Eve is aas focused as we are, as organised as we are, and has the leadership we have, period. combine that with alot of disciplined pilots with alot of experience and a constant on and off of new wars to further develop our tactics and strategies and you've got Eve's current winning formula.
Cheating has nothing to do with it. We simply are the best alliance ingame right now.
I don't doubt Copelands story for one second, I have never had occasion to be impressed with your alliance.
unless we're talking Rovian forum propaganda
Which Final Fantasy Character Are You?
if I were to kill a titan tomorrow and no CCP employees showed up to say grats I would petition it.
Waiting for: the next MMO that lets me make this macro
if hp < 30 then CastSpell("heal") SpellTargetUnit("player") else CastSpell("smite") end
The appearance of conflict of interest is just as damaging as the actual act.
There are only 10 types of people in this world, those that understand binary and those that don't
Typical BoB propaganda. I'm so glad i don't play this game anymore and have to listen to your garbage. If it wasn't for Alliances like BoB, G and IRON, Eve would be a far more enjoyable game. Liars and Cheaters all of you!
Make a difference!
ok, guess that makes two of us then
I would just like to point out to those of you that play the game, as I do, that the allegations are coming from a known hacker and account stealer. So think about that before you get ignorant about this issue.
I would just like to point out to those of you that play the game, as I do, that the allegations are coming from a known hacker and account stealer. So think about that before you get ignorant about this issue.
I don't think there is hard evidence that he is a hacker. It's really just all speculation. What if he is a member of BoB, what if he is actually a director and had access to all this information? I don't think you can rule out anything.
Also, just because the information was gotten in a certain fashion doesn't make it untrue. No one had denied any of it, not even BoB. CCP are launching an investigation. So there has to be some substance to it all. Whether everything is true or not remains to be seen. But so far, I've found most of the stuff to be believable.
As for BoB achieving everything through fair means. All I can say is that EvE is a game where the smallest differences can change everything. An advantage, no matter how small, can snowball and lead to something big. Everything can be game altering, although it is usually not always obvious.
When you have a CCP dev acting as a director in BoB, it has to make you wonder. This person obviously cared a lot about the game. Can he really be trusted to be totally fair? I'm not so sure.
BoB's behavior in all this hasn't exactly helped the situation. IMO, they should be as upfront about this as much as possible and help CCP get to the bottom of it all. After all, it is their reputation that is ultimately at stake in game. But I guess we'll just have to wait and see what happens.
Ironically, it's in some way BoB's own fault that it happened to them. They were constantly stretching the boundaries of gameplay with all their spying/sabotage thing, it was only a matter of tme until someone made another step forward on the road, BoB themselves started to pave.
thread here: http://myeve.eve-online.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=471868
I hope BOB are satisfied with themselves and the community sees the wool being pulled over their eyes, i for one will be canceling all 3 of my accounts in eve-online, battlefield 2142 here i come...
THANKS BOB + CCP, you killed my game, i hope many others will follow my path and watch eve-online go down the pan, i doubt they will be able to keep the new hardware when they lose most of their subscribers.
Well you got what you want BOB, you can have all of eve to yourselves, hope you are happy!!
yes through cheating, you have lost your dev characters.
BOB will always now be known as cheaters!
http://eve-search.com/index.dxd?thread=471868
"new info"
use the eve-search so u can see deleted post
BestSigEver :P
Awwwww cosy... Did the investigation upset you?
its amusing that people are willing to belive the word of a hacker, over the word of the games devs.. its also amusing to see that the anti-bobbit crybabies have ignored the FACT that CCP also admitted there was devs in other major alliances.
To be honest anti-bobbit crybabies will refuse to belive anything other then "A Dev cheated" reguardless if its true or not.
The truth and fact is that BoB is innocent, and the devs are innocent as well, and there is no conspiricy or cover up.
And the hacker that started this... well, he no longer plays the game according to various forum posts.
Dev ignore the fact that BoB where benefitting from macro-miners in their space
Dev's ignore account sharing and character sales for $$$ within BoB
Where the BPOs donated to bob from a Dev
...................
edit: i don't care if a dev/gm play on bob/ra/gs/b2/iron/etc just dont help them and if play have to be "secret" none from that alliance have to know
also don't use hes gm/dev power to get free stuff
BestSigEver :P
erm... what about Red Alliance and the complex exploit, that netted them billions.. Since we know that RA has/had devs as members.
And my dear little cosy, way are you forgetting to add the part that BoB had the Macro miners in their space banned after gathering proof that they was indeed macro miners.
As for the Character for £££ sale... 'PROOF OR STFU' I have read the information on your little friends website and there is nothing to say that this is true... you only have Kugutsumen waving his banner saying its true... So please provide proof for everyone to see.
As for the BPO's again please show me proof they was got by cheating..
Sorry cosy, but you only want to belive that bob cheated, and that because the truth is they haven't you feel the need to throw your toys around.. So can I say... "Can I have your stuff" .. after all if your that unhappy with the game why are you going to keep playing.
BestSigEver :P
Hmmm I still don't see any proof.. Interesting how you are using stuff from Kugutsumen's site... you know the stuff that was hacked then presented as the truth. so please provid some real proof, but wait you can't.
So i guess you will have to keep beating your firsts on the wall screaming "WHAA WHAAA BoB cheated coz my friend Kugutsumen said so.."
Hmmm I still don't see any proof.. Interesting how you are using stuff from Kugutsumen's site... you know the stuff that was hacked then presented as the truth. so please provid some real proof, but wait you can't.
So i guess you will have to keep beating your firsts on the wall screaming "WHAA WHAAA BoB cheated coz my friend Kugutsumen said so.."
Was that info hacked or did he make it all up? You can't seem to make up your mind. After many denials various bobbits now admit the character was transferred, but for nothing... how generous of Judicator!
Ummm kieron said a dev became know and the character deleted, exactly what the hacker reported. As for the rest they gave a big shrug and said they don't know one way or the other. The very fact that dev accounts were outed means at least some of the hackers information was true. But at this point nothing kieron said has contradicted the hacker whatsoever, so it's not a case of believing one over the other - where CCP have made definite statements they agree with his information!
yes kugutsumen get hes 5 acc banned and he make a favour to the community get that on light
seams CCP don't like to see own trash out of can
now kugutsumen web site is open again
http://www.kugutsumen.com/showthread.php?t=134
BestSigEver :P
http://myeve.eve-online.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=471868&page=24#714
I wonder why?
Well, perhaps if you read his comments, you would know why, and not have to ask.
Just a thought.
/me rolls her eyes