I'd have to agree so far with M4rvin. This doesn't answer any of the questions posed by the players. However, it IS good to see that CCP is continuing to report back to their subscribers on the situation and that possibly some actual action will be taken (removal of a few devs chars isn't going to do much).
Well, quitting EVE over this is ridiculous, so what, a few devs MAYBE got some advantages, or MAYBE helped some friends. There are people (players) out there that scam others (morally the same imho, although not against any EULA). There are those that use/have used exploits to get rich. And if we all could use ~ to get a console, most would be hard pressed not to use it... I'll withold my judgement a few more days, at least they can get some time to find the "evidence" and come clean. Even so, I prefer a game where 99% of the devs play their own game, as passionately as the rest. There's always at least one rotten apple in any barrel. Won't stop med from eating fruit.
Well i actually cancelled my account because of the Alliances in 0.0. They just plain suck. BoB, IRON, D2, PA, ASCN they all lie to their members. It's hard to fight for something when you know you're being fed lies.
Now that's a better reason. I got the "0.0 burnout" about a year ago also. To much time wasted in endless gatecamps, endless debates, most not pulling their weight, orders questioned openly on comms by whoever and ofc the "lies", for security reasons. Altough I can agree with the latter, in part at least.
I went to Empire, and roam there with mutual wars, where we all agree on being enemies, and use RoE etc. Much more civilized, altough the enemies are Matari...
Well, quitting EVE over this is ridiculous, so what, a few devs MAYBE got some advantages, or MAYBE helped some friends. There are people (players) out there that scam others (morally the same imho, although not against any EULA). There are those that use/have used exploits to get rich. And if we all could use ~ to get a console, most would be hard pressed not to use it... I'll withold my judgement a few more days, at least they can get some time to find the "evidence" and come clean. Even so, I prefer a game where 99% of the devs play their own game, as passionately as the rest. There's always at least one rotten apple in any barrel. Won't stop med from eating fruit.
Well i actually cancelled my account because of the Alliances in 0.0. They just plain suck. BoB, IRON, D2, PA, ASCN they all lie to their members. It's hard to fight for something when you know you're being fed lies.
That's not entirely true. I've known a few very quality 0.0 organizations in my days in EVE (Huzzah Federation for example). Sadly, most of those organizations are dead because they didn't use exploits to gain either financial or tactical advantage.
what most of you do not know is that most of the info that was turned over to CCP was gathered illegally by a hacker that hacked in to corp forums and in to peoples accounts fore the game this person has ben band rum the game now but Y shood CCP bee taking illegally gathered information rum a hacker that told the eve community his hole gole it to get ever member of BOB one of the biggest alliances in the game because he could not defeat then in game he decided to commit a crime and then he gave all the info to CCP and they acted on it dus this make CCP any better then the hacker that committed several crimes to get the info ?????
hacker was right - bad for CCP only char ban - bad for CCP ppl expected more if Dev get fired now after this - Bad for CCP, show that CCP need to be put under pressure to take the "correct" decision
Originally posted by HueTheHand what most of you do not know is that most of the info that was turned over to CCP was gathered illegally by a hacker that hacked in to corp forums and in to peoples accounts fore the game this person has ben band rum the game now but Y shood CCP bee taking illegally gathered information rum a hacker that told the eve community his hole gole it to get ever member of BOB one of the biggest alliances in the game because he could not defeat then in game he decided to commit a crime and then he gave all the info to CCP and they acted on it dus this make CCP any better then the hacker that committed several crimes to get the info ?????
Well seeing as how this is a business investigation and NOT a court of law, then yes, they have a right to use the information.
If a bunch of penile disadvantaged developers were cheating, then they should get the hammer. And CCP should be up front about it all.
what most of you do not know is that most of the info that was turned over to CCP was gathered illegally by a hacker that hacked in to corp forums and in to peoples accounts fore the game this person has ben band rum the game now but Y shood CCP bee taking illegally gathered information rum a hacker that told the eve community his hole gole it to get ever member of BOB one of the biggest alliances in the game because he could not defeat then in game he decided to commit a crime and then he gave all the info to CCP and they acted on it dus this make CCP any better then the hacker that committed several crimes to get the info ?????
Guess this is one of those questions... Do the means justify the outcome... in this case, I would say so.
I can understand the frusteration some people are getting from this; if I am a small corp looking to grow to something large and see that the largest corp in the game was fed from the hands of a few devs, I would be upset as well. I doubt all or even a large portion of the devs were involved.
As for the statement about the largest alliances not feeding information to all of the corp members: I was a peon in a tiny corp under one of the smaller sub alliances in ASCN and didn't know where we were going to engage the enemy until the hour it was to happen. There is a reason only a few know what is going to happen and when. As with running a government during war, you don't release the location of troop movements to the media (and thus to your enemies). Not all members of an alliance are faithful (eg: spies). If you want to be involved in decisions, planning and strat then create/join a smaller corp and prove yourself to the larget alliances. It takes time to gain their trust when a fleet of billion/trillion isk capitial ships hangs in the balance. /two cents
looking over the posts made here and on eve online forums i cant help but laugh at you guys bashing Band Of Brothers. i had the same thing happen to a clan i started a few years ago on a old FPS game because we were that damn good people accused us of cheating. Its stupid that you cans cant believe that your ability to work as a team and your own individual play is not as good as you thought. so you go on a massive witch hunt (*on the top dogs*) so to speak.
your own inability to play the game properly dwells on abusing others and causing as much grief as you possibly can to make your way through eve and have fun.
now for my thoughts on what is going on with the dev issue. it does seem that there was indeed a dev in "BOB" that much is clear as keiron and the other devs / gms came to the decission of deleting the dev's characters. as for his misconduct, that is still in question and as for the community based players demanding information as to weather this is true or not is a joke from a business point of view that wouldnt happen. It may do though because for all fairness to CCP, this tarnishes thier name so it does seem they will try to show as much information as possible weather it is bad news or good news for both CCP & BOB.
i recently spoke with a few friends who play the game in different corps and alliances with regards to finding out more information about the T2 industry and which of those actually have T2 blueprints. from the information that i received it seems that D2 themselves have a lot of T2 bpos both alliance owned and player owned. are you going to do a witch hunt on them next? no i dont think so.
all i can do is laugh at you guys and hope that some day you may learn from your mistakes
I hope that the alligations made come clear soon so that people once again can resume what they enjoy most and thats playing the game and then CCP can once again continue working on their advertising to bring in more customers to play the game. as for those of you quitting the game, its your loss.
I'm going to sign up to play right now as i've heard some good things about this game regardless of the forum trashing so many of you seem to do.
Originally posted by voxx84 I can understand the frusteration some people are getting from this; if I am a small corp looking to grow to something large and see that the largest corp in the game was fed from the hands of a few devs, I would be upset as well. I doubt all or even a large portion of the devs were involved. As for the statement about the largest alliances not feeding information to all of the corp members: I was a peon in a tiny corp under one of the smaller sub alliances in ASCN and didn't know where we were going to engage the enemy until the hour it was to happen. There is a reason only a few know what is going to happen and when. As with running a government during war, you don't release the location of troop movements to the media (and thus to your enemies). Not all members of an alliance are faithful (eg: spies). If you want to be involved in decisions, planning and strat then create/join a smaller corp and prove yourself to the larget alliances. It takes time to gain their trust when a fleet of billion/trillion isk capitial ships hangs in the balance. /two cents
I wasn't talking about not knowing where you're going until you get there i'm talking about outright lies but i wont get into it. I hope you enjoy your EVE experience and don't have to deal with what i had to. Stay away from IRON and D2 thats all i have to say.
Originally posted by lolzr_at_u looking over the posts made here and on eve online forums i cant help but laugh at you guys bashing Band Of Brothers. i had the same thing happen to a clan i started a few years ago on a old FPS game because we were that damn good people accused us of cheating. Its stupid that you cans cant believe that your ability to work as a team and your own individual play is not as good as you thought. so you go on a massive witch hunt (*on the top dogs*) so to speak. your own inability to play the game properly dwells on abusing others and causing as much grief as you possibly can to make your way through eve and have fun. now for my thoughts on what is going on with the dev issue. it does seem that there was indeed a dev in "BOB" that much is clear as keiron and the other devs / gms came to the decission of deleting the dev's characters. as for his misconduct, that is still in question and as for the community based players demanding information as to weather this is true or not is a joke from a business point of view that wouldnt happen. It may do though because for all fairness to CCP, this tarnishes thier name so it does seem they will try to show as much information as possible weather it is bad news or good news for both CCP & BOB. i recently spoke with a few friends who play the game in different corps and alliances with regards to finding out more information about the T2 industry and which of those actually have T2 blueprints. from the information that i received it seems that D2 themselves have a lot of T2 bpos both alliance owned and player owned. are you going to do a witch hunt on them next? no i dont think so. all i can do is laugh at you guys and hope that some day you may learn from your mistakes I hope that the alligations made come clear soon so that people once again can resume what they enjoy most and thats playing the game and then CCP can once again continue working on their advertising to bring in more customers to play the game. as for those of you quitting the game, its your loss. I'm going to sign up to play right now as i've heard some good things about this game regardless of the forum trashing so many of you seem to do.
You don't even play and you're going to laugh at us because it has been found that BoB does have devs in it and has benefited from it and there has been other suspicious activity? that's amusing. Are you going to be laughing when CCP finds that most of these allegations are true? I can assure they are. And as far as BoB goes there are other Alliances just as good and dedicated as BoB. They've just been dealt blows by BoB under very suspicious circumstances.
By your 1 post i'd bet you do play EVE and you're a member of BoB that has made an account here to use the counter propaganda that BoB is more famous for than their combat exploits.
edit: Account made 2/7/7.. I'm just too good at sniffing out BoB bs after all these years of dealing with it in game HAHAHA i pwn you.
Not really a surprising result of this investigation. Most of the allegations seemed pretty baseless anyway. It's also not very surprising that people won't accept this result whether it's the correct one or not.
what do you mean? They found that in fact there were devs in bob who let bob know they were devs. Action has been taken on what they've found so far. They aren't done looking. Now that they know BoB had devs in it that were in fact breaking the rules by letting people know they were CCP employees i'm sure they'll find more. Baseless? Seems to me they found the evidence to suggest just the opposite.
I said "most of the allegations". That one thing isn't really something that worry me.
If you're ever in a big 0.0 war against BoB and all your pos's go offline or 6 billion isk worth of resources are taken from an operational pos you'll understand. People always used to say it was BoB infiltration but i know from experience that in a few cases that would have been impossible and thats when people started whispering that there had to be devs involved with BoB. Now we find that there were in fact devs in BoB. I don't think they'll have to look too hard. Actually i think if they just tell the devs to come clean or clean out their desk they'll find the answers pretty fast.
first of all, omghi2u
Long time fella, hows tricks?
Secondly, from reports on Kugmantsuns or however his name is spelt, site, he claims that not only are certain devs in BoB, but these include T20, who made the T2 BPO lottery system, LeMonde, Kieron and Oveur. Now I don;t know weather this is true or not, but they are mearly alergations coming from his site.
Thirdly to everyone else about the Devs player acounts that got delete, thats not stricly true. From what I know that char has a name and avatar change and then goes right back into circulation.
actually no i dont, since i found out about this so called issue from a friend of mine that i was chatting to he said that the eve forums were getting beyond a joke so i thought i might as well check out the forums to see what kind of rubbish was being spouted.
goonswarm or if you prefer goonies seem to have a big issue with bob as do with a few others. maybe they got their cans kicked a few to many times and are just biting their nails down to find things to throw back in bobs face. maybe the allegations are true maybe their not. I myself would rather belief the actual words of a CCP representative rather then a novice game player.
wow you pwn'd me so hard, that your brains on overload and suspecting all new posters to be bob, obviously you are very caught up in this since your assuming myself to actually be part of them when ive only just signed upto the game.
Originally posted by lolzr_at_u actually no i dont, since i found out about this so called issue from a friend of mine that i was chatting to he said that the eve forums were getting beyond a joke so i thought i might as well check out the forums to see what kind of rubbish was being spouted. goonswarm or if you prefer goonies seem to have a big issue with bob as do with a few others. maybe they got their cans kicked a few to many times and are just biting their nails down to find things to throw back in bobs face. maybe the allegations are true maybe their not. I myself would rather belief the actual words of a CCP representative rather then a novice game player. wow you pwn'd me so hard, that your brains on overload and suspecting all new posters to be bob, obviously you are very caught up in this since your assuming myself to actually be part of them when ive only just signed upto the game. self owned 4TL
Thanks for the advice, I prefer the smaller corps... ive learned how frusterating large alliances are (losing many many ships during the battles with the red alliance helped me appreciate pvp within smaller corps).
It seems that they have been very lucky in their wars with GS and ASCN. However with whats been raised in this thread and also the story behind the ASCN Titan being "probed" to death it seems that this is what people want to know about
2) The T2 lottery.
Granted I have no idea how this is supposed to run it does seem that the bigger groups get more. This is something that might have to be worked out.
3) No clear policy or guidelines on cheating.
I think that one is clear enough. There is no set way when someone cheats to know what path for the greaved to take. Granted this is a game where backstabbing is going to happen, but where does the game end and the business begin?
I listed these in the order in what people are talking about, and want answers too. Unfortunally it seems that the item that people want to know about, and it's starting to hit the gaming news sites like Blues news at www.bluesnews.com/cgi-bin/board.pl
This is a simple thing, people want answers or they are gone. There is no spin, no more simple truth then this.
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One more thing. I'm not against the Devs or GMs playing the game. That is not the problem here. The problem is that somewhere down the road someone did something they shouldn't of.
Few realize how bad it can get with evil rogue devs in a mmorpg. They have total access to your hard drive because you have to give the game access to your machine, even if you have a firewall and anti virus up they have a huge amount of access to your computer.
If a dev or devs for whatever reason doesn't like you they can ruin your hard drive so it doesn't boot. Harass you when you're playing by playing tricks on you. Making corpses with derogatory names with you in mind where you bank or hunt. Causing disconnects or zone crashes where you play. Especially if you're on a test server (with a low population) of a mmorpg. Yeah I know some of it can be random stuff but if you have all of the above happening it's not random. Dev's can be quite childish if offended by someone in game. It's a dark side of mmorpgs.
I cancelled my account a few weeks back before the introduction of the latest patch - by the looks of this fiasco I definitely did the right thing. It is a conflict of interest to have the developers of the game playing it in direct competition to their PAYING subscribers - OF COURSE their going to use whatever knowledge/leverage they have at their disposal its the nature of the beast. The direction this game is going is down the girgler - heck they even intend on introducing pvp capability on stations as well so nowhere will be safe unless your in a group which is attacked by an even bigger group in a neverending upward spiral of anarchy - not my idea of fun...
DEFINITION OF REALITY: Graphics ok, Sound ok, Gold drops need more work...
actually no i dont, since i found out about this so called issue from a friend of mine that i was chatting to he said that the eve forums were getting beyond a joke so i thought i might as well check out the forums to see what kind of rubbish was being spouted. goonswarm or if you prefer goonies seem to have a big issue with bob as do with a few others. maybe they got their cans kicked a few to many times and are just biting their nails down to find things to throw back in bobs face. maybe the allegations are true maybe their not. I myself would rather belief the actual words of a CCP representative rather then a novice game player. wow you pwn'd me so hard, that your brains on overload and suspecting all new posters to be bob, obviously you are very caught up in this since your assuming myself to actually be part of them when ive only just signed upto the game. self owned 4TL
You know, alt-posting on the EVE forums is ridiculed as well. It's no surprise folks think you're a BoB apologist.
I'm not surprised something like this happened. It was only a matter of time before a developer crossed the line and aided one of the larger alliances. This game inspires some of the deepest, most angst-ridden passions I've seen in an MMO. Especially in the large alliances. I think most devs would be hard-pressed to use their powers only for good, as it were. Canceling dev characters is like closing the barn door after the horses have escaped and the barn's burned down, although something had to be done to punish the devs involved.
I think if BoB did benefit in a material way those benefits should be taken away. That's only fair.
I like the game but see stuff like this and can find out why it is such a time sink. Glad to see such passion. Hope to see the truth come out and get corrected.
i think the leaders of BOB should be given bans also, since they obviously knew the dev was in their alliance and they wouldnt be where they are now, without the knowledge of the dev, hand outs etc..
they should have reported the dev, no! they chose to abuse his powers!.
BOB ARE CHEATERS!
CCP will have to work hard to regain the trust of their community, that statement yesterday by Kieron was already known to most people and it aint good enough!
The investigation, was an internal one by non other than CCP staff, it should have been done by a 3rd party, after that statement yesterday by Kieron, whatever CCP say now, will be seen as lies.
CCP prefer BOB
Thx Kug for brining the light to our eyes (we knew already, just had no proof to point the finger)
That BOB had Devs/GMs in was known to most of the players since 2004.
When BOB left the North and PA there, they moved in Delve.
One of my friends (BOB corp member) said to me "PA didn't won the war. We are just moving to Delve now Blood will come there. It will be a rich area". One month later, Blood (NPC Pirate Faction) moved to Delve (as ingame Event).
I was Evol member for a period of few months. I was even planning to go to their camp in Denmark for holidays.
But i decide to give up my char to a friend and make a new one none knows about and play in peace.
Now in June, (in the period when the the gathering/holidays was), I decide to make a joke in the forums. I create a demo account with a brand new email (nothing to connect to my rl one) fake name etc. And I post that now BOB are on holidays is good oportunity to invade their space.
Few hours later I received on my MAIN email account an email from a BOB member asking me why I did such post. (They track my static IP).
After that I stop even looking EVE website or bothering about.
looking over the posts made here and on eve online forums i cant help but laugh at you guys bashing Band Of Brothers. i had the same thing happen to a clan i started a few years ago on a old FPS game because we were that damn good people accused us of cheating. Its stupid that you cans cant believe that your ability to work as a team and your own individual play is not as good as you thought. so you go on a massive witch hunt (*on the top dogs*) so to speak. your own inability to play the game properly dwells on abusing others and causing as much grief as you possibly can to make your way through eve and have fun. now for my thoughts on what is going on with the dev issue. it does seem that there was indeed a dev in "BOB" that much is clear as keiron and the other devs / gms came to the decission of deleting the dev's characters. as for his misconduct, that is still in question and as for the community based players demanding information as to weather this is true or not is a joke from a business point of view that wouldnt happen. It may do though because for all fairness to CCP, this tarnishes thier name so it does seem they will try to show as much information as possible weather it is bad news or good news for both CCP & BOB. i recently spoke with a few friends who play the game in different corps and alliances with regards to finding out more information about the T2 industry and which of those actually have T2 blueprints. from the information that i received it seems that D2 themselves have a lot of T2 bpos both alliance owned and player owned. are you going to do a witch hunt on them next? no i dont think so. all i can do is laugh at you guys and hope that some day you may learn from your mistakes I hope that the alligations made come clear soon so that people once again can resume what they enjoy most and thats playing the game and then CCP can once again continue working on their advertising to bring in more customers to play the game. as for those of you quitting the game, its your loss. I'm going to sign up to play right now as i've heard some good things about this game regardless of the forum trashing so many of you seem to do.
People here saing they quit, they have done it after this incident, wen they finished their tuturial, thous who say that left are probably alt accounts ,haters with 1 or 10 posts here.
No one with a good sence will quit EVE because of this, it wasnt CCP that failed, it was a DEV(human person), CCP posted on oficial forums if they find this guy is a shiter, he will not be a CCP member no more
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Well i actually cancelled my account because of the Alliances in 0.0. They just plain suck. BoB, IRON, D2, PA, ASCN they all lie to their members. It's hard to fight for something when you know you're being fed lies.
Now that's a better reason. I got the "0.0 burnout" about a year ago also. To much time wasted in endless gatecamps, endless debates, most not pulling their weight, orders questioned openly on comms by whoever and ofc the "lies", for security reasons. Altough I can agree with the latter, in part at least.
I went to Empire, and roam there with mutual wars, where we all agree on being enemies, and use RoE etc. Much more civilized, altough the enemies are Matari...
Well i actually cancelled my account because of the Alliances in 0.0. They just plain suck. BoB, IRON, D2, PA, ASCN they all lie to their members. It's hard to fight for something when you know you're being fed lies.
That's not entirely true. I've known a few very quality 0.0 organizations in my days in EVE (Huzzah Federation for example). Sadly, most of those organizations are dead because they didn't use exploits to gain either financial or tactical advantage.
Enter dark Ebonlore wil rule u all
just some points
hacker was right - bad for CCP
only char ban - bad for CCP ppl expected more
if Dev get fired now after this - Bad for CCP, show that CCP need to be put under pressure to take the "correct" decision
BestSigEver :P
Well seeing as how this is a business investigation and NOT a court of law, then yes, they have a right to use the information.
If a bunch of penile disadvantaged developers were cheating, then they should get the hammer. And CCP should be up front about it all.
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As for the statement about the largest alliances not feeding information to all of the corp members: I was a peon in a tiny corp under one of the smaller sub alliances in ASCN and didn't know where we were going to engage the enemy until the hour it was to happen. There is a reason only a few know what is going to happen and when. As with running a government during war, you don't release the location of troop movements to the media (and thus to your enemies). Not all members of an alliance are faithful (eg: spies). If you want to be involved in decisions, planning and strat then create/join a smaller corp and prove yourself to the larget alliances. It takes time to gain their trust when a fleet of billion/trillion isk capitial ships hangs in the balance. /two cents
looking over the posts made here and on eve online forums i cant help but laugh at you guys bashing Band Of Brothers. i had the same thing happen to a clan i started a few years ago on a old FPS game because we were that damn good people accused us of cheating. Its stupid that you cans cant believe that your ability to work as a team and your own individual play is not as good as you thought. so you go on a massive witch hunt (*on the top dogs*) so to speak.
your own inability to play the game properly dwells on abusing others and causing as much grief as you possibly can to make your way through eve and have fun.
now for my thoughts on what is going on with the dev issue. it does seem that there was indeed a dev in "BOB" that much is clear as keiron and the other devs / gms came to the decission of deleting the dev's characters. as for his misconduct, that is still in question and as for the community based players demanding information as to weather this is true or not is a joke from a business point of view that wouldnt happen. It may do though because for all fairness to CCP, this tarnishes thier name so it does seem they will try to show as much information as possible weather it is bad news or good news for both CCP & BOB.
i recently spoke with a few friends who play the game in different corps and alliances with regards to finding out more information about the T2 industry and which of those actually have T2 blueprints. from the information that i received it seems that D2 themselves have a lot of T2 bpos both alliance owned and player owned. are you going to do a witch hunt on them next? no i dont think so.
all i can do is laugh at you guys and hope that some day you may learn from your mistakes
I hope that the alligations made come clear soon so that people once again can resume what they enjoy most and thats playing the game and then CCP can once again continue working on their advertising to bring in more customers to play the game. as for those of you quitting the game, its your loss.
I'm going to sign up to play right now as i've heard some good things about this game regardless of the forum trashing so many of you seem to do.
I wasn't talking about not knowing where you're going until you get there i'm talking about outright lies but i wont get into it. I hope you enjoy your EVE experience and don't have to deal with what i had to. Stay away from IRON and D2 thats all i have to say.
Make a difference!
You don't even play and you're going to laugh at us because it has been found that BoB does have devs in it and has benefited from it and there has been other suspicious activity? that's amusing. Are you going to be laughing when CCP finds that most of these allegations are true? I can assure they are. And as far as BoB goes there are other Alliances just as good and dedicated as BoB. They've just been dealt blows by BoB under very suspicious circumstances.
By your 1 post i'd bet you do play EVE and you're a member of BoB that has made an account here to use the counter propaganda that BoB is more famous for than their combat exploits.
edit: Account made 2/7/7.. I'm just too good at sniffing out BoB bs after all these years of dealing with it in game HAHAHA i pwn you.
Make a difference!
what do you mean? They found that in fact there were devs in bob who let bob know they were devs. Action has been taken on what they've found so far. They aren't done looking. Now that they know BoB had devs in it that were in fact breaking the rules by letting people know they were CCP employees i'm sure they'll find more. Baseless? Seems to me they found the evidence to suggest just the opposite.
I said "most of the allegations". That one thing isn't really something that worry me.
If you're ever in a big 0.0 war against BoB and all your pos's go offline or 6 billion isk worth of resources are taken from an operational pos you'll understand. People always used to say it was BoB infiltration but i know from experience that in a few cases that would have been impossible and thats when people started whispering that there had to be devs involved with BoB. Now we find that there were in fact devs in BoB. I don't think they'll have to look too hard. Actually i think if they just tell the devs to come clean or clean out their desk they'll find the answers pretty fast.
first of all, omghi2u
Long time fella, hows tricks?
Secondly, from reports on Kugmantsuns or however his name is spelt, site, he claims that not only are certain devs in BoB, but these include T20, who made the T2 BPO lottery system, LeMonde, Kieron and Oveur. Now I don;t know weather this is true or not, but they are mearly alergations coming from his site.
Thirdly to everyone else about the Devs player acounts that got delete, thats not stricly true. From what I know that char has a name and avatar change and then goes right back into circulation.
actually no i dont, since i found out about this so called issue from a friend of mine that i was chatting to he said that the eve forums were getting beyond a joke so i thought i might as well check out the forums to see what kind of rubbish was being spouted.
goonswarm or if you prefer goonies seem to have a big issue with bob as do with a few others. maybe they got their cans kicked a few to many times and are just biting their nails down to find things to throw back in bobs face. maybe the allegations are true maybe their not. I myself would rather belief the actual words of a CCP representative rather then a novice game player.
self owned 4TL
sure.
Make a difference!
1) Bob getting help.
It seems that they have been very lucky in their wars with GS and ASCN. However with whats been raised in this thread and also the story behind the ASCN Titan being "probed" to death it seems that this is what people want to know about
2) The T2 lottery.
Granted I have no idea how this is supposed to run it does seem that the bigger groups get more. This is something that might have to be worked out.
3) No clear policy or guidelines on cheating.
I think that one is clear enough. There is no set way when someone cheats to know what path for the greaved to take. Granted this is a game where backstabbing is going to happen, but where does the game end and the business begin?
I listed these in the order in what people are talking about, and want answers too. Unfortunally it seems that the item that people want to know about, and it's starting to hit the gaming news sites like Blues news at www.bluesnews.com/cgi-bin/board.pl
This is a simple thing, people want answers or they are gone. There is no spin, no more simple truth then this.
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One more thing. I'm not against the Devs or GMs playing the game. That is not the problem here. The problem is that somewhere down the road someone did something they shouldn't of.
If a dev or devs for whatever reason doesn't like you they can ruin your hard drive so it doesn't boot. Harass you when you're playing by playing tricks on you. Making corpses with derogatory names with you in mind where you bank or hunt. Causing disconnects or zone crashes where you play. Especially if you're on a test server (with a low population) of a mmorpg. Yeah I know some of it can be random stuff but if you have all of the above happening it's not random. Dev's can be quite childish if offended by someone in game. It's a dark side of mmorpgs.
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DEFINITION OF REALITY: Graphics ok, Sound ok, Gold drops need more work...
I'm not surprised something like this happened. It was only a matter of time before a developer crossed the line and aided one of the larger alliances. This game inspires some of the deepest, most angst-ridden passions I've seen in an MMO. Especially in the large alliances. I think most devs would be hard-pressed to use their powers only for good, as it were. Canceling dev characters is like closing the barn door after the horses have escaped and the barn's burned down, although something had to be done to punish the devs involved.
I think if BoB did benefit in a material way those benefits should be taken away. That's only fair.
they should have reported the dev, no! they chose to abuse his powers!.
BOB ARE CHEATERS!
CCP will have to work hard to regain the trust of their community, that statement yesterday by Kieron was already known to most people and it aint good enough!
The investigation, was an internal one by non other than CCP staff, it should have been done by a 3rd party, after that statement yesterday by Kieron, whatever CCP say now, will be seen as lies.
CCP prefer BOB
Thx Kug for brining the light to our eyes (we knew already, just had no proof to point the finger)
When BOB left the North and PA there, they moved in Delve.
One of my friends (BOB corp member) said to me "PA didn't won the war. We are just moving to Delve now Blood will come there. It will be a rich area". One month later, Blood (NPC Pirate Faction) moved to Delve (as ingame Event).
I was Evol member for a period of few months. I was even planning to go to their camp in Denmark for holidays.
But i decide to give up my char to a friend and make a new one none knows about and play in peace.
Now in June, (in the period when the the gathering/holidays was), I decide to make a joke in the forums. I create a demo account with a brand new email (nothing to connect to my rl one) fake name etc. And I post that now BOB are on holidays is good oportunity to invade their space.
Few hours later I received on my MAIN email account an email from a BOB member asking me why I did such post. (They track my static IP).
After that I stop even looking EVE website or bothering about.
I don't accept such crap as paying customer.
I dont mind DEV's / GM's playing the game, it's only when they abuse their powers, that things will go wrong, as has happened here.
People here saing they quit, they have done it after this incident, wen they finished their tuturial, thous who say that left are probably alt accounts ,haters with 1 or 10 posts here.
No one with a good sence will quit EVE because of this, it wasnt CCP that failed, it was a DEV(human person), CCP posted on oficial forums if they find this guy is a shiter, he will not be a CCP member no more