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Dell Inspiron 9400 - Very, very bad!
Kutch
Member Posts: 8
I'm at a loss, and about to just sell the Vanguard collectors box on Ebay.
My system is a Dell Inspiron 9400.
Running on Windows Vista Ultimate.
It has 2 GB of 667 Mhz RAM
A dual core 2.0 Ghz intel CPU
ATI® MobilityTM RadeonTM X1400 256MB HyperMemoryTM
Looks pretty fancy, and runs pretty darned fast too. I've installed both Worlld of WarCraft as well as Final Fantasy XI and both games run smoothly in high detail mode. Resolution is typically your wide screen variant of 1280x720.
Vanguard Just doesen't work. Graphics are disrupted, jagged, and blinky, if I turn, half the world goes blue then back to regognizeable again. I fail to see how two so BASIC requirements are completely ignored by Brad McQuaid's team.. As I told my buddy, he must've hired the same poor sod that wrote the original EQ's graphics engine, he must be the son-in-law of someone important! Everyone needs the following to be PERFECT after game installation:
1) If you have a somewhat decent computer, you want smooth graphics
2) If you pay for a social mmo game, you give money, you'll want to be able to type and chat with your friends in your own language.. Brad repeats EQ mistake #1: ÆØÅ ä ö å æ ø å, etc are NOT an option in Vanguard. For those of you who shrug and say "Europe?", think of this: There are more Europeans on this planet than there are Americans.. Around twice as many, and with the € and common union, the standard of living throughout Europe is making it a more attactive market than USA is. but that's politics: )
I'll probably hang on to my copy for a week or so before Ebaying it away. I doubt Sigil will rewrite the gfx engine during that time, and I'm just not into starting another EQ experience. Anyone remember Coirnav in PoW and a 72 person raid before they bent over backwards to get the game running a wee bit better?
As far as I can tell, Vanguard is nothing but a halloween compilation of Everquest 1, built in debug mode.
My system is a Dell Inspiron 9400.
Running on Windows Vista Ultimate.
It has 2 GB of 667 Mhz RAM
A dual core 2.0 Ghz intel CPU
ATI® MobilityTM RadeonTM X1400 256MB HyperMemoryTM
Looks pretty fancy, and runs pretty darned fast too. I've installed both Worlld of WarCraft as well as Final Fantasy XI and both games run smoothly in high detail mode. Resolution is typically your wide screen variant of 1280x720.
Vanguard Just doesen't work. Graphics are disrupted, jagged, and blinky, if I turn, half the world goes blue then back to regognizeable again. I fail to see how two so BASIC requirements are completely ignored by Brad McQuaid's team.. As I told my buddy, he must've hired the same poor sod that wrote the original EQ's graphics engine, he must be the son-in-law of someone important! Everyone needs the following to be PERFECT after game installation:
1) If you have a somewhat decent computer, you want smooth graphics
2) If you pay for a social mmo game, you give money, you'll want to be able to type and chat with your friends in your own language.. Brad repeats EQ mistake #1: ÆØÅ ä ö å æ ø å, etc are NOT an option in Vanguard. For those of you who shrug and say "Europe?", think of this: There are more Europeans on this planet than there are Americans.. Around twice as many, and with the € and common union, the standard of living throughout Europe is making it a more attactive market than USA is. but that's politics: )
I'll probably hang on to my copy for a week or so before Ebaying it away. I doubt Sigil will rewrite the gfx engine during that time, and I'm just not into starting another EQ experience. Anyone remember Coirnav in PoW and a 72 person raid before they bent over backwards to get the game running a wee bit better?
As far as I can tell, Vanguard is nothing but a halloween compilation of Everquest 1, built in debug mode.
Comments
The 6800 Nvidia cards is probably where I would draw the line on "cards that you would want to use to play this game with."
Comparing the two (highlighted in blue) it would look a little something like this with Half Life 2.
www23.tomshardware.com/graphics.html
Granted the x1400 is a bit better than the x600, it is not by a terribly wide margin IMHO.
Someone mentioned that it might be a lack of dual core support in the game? That could be my problem
I'm going to piss a ton of people off and my comment is in general, but I'm not talking out of my butt as I've owned both in the past and know people who currently own ATI video products.
bottom line - no matter how fast they may claim to be, a video card is only as good as the drivers that run it and ATI is the worst on the market. Now I've not owned an ATI card for many many years mainly because I got sick and tired of a new game coming out and then having to wait for a driver update or a game patch to address the problems my ATI card had. 4 out of 5 games had this problem. Now it may not be as severe now as I'm stating it to be, but my father, god bless his wee little brain, still purchases ATI video cards because as he says are cheaper than Nvidia, but he cannot run Vanguard. Period. Its simply too slow to be playable.
Now me being the loving son I am sent him my old Nvidia 6000 series card and he now is playing with me with zero problems. So take it for what it is worth. If you look at most of the people, notice I said most not all, of the people having proformance issues are running an ATI card.
So in closing you'll need to make sure yo have the latest ATI drivers and/or wait for some type of patch to address your issues. Watch - there will be one soon.
No video card is adequate for Vanguard.
Just read some of the big website reviews on Vanguard. One website ran Vanguard with SLI 7800 cards and couldnt get good FPS.
You are right, whoever coded Vanguard is horrible. One of the worst graphical coding in any video game EVER. I can't even imagine any other game being so ridiculously draining on a system.... yet there are a TON o video games with better graphics than Vanguard.
I have a high-end system and I can run almost every game on max settings very smoothly. Vanguard? Nope, can't get more than 35 FPS without it getting horrible.
When a $3300+ computer can't play Vanguard very well, and Vanguard doesn't even look that good, you KNOW it has crappy coding.
It's not your gaming rig, it's Vanguard's crappy crappy crappy graphics, performance, and coding.
"Even though I can appreciate your answer, I still face the situation that I am able to run everything ELSE I throw at this computer without a hint of problems, which of course forces me to conclude that what Sigil is doing, is really only hurting themselves.
Someone mentioned that it might be a lack of dual core support in the game? That could be my problem"
Well said, the truth is spoken. The fact people can run ANY other game smoothly, yet struggle with Vanguard shows that Sigil has no idea hat its doing. When you make a game, especially an MMO (where people play IF their friends/guild/spouse/etc can play) but no one can play it, you lose millions of dollars.
They lose out on those without much money, those who dont care enough to upgrade, those who can play but their friends/spouse/guild/family can't, and all laptop users who CANT upgrade.
When you make an MMO, sure graphics are suppose to be good, but not so horribly coded that nobody can play your crappy game. The purpose is to make money anyways, at least for the producers, so you'd think they'd force them to make it runnable on any system while maintaining good graphics.
My comment is trash?
Then everyone else's comments must be as well.
The fact is that Vanguard is horribly coded and even high-end systems have trouble running it. Those people who claim they can "run it smoothly" don't realize that 20 FPS is not smooth. 60 FPS is where games should land on high-end systems.
http://pc.gamespy.com/pc/vanguard-saga-of-heroes/759481p1.html
Read reviews, it's a FACT that Vanguard is draining on the system, which is ridiculous for both an MMO and a video game. The graphics are not revolutionary, nor are they significantly better to take such drain on a system. Oblivion's graphics are both easier on a system AND better looking. So is LOTR's graphics. So are a lot of other video games that don't drain your system anywhere near as much.
You can say my opinion is wrong as much as you want, but the fact remains that it's true Vanguard is too draining on the player's system as a result of poor coding. Deny it all you want, you'll only be admitting to the world you're a Vanboi.
I have two 7800GTs (the first ones made, so they are by far the slowest) but I don't have issues really; and often have nearly 50-60fps most of the time. The only time it goes down to ~25fps is in Tursh if there 40-60 people running around.
Why were you even trying to get one of my buddy keys last night?
SLI support is obviously working if you are running two 7800 cards. You would not be getting 40-50 FPS with one 7800 card, unless your resolution and settings are at minimum. It's definitely definitely DEFINITELY because you have SLI 7800's. I guarantee you that they are BOTH running at max power.
Because I don't have performance issues on my computer. 35 FPS is playable with me.
It is pathetic because I should be able to get 60 FPS like I do in ANY OTHER GAME, but oh well, 35 FPS is fine.
Just because I know and speak the truth that Vanguard's graphics are horribly coded doesn't mean my system can't run the game. Not everyone talks about Vanguard's performance because they are bitter because they can't run it.
I run it absolutely fine, but I'm not going to lie about the game's poor performance.
I use settings that make the game look just like this:
www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/post/1175517#1175517
There must be something wrong with your "highend" system if your getting that low of FPS. I am running the game on:
AMD 64 X2 4200+
2x eVGA 7600GT 256MB Cards in SLI
2 gigs of DDR2 800 ram
That system is no where near top of the line and I get 60-70 FPS on balanced. on Highest I get around 30 FPS, but I don't need to run it on highest to have it look good.
Currently playing:
LOTRO & WoW (not much WoW though because Mines of Moria rocks!!!!)
Looking Foward too:
Bioware games (Dragon Age & Star Wars The Old Republic)
This dell laptop is actually blazing fast, and runs most my games in pretty high resolution on full effects. For Final Fantasy XI, for example, I can run the game in 1440 x 900 with full effects on, and the computer doesen't mind. (my desktop is running in 1920x1200pix)
The only game I have an issue with is Vanguard - go figure. The game and interface behaves so much like EQ that one HAS to compare them (to the poster that complained about me comparing the game to older software).
Why is vanguard not allowing the use of unicode fonts? wide strings have been "the shit" for a VERY long time now. When I write 'Æ', I want to see 'Æ' in every fricken application that I can type in. You can't even accentuate in Vanguard, i.e. 'é' is not something that you can write in game. This is EXACTLY as it was in EQ. WoW handles it, as do most of the other "more modern" mmo's. EQ was so fresh and so new when it came that it was OK to demand a US keyboard only, and people would have to live without their national characters. Today, you can no longer insult people's languages by denying them to write in it.
Speaking of "modern" is also something you'll want to be careful with. The gfx engine of Vanguard isn't 1 year old. It's more like.. 3-4 years old, which dates it back to around directX 8. Remember that Brad has been bragging about a "revolutionary" graphics system for Vanguard ever since he started Sigil. I have still not yet read a line of WHAT this revolutionary graphics system consists of. After buying the game, I sure as heck can't SEE what the fuss is all about.
To me, Vanguard is a flop. Everquest was MUD based, and any graphics at all on top of the popular MUD genre was a huuuge lift to the players. Today's MMO's must compete on all levels. Why do you think WoW is so popular? My guess is:
- You can type and play in your own language, thus playing with english-challenged friends is not a big problem
- Graphics are simple, yet effective on low end systems
- I never did anything to "tweak" WoW. It just worked right out of the box
Hard core players have the patience to tweak computer and ini file settings, but they are not the bread and butter for Sigil. It is the MASS of potential players, most of which are casual, that decide the fate of V:SOH. In that respect, unless something drastc happens , I predict a rather small player base for this one, a few hundred thousand active players at the most.