When devs play with normal acocunts they are normal players in my eyes. They're just like you and me, having no advantage worth mentioning a three year old vet doesn't have but just don't pay witht heir creditcard but with their dedication tot he game.
yes. When devs play with normal acocunts they are normal players in my eyes. They're just like you and me, having no advantage worth mentioning a three year old vet doesn't have but just don't pay witht heir creditcard but with their dedication tot he game.
I have a feeling you would say that considering a dev gave your alliance like 10 bpos.
There is a reason that in a real life lottery, the people who organize it and it's employees are not allowed to enter. It's not to prevent them from cheating. It's to give the impression that everything will be absolutely fair.
I'd like to see CCP put restrictions on what devs can and cannot access to prevent as misconduct as possible. Just my opinions.
I'm having no ties to BoB but thinks that dev's playing the game in a normal way should be able to join in every aspect of the game as normal players.
However, in this case where this dev got outed so should his bpo's... what CCP now have a problem with is to explain what really happend, main question to eve-players are ... "did this dev get the bpo's in a normal way or not"..
We will see what Kieron is replying to this later today or the next few days, I can atleast say that my future in this game is heavily depended on his reaction.
Well if a gm/dev using that account to get intel, or use tools , in order to take advantage of his position as gm, and provide that info to his copr or normal account, what makes u believe that he is not gonna use whatever he has to get some t2 bpos too?
if you are cheater, you cheat no matter what accoutn you are using.
kieron and ccp headmasters have a company that need to be clean, be productive, gain customers, it is real life
gms are employees, and sometimes some of them usinng their job in order to be powerfull within the game, cousing problems to CCP and customer policies. Should be banned, fired (all those who are involved)
In order to have a healthy company, and the game clean and fair to everyone, Devs shouldnt have accounts at all, in fact they should sign that in their contract.
with 100.000 subscribers, we are talking about a lot of money per month, why should ccp risk their profile becouse of some dickheads
real life has proved that gms/dev do interfere and do cheat, now in eve, few years ago in lineage, prob in other games too.
I would have to say no. The risk of one or more Dev abusing the power is too great. As well, anytime someone stirs up a controversy, CCP is gonna be in a tough position to defend themselves.
TBH, Dev playing his/her own game is really a two edged sword. It does allow the devs to understand the game much better... but the potential for unethical behavior is very real. Especially like in Eve... Eve is not like WOW... in WOW, most of the items can be obtained after some reasonable hard work... this is not the case with EVE & it's BPOs.
I voted yes because I like the idea of the DEVELOPERS playing their game and participating in all aspects of their game. Like someone said above, it is definitely a two-edged sword. I feel that the Dev's need to play their own game to keep from losing touch with the playerbase. That then leaves us having to trust the Dev's. We have to hope that they will not use their obvious knowledge of things in game to their advantage or to the advantage of any of the corps/alliances they are involved in.
That's why I like CCP and their game EVE Online. I do trust them and they do police themselves. People are going to screw up because that is what people do -- shit happens. I think CCP does a good job and regardless of the chances that there will be foul play I still feel more comfortable knowing that the Dev's are in fact playing their game and not just blindly running the game.
Originally posted by Rod_B yes. When devs play with normal acocunts they are normal players in my eyes. They're just like you and me, having no advantage worth mentioning a three year old vet doesn't have but just don't pay with their credit card but with their dedication to the game.
This bears repeating and Rod doesn't say it because of his corp or alliance, but because it's the truth.
It seems the EVE Community has lost 90% of it's common sense lately that they blindly believe every nonsense drama queen exaggeration any hacker spews forth.
I find it hillarious how much Drama is going on over a couple devs identities being discovered.
Frankly I could care less if Dev's play. I was a GM in another game and played all the time. Nobody ever knew I was a GM and I was actually in one of the major guild's on the server I played on. Nobody knew I was a GM except the other GM's (3 of whom were in the guild).
We never gave any favors or used our "GM" characters to give our guild any unfair advantages and I'm SURE these Devs are the same. Other than a bunch of slanderous remarks by players with "Bob Envy" I have yet to see any proof that these Devs did anything more wrong than letting their true identities get out.
CCP has stated that they checked logs in the database as thoroughly as possible and ALL the revealed dev characters have been deleted. I am happy with that response as it is firm, fair and adequate to the situation.
No, I'm not in BoB... matter of fact we're hostile to BoB. But I'm also not a big fan of conspiracy theory drama queens.
"A ship-of-war is the best ambassador." - Oliver Cromwell
Back when I was a dev on MxO, we were encouraged to play the game as well. This meant participating in events, joining crews and factions (our version of guilds and alliances) and all the rest. We didn't get any special treatment that regular players didn't get, and really, unless I told you who I was, you'd never know me from anyone else.
There's no reason for EVE to restrict their devs from participating like any other player.
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When devs play with normal acocunts they are normal players in my eyes. They're just like you and me, having no advantage worth mentioning a three year old vet doesn't have but just don't pay witht heir creditcard but with their dedication tot he game.
There is a reason that in a real life lottery, the people who organize it and it's employees are not allowed to enter. It's not to prevent them from cheating. It's to give the impression that everything will be absolutely fair.
I'd like to see CCP put restrictions on what devs can and cannot access to prevent as misconduct as possible. Just my opinions.
I'm having no ties to BoB but thinks that dev's playing the game in a normal way should be able to join in every aspect of the game as normal players.
However, in this case where this dev got outed so should his bpo's... what CCP now have a problem with is to explain what really happend, main question to eve-players are ... "did this dev get the bpo's in a normal way or not"..
We will see what Kieron is replying to this later today or the next few days, I can atleast say that my future in this game is heavily depended on his reaction.
Well if a gm/dev using that account to get intel, or use tools , in order to take advantage of his position as gm, and provide that info to his copr or normal account, what makes u believe that he is not gonna use whatever he has to get some t2 bpos too?
if you are cheater, you cheat no matter what accoutn you are using.
kieron and ccp headmasters have a company that need to be clean, be productive, gain customers, it is real life
gms are employees, and sometimes some of them usinng their job in order to be powerfull within the game, cousing problems to CCP and customer policies. Should be banned, fired (all those who are involved)
In order to have a healthy company, and the game clean and fair to everyone, Devs shouldnt have accounts at all, in fact they should sign that in their contract.
with 100.000 subscribers, we are talking about a lot of money per month, why should ccp risk their profile becouse of some dickheads
real life has proved that gms/dev do interfere and do cheat, now in eve, few years ago in lineage, prob in other games too.
I would have to say no. The risk of one or more Dev abusing the power is too great. As well, anytime someone stirs up a controversy, CCP is gonna be in a tough position to defend themselves.
TBH, Dev playing his/her own game is really a two edged sword. It does allow the devs to understand the game much better... but the potential for unethical behavior is very real. Especially like in Eve... Eve is not like WOW... in WOW, most of the items can be obtained after some reasonable hard work... this is not the case with EVE & it's BPOs.
That's why I like CCP and their game EVE Online. I do trust them and they do police themselves. People are going to screw up because that is what people do -- shit happens. I think CCP does a good job and regardless of the chances that there will be foul play I still feel more comfortable knowing that the Dev's are in fact playing their game and not just blindly running the game.
This bears repeating and Rod doesn't say it because of his corp or alliance, but because it's the truth.
It seems the EVE Community has lost 90% of it's common sense lately that they blindly believe every nonsense drama queen exaggeration any hacker spews forth.
Frankly I could care less if Dev's play. I was a GM in another game and played all the time. Nobody ever knew I was a GM and I was actually in one of the major guild's on the server I played on. Nobody knew I was a GM except the other GM's (3 of whom were in the guild).
We never gave any favors or used our "GM" characters to give our guild any unfair advantages and I'm SURE these Devs are the same. Other than a bunch of slanderous remarks by players with "Bob Envy" I have yet to see any proof that these Devs did anything more wrong than letting their true identities get out.
CCP has stated that they checked logs in the database as thoroughly as possible and ALL the revealed dev characters have been deleted. I am happy with that response as it is firm, fair and adequate to the situation.
No, I'm not in BoB... matter of fact we're hostile to BoB. But I'm also not a big fan of conspiracy theory drama queens.
"A ship-of-war is the best ambassador." - Oliver Cromwell
There's no reason for EVE to restrict their devs from participating like any other player.
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When I go, I want to leave a crater, not lie in one.
Former Matrix: Online dev. Been there, done that.