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Would the game be playable on my archaic system?

Ok, here's what I'm running. Get all the laughs out now cuz I dont want you to be too light-headed to answer my inquiry.




AMD Athlon 64 2800+ 1.8GHz

Nvidia GeForce FX5900 Ultra w/ 256M RAM

1GB DDR1 333 RAM Single Channel





Done yet?...Can you breathe now? Ok, so obviously I'm much in need of an upgrade. In fact, I'm planning on upgrading to a 2.4GHz Athlon 64 x2, 2x GeForce 7800GT's running SLI, and 1g of DDR2 800 RAM in a few months. What I wanted to know, though, is do you think I'd be able to run Vanguard on low settings with my current setup, or should I wait until I upgrade to get the game?



I know I meet the minimal requirements to play the game, but as we all know, minimal doesn't always mean playable.
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  • LukainLukain Member UncommonPosts: 591

    Simple answer is No!  ow yes you will be able to start the game & maybe even move around  but playable  No .. maybe in a year  if they decide at all to fix the code , then again in a year it may not even be around ..

     

     

  • ThamorisThamoris Member UncommonPosts: 686

    I think you can play it on that rig...but it would have to be on the minimal graphic settings. Depending on your tolerance for some lag and lack of detail....it may or may not still be enjoyable. I don't require alot of eye candy to enjoy a game ...soooo for me...I would consider it playable on that rig.

    Despite what people say about the code...it's not broken. You will hear that mostly from people that thought they had a killer rig and got their egos stepped on when they tried to play VG. The game was made to play great on your standard rigs a year or two from now. It's future proofed graphics wise. Silgil continues to find ways to streamline the game in such a way to allow lower end rigs ( by VG standards.anything older than a couple of months ) to play the game smoothly with high graphical detail.

    In a year ..with continued optimizeation of the game and with the steady decrease in hardware prices...this will be a non-issue.

  • Terminus-EstTerminus-Est Member UncommonPosts: 352
    There is no way that you should play Vanguard with that computer. You *might* be able to run it on the very lowest settings, but then it will look like crap, and you will die again and again from the graphics lag. You would really be better waiting for a game that you can run satisfactorally (like LOTRO).
  • FrostWyrmFrostWyrm Member Posts: 1,036
    Well the lack of aesthetics would only be temporary, so that wouldnt bother me too terribly. What really concerns me is whether or not framerate issues, or missing pixels/polies would affect gameplay. If I'll be stuck watching a slideshow of the action, or perhaps having my rear handed to me because I didnt see my health drop to 50% until I was already a corpse. That sort of thing.



    I'm really more interested in trying the game out for myself, after reading all the mixed reviews. I've been looking forward to this game for some time and am really anxious to see if it delivers what was promised, so no, I'm not going to play LOTR; please dont try to advertise it to me because I'm just not interested.



    I enjoyed the old EQ more than any other MMO I've played to date, and unlike many of those who got into the genre along with WoW, I actually prefer that old-school immersion and difficulty which is why I'm hoping Sigil makes good on their promises. Dont get me wrong, I'm not some fanboi or WoW hater, or anything like that; I'm just not into the same thing that generation of MMORPG'er is into.
  • gimpusmonsgimpusmons Member Posts: 60
    If you can't afford to at least upgrade your RAM to 2GB I suggest waiting for a free trial to test the game.  I'm sure it won't take long for SOE to get one going now that they've started their ad campaign.
  • ThamorisThamoris Member UncommonPosts: 686
    Originally posted by SDFrost

    Well the lack of aesthetics would only be temporary, so that wouldnt bother me too terribly. What really concerns me is whether or not framerate issues, or missing pixels/polies would affect gameplay. If I'll be stuck watching a slideshow of the action, or perhaps having my rear handed to me because I didnt see my health drop to 50% until I was already a corpse. That sort of thing.



    There are alot of variables with this question. If your system is really clean and your connection is really good ....I would guess you would be fine on minimal settings with about 10 fps in town and 20 fps out of town.

    I'm on a amd 3500, Nvid 6600, 1 gig ram....on a fairly junked up , family used cpu and it get 10-15 fps and heavy lag spikes in towns and 25-30 fps with occasional lag spikes out of town and in combat. My graphis are set to high performance with the grass turned off. Game still looks great to me. Draw distance is good ...trees and mobs are well detailed for a good distance. I run into big problems only in really busy towns at peak hours ..where my fps can drop below 10 at times. Another gig or ram for you..and me really..would help things alot.

  • FrostWyrmFrostWyrm Member Posts: 1,036
    Originally posted by gimpusmons

    If you can't afford to at least upgrade your RAM to 2GB I suggest waiting for a free trial to test the game.  I'm sure it won't take long for SOE to get one going now that they've started their ad campaign.

    Yeah, I'd like 2gigs of ram, problem is, thanks to the big switchover to DDR2 RAM as a standard, I cant just add on to what I've already got. If I want to upgrade one thing, I'm forced to upgrade everything else with it pretty much, and it's kinda squeezing my budget as is. Of course I could still get it even further down the line, but at the moment, 1gig is the most I can afford in my upgrade.
  • TallynTallyn Member UncommonPosts: 217
    Originally posted by SDFrost

    Ok, here's what I'm running. Get all the laughs out now cuz I dont want you to be too light-headed to answer my inquiry.



    AMD Athlon 64 2800+ 1.8GHz

    Nvidia GeForce FX5900 Ultra w/ 256M RAM

    1GB DDR1 333 RAM Single Channel





    Done yet?...Can you breathe now? Ok, so obviously I'm much in need of an upgrade. In fact, I'm planning on upgrading to a 2.4GHz Athlon 64 x2, 2x GeForce 7800GT's running SLI, and 1g of DDR2 800 RAM in a few months. What I wanted to know, though, is do you think I'd be able to run Vanguard on low settings with my current setup, or should I wait until I upgrade to get the game?



    I know I meet the minimal requirements to play the game, but as we all know, minimal doesn't always mean playable.
    My PC has very similar settings except with another gig of ram. I average around 25 to 35 FPS in and out of towns on High Quality with a few in-game settings tweaked. I would NOT recommend Vanguard if you don't have 2 gigs of RAM though, even if it's just cheap ram since there is an easy way to clear the memory cache whenever you want to in-game.



    As far as going SLI, you'd be much safer going with one 8800GT since the game isn't optimized for SLI yet.



    Good luck, hope to see in Telon... eventually!
  • AeronisAeronis Member Posts: 231
    Originally posted by SDFrost

    Ok, here's what I'm running. Get all the laughs out now cuz I dont want you to be too light-headed to answer my inquiry.



    AMD Athlon 64 2800+ 1.8GHz

    Nvidia GeForce FX5900 Ultra w/ 256M RAM

    1GB DDR1 333 RAM Single Channel





    Done yet?...Can you breathe now? Ok, so obviously I'm much in need of an upgrade. In fact, I'm planning on upgrading to a 2.4GHz Athlon 64 x2, 2x GeForce 7800GT's running SLI, and 1g of DDR2 800 RAM in a few months. What I wanted to know, though, is do you think I'd be able to run Vanguard on low settings with my current setup, or should I wait until I upgrade to get the game?



    I know I meet the minimal requirements to play the game, but as we all know, minimal doesn't always mean playable.
    You could easily play the game. It just wouldn't look as good.


  • bonobotheorybonobotheory Member UncommonPosts: 1,007
    I wouldn't even try on that system. I have:



    Athlon 64 4000  (2.41 GHz)

    GeForce 7800GT

    2GB RAM



    And if there are more than two or three other players on the screen, my framerate drops into the single digits, even when I'm on the lowest graphics settings. Wait a few months - by the time you've built your new system, they'll have hopefully fixed the code, and you should be able to play Vanguard on medium settings
  • TallynTallyn Member UncommonPosts: 217
    Originally posted by bonobotheory

    I wouldn't even try on that system. I have:



    Athlon 64 4000  (2.41 GHz)

    GeForce 7800GT

    2GB RAM



    And if there are more than two or three other players on the screen, my framerate drops into the single digits, even when I'm on the lowest graphics settings. Wait a few months - by the time you've built your new system, they'll have hopefully fixed the code, and you should be able to play Vanguard on medium settings
    Wow, something is wrong there.



    Have you tried toning down the shader settings? If you have, sounds like you need to update your drivers or try defraging. My specs are a step down from that (3100+ and a 7600GT) and I can healthily play in the 20s to 30s with settings on High Qual.



    I don't see why you should be taking such a performance hit because of the code when I have the same brands and just lesser hardware.



    Then again, I could be wrong.
  • kattjakattja Member Posts: 112
    Originally posted by bonobotheory

    I wouldn't even try on that system. I have:



    Athlon 64 4000  (2.41 GHz)

    GeForce 7800GT

    2GB RAM



    And if there are more than two or three other players on the screen, my framerate drops into the single digits, even when I'm on the lowest graphics settings.


    I have a first-generation 7800GT (the later models were sped up drastically) and I don't even come close to that kind of performance; and I run with medium-high settings.  ~20-25 in town (with 60 people on screen)  35-60 (avg 45) outdoor.  Processor is 2.2GHz AMD.



    Here are most of my settings (at the end) and some pictures of the results of those settings.



    www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/post/1175517#1175517
  • YukkioneYukkione Member Posts: 618
    Originally posted by bonobotheory

    I wouldn't even try on that system. I have:



    Athlon 64 4000  (2.41 GHz)

    GeForce 7800GT

    2GB RAM



    And if there are more than two or three other players on the screen, my framerate drops into the single digits, even when I'm on the lowest graphics settings. Wait a few months - by the time you've built your new system, they'll have hopefully fixed the code, and you should be able to play Vanguard on medium settings
    The OP could get a taste of gameplay mechanics on his system if he follows the tweak guide on Silkyvenom... It wouldnt be enjoyable for long term play probably. Just a taste. Also while in game using the /flush command will clear out old memory residue. You might want to seek a premium edition buyer who has an extra trial key to give you so you can try it free.



    As to this poster Bono.... I would say you dont have your system set up correctly . You should be getting excellent frame rates. The code really isnt broken as you state. the game pushes more polygons and textures than any MMORPG out there. It's meant to look good years into the future. Not understanding how to set up your system is not an indication of bad code.
  • CymdaiCymdai Member UncommonPosts: 1,043
    Try and understand that there's still a lot of problems that haven't been explained yet.



    If you'll notice, a lot of players here have nearly identical specs on their rig, yet DRAMATICALLY different performance overall.



    I would advise waiting for a free trial. No sense is subtracting 50 bucks away from your 1 gig upgrade fund for a game you might not even be able to play.

    Waiting for something fresh to arrive on the MMO scene...

  • bonobotheorybonobotheory Member UncommonPosts: 1,007
    Originally posted by Tallyn



    Wow, something is wrong there.



    Have you tried toning down the shader settings? If you have, sounds like you need to update your drivers or try defraging. My specs are a step down from that (3100+ and a 7600GT) and I can healthily play in the 20s to 30s with settings on High Qual.



    I don't see why you should be taking such a performance hit because of the code when I have the same brands and just lesser hardware.



    Then again, I could be wrong. Yep. I have the latest drivers (installed 'em yesterday), defragged, applied the settings tweaks in the sticky post at the top of this forum.



    It's great when I'm soloing, and there are only a few other people on the screen, but grouping is out of the question, and Three Rivers Village is a slideshow. The only thing that's given me decent framerates is turning off the sound. But I'm not going to play a game with no sound.


  • bonobotheorybonobotheory Member UncommonPosts: 1,007
    Originally posted by Yukkione

    As to this poster Bono.... I would say you dont have your system set up correctly . You should be getting excellent frame rates. The code really isnt broken as you state. the game pushes more polygons and textures than any MMORPG out there. It's meant to look good years into the future. Not understanding how to set up your system is not an indication of bad code.
    "Fixed" was a poor choice of words. "Optimized" would be more accurate - they've already admitted that they're still tweaking the game to improve framerates. Yes, it's designed to reach its peak a year or two from now, but it's also supposed to be playable right now. And for me, it just isn't.



    As for my system, I'd appreciate any info you can give me on setting things up correctly. My copy is supposed to be delivered on Tuesday, and I don't want to tell the UPS man to take it back. I want to play this game so badly, I deleted my "blah blah you're wrong and I'm right" post and replaced it with this simple request for help. What could be set up wrong on my box? What can I change to make this game work for me?
  • mmcguire2mmcguire2 Member Posts: 310
    Originally posted by SDFrost

    Ok, here's what I'm running. Get all the laughs out now cuz I dont want you to be too light-headed to answer my inquiry.



    AMD Athlon 64 2800+ 1.8GHz

    Nvidia GeForce FX5900 Ultra w/ 256M RAM

    1GB DDR1 333 RAM Single Channel





    Done yet?...Can you breathe now? Ok, so obviously I'm much in need of an upgrade. In fact, I'm planning on upgrading to a 2.4GHz Athlon 64 x2, 2x GeForce 7800GT's running SLI, and 1g of DDR2 800 RAM in a few months. What I wanted to know, though, is do you think I'd be able to run Vanguard on low settings with my current setup, or should I wait until I upgrade to get the game?



    I know I meet the minimal requirements to play the game, but as we all know, minimal doesn't always mean playable.
    First, SHUT UP.



    second, My system

    AMD XP 2100+ <--- doesn't meet game specs

    ATI 9800 PRO 128

    1GB RAM



    Your system will run the game beter then mine, and I have no issues with the way my game runs
  • FrostWyrmFrostWyrm Member Posts: 1,036
    Originally posted by kattja

    Originally posted by bonobotheory

    I wouldn't even try on that system. I have:



    Athlon 64 4000  (2.41 GHz)

    GeForce 7800GT

    2GB RAM



    And if there are more than two or three other players on the screen, my framerate drops into the single digits, even when I'm on the lowest graphics settings.


    I have a first-generation 7800GT (the later models were sped up drastically) and I don't even come close to that kind of performance; and I run with medium-high settings.  ~20-25 in town (with 60 people on screen)  35-60 (avg 45) outdoor.  Processor is 2.2GHz AMD.



    Here are most of my settings (at the end) and some pictures of the results of those settings.



    www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/post/1175517#1175517





    Those are nice screens. You say you have only one 7800GT? After reading some of the earlier posts here, I was thinking of starting off with a single 7800GT instead of 2 running SLI, and pick up another gig of RAM in place of the other. Not sure which would benefit me more for this game, though. Truthfully, I'm not sure how much benefit running 2 vid cards SLI is over a single card of the same type period. I've checked out a few bench charts and have also considered dual 6800GS' to save a bit of cash. Anyway, I still need to do a bit more research before making a decision.




  • YukkioneYukkione Member Posts: 618
    Originally posted by SDFrost





    Those are nice screens. You say you have only one 7800GT? After reading some of the earlier posts here, I was thinking of starting off with a single 7800GT instead of 2 running SLI, and pick up another gig of RAM in place of the other. Not sure which would benefit me more for this game, though. Truthfully, I'm not sure how much benefit running 2 vid cards SLI is over a single card of the same type period. I've checked out a few bench charts and have also considered dual 6800GS' to save a bit of cash. Anyway, I still need to do a bit more research before making a decision.



    SLI is not in the  game code yet as I understand. Soon though I suspect. I would go for the better single card and more ram.
  • VolkmarVolkmar Member UncommonPosts: 2,501
    Originally posted by SDFrost

    Ok, here's what I'm running. Get all the laughs out now cuz I dont want you to be too light-headed to answer my inquiry.



    AMD Athlon 64 2800+ 1.8GHz

    Nvidia GeForce FX5900 Ultra w/ 256M RAM

    1GB DDR1 333 RAM Single Channel





    Done yet?...Can you breathe now? Ok, so obviously I'm much in need of an upgrade. In fact, I'm planning on upgrading to a 2.4GHz Athlon 64 x2, 2x GeForce 7800GT's running SLI, and 1g of DDR2 800 RAM in a few months. What I wanted to know, though, is do you think I'd be able to run Vanguard on low settings with my current setup, or should I wait until I upgrade to get the game?



    I know I meet the minimal requirements to play the game, but as we all know, minimal doesn't always mean playable.

     

    mmmh. the giga of ddr2 ram won't do you much better than your current ram. Now i don't know what mobo you have, but it is prolly a slot 939. Now, i understand it is smart to change motherboard especially if you are planning to upgrade your whole comp, but maybe you can make couple calculations, not buy the new mobo, see if you can get a better processor for your old one (or keep that one, processor is almost the least thing nowadays), get a better card and 2 giga of rams, yes normal DDR work just fine.

    These advices are purely technical... :D

    "If you give a man a fish, you feed him for a day, if you teach him how to fish, you feed him for a lifetime"



  • Terminus-EstTerminus-Est Member UncommonPosts: 352
    Well, either people on this thread are lying, or we have very differing view on 'playable'. I have a 3.2GHz P4, with 2GB RAM and a GF 7800GS, and my performance is lousy. If I set the game to high performance the game looks like crap. If I set it to medium (that is starting with everything at highest and reducing until the game is 'playable') I find I can get about 24fps out of town. However, this goes down to about 10fps when there is a lot of activity (grouping seems to be a no-no) and I get frequent hitching with a 5 second freeze. (I have defragged, intalled all the latest drivers etc ad nausiam.)

    As to the 'hardcore' nature of the game, it isn't really. Levelling is slower than WoW (and EQ2 after all the changes) but so what? That doesn't make it hard, or even a challenge. It is not a challenge to spend hours trying to level your character - it is a challenge if it requires some sort of intelligence or skill. Vanguard doesn't. The mobs are incredibly easy to kill, and it is pretty hard to die. Even the grouped mobs are easy  (when in a group) - so much so, that  grouping becomes very chaotic, as the tank tries to pul everything he can see at once to make things faster (and no - he doesn't die, since healing is so overpowered).



    Since you basically only die if you are careless, this makes exploration very easy. But surprisingly it seems that the 'hardcore' players don't like to explore. After 2 weeks into the game my level 10 cleric alt was making server wide discoveries for being the first character to explore an area.



    Diplomacy is a joke - it is basically a card game which you can win pretty much every time once you have the system sussed. In fact, the only reason you might be blocked by a diplo quest is because you don't meet the requirements to speak to the guy.



    The game is very buggy, but one should really expect that since it is stil in its first month since release. However, I must say that my main impedence to advancing is bugs. It is frustrating to travel half an hour to find that you can't complete the quest due to bugs.



    Having said all that, my main is still <20 so maybe it becomes more challenging (in a good way) later. And if they can optimize the code to make it more playable, then it could be a good game. That is a big 'if' though, especially since the official statement was that in a year everyone will have a rig good enough to play the game.
  • raven5260raven5260 Member Posts: 22
    I have a similar system...Do not buy this game...I tried it with the pre order,  it did start but it was completely unplayable. which is disapointing for me. See that i was really looking forword to it,
  • mwbreurmwbreur Member Posts: 84

    I haven't seen this game yet, but the screenshots aren't that "amazing" to me it looks like EQ2 but "less pretty"?

    Can anyone post a screenshot of how it looks like for you?

    I can play EQ2 at almost maxed setting with :

    Amd 64 -(2.4Ghz) 4000+, 2048Mb DDR400, Radeon X1900XTX, if this can run EQ2 (Gothic3/Elderscrolls4) at good quality and still playable why would V:SOH be any different? or is it just a piece of shit coding job?

  • TommyKHartTommyKHart Member UncommonPosts: 294

    It all depend on what kind of performance you can put up with. Some ppl can't even stand the performace with the newst nvidia card. Some ppl can put up with it on the same kind of card as you.

    You probally have to put all the settings on low.

  • ghoul31ghoul31 Member Posts: 1,955

    I have a AMD 3200 with 2 gigs of RAM , and I had  a  Nvidia 5200 videocard

    I was getting 1 FPS even on the lowest settings. I couldn't even move.

    I upgraded to a Nvidia 7900GS and the game plays fine now

     

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