I recently bought an iMac and want to play a good mmo. I know WoW is an option but I'm honestly burnt out on that game. Do you guys have any suggestions? I have no idea where to start looking.
The best thing you can do is install boot camp on your mac so you can run windows and play them that way.
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Isn't there some kind of emulation or windows API layer software that lets you play native Windows games on the mac? I've heard of more than one such solution, but I'm a bit hard-pressed to give you details as somebody who plays almost exclusively on the PC.
IMHO no one should buy a Mac with the primary goal to play games. Apple computers are ment first for programming purposes. (Yeah it is strange, most PC games are created and programmed on Apple computers.). The Sony computers are the best for gaming because of Sony having an almost 100% self sufficient circle. They make software, hardware, games, chips, recordable and playback media, as well as music and movies. Their computers are built with the intention of interacting with all Sony has to offer.
If more Apple users got together, and voiced their concerns, perhaps more games would be on purposly made for Apples from the ground up. The Apple OS is far superior to everything else since it is Linux based. Making this its main attraction. A computer that is built from the ground up to use a Linux based OS.
Or if apple wasnt so busy sniffing its own farts, it might actualy program its playschool inspired OS to work with the majority of a mulit billion dollar gaming market.
IMHO no one should buy a Mac with the primary goal to play games. Apple computers are ment first for programming purposes. (Yeah it is strange, most PC games are created and programmed on Apple computers.). The Sony computers are the best for gaming because of Sony having an almost 100% self sufficient circle. They make software, hardware, games, chips, recordable and playback media, as well as music and movies. Their computers are built with the intention of interacting with all Sony has to offer.
If more Apple users got together, and voiced their concerns, perhaps more games would be on purposly made for Apples from the ground up. The Apple OS is far superior to everything else since it is Linux based. Making this its main attraction. A computer that is built from the ground up to use a Linux based OS.
"Apple computers are ment first for programming purposes. (Yeah it is strange, most PC games are created and programmed on Apple computers.)"
what are you talking about? I dont think you know anything about programming if you beleive this. 99% of PC devs use visual studios which is only available on windows... i dunno where u got that. Ive never ever seen a dev job require MAC experience for job applicants. The Game dev place i worked at had 1 MAC in the entire office and it was disassembled in the back corner.
IMHO no one should buy a Mac with the primary goal to play games. Apple computers are ment first for programming purposes. (Yeah it is strange, most PC games are created and programmed on Apple computers.). The Sony computers are the best for gaming because of Sony having an almost 100% self sufficient circle. They make software, hardware, games, chips, recordable and playback media, as well as music and movies. Their computers are built with the intention of interacting with all Sony has to offer.
If more Apple users got together, and voiced their concerns, perhaps more games would be on purposly made for Apples from the ground up. The Apple OS is far superior to everything else since it is Linux based. Making this its main attraction. A computer that is built from the ground up to use a Linux based OS.
Not to start a Mac Vs WIndows war but where did you hear about games being programmed on Mac? I know most games use DirectX which is a Windows SDK(which, after a worthwhile market of course, is probably the second biggest reason why games are programmed for Windows) and considering Mac OS X only supports a limited amount of hardware, wouldn't a company programming a Windows game want a good deal more in hardware variety to work with?
and I say "Windows" and not PC because PC is just an acronym for, as we all know, "Personal Computers". The only real difference we are talking about here is the Operating System.
There's probably even a bigger market for Linux games than Mac. I do agree that OS X is indeed a superior OS, maybe Mac should enhance hardware support to be on-par with Windows and Linux. There would definitely be a larger OS X userbase if you didn't have to buy a Mac to be able to use the OS.
Honestly I think Linux is the best OS out there, in particular Fedora Core because it's friggen free. If gaming wasn't such a big deal to me I would go Fedora before OS X. Main reason being I wouldn't have to buy a whole new computer just to use it.
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"Apple computers are ment first for programming purposes. (Yeah it is strange, most PC games are created and programmed on Apple computers.)" what are you talking about? I dont think you know anything about programming if you beleive this. 99% of PC devs use visual studios which is only available on windows... i dunno where u got that. Ive never ever seen a dev job require MAC experience for job applicants. The Game dev place i worked at had 1 MAC in the entire office and it was disassembled in the back corner.
I think he might be one of those fanatic Mac zealots :P. I'm completely open minded though, if he has statistics or experience to back this up I'm willing to hear it.
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IMHO no one should buy a Mac with the primary goal to play games. Apple computers are ment first for programming purposes. (Yeah it is strange, most PC games are created and programmed on Apple computers.). The Sony computers are the best for gaming because of Sony having an almost 100% self sufficient circle. They make software, hardware, games, chips, recordable and playback media, as well as music and movies. Their computers are built with the intention of interacting with all Sony has to offer.
If more Apple users got together, and voiced their concerns, perhaps more games would be on purposly made for Apples from the ground up. The Apple OS is far superior to everything else since it is Linux based. Making this its main attraction. A computer that is built from the ground up to use a Linux based OS.
"Apple computers are ment first for programming purposes. (Yeah it is strange, most PC games are created and programmed on Apple computers.)"
what are you talking about? I dont think you know anything about programming if you beleive this. 99% of PC devs use visual studios which is only available on windows... i dunno where u got that. Ive never ever seen a dev job require MAC experience for job applicants. The Game dev place i worked at had 1 MAC in the entire office and it was disassembled in the back corner.
Look at your own quote, which supports me, heheh. You said 99% of PC devs use........... Well of course they use a windows app, because they are PC devs. The majority of PC's are not Linux based, thus not 100% compatable with Apple computers. BTW, this is heading towards an "internet only arguement". A type of arguement that cannot be proven, nor disproven, because it is taking place over the internet. There is no way anyone lurking, or posting, can tell what you, or I, do for a living. We both could be homeless guys typing on computers in a Burger King claiming to be VP's of fortune 500 companies. Soo if you or others disbelieve me when I say many PC programs/games are made on Apple computers, to be used on PC's, so be it. If others believe it, and know it, and have seen it like me, so be it.
But I'll end with this, yes Visual Sudios is ONE of many programming tools. One that is just as popular, and some argue more popular, is the legendary Maya.
And to the posters trying to make fun of Apple computers, and its OS, Dinion said it best. Linux is the most superior OS on the planet. It has been repeatedly stress tested by programmers around the world, in every major country. It 1,000% nukes, and destroys, every single MicroSoft Windows OS. The Tiger OS, which is used by Apple, is Linux based, techinically making it the 2nd best OS, not far behind a pure Linux OS. Too bad there are still no computers built on purpose from the ground up to use Linux, it might make for intresting dynamics. Though it is possible to demand any store to not install windows, and instead install Linux, when one is purchasing a new PC.
Isn't there some kind of emulation or windows API layer software that lets you play native Windows games on the mac? I've heard of more than one such solution, but I'm a bit hard-pressed to give you details as somebody who plays almost exclusively on the PC.
This may have already been covered, but the two 'emulation' products on the market right now are pretty useless when it comes to gaming. One is crossover, which is a WINE product offered by Codeweavers, and the second is parallels desktop, which allows you to run a virtual machine of windows (and many other OS products), but without 3d support (like openGL, directX). The end result is the ability to run very few games meant for win32 without boot camp. Parallels has announced 3d suppot for their product at some point this year (it keeps getting pushed), and crossover doesn't have a chance.
The makers of Cedega have a product that allows code compatability with Mac, but it's currently only offered on a corporate basis. They have actually had more success than the other two thus far from what I have read.
That's all I've got so far...Parallels seems to be our best hope for later in the year without bootcamp or mac compatible games .
Played (more than a month): SWG, Second Life, Tabula Rasa, Lineage 2, Everquest 2, EvE, MxO, Ryzom.
IMHO no one should buy a Mac with the primary goal to play games. Apple computers are ment first for programming purposes. (Yeah it is strange, most PC games are created and programmed on Apple computers.). The Sony computers are the best for gaming because of Sony having an almost 100% self sufficient circle. They make software, hardware, games, chips, recordable and playback media, as well as music and movies. Their computers are built with the intention of interacting with all Sony has to offer.
If more Apple users got together, and voiced their concerns, perhaps more games would be on purposly made for Apples from the ground up. The Apple OS is far superior to everything else since it is Linux based. Making this its main attraction. A computer that is built from the ground up to use a Linux based OS.
"Apple computers are ment first for programming purposes. (Yeah it is strange, most PC games are created and programmed on Apple computers.)"
what are you talking about? I dont think you know anything about programming if you beleive this. 99% of PC devs use visual studios which is only available on windows... i dunno where u got that. Ive never ever seen a dev job require MAC experience for job applicants. The Game dev place i worked at had 1 MAC in the entire office and it was disassembled in the back corner.
Look at your own quote, which supports me, heheh. You said 99% of PC devs use........... Well of course they use a windows app, because they are PC devs. The majority of PC's are not Linux based, thus not 100% compatable with Apple computers. BTW, this is heading towards an "internet only arguement". A type of arguement that cannot be proven, nor disproven, because it is taking place over the internet. There is no way anyone lurking, or posting, can tell what you, or I, do for a living. We both could be homeless guys typing on computers in a Burger King claiming to be VP's of fortune 500 companies. Soo if you or others disbelieve me when I say many PC programs/games are made on Apple computers, to be used on PC's, so be it. If others believe it, and know it, and have seen it like me, so be it.
But I'll end with this, yes Visual Sudios is ONE of many programming tools. One that is just as popular, and some argue more popular, is the legendary Maya.
And to the posters trying to make fun of Apple computers, and its OS, Dinion said it best. Linux is the most superior OS on the planet. It has been repeatedly stress tested by programmers around the world, in every major country. It 1,000% nukes, and destroys, every single MicroSoft Windows OS. The Tiger OS, which is used by Apple, is Linux based, techinically making it the 2nd best OS, not far behind a pure Linux OS. Too bad there are still no computers built on purpose from the ground up to use Linux, it might make for intresting dynamics. Though it is possible to demand any store to not install windows, and instead install Linux, when one is purchasing a new PC.
Mac is based on Darwin, which is derived from freeBSD. You won't find a Linux kernel in their code anywhere. FreeBSD does have a successful linux compatability layer, but I think Apple left that on the cutting room floor when they released OS X. Linux is not the most superior OS on the planet, neither is OS X, FreeBSD, MS Vista, Sun Solaris, HP-UX, etc. Different OS's do different things well. Everyone has their favorite tool in order to get what they want.
Played (more than a month): SWG, Second Life, Tabula Rasa, Lineage 2, Everquest 2, EvE, MxO, Ryzom.
On an unrelated note, did that guy really just compare Maya and Visual Studio?
I replied on emulators above. Microsoft Virtual PC also offers zero 3d support, and clocks much slower than Parallels. That's why I didn't mention it. It really isn't moving towards being a better tool, just a usable one.
Played (more than a month): SWG, Second Life, Tabula Rasa, Lineage 2, Everquest 2, EvE, MxO, Ryzom.
Oh. I guess I missed what you said about emulators. I was distracting reading that guy's lengthy . . . comments. As far as the inaccuracies in my statements, this is why I didn't try answering in the first place.
Hrm. You paint a pretty bleak picture. I could have sworn the guys at Penny Arcade posted something about a program which worked at least half-decently in this regard, but I can't find the post.
Ilife is pretty cool. My wife makes almost one hundred grand a year editing old home movies for people and making kick ass photo movies and shit like that. She does that all at home using her IMac and some standard programs.
I was going to install WoW on it because she has like a huge 24 inch widescreen, but she wouldnt let me. I was ok with it only because I dont really like WoW.
Mac is based on Darwin, which is derived from freeBSD. You won't find a Linux kernel in their code anywhere. FreeBSD does have a successful linux compatability layer, but I think Apple left that on the cutting room floor when they released OS X. Linux is not the most superior OS on the planet, neither is OS X, FreeBSD, MS Vista, Sun Solaris, HP-UX, etc. Different OS's do different things well. Everyone has their favorite tool in order to get what they want.
Then... I stand corrected on the origins of the Apple OS (originally the Lisa OS from the 1970's) which came out years before Linux.
Do you think in anyway at current time, that either os has been influenced by the other? (Tiger OS and Linux).
I will still continue to stand by my opinion that Linux is far superior to anything made by MicroSoft. And is better than any other OS.
Mac is based on Darwin, which is derived from freeBSD. You won't find a Linux kernel in their code anywhere. FreeBSD does have a successful linux compatability layer, but I think Apple left that on the cutting room floor when they released OS X. Linux is not the most superior OS on the planet, neither is OS X, FreeBSD, MS Vista, Sun Solaris, HP-UX, etc. Different OS's do different things well. Everyone has their favorite tool in order to get what they want.
Then... I stand corrected on the origins of the Apple OS (originally the Lisa OS from the 1970's) which came out years before Linux.
Do you think in anyway at current time, that either os has been influenced by the other? (Tiger OS and Linux).
I will still continue to stand by my opinion that Linux is far superior to anything made by MicroSoft. And is better than any other OS.
Lisa Operating system was introduced in 1983.
Also the UNIX operating systems were under development in the 1960s.
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Not really bro.....
The best thing you can do is install boot camp on your mac so you can run windows and play them that way.
Critical thinking is a desire to seek, patience to doubt, fondness to meditate, slowness to assert, readiness to consider, carefulness to dispose and set in order; and hatred for every kind of imposture.
Isn't there some kind of emulation or windows API layer software that lets you play native Windows games on the mac? I've heard of more than one such solution, but I'm a bit hard-pressed to give you details as somebody who plays almost exclusively on the PC.
I have found this list here.
IMHO no one should buy a Mac with the primary goal to play games. Apple computers are ment first for programming purposes. (Yeah it is strange, most PC games are created and programmed on Apple computers.). The Sony computers are the best for gaming because of Sony having an almost 100% self sufficient circle. They make software, hardware, games, chips, recordable and playback media, as well as music and movies. Their computers are built with the intention of interacting with all Sony has to offer.
If more Apple users got together, and voiced their concerns, perhaps more games would be on purposly made for Apples from the ground up. The Apple OS is far superior to everything else since it is Linux based. Making this its main attraction. A computer that is built from the ground up to use a Linux based OS.
"Apple computers are ment first for programming purposes. (Yeah it is strange, most PC games are created and programmed on Apple computers.)"
what are you talking about? I dont think you know anything about programming if you beleive this. 99% of PC devs use visual studios which is only available on windows... i dunno where u got that. Ive never ever seen a dev job require MAC experience for job applicants. The Game dev place i worked at had 1 MAC in the entire office and it was disassembled in the back corner.
and I say "Windows" and not PC because PC is just an acronym for, as we all know, "Personal Computers". The only real difference we are talking about here is the Operating System.
There's probably even a bigger market for Linux games than Mac. I do agree that OS X is indeed a superior OS, maybe Mac should enhance hardware support to be on-par with Windows and Linux. There would definitely be a larger OS X userbase if you didn't have to buy a Mac to be able to use the OS.
Honestly I think Linux is the best OS out there, in particular Fedora Core because it's friggen free. If gaming wasn't such a big deal to me I would go Fedora before OS X. Main reason being I wouldn't have to buy a whole new computer just to use it.
I think he might be one of those fanatic Mac zealots :P. I'm completely open minded though, if he has statistics or experience to back this up I'm willing to hear it.
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MMOs Retired From: Earth and Beyond, Project Entropia, There, A Tale in the Desert, Star Wars Galaxies, World of Warcraft, Eve Online, City of Heroes/Villains.
MMOs Currently (worth) Playing: None.
MMO hopefuls: Age of Conan.
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"Apple computers are ment first for programming purposes. (Yeah it is strange, most PC games are created and programmed on Apple computers.)"
what are you talking about? I dont think you know anything about programming if you beleive this. 99% of PC devs use visual studios which is only available on windows... i dunno where u got that. Ive never ever seen a dev job require MAC experience for job applicants. The Game dev place i worked at had 1 MAC in the entire office and it was disassembled in the back corner.
Look at your own quote, which supports me, heheh. You said 99% of PC devs use........... Well of course they use a windows app, because they are PC devs. The majority of PC's are not Linux based, thus not 100% compatable with Apple computers. BTW, this is heading towards an "internet only arguement". A type of arguement that cannot be proven, nor disproven, because it is taking place over the internet. There is no way anyone lurking, or posting, can tell what you, or I, do for a living. We both could be homeless guys typing on computers in a Burger King claiming to be VP's of fortune 500 companies. Soo if you or others disbelieve me when I say many PC programs/games are made on Apple computers, to be used on PC's, so be it. If others believe it, and know it, and have seen it like me, so be it.
But I'll end with this, yes Visual Sudios is ONE of many programming tools. One that is just as popular, and some argue more popular, is the legendary Maya.
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And to the posters trying to make fun of Apple computers, and its OS, Dinion said it best. Linux is the most superior OS on the planet. It has been repeatedly stress tested by programmers around the world, in every major country. It 1,000% nukes, and destroys, every single MicroSoft Windows OS. The Tiger OS, which is used by Apple, is Linux based, techinically making it the 2nd best OS, not far behind a pure Linux OS. Too bad there are still no computers built on purpose from the ground up to use Linux, it might make for intresting dynamics. Though it is possible to demand any store to not install windows, and instead install Linux, when one is purchasing a new PC.
The makers of Cedega have a product that allows code compatability with Mac, but it's currently only offered on a corporate basis. They have actually had more success than the other two thus far from what I have read.
That's all I've got so far...Parallels seems to be our best hope for later in the year without bootcamp or mac compatible games .
Played (more than a month): SWG, Second Life, Tabula Rasa, Lineage 2, Everquest 2, EvE, MxO, Ryzom.
Tried: WoW, Shadowbane, Anarchy Online, Everquest, WWII Online, Planetside
Beta: Lotro, Tabula Rasa, WAR.
"Apple computers are ment first for programming purposes. (Yeah it is strange, most PC games are created and programmed on Apple computers.)"
what are you talking about? I dont think you know anything about programming if you beleive this. 99% of PC devs use visual studios which is only available on windows... i dunno where u got that. Ive never ever seen a dev job require MAC experience for job applicants. The Game dev place i worked at had 1 MAC in the entire office and it was disassembled in the back corner.
Look at your own quote, which supports me, heheh. You said 99% of PC devs use........... Well of course they use a windows app, because they are PC devs. The majority of PC's are not Linux based, thus not 100% compatable with Apple computers. BTW, this is heading towards an "internet only arguement". A type of arguement that cannot be proven, nor disproven, because it is taking place over the internet. There is no way anyone lurking, or posting, can tell what you, or I, do for a living. We both could be homeless guys typing on computers in a Burger King claiming to be VP's of fortune 500 companies. Soo if you or others disbelieve me when I say many PC programs/games are made on Apple computers, to be used on PC's, so be it. If others believe it, and know it, and have seen it like me, so be it.
But I'll end with this, yes Visual Sudios is ONE of many programming tools. One that is just as popular, and some argue more popular, is the legendary Maya.
--------------------------------------------------------
And to the posters trying to make fun of Apple computers, and its OS, Dinion said it best. Linux is the most superior OS on the planet. It has been repeatedly stress tested by programmers around the world, in every major country. It 1,000% nukes, and destroys, every single MicroSoft Windows OS. The Tiger OS, which is used by Apple, is Linux based, techinically making it the 2nd best OS, not far behind a pure Linux OS. Too bad there are still no computers built on purpose from the ground up to use Linux, it might make for intresting dynamics. Though it is possible to demand any store to not install windows, and instead install Linux, when one is purchasing a new PC.
Mac is based on Darwin, which is derived from freeBSD. You won't find a Linux kernel in their code anywhere. FreeBSD does have a successful linux compatability layer, but I think Apple left that on the cutting room floor when they released OS X. Linux is not the most superior OS on the planet, neither is OS X, FreeBSD, MS Vista, Sun Solaris, HP-UX, etc. Different OS's do different things well. Everyone has their favorite tool in order to get what they want.
Played (more than a month): SWG, Second Life, Tabula Rasa, Lineage 2, Everquest 2, EvE, MxO, Ryzom.
Tried: WoW, Shadowbane, Anarchy Online, Everquest, WWII Online, Planetside
Beta: Lotro, Tabula Rasa, WAR.
I was hoping a Mac user would pick up my slack. I guess not.
A list of Windows emulators
Ironically, it seems the best x86 Windows emulator for the Macintosh is made by Microsoft.
Microsoft's VirtualPC
On an unrelated note, did that guy really just compare Maya and Visual Studio?
I was hoping a Mac user would pick up my slack. I guess not.
A list of Windows emulators
Ironically, it seems the best x86 Windows emulator for the Macintosh is made by Microsoft.
Microsoft's VirtualPC
On an unrelated note, did that guy really just compare Maya and Visual Studio?
I replied on emulators above. Microsoft Virtual PC also offers zero 3d support, and clocks much slower than Parallels. That's why I didn't mention it. It really isn't moving towards being a better tool, just a usable one.Played (more than a month): SWG, Second Life, Tabula Rasa, Lineage 2, Everquest 2, EvE, MxO, Ryzom.
Tried: WoW, Shadowbane, Anarchy Online, Everquest, WWII Online, Planetside
Beta: Lotro, Tabula Rasa, WAR.
Oh. I guess I missed what you said about emulators. I was distracting reading that guy's lengthy . . . comments. As far as the inaccuracies in my statements, this is why I didn't try answering in the first place.
Hrm. You paint a pretty bleak picture. I could have sworn the guys at Penny Arcade posted something about a program which worked at least half-decently in this regard, but I can't find the post.
Ilife is pretty cool. My wife makes almost one hundred grand a year editing old home movies for people and making kick ass photo movies and shit like that. She does that all at home using her IMac and some standard programs.
I was going to install WoW on it because she has like a huge 24 inch widescreen, but she wouldnt let me. I was ok with it only because I dont really like WoW.
Then... I stand corrected on the origins of the Apple OS (originally the Lisa OS from the 1970's) which came out years before Linux.
Do you think in anyway at current time, that either os has been influenced by the other? (Tiger OS and Linux).
I will still continue to stand by my opinion that Linux is far superior to anything made by MicroSoft. And is better than any other OS.
Then... I stand corrected on the origins of the Apple OS (originally the Lisa OS from the 1970's) which came out years before Linux.
Do you think in anyway at current time, that either os has been influenced by the other? (Tiger OS and Linux).
I will still continue to stand by my opinion that Linux is far superior to anything made by MicroSoft. And is better than any other OS.
Lisa Operating system was introduced in 1983.
Also the UNIX operating systems were under development in the 1960s.