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From The Escapist "Jumpgate: EVE's Devs and the Friends They Keep"
Kedoremos
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in EVE Online
I'm just the messenger, don't shoot me with your heavies or anything 
http://www.escapistmagazine.com/news/view/68591-Jumpgate-EVEs-Devs-and-the-Friends-They-Keep
This article pretty much sums up everything that's been going on. If all you've read are the eve forums I don't think you've got the whole story.
Also, this found its way to Slashdot.org:
http://games.slashdot.org/games/07/02/08/172206.shtml
***NOTE***
A slashdot poster says people are getting banned for linking the story in-game, so be careful if you do.
Kedoremos
Life of an MMORPG "addict"
For 7 years, proving that if you quote "fuck" you won't get banned.
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Im a big fan of the game but ive always been wary because of things ive heard about the devs
EDIT
I found another site mentioning it
http://kotaku.com/gaming/eve-online/scandal-hits-eve-online-234863.php
Some people will blow this off as nothing, I think its the very essence of corporate misconduct.
Life of an MMORPG "addict"
For 7 years, proving that if you quote "fuck" you won't get banned.
Some people will blow this off as nothing, I think its the very essence of corporate misconduct.
You do realize that what was 'given' to BoB was a handful of BPOs, most of which were of next to no value, right? All told, the isk sum involved was trivial to any real alliance.
I'm already sick of the idiots trying to score political points over this with insane conspiracy theories and the mindless sheep who are eating it up.
Some people will blow this off as nothing, I think its the very essence of corporate misconduct.
You do realize that what was 'given' to BoB was a handful of BPOs, most of which were of next to no value, right? All told, the isk sum involved was trivial to any real alliance.
I'm already sick of the idiots trying to score political points over this with insane conspiracy theories and the mindless sheep who are eating it up.
What's with the quotes around "given"? The developer in question admitted to doing it, there's no alleged anything.
The issue isn't the value of the items but the act itself. It doesn't matter if he gave them 1 trit, it matters that a developer of the game gave them something that he did not give to EVERYONE ELSE. This simple act crossed a line between company and customer that should never, ever be crossed.
May I ask, with whom am I supposed to be trying to gain political points with? Some mystical fucking faction of the anti-EVE-right-wing-conspiracy?
Just because I have the presence of mind and lack of bias to draw the same parallels that any person with an above 70 IQ would draw doesn't make me a conspiracy theorist, it makes me captain-fucking-obvious!
And this is the same ass kicking I'll give to the next 30 EVE zealots that come in here cutting me down because I traipsed on their precious time sink.
I just LOVE how it takes 30 (and no less) of you to "correct" any negative opinions.... I'm waiting with hands folded neatly across my big pompous belly.
Kedoremos
Life of an MMORPG "addict"
For 7 years, proving that if you quote "fuck" you won't get banned.
cheating whit 100 000 ISK item value is cheating like cheating whit 9 999 999 999 999 ISK item value
what will be next " wee cheated only a bit " ?
BestSigEver :P
the problem is that kugutsumen post logs whit 12 BPO
and CCP only removed 6
BestSigEver :P
sorry to burst in, but a Sabre Destroyer Interdictor looks like "Ammo" to you? I dunno, truly it is small enough maybe it fits in titan's guns, but still... you even post the link where it clearly states what he gave them....
"If you give a man a fish, you feed him for a day, if you teach him how to fish, you feed him for a lifetime"
sorry to burst in, but a Sabre Destroyer Interdictor looks like "Ammo" to you? I dunno, truly it is small enough maybe it fits in titan's guns, but still... you even post the link where it clearly states what he gave them....
oh sorry my bad
You're the mindless sheep.
Baaaa for daddy.
You're the mindless sheep.
Baaaa for daddy.
Thanks for the edit; you've made your post much easier to respond to.
If I was insulting something about a specific corporation/alliance in the hopes I would gain allegiance with yet another corp/alliance I would then, and only then, be trying to score points with a corp/alliance in EVE.
What I have done is meaningfully and succinctly pointed out that the COMPANY CCP has performed egregious corporate misconduct.
If you'll notice in my posts I made no specific mention toward any alliance or corporation so that makes your point completely moot.
And if you really believe all the press bullshit that CCP has released in the past 6 months regarding this scandal then you're far closer to the ovis persuasion than I.
Kedoremos
p.s. Its fun to get personal about video games isn't it? Considering we're arguing about ideas and nothing tangible, I guess I just consider it a little ironic how you have the gall to call me a sheep when you're the one defending a game whose makers obviously consider their customers idiots. The USA impeached a good president for being less deceptive than this (and should impeach the current one too).
Life of an MMORPG "addict"
For 7 years, proving that if you quote "fuck" you won't get banned.
Scroll up. I haven't insulted you. You're the one getting personal here buddy.
So far you've called me "an idiot", "a sheep", and you've said I have "marginal literacy". What in the world could I have done to make you so angry?
And I don't troll the other forums. I add insight and information where I deem necessary. In addition, when I feel someone is being unjustly flamed I'll stick up for them as best I can.
You can take this as an insult if you want though…
You're an EVE-Zealot who takes his time sink so seriously that it has corroded the last bit of social skills you may have had growing up.
If you aren't going to actually reply to my fucking posts and just throw down some useless flames, don't bother because NO ONE wants to see it.
Kedoremos
Life of an MMORPG "addict"
For 7 years, proving that if you quote "fuck" you won't get banned.
Kedoremos says:
"Just because I have the presence of mind and lack of bias to draw the same parallels that any person with an above 70 IQ would draw doesn't make me a conspiracy theorist, it makes me captain-fucking-obvious!"
Nice way to make a point, unfortunately, I doubt it's the point you intended to make.
All you have proven with your attack on others is that you have absolutely no credibility whatsoever.
Nice try though, if you knew how to keep a civil tongue and make a well thought out argument with fact rather than attacks you might actually have gained a few listeners.
part2
http://www.escapistmagazine.com/news/view/68601-Jumpgate-EVEs-Devs-and-the-Friends-They-Keep-Part-2
BestSigEver :P
Just love reading the fanboy responses. They dance pretty good when they are on the hotspot.
While the incident appears trivial at first, you have to wonder at BOB's dominance lately. Nothing like having access to all the inside info. CCP has basically just slapped some hands. Now that is what is a shame about this. Gutless wonders is a good synonym for CCP right now.
They are hiding the facts, placing the blame on one guy (Who they aren't even going to fire!), ignoring questions, and when they do respond, it is with a blatant lie!
Sirmolle, leader of BoB, posted information on the guy who found out who the devs were, on the official forums no less, and he wasn't banned for it!
Strange POS offlinings, lag that hits BoBs enemy only, GMs appearing before a BoB attack, BoB holding most of the T2 BPOs, BoB space getting more content, etc. There is something going on!
Sadly, CCP is going to run EVE into the ground.
Meh, what happens, happens.
I'm still going to enjoy my game, as will my corp and alliance.
If CCP was complicit on this, well, they were caught. I hope they remedy their actions and move on.
If they weren't, and it was the actions of a few, I hope that is understood by all, and decisive (but merciful) action taken, and we all can move on.
People make mistakes, it's that simple. I'm not going to lose any sleep nor EVE play time over it.
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The fanboi dacnce?
What about the fact that most of what the current lot of bashers have on their side is mostly unsubstantiated allegation?
How about the fact that the very basis for the basher's argument is known to be intentionally altered?
What about the fact that one of the main arguments, that CCP covered this up and did nothing until it was made public by a hacker is totally false? (In fact, this was dealt with by CCP 6 months ago, and in the interim CCP has been improving their procedures to prevent similar events in the future.)
This all leads me to believe that it is the bashers that do the covering up, are unable to deal in substantiated facts, and in fact, are the much better dancers.
On another topic, who are these bashers? I would be very interested to see their ingame names so they can be checked, becase, as of now, we don't even know if they even have a stake in the game, or are here simply to cause trouble.
So, how about it bashers? Who are you ingame? And, just to be fair, my main is Asinia Au, feel free to check her out.
After that, everyone takes a breath and repeats: It´s just a game...
But i hope that BoD gets kicked in the teeth in the war..
No, they banned him when he offered to help them find out who was cheating.
Besides, BoB and their slaves/allies break the EULA all the time, nothing happens to them!
http://kugutsumen.com/
You can find much more information there about what he did, and CCP's lies.
Kugutsman may be correct but the methods he used to obtain his information aren't just a violation of the EULA they're also in violation of international, as well as national, law in several countries. He's a convicted felon in a non-extradition country. Just to set the record straight on that.
That said CCP has handled this poorly. While I don't blame CCP as a whole for T20's actions I am dissapointed in the method they have chosen to handle this situation. T20 should be terminated.
I don't feel that BoB, the alliance, should be penalized because of T20's indiscretion. However, T20 should be forced to report all instances of cheating, exploiting or other actions that he is aware of within BoB and those who perpetrated such things should also be banned from the game.
That, in my mind, would make things 'right'. Those who knowingly exploited would be gone (those they could catch anyway) and those who are, relatively speaking, innocent of any crime other than 'being there' will be fine.
I don't think BoB should be disbanded or overly penalized but I do think they should ban/fine/whatever whomever they can identify as exploiting or cheating within the scope of this investigation. And, as I said, T20 should be fired.
But do I hate CCP or distrust them? No, they are obviously at least trying to do the right thing. T20 is obviously (and demonstrably) a valuable member of their dev team and may even be in a situation where he's considered irreplaceable in the short term. Not saying they're handling this in the best manner possible but I do have to say that if th is were almost any other company we STILL wouldn't have gotten anything out of them. SOE, Blizzard, Turbine... none of them would have been even half as forthright in this situation. We'd still be seeing armies of deleted threads and corporate double talk stating that 'everything is working as designed'.
So, yeah, I think they're handling this issue poorly. But I don't hate CCP for it nor do I plan to quit playing a game I enjoy over it. TBH the whole situation, in the grand scheme of things, is less imbalancing than certain alliances who sell GTC's for ingame ISK and use the money for POS/Sov warfare.
"A ship-of-war is the best ambassador." - Oliver Cromwell