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AoC or WAR?
TheBean
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This thread was made in the AoC forums... just wanted to see the reaction in WAR forums since I know many people are following both closely... Between the two, which do you think you will be playing?
My opinion: For quite some time I was set totally on WAR but after I started looking into AoC more it just fit my playstyle better. RTC is one of my favorite features, but I am also not a fan of WARs graphics 
Though I think DAoC has great graphics (still playin woohoo!)
I do like WARs PvP focus a bit more but I think AoC also has a great idea, especially giving the choice between PvP kingdoms, and even setting up against an enemy NPC city.
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I am hyped for both. I like the way AoC is trying to change the genre. With realistic mounted combat, the melee system and the formation stuff.
But WAR is made by the same people that did DAoC. Which was back in the day. Before NF and ToA. Alot of fun. I will be following both closely, but I am more interested for WAR, because I never had as much fun in a PvP game (besides UO pre tram, but that aint coming back) when it was open field 100 vs 100. It was just insane. AoC might be able to have some of these fights. But I dont think it will be on the level of WAR.
If WAR turns out to be stale, I will probably go to AoC. But WAR is first on my list.
The title of your thread, in the eyes of fanbois, says "Come argue and fight senselessly about two games none of us have tried out yet" in big flashing neon lights.
-FROM WHAT I HAVE SEEN- I love the concepts of RvR and war is everywhere from WAR, however I am very impressed about how AoC has gone about their combat system and such. Why can't we just play both games instead of just hating on one or another. So I will pick up both AoC and WAR, and decide when I can actually play them.
edit: TheBean, this isn't a rant. This topic has been discussed numerous times throughout various forums, and each one ended up turning into a flame war. The topic has really been beaten to death.
Yeah well the thread is to point out likes of the games so far and state which one you will participate in :P... If you can't point out which you think is better before the game is out how will you know which one to get? Unless you want to buy both, which many people will.
But the first 3 posts were civil besides your little rant there so lets hope it keeps up
WAR wins for putting out as much info as humanly possible throughout the entire development process. I've never seen a company put out as many screenshots, information, concept art, and videos as EA Mythic has put out.
AoC wins hands down when it comes to graphics. When it comes to the scenery AoC wins for lushness, while WAR wins for variety. In the scenery shown in AoC it's a lot of forest paths that appear to be very linear, but very beautiful. In WAR there are different levels to the terrain, where you can see down into a ravine, or up into the clouds. Anytime a game incorporates multiple levels of terrain where there are bridges you can pass under and such it's a plus for me. it's more dynamic. In AoC there are hills, mountains, inclines and declines, but I haven't seen various levels at once like in WAR, so for variety of Scenery WAR wins.
AoC wins in the revolutionary aspect with the Combat System, while WAR wins in the revolutionary aspect with their Public Quests and race specific classes.
AoC has more varietous gameplay from oldschool RPG adventure, to RTS style player-cities, to PvE and PvP. WAR has basically RvR and PvE, where the amount of each varies as you level through the game. They are putting all of their resources into what they know which is RvR and really going all out on that aspect of the game, where AoC is more spread out among various aspects of their game.
WAR wins when it comes to massive battles. With AoC's graphics the game won't be able to handle the massive battles that WAR will be able to handle. If you pay attention to the CES AoC video where they have their massive battle shown, all of the models are almost identical, and the graphics are severely toned down. In WAR the models are very different, and the graphics don't look any different from any other video they've shown.
To me the graphics of WAR are improved, but not ground-breaking, while the Public Quests and RvR concept is very revolutionary. AoC has a revolutionary combat system, but their Single player game, PvE, PvP and city building while never before in the same game, all have been done before in much the same way.
For me, I'm going to play WAR. I would play AoC except that I would have to spend 1500 bucks to upgrade my comp just to be able to play it fairly well. So there's my reasoning and hashing out of the games. And in the end, I'll pay for WAR.
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I just like the more realistic look of AoC personally, but we have only seen two races, and the graphics for orcs look great, its just those dwarfs that bug meh
As for terrain, though unfortunately they havn't shown it, AoC is said to going to have from the full forests weve seen to dessert wastes, but as you stated WAR has been much more community friendly in letting us see what's really going on, like I've always said I love Mythic
I'm not personally attacking you if that's how you perceive it, I'm just pointing out that this thread is purely filled of speculation, and will only be filled with valid points until NDA's are lifted. However if I were forced to choose on the spot which game impresses me the most and could keep me entertained the longest, it would be WAR.
I never followed DnL thankfully
But I don't mind looking at games early... Most game forums even come up with a "time capsul" where everyone puts in what they think the game will be like (based on what they have shown so far, not just hopes) and then see what its really like at the end.
As for graphics a few posts above (or conformity rather) I agree I think AoC won't have as much variety in looks, especially being as there are only humans but I am attracted to that sort of thing. I also agree that WAR will ahve a much greater range of classes to choose from. They proed there worth in that field in DAoC, having tons of classes, whereas WoW fell way short, having the same things for both sides and not a huge variety comparably
But I think AoC will have enough of a variety class-wise, and they combined their long list of classes earlier on, making each one very moldable to what you like 
Like many other previous posters, I will be trying both.
No offense to AOC but Im a huge Mythic fan. DAOC really did it for me and I would be keeping up on any game they produce that is based heavily around RvR/PvP. I really have a whole lot of faith in that company.
On the other side my only real concern for Warhammer will be the Long Term Playability. If anyone has played daoc RvR is great for hours and hours on end, day after day its always exciting. BUT, I look at the scenarios in WAR and I think ..."and then what?".
AOC looks a bit more unpolished, new, different, exciting, and a bit untraditional---all of that excites me for what AOC could be....a Mold Breaking MMO.
WAR, on the other hand, looks like DAoC 2. Very nice.
I absolutely HATE it that they make MMORPG's for consoles too. I am 100% sceptical to this concept since I think it will just ruin the overall feeling of both the game and the community.
Not that they really would HAVE to dumb down stuff like controls and so forth, but to some degree it will have to be modified. So us PC users will be smashed for they wanting to multi-format their games...
$OE lies list
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And I don't want to hear anything about "I don't believe in vampires" because *I* don't believe in vampires, but I believe in my own two eyes, and what *I* saw is ******* vampires! "
mythic have been more up front, released more information, have a system that sounds like FUN rather than sending casters to hell because they overnuked.
sure AoC's landscapes look more real, but i play games to relax and enjoy myself, not go sightseeing.
I absolutely HATE it that they make MMORPG's for consoles too. I am 100% sceptical to this concept since I think it will just ruin the overall feeling of both the game and the community.
Not that they really would HAVE to dumb down stuff like controls and so forth, but to some degree it will have to be modified. So us PC users will be smashed for they wanting to multi-format their games...
Actually, I'd be surprised if AoC doesn't use separate servers for the console version. I think I read some where that's what they plan on doing and that they haven't even begun work on the console version. I don't think anyone who is interested in AoC and plays on the PC will have to worry about console formats for the game ruining their experience.
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I loved doac and I think I'm going to love WAR as well. I trust mythic to do a good job. The RVR in doac was awesome and WAR's will hopefully be even better. AOC looks decent but my money is on WAR.
-for the overmind.
Both WAR and AoC look promising. I am most interested in WAR because I am a Gamesworkshop tabletop gams fan. I also played DaoC since its release and had a great time with it. DaoC is probably one of the better MMOs out there. So, that is two big reasons why I will mostly focus on WAR.
I'll definately buy WAR. If AoC still looks like a quality PvP game at release then I will puchase it too.
First it is Mythic, DAoC while often forgotten when people talk about smooth launches, had a pretty much flawless launch that I remember. While DAoC was my first MMO and I may have rose colored glasses, what I do remember vividly was playing on launch day for a long long time. Something I have yet to say about any other MMO I have played since at release, which has been a lot of them.
Secondly Mythic is using a revamped version of the DAoC engine, so its something time tested and worked out. Also they are going for a more evolutionary game with some revolutionary features. Whenever you go for a much more revolutionary innovative game then you are going to run into more problems, especially problems that havent been run into before.
That is why at launch I will be playing WAR, however I will most likely pick up AoC after release depening on how everything pans out.
As for art direction I have to go toward WAR, while it may be more "cartoony"(which I do not believe it is, but so many people think so) it has a certain direction and focus. I have noticed that for games that go for the more realistic approach, EQ2 and Vanguard come to mind, while it may be some beautiful scenery I find the art to lack a sense of focus. Its basically like looking out the window, its stuff I see every day but not so awe inspiring but in a game.
I would rather the games art have a sort of style or focus I guess you could say. For example is WoWs graphics while cartoony it has a definate focus and style to it and in its own way looks good, everything flows together well the characters fit the scenery and vice versa. Now in a game like Vanguard where the scenerey is beautiful it is ruined by the characters. It is like you took a high quality snapshot and then used photoshop to plop in some 3d animated person. Basically there is no flow, so the characters do not feel they should be there, and vice versa.
Just my .02 cents, who knows maybe AoC will get the realistic artiistic approach down.
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I agree completely with Mythic being trustworthy... I start DAoC at launch and still play on the classic servers today, and you remembered correctly, it was a pretty much flawless launch. Also I still think it's the best game out there today, at elast for those of us that don't mind somewhat of a lack of PvE
And WAR graphics, I believe, are between the cartoony WoW and more realistic DAoC looks, and they arnt bad (its jsut those dwarfs damnit! :P)
On the note of AoC graphics, I think that the realistic terrain fits good with the graphics of the characters, because the charcter/equipment graphics is focusing more towards reality and not big flashy stuff (which I will miss glowie weapons from DAoC
) but if they did try to put things liek that in it would clash witht he rest of the world.
They both are taking revolutionary gameplay steps. PC built keeps and RTC (AoC), and extremely PvP based, and (awesome) capturable capitol cities! The depth of classes is great on both sides and many other features.
I will be looking for the more realistic side this time aroudn though, and the RTC is interesting me a ton but I'm almost positive I will end up trying both
Edit: And when I see real that includes all humans as well. I really like the fact that I will be getting away from the usual races and just be fighting face to face with humans
Please...try not to be such a pos poster. If you have an opinion, at least give a few reasons to support your argument. That kind of comment just opens up all types of flame wars.
"AOC HANDS DOWN BECAUSE IT IS TRYING SOMETHING NEW"....and WAR isnt?
And what exactly is AOC doing so different?
Please enlighten us.
Whichever has the best siege warfare.