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SonorisSonoris Member Posts: 54
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OK well hers the thing. I know computers pretty well and I can basicly put one together... Though its almost impossible to keep up to speed on the new technology. So I ask you, what might be a good processor and mother board to upgrade to. I have heard good things about the new Athlon XP (??is that the name??) 64 bit processor and I wonder how well it stacks up, cause there selling them in a store near by for around $90 for a 2800 (can someone fill me in on what these numbers represent, please).

So, six questions...

1. What is the best processor and motherboard combo.

2. What is the best processor and motherboard combo for around $200 or less, and why?

3. What is the best processor and motherboard combo for around $100 or less, and why?

4. what is the best processor and motherboard combo that uses SDRAM around a decent price. (this is what Im looking for::::01::)

5. What is better, SDRAM or DDRAM or RDRAM (I thought I heard this but not sure)?

6. What do the numbers mean for the new athlon XP (ie: 2400, 2600, 2800, 3400)?

THANKS A BUNCH GUYS, I BOW TO YOUR WISDOM!::::28::

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  • SatansDiscipleSatansDisciple Member Posts: 2,782

    motherboard link asus 17n8x deluxe this is the mobo i got, and im pretty happy with it.

    amd 2500 barton i believe oem means it doesnt come with a heatsink, but heatsinks are cheap, and the one that comes with these sucks anyway. mine broke after 1 weeks use. amd is cheap as well, but as good if not better quality than intel.

    together they are less than 200.

    and 2500, 2800, 3000, etc. thats the megahertz they run at. thats what i gather anyway, someone should verify that.

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  • GruntyGrunty Member EpicPosts: 8,657


    I spent 40 minutes creating a reply to your post. During that time MMORPG.com decided to log me off their site. I'm not going to spend another 40 minutes to recreate what I wrote. Blame mmorpg.com.

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  • MaximaneMaximane Member CommonPosts: 625

    If you want good cooling, you will grab a Thermaltake.

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  • SonorisSonoris Member Posts: 54

    NOOOOO GRUNTY :((( well damn but thanks for the effort! ANYONE ELSE please help!


    and thanks for the cooling fan idea too::::39::

  • morbidanyamorbidanya Member Posts: 45

    Here's the deal, in a nutshell, on the AMD offering. You have few routes to choose from as far as 64 bit goes from AMD...but from what you mentioned about the pricing of the processor specifically, you're looking at the plain Jane non FX, non-opteron, entry level processor. 90 bucks..not bad...

    ....you'll have a fiine array of mobo's to choose from, and of course if you want to shop online you'll head over to http://www.newegg.com . Great prices most of the time, and you can get some decent feedback from people who have actually bought and used the products they sell...

    ..anyway, back to the basics. The processor you talk about works great with most of the games out there today and presumably, since you're here at MMORPG, that's at least a LITTLE important to you...so you won't go wron with any of the 64 bit offerings, so long as you've got an appropriate amount of RAM..naturally. If you gimp yourself there , there's no proc in the world that's gonna get over that hump. With a proc price of 90 bucks there's just no excuse to go cheap on the RAM.

    AMD's 64 bit line is fully backward compatible with your 32 bit apps, of course, and I want to stress that it ISN'T emulated. Coming down the pipes in short order will be a 64 bit version of WIN XP, which you may or may not want to take advantage of depending on what apps take advantage of that fully, but regardless of where you go in that respect you will , for all intents and purposes, be able to feel pretty secure in the notion that you can keep your old games and apps.

    Performance: When they first came out they took the crown, briefly. Intel answered with the "extreme" line and have vapor-showcased their 64 bit (For this discussion , Xeon is left out since it's clearly not designed for what we're talking about here, and will never be a gaming/consumer desktop proc) offering. The companies are neck and neck now at the high end...but IMO AMDtakes the cake at the low-midrange in both price AND performance, though only slightly in the latter.

    I'm not biased either. I'm an early adopter and I own both AMD and Intel platforms , and I game on all of them. I paid WAY too much for my AMD 64...but I've never really regretted it...and if price is a big concern on your list you ought to give it strong consideration. i don't think you'd be in any way disappointed.

    ...well, I think I've rambled enough. If not , lemme know and I'll put up some more :-P

    Anya

  • SonorisSonoris Member Posts: 54

    Originally posted by morbidanya
    Performance: When they first came out they took the crown, briefly. Intel answered with the "extreme" line and have vapor-showcased their 64 bit (For this discussion , Xeon is left out since it's clearly not designed for what we're talking about here, and will never be a gaming/consumer desktop proc) offering. The companies are neck and neck now at the high end...but IMO AMDtakes the cake at the low-midrange in both price AND performance, though only slightly in the latter.I'm not biased either. I'm an early adopter and I own both AMD and Intel platforms , and I game on all of them. I paid WAY too much for my AMD 64...but I've never really regretted it...and if price is a big concern on your list you ought to give it strong consideration. i don't think you'd be in any way disappointed.

    Humm intresting....
    So Basicly the AMD 64 is a low to midrange in performance, Correct (is that considering all the models)? So what are some Mid to upper range processors. The reason I ask this is because IM looking for varied answers, and maybe some recommondations. Yet, I enjoyed alot of the help you gave me for understanding the market of the proccesors yet are there some that you could reccrommend? And also since you did give such a emphasis on the RAM which one should I go for... stick with SDRAM, or BUY new DDRAM or RDRAM

    ALSO in your your opinion should I looking toward the 64bit proccesors or should I just stick to the normal 32bit?

    Thanks agian


    STILL LOOKING FOR HELP FROM OTHERS.

  • Tech_FiendTech_Fiend Member Posts: 9


    Originally posted by morbidanya

    Here's the deal, in a nutshell, on the AMD offering. You have few routes to choose from as far as 64 bit goes from AMD...but from what you mentioned about the pricing of the processor specifically, you're looking at the plain Jane non FX, non-opteron, entry level processor. 90 bucks..not bad...


              I hate to argue, but your not going to find an AMD 64 for less than $150, and that's cheap. The lowest price I have found is $173, at newegg.com. You can put a decent system together with an Athlon XP 2800+ Barton core, that will give you 333 MHz front side and an MSI K7N2 Delta ILSR board. The mobo has built in SATA, runs on the nForce 2 Ultra 400 chipset, so you don't need a sound card for surround, 10/100 Lan, and firewire. That combo will run you around $233, but well worth it. Morbidanya is correct about needing an Athlon 64 for running todays games thought, Linneage II for example won't run well on anything less than an Athlon FX or P4 at high clock speeds and about 1 GB RAM, then there's the DirectX 9 video card, that'll cost about another bill or two. One more thing, OEM means that you DO NOT get the retail packaging and warranty.  On processors 3 years for retail, 30 days to 1 year OEM, just depends on if you trust who your buying from.


    Tech Fiend
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    Tech Fiend
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  • JolephJoleph Member Posts: 31

    when they had fragapaloza here last summer i think it was. there was a  guy who had a computer that was cooled by coke atleast thats what he used he like to drink his pop warm.

    mmmmmmmmmm stale warm pop how can you go wrong there mmmmmmmmm cough cough cough just drank a bug cough cough cough maybe i should of put the lid back on

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  • Tech_FiendTech_Fiend Member Posts: 9
    Never built a liquid cooled rig, but I don't like mixing water (or coke) and electricity. One small leak and... BAM!!!...there goes about $1000 and all your data.

    Tech Fiend
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  • SatansDiscipleSatansDisciple Member Posts: 2,782

    Originally posted by grunty

    I spent 40 minutes creating a reply to your post. During that time MMORPG.com decided to log me off their site. I'm not going to spend another 40 minutes to recreate what I wrote. Blame mmorpg.com.

    that sometimes happens to me. just press back on your browser and copy/paste your post after you log back in.

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  • morbidanyamorbidanya Member Posts: 45

    Yeah, Tech_Fiend, I was thinking maybe that might have been an error in the thread originator's post..and that he likely just got the price mixed up with a low end athlon...

    but, well...I'm not gonna argue with him. Maybe I read it incorrectly. I'm gonna have to go back and peek.

    But the 64 bit offerings are all pretty good, and priced right across the board. I am not overly happy with the game of socket musical chairs AMD is playing right now, but I DO understand why they're doing so. Nonetheless, it makes choosing for the long term a little more difficult than it ought to be, IMO.

    Anya

  • Tech_FiendTech_Fiend Member Posts: 9
    I know what you mean any, thats why I've held off of the 754. The 939 will come out soon and the price drop in the current FXs will be huge. I usually stay just behind the tech curve, saves me some ducats.

    Tech Fiend
    -Technology is your Friend-

    Tech Fiend
    -Technology is your Friend-

  • SonorisSonoris Member Posts: 54

    Originally posted by morbidanya
    Yeah, Tech_Fiend, I was thinking maybe that might have been an error in the thread originator's post..and that he likely just got the price mixed up with a low end athlon...but, well...I'm not gonna argue with him. Maybe I read it incorrectly. I'm gonna have to go back and peek.But the 64 bit offerings are all pretty good, and priced right across the board. I am not overly happy with the game of socket musical chairs AMD is playing right now, but I DO understand why they're doing so. Nonetheless, it makes choosing for the long term a little more difficult than it ought to be, IMO.Anya

    No I did find a Mobo and AMD XP 2600 combo for 99- and Fry's electronics.

    BTW what is a comparable intel to the XP 2600

  • SatansDiscipleSatansDisciple Member Posts: 2,782

    pentium 4 2.6 ghz. not sure of the price, but its likely significantly more.

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  • SonorisSonoris Member Posts: 54

    Thanks Disciple

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