mediocre scores for a mediocre title . Pretty dead on so far.
Judging from the quote "up yours" under your avatar, I'd just like to thank Sigil for making the game exactly how they have. Seems to keep a$$holes out of the game.
Originally posted by Stoneysilenc I can't believe the writer complained about WASD movement and it not having point and click!?! No MMO that has used P&C has done very well and has generally been ravaged for that choice. Wish was, Shadowbane was. Sounded like to me that this was the writers first MMO if they complained about that.
Guild Wars used point and click... they also used WASD. Good choice really so both camps can be happy. I don't much like point and click myself but no need to not have it both ways. I remember when the Wish devs basically threw a fit when people kept asking for WASD (they used PnC)... was interesting.
Originally posted by anarchyart Originally posted by solareus mediocre scores for a mediocre title . Pretty dead on so far.
Judging from the quote "up yours" under your avatar, I'd just like to thank Sigil for making the game exactly how they have. Seems to keep a$$holes out of the game.
Actually it keeps them in VG, in your case anyway and out of the ones that folks like.
Whenever the fanboy high wears off and you realize you've been in a game that you could have been playing for some 7 years (EQ1) you'll kick yourself.
Originally posted by Somnulus If you utilize auto-run in a point and click game, you still have to point and click to give your character a destination/direction; what a pain in the butt.
Why would you use the auto-run button AND point and click? By clicking your destination doesn't it put you in an auto-run/auto-move.?
Even if Lineage I and II have all those subscribers...it doesn't really matter since the game is bad, now does it? Point and Click is inferior in almost every way to being able to control with WASD. You have less control, and most point and click interfaces have terrible pathing and directional issues.
As far as I understand both WoW and GuildWars support both point and click and WSAD, I don't see why all/most MMOs couldn't adopt that solution and keep everyone happy. Personally I have disliked every and single one MMO that didn't allow me for WSAD movement.
And while on the subject of controls, what is it with all (that I have seen) Asian MMOs not allowing you to redefine keys? How hard can that be to code?
ROFL on the point and click drama. Never even heard of P&C til this thread. P&C would absolutely suck as a gaming interface, IMO.
Did anyone notice the review at gamespy? The guy gave it a score of "fair" then spends the majority of the review crying about how hard the game is. OMG, is he serious? VG is rediculously easy compared to its predecessor (EQ1). Kudos to Blizzard for dumbing down the MMO population to the point that anything resembling a challenge is considered "way too hard."
Bah let me rewrite this....hand me my tinfoil hat, I smell a conspiracy. Check out Gamespy's review of Burning Crusade and VG:
Burning Crusade: "Everything we loved about WoW, but improved: new, interesting races; new, more attractive zones; tons of more interesting quests. "
VG: "Uninspired graphics that don't merit the high system requirements; buggy premature release."
Cough, hack...ahem, from what I heard from some WoWrs, that expansion is nothing to return to the game for. From what I've experienced in VG for myself, the graphics are beyond inspiring...they're in the realm of magical. If you want to dis VG, it is credential-defeating to point to graphics.
Luckily, i don't need you to like me to enjoy video games. -nariusseldon. In F2P I think it's more a case of the game's trying to play the player's. -laserit
Actually it keeps them in VG, in your case anyway and out of the ones that folks like. Whenever the fanboy high wears off and you realize you've been in a game that you could have been playing for some 7 years (EQ1) you'll kick yourself. Cheers.
Well juding by your case, it keeps them out, and also keeps them quite ignorant if I do say so myself.
Holding both mouse buttons allows you to run and guide your path just as point and click does, difference its more accurate to do it with both mouse buttons held down imo. If the reviewer didn't mention that he simply didn't play the game enough, I figured it out simply playing the game as I do any mmo.
ROFL on the point and click drama. Never even heard of P&C til this thread. P&C would absolutely suck as a gaming interface, IMO. Did anyone notice the review at gamespy? The guy gave it a score of "fair" then spends the majority of the review crying about how hard the game is. OMG, is he serious? VG is rediculously easy compared to its predecessor (EQ1). Kudos to Blizzard for dumbing down the MMO population to the point that anything resembling a challenge is considered "way too hard." http://pc.gamespy.com/pc/vanguard-saga-of-heroes/763951p1.html Bah let me rewrite this....hand me my tinfoil hat, I smell a conspiracy. Check out Gamespy's review of Burning Crusade and VG: Burning Crusade: "Everything we loved about WoW, but improved: new, interesting races; new, more attractive zones; tons of more interesting quests. " VG: "Uninspired graphics that don't merit the high system requirements; buggy premature release." Cough, hack...ahem, from what I heard from some WoWrs, that expansion is nothing to return to the game for. From what I've experienced in VG for myself, the graphics are beyond inspiring...they're in the realm of magical. If you want to dis VG, it is credential-defeating to point to graphics.
Exactly. The reviewer didn't even point out features of the game. He probably got to lvl 1, and cried because his Emachines couldn't run on low settings. The entire review was "I couldnt find a group, so its a terrible game." The guy probably didn't have general chat enabled. And I know what you mean, his TBC review was as though it was the holy grail. Burning Crusade is more of the same thing. Me and all my friends have played WoW since release, and all agree on this fact. 5 or 6 new zones, and a few more extremely easy(much easier than previous content) instances. I like this compilation of reviews in the thread, but that one was just downright unfair past the point where he said it was unfinished.
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Originally posted by anarchyart Originally posted by solareus mediocre scores for a mediocre title . Pretty dead on so far.
Judging from the quote "up yours" under your avatar, I'd just like to thank Sigil for making the game exactly how they have. Seems to keep a$$holes out of the game.
Actually it keeps them in VG, in your case anyway and out of the ones that folks like.
Whenever the fanboy high wears off and you realize you've been in a game that you could have been playing for some 7 years (EQ1) you'll kick yourself.
Cheers.
I havnt played Vanguard yet, so I wont comment on whether it's good or not, but if there's ANY game can keep me entertained for 7 years, you can be damned sure I'd welcome more of it, not kick myself.
Bah let me rewrite this....hand me my tinfoil hat, I smell a conspiracy. Check out Gamespy's review of Burning Crusade and VG: Burning Crusade: "Everything we loved about WoW, but improved: new, interesting races; new, more attractive zones; tons of more interesting quests. " VG: "Uninspired graphics that don't merit the high system requirements; buggy premature release." Cough, hack...ahem, from what I heard from some WoWrs, that expansion is nothing to return to the game for. From what I've experienced in VG for myself, the graphics are beyond inspiring...they're in the realm of magical. If you want to dis VG, it is credential-defeating to point to graphics.
Yep. The point is that potentially great games are ruined by ADVERTISEMENT and fanboys who can't think outside the freaking box. Both of these games are already a couple years behind the technology and the HYPE.
mediocre scores for a mediocre title . Pretty dead on so far.
If it's a poor review score, it's because the reviewer is no good, they don't know what they're talking about, they didn't play the game past the newbie areas, the reviewer is a WoW lover, etc., etc.
If it were a great review (if there was one), it would be right on target, well thought out, and fair.
I cant wait for MMOGCHART.com to make his new graphs showing VG having .0000000001% of the market lol.
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I bet you are so excited, too! Golly gee what a wonderful day that will be!!
I'm simply amazed at how many people that don't like Vanguard do nothing but sit around looking for new ways to bash the game and then look for others to validate what they think. Did someone over at Sigil knock up your sister or something for you to be so anxious for the game to fail?
I don’t see what the big problem is, everyone is entitled to their own views and nothing anyone else says should change that. I personal think SWG, Pre-NGE, was the best game ever. WoW sucks, So I say and it shouldn’t matter to anyone else. Vanguard is the best thing out there right now, I enjoy it and nothing anyone else can say will change that.
So, why don’t we go back to our own games and leave each other alone unless we’re being constructive. No more “My game is better then yours…..just because”
people that don't like Vanguard do nothing but sit around looking for new ways to bash the game
Are there any new ways? If so tell me because I might have missed one. Yes, apparently, point and click is the way to go. You can now add this in your arsenal of, well, pointless bashing.
PnC might work well for a top down perspective, but for a 3D game? Ugh.
Someone mentioned WoW dumbing down gaming as well. While I agree in principle, I don't think it's just WoW. It seems to be an across the board thing. Games used to be pretty damned hard to beat, and somewhere along the line someone let the general public in, and the whining began, and little by little they've been dumbing down the games ever since.
And for whatever it's worth, Vanguard, though enjoyable, won't be getting any recognition from Mensa any day soon. The level curve is longer, but other than that, playing your character efficiently is no greater mental exercise than WoW, EQ2, or any other whack-a-mole game.
Or maybe he couldn't run the game on a high-end system, got mad and gave it a bad review. See? It works both ways. While it's obviouse the reviewer didn't really know much about the game, it still doesn't excuse the problems that the game actually does have. You guys praising the game to high heaven and denying that the game has no problems at all does a huge disservice to the gaming community and potential buyers.
Or maybe he couldn't run the game on a high-end system, got mad and gave it a bad review. See? It works both ways. While it's obviouse the reviewer didn't really know much about the game, it still doesn't excuse the problems that the game actually does have. You guys praising the game to high heaven and denying that the game has no problems at all does a huge disservice to the gaming community and potential buyers.
and it doesn't deserve the praise at all i just don't get why poeple will blind themselves from the truth. comeon next gen? I doubt it and if it is can we skip this one and move on to another generation cuase this one sucks
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Judging from the quote "up yours" under your avatar, I'd just like to thank Sigil for making the game exactly how they have. Seems to keep a$$holes out of the game.
Guild Wars used point and click... they also used WASD. Good choice really so both camps can be happy. I don't much like point and click myself but no need to not have it both ways. I remember when the Wish devs basically threw a fit when people kept asking for WASD (they used PnC)... was interesting.
http://www.greycouncil.org/
Actually it keeps them in VG, in your case anyway and out of the ones that folks like.
Whenever the fanboy high wears off and you realize you've been in a game that you could have been playing for some 7 years (EQ1) you'll kick yourself.
Cheers.
http://www.greycouncil.org/
Why would you use the auto-run button AND point and click? By clicking your destination doesn't it put you in an auto-run/auto-move.?
And while on the subject of controls, what is it with all (that I have seen) Asian MMOs not allowing you to redefine keys? How hard can that be to code?
ROFL on the point and click drama. Never even heard of P&C til this thread. P&C would absolutely suck as a gaming interface, IMO.
Did anyone notice the review at gamespy? The guy gave it a score of "fair" then spends the majority of the review crying about how hard the game is. OMG, is he serious? VG is rediculously easy compared to its predecessor (EQ1). Kudos to Blizzard for dumbing down the MMO population to the point that anything resembling a challenge is considered "way too hard."
http://pc.gamespy.com/pc/vanguard-saga-of-heroes/763951p1.html
Bah let me rewrite this....hand me my tinfoil hat, I smell a conspiracy. Check out Gamespy's review of Burning Crusade and VG:
Burning Crusade: "Everything we loved about WoW, but improved: new, interesting races; new, more attractive zones; tons of more interesting quests. "
VG: "Uninspired graphics that don't merit the high system requirements; buggy premature release."
Cough, hack...ahem, from what I heard from some WoWrs, that expansion is nothing to return to the game for. From what I've experienced in VG for myself, the graphics are beyond inspiring...they're in the realm of magical. If you want to dis VG, it is credential-defeating to point to graphics.
Luckily, i don't need you to like me to enjoy video games. -nariusseldon.
In F2P I think it's more a case of the game's trying to play the player's. -laserit
Well juding by your case, it keeps them out, and also keeps them quite ignorant if I do say so myself.
Cheers.
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Actually it keeps them in VG, in your case anyway and out of the ones that folks like.
Whenever the fanboy high wears off and you realize you've been in a game that you could have been playing for some 7 years (EQ1) you'll kick yourself.
Cheers.
I havnt played Vanguard yet, so I wont comment on whether it's good or not, but if there's ANY game can keep me entertained for 7 years, you can be damned sure I'd welcome more of it, not kick myself.
REDUCED TO POINT and CLICK AND N. America vs ASIA!!!!
I just love it. Keep it up. The developers will listen to you.
If it's a poor review score, it's because the reviewer is no good, they don't know what they're talking about, they didn't play the game past the newbie areas, the reviewer is a WoW lover, etc., etc.
If it were a great review (if there was one), it would be right on target, well thought out, and fair.
Now that's some strange logic.
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I bet you are so excited, too! Golly gee what a wonderful day that will be!!
I'm simply amazed at how many people that don't like Vanguard do nothing but sit around looking for new ways to bash the game and then look for others to validate what they think. Did someone over at Sigil knock up your sister or something for you to be so anxious for the game to fail?
I don’t see what the big problem is, everyone is entitled to their own views and nothing anyone else says should change that. I personal think SWG, Pre-NGE, was the best game ever. WoW sucks, So I say and it shouldn’t matter to anyone else. Vanguard is the best thing out there right now, I enjoy it and nothing anyone else can say will change that.
So, why don’t we go back to our own games and leave each other alone unless we’re being constructive. No more “My game is better then yours…..just because”
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PnC might work well for a top down perspective, but for a 3D game? Ugh.
Someone mentioned WoW dumbing down gaming as well. While I agree in principle, I don't think it's just WoW. It seems to be an across the board thing. Games used to be pretty damned hard to beat, and somewhere along the line someone let the general public in, and the whining began, and little by little they've been dumbing down the games ever since.
And for whatever it's worth, Vanguard, though enjoyable, won't be getting any recognition from Mensa any day soon. The level curve is longer, but other than that, playing your character efficiently is no greater mental exercise than WoW, EQ2, or any other whack-a-mole game.