Question For Vets?

UnKn0wN · April 2004

Will I'm a big War Buff, my favorite war happened to be world war 2. I've been playing a game called Battlefield 1942 (online FPS) for almost 2 years now. My question is have any of you played both, and if so how would you compare the two? I know their totally two different types of game, but if i loved BF1942 as much as i have, will i enjoy WW2 Online?

Any help or feedback would be appreciated.

Gallant · April 2004

Completely different games. Let me see, without bashing 1942 to much I'll try to give you a feel of the considerable differences.

In ww2ol you fight in a truely MASSIVE and seemless world. You can take a mission to attack a town that is 5 miles from your base (spawning area)...BUT, rather than being confined inside of a given area or to specific goals, you are free to go ANYWHERE. You can fly from England to the freakin Alps if you so desire.

Another major difference is that the vehicles and their individual physics are modeled much, much more accurately. In bf1942 the vehicles have hit points. In ww2ol they have ARMOR. In bf1942 they have an amount of damage they do (with their weapons), in ww2ol the ability to kill is not straight forward. It is based on a miriad of factors. The rounds velocity, the angle at which it hits the armor, the angle of the armor, it's thickness, the weight and total kinetic energy of the round, the amount of explosive charge contained within the round...basically, it is as close to REAL as you can get today. All actions in ww2ol, be it an infantryman firing his rifle or a bomber dropping a 250 kg bomb or even a destroyer firing it's 5" main guns are all governed by these factors.

As far as the "experience" goes, ww2ol is a much different feel. It is not a "spawn and shoot" game very often. It is much more of a move and shoot game. You may sometimes have to drive or fly or sail quite a way to find the action. Sometimes there doesn't seem to be any! lol (due to the world being so massive) What make it so special is those moments when you find your self imbroiled in a major battle. The sounds, the sights, the excitement of it all. It can get overwhelming sometimes because it is on a whole different scale than any other game.

This game is made for war buffs. It is made to satisfy people that demand more than a hollywood shoot'em up. It is a simulation of war. It isn't the glitz and glamor, there are no Rambos here (at least not for long hehe).

ww2ol is not perfect. If you are looking for something to whine about you will definately find it here..But if you keep your eyes open and your weapon loaded you will find SO, SO many things that you have never seen online before.

If you THINK you have what it takes..

A Salute to you!!!

Colonel Gallant - Axis Forces - JG53

Pruitt · April 2004

That's a pretty good description, Gallant!

The other important consideration in WWIIOL, is no single player is going to affect the outcome of the war. It is essential that you work with others. To that extent, to get the most out of the game, and overcome the large learning curve (remember, these are pretty realistically modeled avatars. There is no "Easy" mode" Just pure PvP) it would be important to involve yourself with an established squad. Most in the game are very willing to train you.

In a few months, that will change when a long awaited development known as "Deployment" will be added to the game. Once this happens, you'll be placed in an established unit automatically. Until then, we do it ourselves, by joning established squads.

I should also point out you are not REQUIRED to join a squad. You can play by yourself. But as in a real war, you're much better with someone watching out for your back then you are fighting an Army by yourself.

Hope you give it a try. From the sounds of your post, WWIIOL might be the game for you!

!S

Generallieutenant Pruitt, Retired GHC
1st Lithuanian Brigade "Iron Wolves"

Muhler · April 2004

Gallant has pretty much nailed it. They are two completly different games. If you want something more realistic than a tiger being taken out by a sherman head on this is for you.

One key point. Dont get frustrated. I have never played a game with a steeper learning curve. Itll take a month or two to get the hang of things. Thats normal. Get with a unit that'll train you and youll be alright.

UnKn0wN · April 2004

Thanks guys i appreciate the replies back. I figure no matter what it's atleast worth a try, if i read correctly 9$ to buy and 12$ a month right?

I have a couple more questions if any of you can help out, first how are the graphics i saw the screenshots and they looked fine, but i've heard their pretty bad (but if im not mistaken they updated their engine right?) But anyway how much different is BF1942 compared to WW2OL graphic wise? I mean im not picky by all means, i prefer gameplay over looks but to an extent.

Also you talk about learning curve, i've been playing BF1942 for almost 2 years, will that kind of experience help at all when it comes to WW2OL i mean, WW2OL is a FPS mix (vehicles, planes) just like BF1942 correct? So i love to fly in BF1942, i find it the most relaxing and the dogfights the most rewarding for me, how are WW2OL dogfights and flight physics? How do they compare to BF1942?

Another question i have, will the steep learning curve be worth it for me? Being i've played BF1942 so long, will the experience be ruined by my experience with BF1942? Again any help is appreciated and thanks again for the replies.

Dsty2001 · April 2004

The graphics are pretty good, there not on par with BF1942 but their not horrible. The terrain is beautiful, the buildings need a bit more work though. As for learning curve, it is extremely high, and if you don't have alot of patience don't even fool with WW2OL. Trust me on that

[quote]So i love to fly in BF1942, i find it the most relaxing and the dogfights the most rewarding for me, how are WW2OL dogfights and flight physics? How do they compare to BF1942?[/quote]

Compared to BF1942 the Flight Model is alot more realistic. As for the dogfights, alot depends on where you fly. When you get into a big one though, it is pretty intense and only the skilled and experienced usually survive. If I was you I'd wait till 1.14, because soon after it I think there is supposed to be a free trial.

Sometimes, it is better to say nothing at all. Cause big mouths results in big words, and big words travel like bacteria.

Plasson · April 2004

The Prices aren't quite rigth on this site.. Sort of. The cost is 19.99 to buy the game key, wich also includes 30 days, and after that it's 12.95 per month. So it becomes sort of 9$ to buy.. actually 7 if you look at it.

Edit: About the graphics, they aren't the best, but sufficient, and have just been improved, as You've seen. And more is about to come. I found this game last february, after playing BF1942 since release, and virtually stopped playing BF, Just loading it now and then for a quick fix of carefree killing.

Edit2: About the experience from bf1942 helping in wwiiol... Don't know really. any good knowlegde of field movement, positioning etc will come in handy. But.. Things like Tanks are a whole nother story when it comes to controlling. Here you need a Joystick(can work with mouse.. I think...) and you have to jump between drivers, commanders, gunners and in some, loader/mg gunners seat, and control them (the latter is usually just necessary if your main gunner is killed, though don't ask why none of the 4 other crewmen can take his place...)

You'll also need to learn every vehicle you'll encounter, with regards to their capabillity, and weakness. Don't ever charge a P3H with a Vickers, for instance. .50 cal. don't have that much penetration (or anything heavier than a 232) :P But if you are a ww2 buff, this should come easy

Juris · April 2004

One more thing we forgot to add. YOU NEED a joystick to fly or drive a tank. You can download the program and play the offline version for free to get used to the vehicles. There are no other players there but its a great place to learn.

If your interested in joining the best AXIS squad out there check us out Sturmgranadier (SG) we have over 150 active members

www.sghq.com

Muhler · April 2004

I dont think playing BF42 will help you an awful lot. Its too much of a bunny-hopping FPS (from when I played atleast) to give you good exp. Here you have to hide behind berms, sprint to a tree line, scout for snipers, sprint to the next tree line ect... If you have a unit with a lmg or rifle grenades to cover you youll be in good shape.

As for flying; not only is the flight model realistic but youll need to use real tactics. If you fly German you cant turn and burn with the Brits or French. You have to be pretty good at energy fighting. On the other side the Allied airplanes generally cant keep up with the Axis, so you have to get them into a turn fight where they lose E faster.

When/if you get in game and try German tune channel 15 on your radio (read the manual, youll know what i mean) and hook up with 2nd Infantrie Division (mot). We have three squads (Panzer Lehr in KG1, 35th Inf and Dixie Division in KG2) all of which will be more than happy to help you. There is also the training server which holds classes weekly. See the link on the WWIIOL page for more on it (I dont know much).

S!
Muhler

Slamen · April 2004

Hey Unknown,

Take a look at this thread. It demonstrates the type of damage models all tanks/planes have in game with pics.

http://www.mmorpg.com/discussion.cfm/loadforum/526/loadthread/11000/setstart/1/loadclass/181

Szyporyn · April 2004

Airbattles in WWII Online cannot be compared to anything at all in any game at all simple as that!

An Airbattle in WWII Online has a life of its own, and skills really pays off and there is soo many perspectives to take into considerations, so much comms goin on TeamSpeak that after becomming better at it you sometimes forget that you are not over the battlefields of Europe but at home!

The game as I see it is 2nd to none when flying in a graphically sence.

Some good tips when flying and new to the game!

Look for Fighter/Bomber wings forming on the communication CHs - Join them!

Never fly alone, allways have a WingMan

Find a Squad to join ASAP!

Get on TeamSpeak ASAP!

Altitude = Energy = Speed = Life

Never fly straight for a longer period of time in combat (longer period of time being some 15 secs)

Learn the slang fast!

Read all you can about Basic combat Manouvers & Advanced Combat Manouvers, you actually can use this

Talk and ask for help in game, we got some serious pilots here, reallife combat pilots, intructors, technics, old war veterans all kind of people with serious insight. All of them more than glad to learn others the art of flying!

Hope you have fun :-)

UnKn0wN · April 2004

thanks Slamen and Szyporyn for that info, i think i may just wait for the free online trial. That way i can know for sure, if i should make the transition from bf1942 to WW2OL. For me in BF1942, theres been some good air combat, but i heard that in WW2OL you can have 30 or 40 planes dogfighting it out at once? That's the type of realistic experience i'd enjoy, even if i got my butt owned, it'd be a joy just experiencing all the mayhem!

Slamen · April 2004

So you want to fly do ya. Well my impression from bf1942 when it first came out is that the planes were simplistic in flight with mouse controls. In ww2ol, you will need a joystick with 3 axis (twist handle or rudder peddels) to be compeditive.

Let me give you a few pics I have held on to over the couple of years.

You will need to use the scroll bar at the bottom of this reply to see all parts of the pictures.

This one is was taken during a player organized scenario with a JU87 strike on England.

This pic is when the German flight was jumped by 6 Spitfires. I'm the one on the left

We were at about 19,000 feet over the English Channel.

THis one is a Hurricane flying into a group of HE111 bombers. I think the Hurricane pilot choose a bad approach.

Here is another pic from the German side.

Here is another player organized scenario with Allied bombers heading to Leige.

This is what happens when a group of BF109Es tangle/pull away the escorts and allow the following group of ME110c to attack.

Here is a stick of bombs landing on a German production factory. Bombing Factories in game does hinder the opponents by slowing down the time it takes for them to get newer researched equipment.

By the way, you can download the full version and try it in Offline (practice) mode. There isn't anyone to shoot at but there are ground targets to practice at. Also there is an island south of the inital spawn point where three flak batteries fire at you. You can practice level bombing while under fire.

Later

Slamen

MUGWUMP · April 2004

Damn, some of those pics are OLD!

If you need instant action this game is NOT for you.

If you want a challenging where 99% of what's shooting at you is another player(PvP-there's a small chance of getting hit my AI controlled stuff but you learn how to avoid it)this is the game for you.

I don't think anyone mentioned that you can man anti-aircraft guns or anti-tank guns. There's also some boats to play with

You can grab a troop transport,(like a pickup truck) load up 10 of your best buddies and accidently kill 'em all because you went over that berm a BIT to fast. AT and AA guns can hook up to the trucks to be pulled to strategic points cutting off enemy supply to a front line town.

If sneaking around for 30 minutes just so you can sneak up on some guy and knife him is your idea of fun then this game is for you.

The infantry game is a bit clunky, but it doesn't detract too much.

Graphics are pretty much sub-par but you have to take into account the size of the playfield and all of the physics/ballistics stuff going on in the background.

Wait a month or so and they should have a free trial out

Slamen · April 2004

Well I did say that I have had those pics for a couple of years.

Here is a good movie to view. Its a recruitment film for an allied squad but its has good Air to Air against bombers.

http://www.chawks.com/movies/airwar.wmv

And here is another short movie to show that its not all about the air war.

http://www.chawks.com/movies/tanks.wmv

me262a · May 2004

Be advised that you need some SERIOUS system memory AND a high-end video card to play this game. Check the http://www.wwiionline.com/ website and explore it thoroughly to find out what you need.

Good luck,

Me262

Sres · May 2004

With 1.14 the system spec requirements dropped a fair bit. I play max/max graphics and sound with around 30fps on a p4 2ghz with 1gig mem.

wlfman · May 2004

I also avg around 25-30 fps and I only have a AMD 1800+ with a geforce4 ti4400 and only 512 of ram. I would hardly call that a high end system.

www.Razorbacks2.com

me262a · May 2004

Maybe so, but not all players around the world may consider that to be so. Just a heads up for the new player. Also, in future, CRS has pretty much promised that dialup users will be dropped in favor of broadband-type ISP users.

Me262a

Pruitt · May 2004

Originally posted by me262a

Maybe so, but not all players around the world may consider that to be so. Just a heads up for the new player. Also, in future, CRS has pretty much promised that dialup users will be dropped in favor of broadband-type ISP users.
Me262a

That is catagorically untrue, me262. Newver once have they stated thta. In fact their data transport system is optimized for 56k users, not BB users. And while they are indeed making sweeping changes to their update system, they have never once stated they were dropping dialup users.

If it's your decision to bash the game, at least do it factually and not with something imaginary.

Qweets · May 2004

Unknown i was like you once, one of the fast FPS players.. I played the battlefield games alot... BF1942 and BF:V... but just about a week ago i decided to give this game a go, it was the best decision ever.. This game is simply amazing.. its soooo badass. I'm a big WWII buff and this game is realistic and everything.. it just rocks.. Deffinetly give it a go

manohun · May 2004

I was a BF42 player myself, played in the best hungarian clan, i was even a member of the hungarian BF team in clanbase. But i stoped playing BF immediatly, with many of my former clanmates when we found this game 1 year ago.

The only Hungarian squad in WWII Online

HUN HQ: http://www.wwiionline.hu

Drumgor · May 2004

I'm sure me262a's intention wasn't to bash the game, Pruitt. Just a misunderstanding on his part probably. But there was a statement of one of devs a while back that said that the 64 limit and some other problems of the game could be avoided if the game was designed for broadband. Then there was a discussion about this for a month or so but in the end those discussing about this figured out that there was too big a percentage of players that were using 56ks (10%++) for such an action to be taken.

manohun · May 2004

From the 2004 roadmap

"New Update System: Our groundbreaking update system has served us well for 3 years but it is due for replacement.

RELATED FEATURES AND SYSTEMS:

Increased Visible Player Limit - A new method of handling the up and down-flow of our update data (the updates to and from players) will allow us to re-manage our visible player limits to show more players and reduce bandwidth resources. This means youll be seeing more players and less warping. "

So it will not increase but decrease ))

The only Hungarian squad in WWII Online

HUN HQ: http://www.wwiionline.hu

me262a · June 2004

Pruitt,

I did not intend to bash the game. I made my statement apparently based on outdated info. My concern was for a player who felt the game was unsatisfactory because their system was not a relatively recent one. GeForce2 cards no longer are recommended, for example. I apologize for any misunderstandings and for my own...

Respectfully,

Me262

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