There wont be any MISTAKES,that's just absurd.They would review the activity and game logs an make an educated decision.There not just grabbing a name and saying your banned.A mistake would be something like they meant to ban joe blow but instead banned joe bloe,on a typo error.Even if on the odd occasion an account got reversed,that player coulda been extremely lucky and a first time abuser and pretty much begged there way back into the game.Like i said before i have reported tons of very obvious cheaters,and got zero response.It takes an AWEFULL lot to get a ban,not a simple mistake.
I also eluded to the fact yes you can have a ton of activity as a crafter,but your game log will NOT be able to justify a 10 gold transaction to a level 5 player who has done no crafting and shows 3 hours of gameplay on there log.Add to the fact you giving them nothing in return is a dead giveaway.There is just too many easy ways for them to trace and track what each player does,including ip's and blocks of ip's.Don't forget the sheer FACT there is already a ton of gamesites advertising vanguard gold.I wouldn't be surprised if SONY buys some gold just to traceroute some ip activity of the delivering player,then check all other players that have come in contact with this player.
I have checked my game logs in FFXI and they even show your chat,and other chat that shows up on your screen as spam.Games also like to use TAGS or red flags.If you take part in an unordinary transaction it sets off a flag,then you are tagged and prolly watched for several days to follow.They don't have the resources to watch many players ,but im sure the big spenders are watched.
Never forget 3 mile Island and never trust a government official or company spokesman.
There wont be any MISTAKES,that's just absurd.They would review the activity and game logs an make an educated decision.There not just grabbing a name and saying your banned.A mistake would be something like they meant to ban joe blow but instead banned joe bloe,on a typo error.Even if on the odd occasion an account got reversed,that player coulda been extremely lucky and a first time abuser and pretty much begged there way back into the game.Like i said before i have reported tons of very obvious cheaters,and got zero response.It takes an AWEFULL lot to get a ban,not a simple mistake. I also eluded to the fact yes you can have a ton of activity as a crafter,but your game log will NOT be able to justify a 10 gold transaction to a level 5 player who has done no crafting and shows 3 hours of gameplay on there log.Add to the fact you giving them nothing in return is a dead giveaway.There is just too many easy ways for them to trace and track what each player does,including ip's and blocks of ip's.Don't forget the sheer FACT there is already a ton of gamesites advertising vanguard gold.I wouldn't be surprised if SONY buys some gold just to traceroute some ip activity of the delivering player,then check all other players that have come in contact with this player. I have checked my game logs in FFXI and they even show your chat,and other chat that shows up on your screen as spam.Games also like to use TAGS or red flags.If you take part in an unordinary transaction it sets off a flag,then you are tagged and prolly watched for several days to follow.They don't have the resources to watch many players ,but im sure the big spenders are watched.
And in the mean time they are pissing of what little player base they have. Banning guild leaders only pisses an entire guild off lol. Depending on how big the guild is well you could lose 5 to any number of players.
Typical SOE though piss people off then mob up later.
There wont be any MISTAKES,that's just absurd.They would review the activity and game logs an make an educated decision.There not just grabbing a name and saying your banned.A mistake would be something like they meant to ban joe blow but instead banned joe bloe,on a typo error.Even if on the odd occasion an account got reversed,that player coulda been extremely lucky and a first time abuser and pretty much begged there way back into the game.Like i said before i have reported tons of very obvious cheaters,and got zero response.It takes an AWEFULL lot to get a ban,not a simple mistake. I also eluded to the fact yes you can have a ton of activity as a crafter,but your game log will NOT be able to justify a 10 gold transaction to a level 5 player who has done no crafting and shows 3 hours of gameplay on there log.Add to the fact you giving them nothing in return is a dead giveaway.There is just too many easy ways for them to trace and track what each player does,including ip's and blocks of ip's.Don't forget the sheer FACT there is already a ton of gamesites advertising vanguard gold.I wouldn't be surprised if SONY buys some gold just to traceroute some ip activity of the delivering player,then check all other players that have come in contact with this player. I have checked my game logs in FFXI and they even show your chat,and other chat that shows up on your screen as spam.Games also like to use TAGS or red flags.If you take part in an unordinary transaction it sets off a flag,then you are tagged and prolly watched for several days to follow.They don't have the resources to watch many players ,but im sure the big spenders are watched.
This is inaccurate.
I've had friends start up on the same game as me, and sent them gold to help them get started. I wasn't going to ask him for his shirt for the gold...so I asked for nothing.
To say that there are no cases, ever, where money is exchanged out of good faith is blasphemous.
I'll cite an example from FFXI. Player run casinos. Players would roll, and if you got a higher/lower number, you could walk away with MILLIONS of gil for doing nothing. Certain folks are exceptionally lucky, and I know a few folks who gained over 30 million gil in a day doing this.
Just an example.
Waiting for something fresh to arrive on the MMO scene...
Well if they are giving large amounts to gold to people they obviously dont know at all then that should really be the defining characteristic of the gold farmer. Hopefully the farming itself isnt what is getting them banned Lots of people like to farm...
Originally posted by Phyluxia Originally posted by Ruffoz I'm a little surprised..If what I understood from the thread is right, if you farmed your rear end off to get some money to be ahead of people you would get banned just for having more gold than others?Lame.
You guys are looking at a small portion of a larger picture. It's not just having gold that makes you suspicious... it's the enormous amount of transactions that have seen money go to this account. Fortunately for this person, his activities are legit and his account should be reinstated soon, with a likely apology and free time tacked on. This is what needs to happen to thoroughly battle gold sales. There's a post over at SV where someone's guild bank got the same treatment. If you have have hundereds of transactions flowing into your toon daily and a mass amount of money, of course you're going to be tagged. Love it or not, i'm glad they're taking this stance. All i ask is that they ensure their investigations are quick and thorough and they reimburse anyone who they wrongfully suspend.
The problem is they should have done the research *BEFORE* banning him.
I'm a little surprised.. If what I understood from the thread is right, if you farmed your rear end off to get some money to be ahead of people you would get banned just for having more gold than others? Lame.
You guys are looking at a small portion of a larger picture. It's not just having gold that makes you suspicious... it's the enormous amount of transactions that have seen money go to this account. Fortunately for this person, his activities are legit and his account should be reinstated soon, with a likely apology and free time tacked on. This is what needs to happen to thoroughly battle gold sales. There's a post over at SV where someone's guild bank got the same treatment. If you have have hundereds of transactions flowing into your toon daily and a mass amount of money, of course you're going to be tagged.
Love it or not, i'm glad they're taking this stance. All i ask is that they ensure their investigations are quick and thorough and they reimburse anyone who they wrongfully suspend.
The problem is they should have done the research *BEFORE* banning him.
The bigger problem is you people jumping to conclusions and the poor little inocent victim even after years of watching the truth come out on the devs side. Stop believing all you read on the internet. So many wrong things said in this thread like;
they are random banning....
if you have x amount of gold they are banning....
they are banning anyone who was handed some money....
..etc.
..etc.
Do some research on your own and you will find there is always a lot more to these stories.
Freedom? Does this game really allow you true freedom?
There are currently 2 threads going about banning and suspension of accounts due to alleged gold farming.
Define "gold farming" for me...
Gold farming: farming for in-game monies for the purpose of reselling to other individual players..right? or... maybe just "grinding" an area for enough money to purchase a mount and some gear to go with it?
Define "gold farming" and then we'll know whether we are in favor with the secret police..or whether we will be investigated because we wanted to earn a living.
Good grief...I shall and will work and area for mats and for whatever meager money i can make..and if that is farming..then DAMNIT it's farming! I shall be allowed to roleplay and I shall be allowed to make a living on whatever MMO I choose!
PERIOD!
All I want is the truth Just gimme some truth John Lennon
After playing in these games for several years I can honestly say I do not believe a single friggin whine about being "unfairly banned" that I read anymore. You guys are ridiculous if you believe all these "I've been unfairly banned" stories you read. I'll take the devs word first any day. They have the most to lose from banning someone so I tend to believe they know what the hell they are doing.
I have seen little evidence that the Jolly Green Ranger and his crew have that much of a clue what they are doing. Actually much the reverse. The whole release stinks. Taking peoples $'s for a product that clearly isn't close to being ready is borderline illegal. You blindly believe these guys? You wanna buy a bridge?
Way too many responses just blatantly missing the whole point of banning and cheats.First of all giving ONE friend some money to help him get going willnot get you banned,giving several players gold SHOULD and most likely will get you banned.I am sure most of the bans were as a result of very early in game action.PLayers having and dealing with 50+ or 100+ gold inthe first or second day of play is just WRONG and SHOULD garner at least a look by the games DEVS.
Another thing that really gets me miffed ,is that there is far too many people bashing the game DEVS for showing some concern in trying to keep illegal activity from ruining the economy for all LEGITIMATE players.The proof is out there,there are tons of sites offering INSTANT delivery of gold ,and this was the case on the very first day.So don't even try to go there ,claiming all is foul,because it is NOT!.
WHoever posted the VERY LAME excuse that by banning players will piss off the guild?and lose accounts?
Let me tell you i couldn't give twocahoonas if the whole guild quit,because if the DEVS see fit too ban them ,then i gotta believe they are engaging in ILLEGAL activities.I really hope those guilds DO quit.None of the legitimate players,that are in the game for fun,want these people in the game...PLZ leave!
I realize it is the games design ,to once again totally encourage a broken economy,but it is still the players that abuse it,NOT the DEVS.
Why on earth are players buying 5+ accounts to just craft?That is completely insane and shows you are not in the game for the purpose of FUN,you are one of the many idiots trying to turn this game into a RMT game,and all about making gold not about partying and having FUN<<<<keyword.BS if you try and tell me crafting is the fun for you.You woulda bought this game if all they gave you was a crafting station?BS.
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Never forget 3 mile Island and never trust a government official or company spokesman.
That is a pretty strange way to stop people from buying and selling gold. How you can justify suspending accounts because some people have more gold than others is beyond me.
Here's a little known fact that can help explain why they can rationalize suspending people's accounts because they have more money than other players; this little-known dev is in charge of the in-game economy:
I don't know about anyone else, but when I log into a game and get in-game spam mail about gold selling thru someone's Ebay account I think he/she deserves to get banned. I don't want to have to read that crap when I want to enjoy a game. That is what the person was doing and I'm glad he was banned.
Defend it all you want.
- How can you talk if you haven't got a brain?
- I don't know, but some people without brains do an awful lot of talking, don't they?
Pandora's Box has already been opened, your not going to stop, or curb anything. If there is money to be made someone will waste the time to make it, regardless of how you feel as an individual or a customer.
Lastly they say time is money and as long as this holds true someone somewhere will always pay someone for their time.
To ban paying customers without proof and assumptions, and punish them for being the "CORE" demographic they were marketing too that progress faster(which includes accumulation of items/gold) is asinine at best.
Most people fail to realize that wow is not a kiddie game, people still suck at it like any noob, whats overlooked is the majority of mmorpg players have honed their skills and progressed where the basic mmorpg mechanics are well known and strategies can be applied to any game.
Solo'ing, body pulling, so and so mob gives so and so much money per kill, and this mob gives more exp per kill. Lets go farm this or that. It's not rocket science.
Sigill are Daytime TV game programmer graduate asshats, and brad is the boss from that movie Grandma's Boy who doesn't know what the hell his employees are doing.
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There wont be any MISTAKES,that's just absurd.They would review the activity and game logs an make an educated decision.There not just grabbing a name and saying your banned.A mistake would be something like they meant to ban joe blow but instead banned joe bloe,on a typo error.Even if on the odd occasion an account got reversed,that player coulda been extremely lucky and a first time abuser and pretty much begged there way back into the game.Like i said before i have reported tons of very obvious cheaters,and got zero response.It takes an AWEFULL lot to get a ban,not a simple mistake.
I also eluded to the fact yes you can have a ton of activity as a crafter,but your game log will NOT be able to justify a 10 gold transaction to a level 5 player who has done no crafting and shows 3 hours of gameplay on there log.Add to the fact you giving them nothing in return is a dead giveaway.There is just too many easy ways for them to trace and track what each player does,including ip's and blocks of ip's.Don't forget the sheer FACT there is already a ton of gamesites advertising vanguard gold.I wouldn't be surprised if SONY buys some gold just to traceroute some ip activity of the delivering player,then check all other players that have come in contact with this player.
I have checked my game logs in FFXI and they even show your chat,and other chat that shows up on your screen as spam.Games also like to use TAGS or red flags.If you take part in an unordinary transaction it sets off a flag,then you are tagged and prolly watched for several days to follow.They don't have the resources to watch many players ,but im sure the big spenders are watched.
Never forget 3 mile Island and never trust a government official or company spokesman.
Why not monitor the accounts before suspending them and generating even more bad press?
Typical SOE though piss people off then mob up later.
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I've had friends start up on the same game as me, and sent them gold to help them get started. I wasn't going to ask him for his shirt for the gold...so I asked for nothing.
To say that there are no cases, ever, where money is exchanged out of good faith is blasphemous.
I'll cite an example from FFXI. Player run casinos. Players would roll, and if you got a higher/lower number, you could walk away with MILLIONS of gil for doing nothing. Certain folks are exceptionally lucky, and I know a few folks who gained over 30 million gil in a day doing this.
Just an example.
Waiting for something fresh to arrive on the MMO scene...
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If they banned me by mistake, I wouldn't want back in.
You guys are looking at a small portion of a larger picture. It's not just having gold that makes you suspicious... it's the enormous amount of transactions that have seen money go to this account. Fortunately for this person, his activities are legit and his account should be reinstated soon, with a likely apology and free time tacked on. This is what needs to happen to thoroughly battle gold sales. There's a post over at SV where someone's guild bank got the same treatment. If you have have hundereds of transactions flowing into your toon daily and a mass amount of money, of course you're going to be tagged.
Love it or not, i'm glad they're taking this stance. All i ask is that they ensure their investigations are quick and thorough and they reimburse anyone who they wrongfully suspend.
The problem is they should have done the research *BEFORE* banning him.
Shadus
You guys are looking at a small portion of a larger picture. It's not just having gold that makes you suspicious... it's the enormous amount of transactions that have seen money go to this account. Fortunately for this person, his activities are legit and his account should be reinstated soon, with a likely apology and free time tacked on. This is what needs to happen to thoroughly battle gold sales. There's a post over at SV where someone's guild bank got the same treatment. If you have have hundereds of transactions flowing into your toon daily and a mass amount of money, of course you're going to be tagged.
Love it or not, i'm glad they're taking this stance. All i ask is that they ensure their investigations are quick and thorough and they reimburse anyone who they wrongfully suspend.
The problem is they should have done the research *BEFORE* banning him.
The bigger problem is you people jumping to conclusions and the poor little inocent victim even after years of watching the truth come out on the devs side. Stop believing all you read on the internet. So many wrong things said in this thread like;
they are random banning....
if you have x amount of gold they are banning....
they are banning anyone who was handed some money....
..etc.
..etc.
Do some research on your own and you will find there is always a lot more to these stories.
There are currently 2 threads going about banning and suspension of accounts due to alleged gold farming.
Define "gold farming" for me...
Gold farming: farming for in-game monies for the purpose of reselling to other individual players..right? or... maybe just "grinding" an area for enough money to purchase a mount and some gear to go with it?
Define "gold farming" and then we'll know whether we are in favor with the secret police..or whether we will be investigated because we wanted to earn a living.
Good grief...I shall and will work and area for mats and for whatever meager money i can make..and if that is farming..then DAMNIT it's farming! I shall be allowed to roleplay and I shall be allowed to make a living on whatever MMO I choose!
PERIOD!
All I want is the truth
Just gimme some truth
John Lennon
Way too many responses just blatantly missing the whole point of banning and cheats.First of all giving ONE friend some money to help him get going willnot get you banned,giving several players gold SHOULD and most likely will get you banned.I am sure most of the bans were as a result of very early in game action.PLayers having and dealing with 50+ or 100+ gold inthe first or second day of play is just WRONG and SHOULD garner at least a look by the games DEVS.
Another thing that really gets me miffed ,is that there is far too many people bashing the game DEVS for showing some concern in trying to keep illegal activity from ruining the economy for all LEGITIMATE players.The proof is out there,there are tons of sites offering INSTANT delivery of gold ,and this was the case on the very first day.So don't even try to go there ,claiming all is foul,because it is NOT!.
WHoever posted the VERY LAME excuse that by banning players will piss off the guild?and lose accounts?
Let me tell you i couldn't give twocahoonas if the whole guild quit,because if the DEVS see fit too ban them ,then i gotta believe they are engaging in ILLEGAL activities.I really hope those guilds DO quit.None of the legitimate players,that are in the game for fun,want these people in the game...PLZ leave!
I realize it is the games design ,to once again totally encourage a broken economy,but it is still the players that abuse it,NOT the DEVS.
Why on earth are players buying 5+ accounts to just craft?That is completely insane and shows you are not in the game for the purpose of FUN,you are one of the many idiots trying to turn this game into a RMT game,and all about making gold not about partying and having FUN<<<<keyword.BS if you try and tell me crafting is the fun for you.You woulda bought this game if all they gave you was a crafting station?BS.
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Never forget 3 mile Island and never trust a government official or company spokesman.
Serious Business!
I don't know about anyone else, but when I log into a game and get in-game spam mail about gold selling thru someone's Ebay account I think he/she deserves to get banned. I don't want to have to read that crap when I want to enjoy a game. That is what the person was doing and I'm glad he was banned.
Defend it all you want.
- How can you talk if you haven't got a brain?
- I don't know, but some people without brains do an awful lot of talking, don't they?
Personally I feel reassured they are taking an active stance, and I'm sure they will fix any mistakes as soon as they can, if any are indeed mistakes.
Lastly they say time is money and as long as this holds true someone somewhere will always pay someone for their time.
To ban paying customers without proof and assumptions, and punish them for being the "CORE" demographic they were marketing too that progress faster(which includes accumulation of items/gold) is asinine at best.
Most people fail to realize that wow is not a kiddie game, people still suck at it like any noob, whats overlooked is the majority of mmorpg players have honed their skills and progressed where the basic mmorpg mechanics are well known and strategies can be applied to any game.
Solo'ing, body pulling, so and so mob gives so and so much money per kill, and this mob gives more exp per kill. Lets go farm this or that. It's not rocket science.
Sigill are Daytime TV game programmer graduate asshats, and brad is the boss from that movie Grandma's Boy who doesn't know what the hell his employees are doing.