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New Game.. I'm sick of WoW

I want something... that just isn't button mashing and a time sink.  I want to feel like it takes a little bit of skill at least, and not just "knowledge/time played".  It doesn't even have to be an MMO, just have online capabilities (I really loved Warcraft III).  If it is an RTS, I would like micro to be stressed.  If an MMO, some kind of skill.  I haven't looked at Vanguard, but would really like to try it, not willing to go out on a limb for $50 though.



Any ideas?



I was thinking about maplestory, but then saw a lot of negativities on the forums and what not.  So I'm a bit undecided atm.

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  • ElnatorElnator Member Posts: 6,077
    Suggestions based on your statements:



    EVE:  Highly skill based.  No levels.  No grind really either.  Entirely a skill driven game.  Takes a lot of thought and planning to really excel at the game as well as attention to details, patience and a good deal of business savvy.  It can be played by casual or hard-core gamers.



    EQ2:  A slight step 'up' in difficulty from WoW.  Still similar gameplay however.  This might be more your speed.  It's hard to say... the game isn't cookie cutter combat though.



    I don't recommend Vanguard.... it isn't worth the money right now.  Maybe in a year or so.



    Another really good alternative, believe it or not, is Guild Wars.... it's got a nice PVE setting (I recommend getting the original for like $29.95 and playing that through before buying any expansions) as well as a superb PVP setup if all you want to do is arena fight.  It's got no monthly fee but has many features popular about MMORPG's including both co-operative PVE and PVP.



    Not too many others out that i'd recommend right now.  A year or so ago I'd have recommended DAOC but the population in DAOC is steadily dwindling away and it's hard to get into for new players now due to the sparsity of other players at lower level.  It's still one of the best Realm vs. Realm PVP games out there though.





    Something I am planning to do myself once the new update hits:

    Ultima Online: Kingdom Reborn

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  • GameloadingGameloading Member UncommonPosts: 14,182
    Well if you like RTS games, then you should defenitly check out EVE online and Granado Espada, both have many RTS aspects.
  • MaeEyeMaeEye Member UncommonPosts: 1,107
    Originally posted by Elnator

    Suggestions based on your statements:



    EVE:  Highly skill based.  No levels.  No grind really either.  Entirely a skill driven game.  Takes a lot of thought and planning to really excel at the game as well as attention to details, patience and a good deal of business savvy.  It can be played by casual or hard-core gamers.



    EQ2:  A slight step 'up' in difficulty from WoW.  Still similar gameplay however.  This might be more your speed.  It's hard to say... the game isn't cookie cutter combat though.



    I don't recommend Vanguard.... it isn't worth the money right now.  Maybe in a year or so.



    Another really good alternative, believe it or not, is Guild Wars.... it's got a nice PVE setting (I recommend getting the original for like $29.95 and playing that through before buying any expansions) as well as a superb PVP setup if all you want to do is arena fight.  It's got no monthly fee but has many features popular about MMORPG's including both co-operative PVE and PVP.



    Not too many others out that i'd recommend right now.  A year or so ago I'd have recommended DAOC but the population in DAOC is steadily dwindling away and it's hard to get into for new players now due to the sparsity of other players at lower level.  It's still one of the best Realm vs. Realm PVP games out there though.





    Something I am planning to do myself once the new update hits:

    Ultima Online: Kingdom Reborn
    I agree with this guy.  EQ2 might be a good step up.  It's a solid game, with fun gameplay and great combat.  EQ2 is basically like WoW (or vice Versa) but harder gameplay.  I really dig the graphics in EQ2 also.



    I would recommend LOTRO to you, but that is a easier version of WoW basically, lol.  If you can actually belive that.  Beside that, there isn't a whole lot to try out these days. 



    UO might be a good try.  tell me, what is your history with MMo;s?



    If you have an Xbox 360, maybe something like Crackdown?



    Also, what about a new RTS?  LOTR: Battle for middle earth 2 was fun.  Or you have Titan Quest (online abilities), or hey you could even play that new Supreme COmmander coming out shortly.



    btw, you can try Vanguard if you want, but beware.
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  • ElnatorElnator Member Posts: 6,077
    Originally posted by MaeEye

    Originally posted by Elnator

    Suggestions based on your statements:



    EVE:  Highly skill based.  No levels.  No grind really either.  Entirely a skill driven game.  Takes a lot of thought and planning to really excel at the game as well as attention to details, patience and a good deal of business savvy.  It can be played by casual or hard-core gamers.



    EQ2:  A slight step 'up' in difficulty from WoW.  Still similar gameplay however.  This might be more your speed.  It's hard to say... the game isn't cookie cutter combat though.



    I don't recommend Vanguard.... it isn't worth the money right now.  Maybe in a year or so.



    Another really good alternative, believe it or not, is Guild Wars.... it's got a nice PVE setting (I recommend getting the original for like $29.95 and playing that through before buying any expansions) as well as a superb PVP setup if all you want to do is arena fight.  It's got no monthly fee but has many features popular about MMORPG's including both co-operative PVE and PVP.



    Not too many others out that i'd recommend right now.  A year or so ago I'd have recommended DAOC but the population in DAOC is steadily dwindling away and it's hard to get into for new players now due to the sparsity of other players at lower level.  It's still one of the best Realm vs. Realm PVP games out there though.





    Something I am planning to do myself once the new update hits:

    Ultima Online: Kingdom Reborn
    I agree with this guy.  EQ2 might be a good step up.  It's a solid game, with fun gameplay and great combat.  EQ2 is basically like WoW (or vice Versa) but harder gameplay.  I really dig the graphics in EQ2 also.



    I would recommend LOTRO to you, but that is a easier version of WoW basically, lol.  If you can actually belive that.  Beside that, there isn't a whole lot to try out these days. 



    UO might be a good try.  tell me, what is your history with MMo;s?



    If you have an Xbox 360, maybe something like Crackdown?



    Also, what about a new RTS?  LOTR: Battle for middle earth 2 was fun.  Or you have Titan Quest (online abilities), or hey you could even play that new Supreme COmmander coming out shortly.



    btw, you can try Vanguard if you want, but beware.

    RE: Red text

    Not only not true, but you are also violating the Beta NDA.



    Edit:  I stand corrected.  The NDA was lifted.

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  • GameloadingGameloading Member UncommonPosts: 14,182
    I think the Lotro NDA has already been lifted.
  • paulscottpaulscott Member Posts: 5,613
    I'd say try EvE online.  theres a trial for vanguard on fileplanet.

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  • TaramTaram Member CommonPosts: 1,700
    Originally posted by Gameloading

    I think the Lotro NDA has already been lifted.


    Hmmm I haven't seen anything about it... Someone actually in the beta could probably say for certain though.

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  • ElnatorElnator Member Posts: 6,077
    Originally posted by Taram

    Originally posted by Gameloading

    I think the Lotro NDA has already been lifted.


    Hmmm I haven't seen anything about it... Someone actually in the beta could probably say for certain though.

    Nope, he's correct I just got done checking.



    Ok so he's not violating the NDA.



    However, I have played both LOTR AND WOW.... I have to say that LOTR was superior in every aspect, in my personal opinion.  It's the first MMORPG since Ultima Online that I have pre-ordered as well.  (As many know I have had a long long long standing policy NOT to pre order ANYTHING).



    Personally I think it's the best Fantasy MMO to hit shelves since WoW released, and, imo, is better than WoW.



    I don't think it'll "kill" anything... but it's going to do very well for itself.  And it absolutely follows the spirit and feel of Middle Earth.  No, it doesn't feel much like the MOVIES but then... it's based on the BOOKS... and if you've read the books you will also recognize middle earth as Tolkien wrote it.  It feels very real when I play and the quests are well done with a nice mix of instanced and non-instanced quests. 



    Turbine WAY out-performed my expectations.  Most will remember that I was very negative about Turbine running this project, especially after the disaster they made out of DDO.... I have to say I'm impressed.  Turbine pulled off a very good MMO despite all my negative expectations.  When I got into the beta I have to say I had VERY poor expectations for this game.  I really didn't think Turbine could do it.  Needless to say they not only proved me wrong... they impressed me.



    for those who claim there's no PVP you really need to try out Monster Play before stating that.  It's not player verses player PVP... it's player verses MONSTER PVP where you can be a monster.  Pretty cool, imo, and does a great job of keeping the feel of middle earth.



    Anyway, just my opinion.



    I don't recommend games to people when they're still in beta though.  So if you're WILLING to wait for LOTRO it could be a nice upgrade from WoW... otherwise stick with the ones I originally stated.

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  • psynopticMpsynopticM Member Posts: 7
    Everquest all the way (EQ1 that is, not EQ2) ... should keep you busy for the next few years ;)
  • nomadiannomadian Member Posts: 3,490

    take a break and wait for AoC.

  • fightingnunsfightingnuns Member Posts: 2
    Originally posted by psynopticM

    Everquest all the way (EQ1 that is, not EQ2) ... should keep you busy for the next few years ;)
    There isn't a way to still play EQ1 though, is there?  From what I've read the only option is to play EQ2 on one of the classic servers?
  • mbbladembblade Member Posts: 747

    well what you should do is try some of these free MMOs some are actually pretty good. Although there are many that are not worth a single thought of looking into or at

  • jimmyman99jimmyman99 Member UncommonPosts: 3,221
    Originally posted by adma0

    I want something... that just isn't button mashing and a time sink.  I want to feel like it takes a little bit of skill at least, and not just "knowledge/time played".  It doesn't even have to be an MMO, just have online capabilities (I really loved Warcraft III).  If it is an RTS, I would like micro to be stressed.  If an MMO, some kind of skill.  I haven't looked at Vanguard, but would really like to try it, not willing to go out on a limb for $50 though.



    Any ideas?



    I was thinking about maplestory, but then saw a lot of negativities on the forums and what not.  So I'm a bit undecided atm.
    green kinda contradicts red.



    Regarding Vanguard, it is unfinished and buggy these days, and several recent patches  changed some of the key elements (crafting/diplomacy) SWG style (changed it so much that it doesnt feel the same as it used to). If you dont mind bugs, give it try. Otherwise wait 3-4 months.



    What do u mean micro to be stressed? U dont want to handle micromanagement? Or u do?

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  • adma0adma0 Member Posts: 5
    So many replies, ok I'll start with MMO experience, I've played



    DAOC, WOW, heavily

    eq1,shadowbane,  tried em out.



    What I meant that I liked about RTS's was micromanagement like in Warcraft 3, where it felt like it was precious to keep each unit alive through very quick thinking and decision making, I felt thoroughly that skill separated the better from the worse, I feel like in WoW, the time invested severely overpowers the skill. 



    I don't want to play a game where gear is everything I want class and choice of abilities to matter just as much!  But you guys have given me a lot of good suggestions, keep the thread going, maybe I'll find something to hold me over until WAR comes out, because to date DAOC was the game I liked the most.



    Edit: Granado Espada does look very cool, any word on a release date?
  • jimmyman99jimmyman99 Member UncommonPosts: 3,221
    For MMOFPS I suggest Planetside (there is a free trial)

    for FPS with multiplayer support I usggest Counterstrike:Source (not an MMO but free to play)



    I also would suggest to try Civilization 4 Warlords, it has a very good micro- and macro-management. I  feel I like i am trully in control of my civilization. It is, however, not RTS, it is turn based strategy.



    For MMORPG, I suggest GuildWars Nightfall. It has heroes (NPCs u can use as teammates) so you do manage them and their skills. It is NOT gear demanding, it is more skill (character) demanding. U hunt for skills like you would of hunted for items in WoW. There is also a limit on number of skills you can "bring" to a fight, so there is a strategic element to that game. This is especialy crucial for PvP play. It is also free to play (after box purchase).

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  • HorusgirlHorusgirl Member Posts: 120
    I have yet to see a mmo where PVE isn't just button mashing.



    If you are into teamplay Guild Wars might really appeal to you. They have a nice skill system that is very diverse and balanced. There is not much left to chance in team battles - they are arena battles where every team is prepared and unlikely to get caught with their pants down. They even have a ladder and tournaments.

    Competition is where this game shines.



    Now if you are into FPS you should try Warsow which is probably the most skill based game i've ever seen. Check it out it's free.

    http://www.warsow.net/


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  • Veiled_lightVeiled_light Member UncommonPosts: 855

    Every game is a button mashing timesink :S

     

    You hit buttons and you play to pass the time

  • HorusgirlHorusgirl Member Posts: 120
    Originally posted by Veiled_light


    Every game is a button mashing timesink :S
     
    You hit buttons and you play to pass the time
    But playing against humans requires some thought  - against ai you find one trick and can do it  again and again - thats what I meant ;)


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  • redelf07redelf07 Member Posts: 156
    Originally posted by Veiled_light


    Every game is a button mashing timesink :S
     
    You hit buttons and you play to pass the time
    Exactly. I think its rediculous when people say that a new game is or is not a "button masher." WTF does that mean? The computer was designed to use a keybaord. I'm sorry you can't put your headset on and be in the virtual world...

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