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Wru rvr abilities inspired classes and evolutionary pvp ?
malakies
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Cause so far i dont see any of what devs are claiming.
I only see boring melee , lego look alike fights , the same all same classes (fire wizzards , knights , )no rvr mentioning other than a 5% bonus in dmg if u kill 5000 chaos for example( grind ftw) and so on.
While many will say is still alpha , i can comment that wow looked exactly the same from alpha to release , and in generally graphic engine dont have vast improvements form alpha to beta to final unless they planning a release in 2 years ahead or something.
while i still play daoc in classics , so far nothing reminds daoc in war. Thats mainly cause war stuff isnt the riginal daoc one .
Game is been created by ea now , and in generall some technicall similarities dont exists like for example : armor tables , diferent realm weapon styles , casting interupts , cc ( not ridiculus cc like daoc but some cc gives depth plus a less populated relam can fights a zerg one with cc) and so on.
Anyone can show me somehting revolutionary bout this game so far other that a wow clone ?
again wru rvr abitlities ? ;p
I only see boring melee , lego look alike fights , the same all same classes (fire wizzards , knights , )no rvr mentioning other than a 5% bonus in dmg if u kill 5000 chaos for example( grind ftw) and so on.
While many will say is still alpha , i can comment that wow looked exactly the same from alpha to release , and in generally graphic engine dont have vast improvements form alpha to beta to final unless they planning a release in 2 years ahead or something.
while i still play daoc in classics , so far nothing reminds daoc in war. Thats mainly cause war stuff isnt the riginal daoc one .
Game is been created by ea now , and in generall some technicall similarities dont exists like for example : armor tables , diferent realm weapon styles , casting interupts , cc ( not ridiculus cc like daoc but some cc gives depth plus a less populated relam can fights a zerg one with cc) and so on.
Anyone can show me somehting revolutionary bout this game so far other that a wow clone ?
again wru rvr abitlities ? ;p
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Also, as a game company why would you want to release "Everything" revolutionary you are going to be doing? All that will do is cause a current game out now "cough cough WOW" to copy it and implement it into their game. Then we will have more WoW fan's come here and say you stole this and that from WoW!
Warhammer is going to allow orcs to put skulls on their shoulder pads as trophy's. This was mentioned once Mythic got the IP from GW Now go look at one of the new races in WoW....SO INTERESTING they have skulls on their shoulder pads now. It may not be the exact same, but they pulled the idea from WAR.
If anything WoW is a EQ rip off toned down.
I will play it because I like the iconic classes and that it will have RvR/PvP which reminds me of Guild Wars in many ways. Join a fight with different objectives. Then the struggle to take over the opponents city, not because it's something special, but the feeling of dishonoring your opponents by taking their city is priceless to me. The joy you will feel with your team/race when you succeed with something like that will be tremendous.
If you don't think this is DAOC well fine, guess what - IT'S NOT! Congratulations, noone has even ever said it will be DAOC too, so where you got that from I don't know. This will be WAR! To me, a more advanced version of WoW (sorry for mentioning that awful game again, I know noone likes to hear that game's name anywhere outside it's universe). But it's true, I bet if WAR came before WoW, WoW would be something hardly anyone would ever make a big deal out of in any way. It would be WAR everyone was focusing on. So yes, that's what I think, and please don't continue on discussing WoW from now on, that's something I never wish to do again because I am so sick of it.
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And I don't want to hear anything about "I don't believe in vampires" because *I* don't believe in vampires, but I believe in my own two eyes, and what *I* saw is ******* vampires! "
To the opener you sound like a troll, you could have phrased you question much better (and yes I know English is not your first language thats not my point. But to humour you.
So, you have managed to review the whole game based on a couple of videos you've seen around the place. Very interesting.
Boring melee? Again based on what a couple of shaky cam shots and some Alpha RvR footage?
The same classes? You've played them all and compared them to...? Dark Age of Camelot? Very interesting, again if your an insider just stick to NDA otherwise spare us your trolling which again is based on, what? How about expand on the classes you would like to see in the game? Perhaps you havent looked beyond the summary of most and again you havent played any of them, so how do you know?
No RvR mention? This leads me to believe you either saw ONE video or are truly just ignorant. So ONE aspect of the encyclopeida you take as the only incentive or purpose to RvR? Warhammer Online watch RvR video podcast. Cheers.
Then you are not only ignorant but blind. World of Warcraft changed its looks quite dramatically from Alpha to Release especially in terms of texturing, lighting, mapping, etc. Graphics under-go the BIGGEST change in the last stretch of development because all the art assets are finally ready to be implemented into the technology.
Why should we bother. Check Youtube, the official website or anywhere on the internet for previews. Other than that I dont think anybody should waster their time trying to convince you why WAR will be an amazing game.
This made me laugh. Why do people feel the need to point fingers? Just play the game and enjoy it. No need to try and justify anything to yourself and certainly not to the opener (who while maybe not a troll certainly made his ideas known as one). While revealing everything a game has to offer during development is never good (because things changes and then players get angry that this or that didnt make it into the final game). Anything revolutionary should be implemented into the game if the developers think it will work. Everything in this world draws inspiration and ideas from past endevours, World of Warcraft did it, and did it well, the only reason people feel the need to point fingers is because they somehow feel bitter. WAR should implement any and all new and inovative ideas it can come up with.
It seems a lot of people think this is the game based on the information we've seen because they aren't used to getting this level of detail so early in the development. We are in the middle of February. 7 months away is September. That's hardly the end of the year. We have 10 months till the end of the year. I believe Mythic will have it read for an end of the year release. They did well with the release of DAoC.
Ahahaha lloll... you have no idea what WoW was like in alpha. back in the WoW alpha days you had skill points that you spend to learn new abilities (not money) so you could'nt get them all also there were no talent points and you had to spend these precious skill points to learn how to use more weapons. The whole skill/talent system was revised in beta.
Also the map in WoW right now is almost nothing like what it was in the alpha (I played the leaked alpha version)
oh yeah and there was no pvp reward in the alpha (hell not even at release) and no BG
oh oh there was no raid (pve) in WoW back in the alpha UBRS and BRD were supposed to be where the current BWL and MC bosses are
oh oh oh also classes had almost no balance, a warrior would tear appart a whole raid by spamming Thunderclap with rage pot. (I belive it was like this too in early beta)
and I wont keep going but it goes on and on...
take away your prejustices and maybe just maybe u could see some things here.
I was a huge War fun and im a 4 year daoc player , i had high expectations and so far all the info relased and videos proves to other wise.
Btw thank you for leting me know something i already do , thats not daoc 2 and tbh i wouldnt like a daoc 2 anyway.
Why i compare it with daoc is obvious , first cause mythic made it , second because they advertise daoc as the "pvp the right way" and frankly till recently its was the best rvr game till ridculus cc and op classes introduced.
Now is still the best rvr because wow screwed its rvr badly as a contend and implementation , not as group or solo fights per se.
point is for an rvr game with skills rewards they havent even mentioned any skill rewards and tbh none knows ift hey implement anything.Btw in wow they never advertise pvp rewards wereas here they do .
btw frankly i dont give a $hit bout wow anyway , and there over 3 years passed since wow alpha.
wow animations in alpha was almost as wow final edition , actually most games visual dont vastly improved from alpha to final unless they spend another 2 years making it.
btw ofc i will judge a game from what i see and not from words . Wow didnt exaclty that they said some things they totaly did other things.
i do check youtube lol and the fights i see are ridiculus just mashing buttons stading eachother hitng , no strafes , no potitionals or reaction styles nothing.
For a 3d generation mmorpg with passed xperience from daoc and other mmorpg there , i still dont see anything good so far.
of course fanboys will like lego fights , dull classes, and skilless button mashing pvp.
i dlike you comment bout forum trolls when someone argumentally disagrees with something . With this sence all revolutions start as trolls cause they orginaly disagree with that current state , so yeam im a pround trol with this sence.
Now , i could be wrong as i said future will tell , but i judge from what i see and so far my opinion is that it sucks . Flame shield on
I agree that we did not get to see many skills yet (I guess this is tier1 pvp) but you dont get specific skills from PvPin like in DAoC with the RA instead you get experience for killing peoples in pvp wich is the ''skill reward'' the game is heading for. Again it's far to early to diss the game on the skills it has since no MMORPG had shown their complete skill sets in alpha (WoW showed 4 for each class.) if the beta has that few skills and such static combat then yes we can starting the flamming but right now it's just being a moronic troll.
The fact that you say now that you dont care about WoW is plain dumb since you used it as an argument in your first post.
First of what NEW race as you put it has skulls on thier shoulders?
Carry on wow hating:)
The problem is not challenging the game. Its the WAY in which it is challenged. The difference is (to give an example) to say something like "This game sucks" as opposed to "I think the lack of information on RvR rewards is concerning". I have never played Dark Age of Camelot so I cannot comment on what that game was like although many do claim it had an amazing PvP system until class imbalance and expansions with a PvE focus ruined the game.
Now when you say an RvR game with skill rewards. Do you mean that you are awarded skills (spells, special moves, etc) for participating? I dont know I would imagine GEAR would be the reward. Yes no specifics have been mentioned. But again its a year away. The developers probably havent even decided what they want to reward players with for participating in RvR.
Same point on difference between Alpha and Retail. First you said there was NO difference. Now you say the difference is very small. Neither is true. In games development the changes between Alpha and Beta are the biggest. This is not the same game we will see at release and the game ALREADY LOOKS very good. If you disagree well then thats your choice. The game WILL look better and to deny this means you dont know how games evolve during their development cycle.
Again judging a game a year or so away from release based on a couple of off screen videos is not good. For example collision detection (characters NOT being able to pass through one another like in World of Warcraft) was just recently implemented. Animations will be implemented along the way and for more movement in the combat check video of the month on the official website (again front page). Yes it doesnt LOOK spectacular. Not yet, but please give it time before passing judgement.
If you want to DISCUSS how you think WAR wont live up to the hype, be my guest. What you ARE doing is however slamming the game on a forum full of people with high expectations with very little to back up your argument. You havent played the game, its a year from release and YOU DO NOT KNOW the changes that will happen. Yes the future only knows what the final game will be like, so if you think it sucks now, just write it off and come back in a while. Many games I hear about and then dont follow up upon until I see something that interests me.
So again if you really have no constructive way to make an argument (a GOOD argument) about how this game is rubbish then please keep your ideas to yourself. Again ONE YEAR to go. You say the game sucks. I say it looks awesome for being so early in development.
Who goes around playing MMOs for something new?
I'm going to try Warhammer Online because it's freaking Warhammer. Not for any innovation or any gimmick that seems to be the only hooks most of you rejects are craving. It sounds fun so far, as far as fun is in a MMO context.
There's nothing new in the genre for any game that's been created. They're all grinds.
You group with people who can't type. You get quests that give you a reason to go out and kill 30 of something. You advance, you grow, you have fun.
Warhammer the table top game has many roots in older games. It had inspired hundreds of games. Their previous video games again never really tried to break ground but with setting and story telling they were always fun. Always great games.
I kill other players because they're smarter than AI, sometimes.
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And I don't want to hear anything about "I don't believe in vampires" because *I* don't believe in vampires, but I believe in my own two eyes, and what *I* saw is ******* vampires! "
Revolutionary? That’s easy
Two things never done before in a MMO
Moral System and Collision Detection
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I'm just curious...and this goes for other negative talkers on this forumpost if you're so dead set against the game. A game thats not even gone into external beta yet, that doesn't even have all its classes announced or even previewed yet why you bother boring us with your statements? I mean right away this guy is obviously a moron stating "Game is being created by ea now" its not being created by EA now, its still being made by Mythic and the guys at Games Workshop, they just happen to work under EA's name and have EA's massive funding to do what they want to do, the team dynamics haven't changed. How do you know they don't have armor tables and weapon styles? They've not even mentioned it one way or the other yet. The game is not even in its final stages of production yet.
Whats even funnier is further down the line of replies you mention animations well jack Animations have nothing to do with over all graphics. All the test footage thats being released is all done in low resolution settings because the high res textures and model information either 1 isn't finished or 2 isn't implemented into the system yet, which I believe in one of the videos or interviews they say themselves its currently only available in low resolution.
The way wow looks did change alot from one test stage to the next. Models and textures got higher resolution (or as high as wow supported anyway), ambient settings, lighting, all that got improved or added in properly before launch and some after launch. The engine may not of changed but the artwork did.
How you can even call this game a wow clone is beyond me. All the actual GAMEPLAY mechanics to this game such as real RVR, castle seiges that actually affect the opposing team, collision detection between players, Public quests, wow has none of that. Absolutely none of that at all. It may have cartoony looking graphics but that fits with the warhammer minatures otherwise GamesWorkshop would NEVER approve it, they are very protective of their most lucrative IP.
It just get tired of seeing posts of this nature on all the game boards. If you've not played it or seen a high resolution video of the game in late beta stages then shush it! SHUSH IT!
I'm not even a fanbois i just get sick of kiddy whining uneducated posts.
Please Refer to Doom Cat with all conspiracies & evil corporation complaints. He'll give you the simple explination of..WE"RE ALL DOOMED!
WHO are you to judge btw. 9 out of 10 u come here and talk havent ever tried Daoc , wich is mythics other mmorpg. So u Know $hit of whats hapeningt here.
I ve been playing mythics game for 4 years till today , so i can tell u what hapen when EA took over the game.
Before few months daoc classics servers had 4k population , after EA took over they released an awfull expansion and many unbalance patches.
In result now classics have 1800 max population , 2 competing realms instead of 3 since one of them got severly nerfed and is underdog , and many unbalance classes .
Thats what EA did to daoc and thats my no 1 reason while War wont be what it originaly started.
Second i judge from what i see and tbh i dont see anything so far.
Heh you come and tell that its gonna be awsome pvp experience and such when released videos only saw instances. And everyone are bashing instances in wow but not here ?;p
Some of you dont even know whats mythic rvr is like with skills as rewards and such yet you have an opinion ? Jsut $uc$ing great and am i the troll? Wich btw i have enrolled in these site when the front page had " coming soon" and i only have 4 posts bah.
anyway beleve what you like , it was the same with wow back then when many said its gona be awfull pvp game ( and its the truth) cause some have better pvp experience than just playing eq or ffxii or d2.
Btw since all things are so great as you said why dont you see me where are the pvp abilities , the non mushing button rvr , the pvp rewards , the great graphics , and the innovation pvp?
Well you wont gonna find them anywere , cause the average jo game player doeasnt want hard pvp.
And War aint gonna be hardcore at all cause EA is making and Ea is all about the money
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And I don't want to hear anything about "I don't believe in vampires" because *I* don't believe in vampires, but I believe in my own two eyes, and what *I* saw is ******* vampires! "
??? The graphics shown so far are not straight down awful. They work and the universe looks nice. It's only your opinion speaking here obviously. Some might like the graphics.""
cant comment on this each to their own.
I have tried DAOC. So? Does that make me more eligable to discuss WAR or not?"
Its other thing play a game and master it and other o i tried it i made a lvl 10 char and took 5 rps. But hey do you know whats the cap lvl and the realm ranks ?;p
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Umm... interesting... EA "screwed up" DAOC so now WAR is doomed!!! Omg I must never play a game made by EA again. Mind you, EA might not be known for making the best bug free games to date, but they sure know how to make good games too.
How can you possible say WAR was better before EA took over? What if they actually make it better now? There's nothing that can proof anything from any side of the fence right now.""
I gave an example what hapened with ea when took over daoc.
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You don't like the game, fine. Can you tell us not to like the game? Hardly. You're only wasting your time. I'm not gonna stop following this game because some pissed of EA anti-fan tells me to.""
You dont have any arguments on this are you? Cause there isnt a single video providing that there are actually any in skill in combat. who told you not to play , from what i know iam not an employee in any mmorpg company.
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What they have explained about the RvR and instancing sounds fine to me. I don't like WoW because there's brainless instanced "Unreal" fights that happens randomly. In WAR they will have more of a meaning, and a end goal. To take over cities and battlefronts."
How you know ? Btw taking cities and so on only leads to zerging. And zerging = no skill no organisation. Again if L2 and FFxII is ur rvr experience i dont expect you to understand.
I had to skip your prev text cus I coudn't understand a squat out of it.
Once again, you sound like everyone is saying "WAR PvP will be all NEW and SKILL BASED". Who said that? It will be the same ol' fighting I believe you are very familiar with. You seem to have a very hard time understanding the whole "button mashing" thing to begin with."
again you cant provide any info of why War will have what devs claim , cause vids prove other wise.
Sure and people only pay for GOOD games to begin with."
Nothing bad for you been an average jo player.You need to pass that state anyway in order to learn.
HAHAHAHAHA! I can't believe you....... you're too much, I've faced MANY trolls in MANY different forums I can ASSURE YOU! Just read through many of my posts here on this site.
But you sir, take the price so far.
So let's gather what you said with a little shorter cut version from me, here are your points in short:
"If you haven't played DAOC, you won't know how WAR will look. I haven't seen any info on how WAR will be like, but yet I tend to say it's gonna work like DAOC. Thus I happen to tell YOU what's not gonna be in the game"
"Taking over zones and battlefronts will not be in the game"
"You have played nothing but Final Fantasy and is a noob because you haven't played DAOC"
"Everybody is fooled and absolutely focused on that WAR PvP will be revolutionary and 100% skill based! Thus I actually never heard this anywhere in this forum it's my duty to tell everyone you only sit around like a monkey hitting your keyboard with a broomstick!"
Bleh, anyway, nice talking to you.
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And I don't want to hear anything about "I don't believe in vampires" because *I* don't believe in vampires, but I believe in my own two eyes, and what *I* saw is ******* vampires! "
"So what if the game sucks" Then it sucks and i leave, i'm not going to cut myself cause i can't grind for gear or the next highest lvl as it seems these dumb immature prattling can't talk english kids do in WoW.
Also, i used to play DAoC, it was fun, i enjoyed it, but what sucked about it, no one was around when i first walked in, and my computer hada virus and kept booting me off of the game, but i want to play again. But my friend used to play, he told me about RvR and showed me it, it looks fun as hell, and these Campaigns to go Raid and Loot a city, freakin sweet, i'm up for that. So i'm not soley basing this game off graphics, or which fanbois think what is better, i'm basing me paying money for what the franchise is, Warhammer, not DAoC, cause as everyone says on here, Its not DAoC 2.0, its Warhammer.
How you know ? Btw taking cities and so on only leads to zerging. And zerging = no skill no organisation. Again if L2 and FFxII is ur rvr experience i dont expect you to understand.
Now, this is funny and makes me laugh on two fronts. 1) Your a freaking moron, get off your fat ass, go to school, and learn english from going to school instead of worrying about your dumb WoW gear, its not going anywhere. 2) Final Fantasy 12 is a few months old you dumbass, and its not even a MMO, are you smoking crack? And how the hell is it even RvR based, its Final Fantasy, you lvl up for hours and get better gear, oh wait, you should be used to this since it Sounds like WoW. Think before you speak Child.
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And I don't want to hear anything about "I don't believe in vampires" because *I* don't believe in vampires, but I believe in my own two eyes, and what *I* saw is ******* vampires! "
I disagree with anything Malakies posts.
Does that make me a Funboy?
Collision Detection been done loads of times before O.O in mmos tho on more clip to move games hehe
i cant w8 for WAR
board of WoW
i still dont know if i as say a ORC and go into the darkelf zone and help them out o.O ? anyone knoew?