Paying for Entertainment of Fustration?

talif · February 2007

I am one of those ppl that pay to play a game every month i mean i play for . Not the pay to be frustrated.

example #1 I log in the game ask for party get it after looking for about 20 to 30 mins then get to the party after all the chunking and stuff only lose party conn you are not in party but they can see you talking but you can't see them at all on your screen.

example # 2 Get in a party and start the painful grind to get your lvl then Freeze for about 30 to 45 secs when you have about 2 to 3 4dot mobs around you once you unfreeze you see 2 party members dead and keep in mind you a healer class so everyone is like what happened didn't you see my life going down. example# 2b Ok you raise the 2 dead members buff them back and cont to grind again all is good right? Crash!!! back to desk top for no reason at all by the time you get back you are at the rez stone and the party can't get to your tomb becuase when you crash your toon toke off into a bunch of mobs that or now safe watching your tomb.

Example # 3 You use some form of levitate depends on your class and you just out running on water or over mobs you get aggo but not only can't you out run them you can't dodge them and they will chase and hit you in the back of the head until you are dead or as long as you have on your levitate on or you stop and kill them if you can.

Example # 4 You in a party and mob pulls a vanishing act on you yeah just move back right and he will pop back up ok but why is he about 50 ft away from you and also into the ground then he is dead and wow there he is at your feet.

I know the game is still new but should i spend 15$ a month on a game that is surpose to be a form of entertainment?

I know things will get better right just give it time well we all know time is money and i for one won't anymore money on something that feels like many of the free mmo's that i have played maybe i will just play my 360 games instead. Atleast i know what i am getting whn i buy one of those games and won't have to wait for it to be ready for me to play it.

The question i ask of you my fellow gamers why settle it will just let the gaming industry know that they can put out anything and ppl will play it not only will they play it they will pay for it to.

Time is precious please and waits for no one so why should we stand still and wait for this game to get it stuff together?

Blurr · February 2007

Perhaps you'd enjoy an easier game more. There's a few out there that might suit you. WoW is quite popular, have you tried it?

In regards to your examples, your ability to get a group doesn't necessarily have anything to do with the game itself. Losing connection to group is quite rare in my experience.

Again, for example number 2, you say it's a grind but I'm guessing you never played Everquest, or any games with real grind. Obviously it's more of a challenge than WoW, but it's not as grind-y as EQ was. The game is, after all, not geared to the casual player nor the super hardcore player.

Your graphics freezing may indicate that you need a better system. Perhaps a game with less graphic requirements would be more to your liking.

Using levitate will not stop mobs from attacking you either I'm afraid.

If you don't like the game the way it is, please feel free to play something else. Many of us enjoy the game and are having plenty of fun playing it. You're not going to change the industry or get some kind of boycott going.

Oh and for the record, nobody is paying a monthly fee for Vanguard yet. Not for atleast another 2 weeks.

grinreaper · February 2007

Originally posted by talif

I am one of those ppl that pay to play a game every month i mean i play for . Not the pay to be frustrated.
example #1 I log in the game ask for party get it after looking for about 20 to 30 mins then get to the party after all the chunking and stuff only lose party conn you are not in party but they can see you talking but you can't see them at all on your screen.
example # 2 Get in a party and start the painful grind to get your lvl then Freeze for about 30 to 45 secs when you have about 2 to 3 4dot mobs around you once you unfreeze you see 2 party members dead and keep in mind you a healer class so everyone is like what happened didn't you see my life going down. example# 2b Ok you raise the 2 dead members buff them back and cont to grind again all is good right? Crash!!! back to desk top for no reason at all by the time you get back you are at the rez stone and the party can't get to your tomb becuase when you crash your toon toke off into a bunch of mobs that or now safe watching your tomb.
Example # 3 You use some form of levitate depends on your class and you just out running on water or over mobs you get aggo but not only can't you out run them you can't dodge them and they will chase and hit you in the back of the head until you are dead or as long as you have on your levitate on or you stop and kill them if you can.
Example # 4 You in a party and mob pulls a vanishing act on you yeah just move back right and he will pop back up ok but why is he about 50 ft away from you and also into the ground then he is dead and wow there he is at your feet.

I know the game is still new but should i spend 15$ a month on a game that is surpose to be a form of entertainment?
I know things will get better right just give it time well we all know time is money and i for one won't anymore money on something that feels like many of the free mmo's that i have played maybe i will just play my 360 games instead. Atleast i know what i am getting whn i buy one of those games and won't have to wait for it to be ready for me to play it.
The question i ask of you my fellow gamers why settle it will just let the gaming industry know that they can put out anything and ppl will play it not only will they play it they will pay for it to.

Time is precious please and waits for no one so why should we stand still and wait for this game to get it stuff together?

None of the games you say you have played(excepet maybe CoH) opened flawlessly, why hate on VG for it?

DDM_redeye · February 2007

less bugs would be nice....

talif · February 2007

Don't get my wrong i wanted this game to work i really do. Just most of the problems i see here i don't see them gettting fixed at all i been playing from beta 5 and i see just about the same problems still and i am not even talking about the chunking.

Cor4x · February 2007

Originally posted by Blurr

Perhaps you'd enjoy an easier game more. There's a few out there that might suit you. WoW is quite popular, have you tried it?
When I said the game has an ass-hat community in my review... ^^ that'd be about what I'd expect.
The game is short-bus easy. Not hard. Grinding does not = hard. He didn't say the game was hard. He said it was broken and frustrating. Frustrating is not hard. Do you understand?

In regards to your examples, your ability to get a group doesn't necessarily have anything to do with the game itself. Losing connection to group is quite rare in my experience.
Losing connection to a group is a very frequent occurrence in my experience. And he's saying that he is a healer and that it is painful to watch party members die when your machine is thrashing.

Again, for example number 2, you say it's a grind but I'm guessing you never played Everquest, or any games with real grind. Obviously it's more of a challenge than WoW, but it's not as grind-y as EQ was. The game is, after all, not geared to the casual player nor the super hardcore player.
I'm not going to repeat myself here, but grinding does not equal repetitive fun. This game is more grind-y than EQ1 ever was. It isn't geared to the casual or the hardcore player (you're right about that).

Your graphics freezing may indicate that you need a better system. Perhaps a game with less graphic requirements would be more to your liking.
His graphics aren't 'freezing'. His box is thrashing because of a known and rampant memory leak. I have that problem every 3 hours like clockwork. I camp and come back in and the problem goes away. He doesn't need a 'better system'. The problem isn't his.

Using levitate will not stop mobs from attacking you either I'm afraid.
*sigh* There is a well known bug with the game that causes mobs to hit you from extreme distances when you are levitating. You aren't referencing what he was saying while attempting to patronize him.

If you don't like the game the way it is, please feel free to play something else. Many of us enjoy the game and are having plenty of fun playing it. You're not going to change the industry or get some kind of boycott going.
If you don't like what he said, please feel free to read something else. Many of us are not enjoying the game. You're not going to stop people from rightfully complaining by attempting to disparage anyone that doesn't have your blind devotion to the game.

Oh and for the record, nobody is paying a monthly fee for Vanguard yet. Not for atleast another 2 weeks.
The first month is probably included in the price of the client, that he paid for and is useless unless he continues to pay, so he actually paid for the first month as did everyone AND paid for a client.

talif · February 2007

Originally posted by Blurr

Perhaps you'd enjoy an easier game more. There's a few out there that might suit you. WoW is quite popular, have you tried it?
In regards to your examples, your ability to get a group doesn't necessarily have anything to do with the game itself. Losing connection to group is quite rare in my experience.
Again, for example number 2, you say it's a grind but I'm guessing you never played Everquest, or any games with real grind. Obviously it's more of a challenge than WoW, but it's not as grind-y as EQ was. The game is, after all, not geared to the casual player nor the super hardcore player.
Your graphics freezing may indicate that you need a better system. Perhaps a game with less graphic requirements would be more to your liking.
Using levitate will not stop mobs from attacking you either I'm afraid.
If you don't like the game the way it is, please feel free to play something else. Many of us enjoy the game and are having plenty of fun playing it. You're not going to change the industry or get some kind of boycott going.
Oh and for the record, nobody is paying a monthly fee for Vanguard yet. Not for atleast another 2 weeks.

Ok here is my system specs P4 3.2 over clocked alittle to 3.4 /2 gigs of kingston hyper x ram ati radeon x850pro 400 gig hd windows xp pro creative labs audigy 2 zs SC so as it good for specs i have what is needed to run the game.

I do like a challenge the grind is not to much a prob for me i played coh/cov all that game was a grind fest and it had dept when you die to i also played wow for 2years it's cool but it was time for me to try something new. So trust me when i say i really wanted to game to hit i had most of my friends that played wow move to this game and they are like wtf did you have us waste our money on. I told them give the game a chance and they all did we are all lvl 20 now with 2 toons each at lvl 20 and after the patch today i realize it was time to go for now atleast. And as for your question about me playing eq no i never played it at that time i was not into paying to play games i was more of a console guy until ffxi came along and i played that for 2 years.

All i am saying is the game needs some work and it should not be the fault of the consumer to pay for a product that is clearly not ready becuase they didn't have enough money or what ever the reason was.

I know that one no has been charged so i did jump the gun there.

talif · February 2007

Originally posted by Cor4x

Originally posted by Blurr

Perhaps you'd enjoy an easier game more. There's a few out there that might suit you. WoW is quite popular, have you tried it?
When I said the game has an ass-hat community in my review... ^^ that'd be about what I'd expect.
The game is short-bus easy. Not hard. Grinding does not = hard. He didn't say the game was hard. He said it was broken and frustrating. Frustrating is not hard. Do you understand?

In regards to your examples, your ability to get a group doesn't necessarily have anything to do with the game itself. Losing connection to group is quite rare in my experience.
Losing connection to a group is a very frequent occurrence in my experience. And he's saying that he is a healer and that it is painful to watch party members die when your machine is thrashing.

Again, for example number 2, you say it's a grind but I'm guessing you never played Everquest, or any games with real grind. Obviously it's more of a challenge than WoW, but it's not as grind-y as EQ was. The game is, after all, not geared to the casual player nor the super hardcore player.
I'm not going to repeat myself here, but grinding does not equal repetitive fun. This game is more grind-y than EQ1 ever was. It isn't geared to the casual or the hardcore player (you're right about that).

Your graphics freezing may indicate that you need a better system. Perhaps a game with less graphic requirements would be more to your liking.
His graphics aren't 'freezing'. His box is thrashing because of a known and rampant memory leak. I have that problem every 3 hours like clockwork. I camp and come back in and the problem goes away. He doesn't need a 'better system'. The problem isn't his.

Using levitate will not stop mobs from attacking you either I'm afraid.
*sigh* There is a well known bug with the game that causes mobs to hit you from extreme distances when you are levitating. You aren't referencing what he was saying while attempting to patronize him.

If you don't like the game the way it is, please feel free to play something else. Many of us enjoy the game and are having plenty of fun playing it. You're not going to change the industry or get some kind of boycott going.
If you don't like what he said, please feel free to read something else. Many of us are not enjoying the game. You're not going to stop people from rightfully complaining by attempting to disparage anyone that doesn't have your blind devotion to the game.

Oh and for the record, nobody is paying a monthly fee for Vanguard yet. Not for atleast another 2 weeks.
The first month is probably included in the price of the client, that he paid for and is useless unless he continues to pay, so he actually paid for the first month as did everyone AND paid for a client.

Well put is all i can say Well put

hercules · February 2007

Well old hercules is back.

So what has the old timer been up to?Well recently vangard ofc!

Now i was going to buy a new system ending of last year but recent marriage meant i had to hold out till now and was excited because i could not get a intel 6300(beats athlon 3800 well in all benchmarks),2gb ram(nice enough for all games),8800gts(not the top card in market but its atm the number 2 thumping 7950 and 1900 well and truely) and ofc new vista OS.

So i re activate my old WoW account and ofc hit vangard .Now WoW is 2 years+ and had zero issues with vista .Vangard crashed and crashed despite visiting numerous forums.

I ran with my older system to see which has wind XP and it loaded no issues.I could crank it up to second highest on that system.(its a athlon 3500,2gb,x850xt pce-e).Yet it still looked flat,poorly art and sterile combat.

Ofc this did not stop the old dog.I been waiting for a challenging mmorpg with variety of classes (and ofc the bard i truely missed playing since the EQ2 bard is bleh).

So i uninstall the vista and load XP on new system.Loads fine and all !Now the frame is good in starting area and i decide to turn up the whole setting to max.

Animation is still horrible,combat is still sterile and they still look flat.Basically hardly much different from balanced setting.The far view is nice though.

I tested the lowest setting and it looks really terrible not even worth mentioning.

Now here is grip number 1 - when SWG came out and u needed a 9700/9800pro to get it on full setting ,the world made u go "ah a true leap in graphics".Same when EQ2 came out and u needed a x850xt to get it near max setting it looks spectacular.

With vangard even with all turned on it still does not look as good as EQ2 ,yet it demands much more of a system.This indeed is puzzling.Maybe been "seamless" makes it demand so much more but looks wise its below EQ2 which is 2 years old.Only part it wins is the distance view is better.

Now after trying a few classes to level 5-9 i found some classes can barely even kill the starting mobs including my bard ,yet a priest can chain pull easily and is ofc more wanted in groups.

The quests are totally uninspiring (at least the early ones) and involve the classic kill x mobs.Thats fine with me.Used to it.But the bugs start off early .I knew it had bugs but clearly expected them to sort out the bugs in early levels.WoW TBC has plenty bugs but mostly in the raid areas and highest 5 man instances which was less tested.

Getting to a crowded area meant horrible fps and crowd means 5 ppl or so.Immediately involves checking setting and becoming an amateur programmer rewriting things in the bin file etc.

I thankfully took an advise of a friend from beta and used my 10 day free pass rather then the proper 30 days.After playing 10 days i seriously think this game needs a lot of work .Plenty of it .I will hold on to the code for the 30 days and try it again in 1- 2 months by which time i hope they have improved the performance and bugs,

I am no troll and have waited for vanguard so long that despite the incredible dissapointment i will still come back in 1-2 months to see it .I love the idea of bringing back excitement and challenge to mmorpg .But it needs urgent work if they plan to make it big .The inital sales show that ppl are ready for a game like this .

But the performance and bugs needs serious and urgent addressing.Well cya guys ingame in 1-2 months!

talif · February 2007

Yup i couldn't have said it any better myself>

hercules touched on lot of the problems i didn't talk about in My OP. Releasing an mmo is like going on a blind date first impression is everyting, i don't know many ppl that will go back on a second date after the first date ended in Disaster.

Blurr · February 2007

Originally posted by Cor4x

Originally posted by Blurr

Perhaps you'd enjoy an easier game more. There's a few out there that might suit you. WoW is quite popular, have you tried it?
When I said the game has an ass-hat community in my review... ^^ that'd be about what I'd expect.

Cool. Always good to open with an insult. Really lends to your credibility....
The game is short-bus easy. Not hard. Grinding does not = hard. He didn't say the game was hard. He said it was broken and frustrating. Frustrating is not hard. Do you understand?

"Short-bus easy" Riiight. Maybe you'd care to enlighten us on that since it doesn't make much sense as a comment by itself. I never said grinding equals hard, but he's obviously complaining about the grinding. In WoW, there's less grinding, and many people view that game as easier. Many people take the difficulty of the grind to be a good equivalent of how "hard" a game is. Also, your reading comprehension is a little off. I said challenge, not "hard". Infact, you don't seem to have understood that entire paragraph, perhaps you should read it again. Instead of skipping it.

In regards to your examples, your ability to get a group doesn't necessarily have anything to do with the game itself. Losing connection to group is quite rare in my experience.
Losing connection to a group is a very frequent occurrence in my experience. And he's saying that he is a healer and that it is painful to watch party members die when your machine is thrashing.

Your experience and mine (as well as my entire guild) on group connection differs then. I can imagine it is hard to watch your group die when you're the healer but you can't do anything cause your machine is chugging. However, perhaps he hasn't had the thought to maybe turn his settings down? There are multiple options for that, specifically for that reason. Neat eh?

Again, for example number 2, you say it's a grind but I'm guessing you never played Everquest, or any games with real grind. Obviously it's more of a challenge than WoW, but it's not as grind-y as EQ was. The game is, after all, not geared to the casual player nor the super hardcore player.
I'm not going to repeat myself here, but grinding does not equal repetitive fun. This game is more grind-y than EQ1 ever was. It isn't geared to the casual or the hardcore player (you're right about that).

I referenced this part above. Nowhere did I say grinding equals repetitive fun. You need to think before you assume. You obviously didn't play EQ1 if you think that it had less grind than Vanguard. It isn't geared toward the casual player (WoW is a great game if you want something with less grind), and it's not geared toward the hardcore player that puts in 8 hours a night either (Dunno what game would be best for that).

Your graphics freezing may indicate that you need a better system. Perhaps a game with less graphic requirements would be more to your liking.
His graphics aren't 'freezing'. His box is thrashing because of a known and rampant memory leak. I have that problem every 3 hours like clockwork. I camp and come back in and the problem goes away. He doesn't need a 'better system'. The problem isn't his. He said the word "Freeze", read the post again. How do you know he is having the problem because of the memory leak btw? I didn't see any mention of that in his post.

Using levitate will not stop mobs from attacking you either I'm afraid.
*sigh* There is a well known bug with the game that causes mobs to hit you from extreme distances when you are levitating. You aren't referencing what he was saying while attempting to patronize him. Actually I know exactly what he was talking about, the mobs that chase you normally but because you're up in the air you think you can get away from them. Obviously this would make levitate much more powerful and could be used to easily escape mobs. Doesn't sound like a bug to me, sounds like the devs made sure levitate won't be the 'get out of jail free' card. This means mobs can still attack you even if they're on the ground and you're way up high, if they're aggroed on you. Trust me I saw it alot when flying around on the griffons in beta.

If you don't like the game the way it is, please feel free to play something else. Many of us enjoy the game and are having plenty of fun playing it. You're not going to change the industry or get some kind of boycott going.
If you don't like what he said, please feel free to read something else. Many of us are not enjoying the game. You're not going to stop people from rightfully complaining by attempting to disparage anyone that doesn't have your blind devotion to the game. I was trying to offer him the idea of playing another game. He shouldn't feel like he has to play the game if he doesn't like it. If you're not enjoying the game, don't play it. I don't see what's so hard to understand about that. It's funny you try to attack me for defeinding the game that I enjoy playing, however I find it ironic that you guys all come and bash the game, and then call down anyone who defends it as being a "fanboy" or a "vanboi" or whatever else in order to try and deflate their arguments. You say I have blind devotion? Fine I say you have blind hatred. Many of us are enjoying the game. You're not going to stop people from rightfully defending it by attempting to disparage anyone that doesn't have your blind hatred of the game.

Oh and for the record, nobody is paying a monthly fee for Vanguard yet. Not for atleast another 2 weeks.
The first month is probably included in the price of the client, that he paid for and is useless unless he continues to pay, so he actually paid for the first month as did everyone AND paid for a client. He's played many MMOs before, and probably many other games as well. It's not like anyone buying vanguard didn't know the risk they were taking. It's the same risk you take when you buy any video game. If you buy a game and find out you don't like it, there's not much you can do about it. You can sometimes trade it in, but you've still lost money on it. MMOs are no different than any other game with a cdkey used online in that regard. Try to return one of the Battlefield games after you've opened it. It won't happen.
He came to complain, which is his right. I came to try and offer him solutions, which is my right. You came to attack my comments I guess, but sadly I think you missed the point altogether.
Other than that, there's nothing to be done really. His last few paragraphs sound like he's trying to get gamers to boycott the game in order to revolutionize the industry. While noble in idea, I'm afraid that's never gonna happen. Most of us who play vanguard are too busy enjoying the game even with its flaws. Besides it's going to be a hard sell on anything to the vanguard community from the MMORPG.com boards, which are notorious for having an abnormally large ratio of vanguard haters compared to other sites. (It's even been mentioned in interviews)

Nitros284 · February 2007

This is why I didn't buy Vanguard.

I pay and play for FUN, not for frustration.

Veiled_light · February 2007

Originally posted by talif

Originally posted by Cor4x

Originally posted by Blurr

Perhaps you'd enjoy an easier game more. There's a few out there that might suit you. WoW is quite popular, have you tried it?
When I said the game has an ass-hat community in my review... ^^ that'd be about what I'd expect.
The game is short-bus easy. Not hard. Grinding does not = hard. He didn't say the game was hard. He said it was broken and frustrating. Frustrating is not hard. Do you understand?

In regards to your examples, your ability to get a group doesn't necessarily have anything to do with the game itself. Losing connection to group is quite rare in my experience.
Losing connection to a group is a very frequent occurrence in my experience. And he's saying that he is a healer and that it is painful to watch party members die when your machine is thrashing.

Again, for example number 2, you say it's a grind but I'm guessing you never played Everquest, or any games with real grind. Obviously it's more of a challenge than WoW, but it's not as grind-y as EQ was. The game is, after all, not geared to the casual player nor the super hardcore player.
I'm not going to repeat myself here, but grinding does not equal repetitive fun. This game is more grind-y than EQ1 ever was. It isn't geared to the casual or the hardcore player (you're right about that).

Your graphics freezing may indicate that you need a better system. Perhaps a game with less graphic requirements would be more to your liking.
His graphics aren't 'freezing'. His box is thrashing because of a known and rampant memory leak. I have that problem every 3 hours like clockwork. I camp and come back in and the problem goes away. He doesn't need a 'better system'. The problem isn't his.

Using levitate will not stop mobs from attacking you either I'm afraid.
*sigh* There is a well known bug with the game that causes mobs to hit you from extreme distances when you are levitating. You aren't referencing what he was saying while attempting to patronize him.

If you don't like the game the way it is, please feel free to play something else. Many of us enjoy the game and are having plenty of fun playing it. You're not going to change the industry or get some kind of boycott going.
If you don't like what he said, please feel free to read something else. Many of us are not enjoying the game. You're not going to stop people from rightfully complaining by attempting to disparage anyone that doesn't have your blind devotion to the game.

Oh and for the record, nobody is paying a monthly fee for Vanguard yet. Not for atleast another 2 weeks.
The first month is probably included in the price of the client, that he paid for and is useless unless he continues to pay, so he actually paid for the first month as did everyone AND paid for a client.

Well put is all i can say Well put

Veiled_light · February 2007

Blurr go play Vanguard if you love it sooo much.... stop wasting time on the forums. It's weird how i see sooo many vanbois on the forums all the time but never actually busy playing the game,

anarchyart · February 2007

Originally posted by hercules

With vangard even with all turned on it still does not look as good as EQ2 ,yet it demands much more of a system.

http://www3.telus.net/art604/ScreenShot_00006.jpg

http://www3.telus.net/art604/ScreenShot_00127.JPG

http://www3.telus.net/art604/ScreenShot_00055.JPG

I have to beg to differ. Vanguard looks better, not sure if you can see just from a screenshot. Zoom in on them by left clicking, really love the detail and in motion it looks much better. I keep hearing people moaning about animations but mine are flawless.

Anyway just got done playing for the night and off to bed. I'm having fun on my rogue on the team pvp server. Only thing frustrating is that I only get a couple hours a night to play. Hope you all find a game to play that you like as much as I like Vanguard.

Blurr · February 2007

http://img95.imageshack.us/img95/1590/screenshot465ai.jpg

http://img201.imageshack.us/img201/1313/screenshot11ph.jpg

Thought I'd add some screenshots of my own to anarchyarts. Those are ingame screenshots from beta no less.

And Veiled Light, you can tell me what and when to play when you start paying my salary, kthx. Besides, I have plenty of time to come post when I'm waiting on guildies, or perhaps watching tv, or any other number of things. Even while I'm playing Vanguard.

PS. You do realize you sound like an utter moron when you use the word "vanboi" don't you?

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