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ArzhAngel
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Sorry for the bad engish: 
Faks:
WH now release there game in 2007 4Q, insted of 2008 4Q. And whit only 6 classes. And a few other things, all this only becuse they are afred of losing there players to AOC. And i belive that that is tru.
Why:
Its a WOW clone, in all ways.
Whit that they kill the Combat system, the grafic and the hopes for a Awsom NEW rvr game.
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AOC did take the combat system to a way higher lvl, and the classes to a way higher lvl. Beside that they take the DAOC rvr system, and make it alot better, and more grp and skill based.
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In the name of good, even VG out match WH.
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One who lost faith along time ago.
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Yes, I also find that shallow and pedantic.
First person shooter style combat is not a new higher level. They have console games for that kind of crap. PC's and MMO's in general are suppose to be about strategic combat where the character's skills are of the utmost importance rather than the player's hand/eye coordination abilities. As far as I'm concerned, AoC is making their game appeal to the console player market. Warhammer will not be in direct competition with that game on any level.
I for one would get sick and tired of having to aim and direct every single attack my character makes for hours at a time. Not only would it become exhausting, but the tediousness of it would become quite apparent 2 hours into a gaming session. No thanks, I'll pass on that crap. Its the primary reason I prefer PC games over console. Action or twitch based games are exhausting and nerve wracking and I have a very hard time playing them for more than 30 minutes at a time and that does not mesh well with current MMO paradigms.
With PvE raiding, it has never been a question of being "good enough". I play games to have fun, not to be a simpering toady sitting through hour after hour of mind numbing boredom and fawning over a guild master in the hopes that he will condescend to reward me with shiny bits of loot. But in games where those people get the highest progression, anyone who doesn't do that will just be a moving target for them and I'll be damned if I'm going to pay money for the privilege. - Neanderthal
Facts as I know them:
WAR never intended to release in 4Q 2008, was originally supposed to be around Sept, 2007. Has bounced around between Nov/Dec 2007 lately....but there is no "official" date set... just targets.
The plan was to always release with a limited number of classes at launch. Can't say it was 6...but who cares... some folks feel that having too many classes that really aren't all that different is a waste of resources. I'd rather have 6 well balanced, carefully thought out, and distinctive classes than 15 that are very similar in functionality and are poorly balanced.
Opinion (because how could I know what Mythic is thinking?)
I doubt Mythic is specifically competing with AOC, especially since AOC keeps moving its target date around. There are also about 10 other games currently on the release list, are they trying to manuver around all of them? Doubtful.
WOW Clone huh? I think you might find this game to be quite a bit different from WOW...especially if it plays at all like their previous title did...DAOC. Creating a game with a PVP (aka RVR) end game totally changes the focus of the game. Also, this time around they seem to realize that players dont want to grind up 50 levels to get to the RVR..so they are interspersing it liberally thoughout the lower levels. (BGs in DAOC were actually an addition that came in response to player complaints)
So what if it has similar graphics for dwarves and orcs.... that has nothing to do with gameplay. And lets hope the come up with a slick and polished UI like WOW's....the DAOC one is a bit rough and many players dont care for it.
I can't speak to what AOC did with regards to their combat system...you seem to infer they took the DAOC RVR model and have made it better. Maybe so, we'll have to wait until the game is released before we can truely find out. The fact that AOC is console friendly has many of us doubting whether the combat style can be reconciled with PC gamers....past efforts by other games to do so have been less than successful.
As to VG being better than WAR... are you saying VG is so totally awesome that no way WAR can exceed it?
LOL, until WAR actually is released....we won't really know whether that is true or not, will we?
In the end sir..why did you see it necessary to post such a troll post? You bored at work or school and couldn't come up with anything more enlightening to say/do?
signed... One who puts his faith in God... instead of video games....
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"This is the most intelligent, well qualified and articulate response to a post I have ever seen on these forums. It's a shame most people here won't have the attention span to read past the second line." - Anon
WAR has allways been planned for Q4 2007. And we allready have 16 classes. With 8 more to come once they get working on the elf areas and classes.
The second point you have... isn't even worth responding to.
It's sad when trolls don't even bother to research the subject they're trolling to actually make sense.
Do you suffer from "WoW syndrome" too?
Thus, I have to give you some nice points in flaming. You should be a level 13 flamer by now maby.
$OE lies list
http://www.rlmmo.com/viewtopic.php?t=424&start=0
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And I don't want to hear anything about "I don't believe in vampires" because *I* don't believe in vampires, but I believe in my own two eyes, and what *I* saw is ******* vampires! "
He must have meant "Races," not classes. There will be 24 classes, each a variation of the 4 classic archetypes (tank, offensive melee, ranged, healer).
There are 6 races. This has always been their plan. Games with dozens of races don't really offer variety. Usually, body models are shared between most of the races, meaning everyone is really the same (with different heads). Not WAR, though. Dwarves look nothing like Greenskins, or Chaos, or anyone else. Every race is DIFFERENT! This is something that WoW got right (at least visually).
Seriously.
It's Are'el. This forum doesn't allow apostrophes in usernames.
Face it, different races are only different skins. Nothing more. What? You get racial abilities? Truly, what the hell do they do in the long run anyway?
I get the feeling you will FEEL like the race more when you play Warhammer, absolutely. Especially since CHAOS seem to be able to mutate themselves.
This will probably be the first game I truly will FEEL the race/class that I play.
$OE lies list
http://www.rlmmo.com/viewtopic.php?t=424&start=0
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And I don't want to hear anything about "I don't believe in vampires" because *I* don't believe in vampires, but I believe in my own two eyes, and what *I* saw is ******* vampires! "
I get the picture
$OE lies list
http://www.rlmmo.com/viewtopic.php?t=424&start=0
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And I don't want to hear anything about "I don't believe in vampires" because *I* don't believe in vampires, but I believe in my own two eyes, and what *I* saw is ******* vampires! "
Seriously.
It's Are'el. This forum doesn't allow apostrophes in usernames.
Your on fucking crack. First, first person shooters are for consoles? Consoles are the worst vehicle for fps's, fps's were designed for the pc.
So you think hand/eye coordination is not skill... but clicking on your target, hitting attack, and going to watch tv in the other room untill you win is?
tab..... autoattack..... wait..... tab..... autoattack..... wait.....Yea, I guess that is less exhausting...
So, all in all, you prefer PC games because you hate using a mouse... you are seriously on crack arent you?
To sum up your entire post... "DDUURRRR! I HATES APPLES CUZ THAY ARE 2 BLUE!!!!!"
Now im not supporting the OP's idea. I think AoC and WAR will be the next 2 best things in the mmo world, and I plan to play the hell out of both of them. (assuming neither turn out lame) But I just had to comment on your ignorance, it was so odd. And if you dont like the original poster's ideas, then you might wanna delete your post, cause YOU basing the OP with your ignorance kinda helps him out, ya know?
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Durahell, how many people have bashed WAR based on what they see as the graphics for Alpha are? That is their only basis sometimes for saying the game will suck. They haven't even played it and say it sucks. Other games that have released more recently with high end graphics aren't that enjoyable for me. It's lacking gameplay that I enjoy. So I stick to games that focus more on having fun while you play than looking pretty to try and distract you by their gameplay shortcomings.
Sorry for the bad engish:
Got Back to School!
Faks:
WH now release there game in 2007 4Q, insted of 2008 4Q. And whit only 6 classes. And a few other things, all this only becuse they are afred of losing there players to AOC. And i belive that that is tru.
No, its because they are ready to release it.
Why:
Its a WOW clone, in all ways.
Whit that they kill the Combat system, the grafic and the hopes for a Awsom NEW rvr game.
Again, go back to school, learn how to write a sentence, and english. This is not a WoW clone, just because you can play an Orc, doesn't make anything a WoW clone. Plus, they didn't kill anything, Combat is the same, and RvR is different due to you can take over a city, soon WoW, as is usuall with Blizzard, will take the idea as their own.
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AOC did take the combat system to a way higher lvl, and the classes to a way higher lvl. Beside that they take the DAOC rvr system, and make it alot better, and more grp and skill based.
Aoc is in other thread friend, if you going to sit here and AoC Fanboi on us, go over there while jacking off to the Conan Movies. Plus, WAR is thake RvR cause *gasp* its made by the same company that invented it. Now everyone is taking RvR for themselves, calling it something different and saying its new. Kinda like on WoW as they took nightelves, made them not dark, told them they ate magic and called them evil, its the same thing, nothing new. So coming in here and saying "WoW is teh roxxorzer!111!!!1" By saying that AoC and WAR are ripping off of something thats been done really hurts your argument.
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In the name of good, even VG out match WH.
Who cares, Warhammer is going to have people due to, well, Warhammer Fans. If Warhammer fans enjoy it, then it'll be a good game to them, but as it seems in this post, you don't think. Subscribtions don't make it the better game, it just means people are playing it.
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One who lost faith along time ago.
Then don't cry about it, if you "lost faith" go away.
L2English
Is that you malakies?
Why is it that all the trolls have like 10 posts to there name... AND CANT SPEAK ENGLISH!!
o sum up your entire post... "DDUURRRR! I HATES APPLES CUZ THAY ARE 2 BLUE!!!!!" qft
however, this thread makes me LOL.
I see some over-exageration on the "simplicity" of MMO combat. Saying that the gameplay is just "autoattack, tab, autoattack, tab" shows a level of ignorance for modern MMOs. While it is true that autoattack exists in most games, you would die quickly and often if you relied on it. Anymore, you have to pick and choose from an array of skills and abilites, balancing power with energy costs, etc. Not even pure melee classes use autoattack for anything more than keeping the fight going during a lag spike.
Hotkey combat is far from simplistic, and is quite fun for many people. Action-oriented mechanics can be fun, too, but usually come at the cost of a lack of options. Personally swinging a sword and blocking with the shield, while more responsive, makes it difficult to have tons of varying skills and spells. Look to a non-MMO as an example; Oblivion. You have the otion of doing an attack with your weapon (with 4 different power attacks), block, and have one spell at the ready. Fun it it's own right, but lacking in variety and quick options. Plus, considering the commonness of lag in MMOs, action-based combat almost seems like a risky mistake. Now consider the standard MMO, with anywhere from 8 to 36 skills and spells at the ready on your toolbar. That allows for a lot more strategy and variety.
Seriously.
It's Are'el. This forum doesn't allow apostrophes in usernames.
Some people love it, just to sit there and have your avatar beat on something sensless and sit down and watch the battle unfold, others like to sit there and move their avatar around, dodge out of a monsters attack and counter attack.
So you think hand/eye coordination is not skill... but clicking on your target, hitting attack, and going to watch tv in the other room untill you win is?
tab..... autoattack..... wait..... tab..... autoattack..... wait.....Yea, I guess that is less exhausting...
So, all in all, you prefer PC games because you hate using a mouse... you are seriously on crack arent you?
To sum up your entire post... "DDUURRRR! I HATES APPLES CUZ THAY ARE 2 BLUE!!!!!"
Now im not supporting the OP's idea. I think AoC and WAR will be the next 2 best things in the mmo world, and I plan to play the hell out of both of them. (assuming neither turn out lame) But I just had to comment on your ignorance, it was so odd. And if you dont like the original poster's ideas, then you might wanna delete your post, cause YOU basing the OP with your ignorance kinda helps him out, ya know?
You're the crack head bub. FPS's came out on consoles before PC's were ever even made for public use. My old Atari 2600 can attest to that. I had that console several years before they even came out with an actual home pc, also known as the Commodore 64 and the Atari 4800.
I in no way stated that hand/eye abilities are not skills, god learn how to fricken read, you moron. Its all about the avatar's skill rather than the player's that I enjoy. I stated that I don't like twitch combat, which is much less common in PC games than it is for console games, even an idiot like you can see that. And where in the hell do you get the idea I don't like or use a mouse, that wasn't even in my comments. You're not only an idiot, but delusional as well. For the record, I like using the direction keys along with the mouse, but I guess you'll turn that around and say I prefer to sticks and stones along with my abacus, cripes.
I don't care if you prefer FPS style games on the PC, the problem is that avatar based skill games are only made for PC's, you can't get it on a console game and it ticks me off to no end to see game developers phasing it out on the only venue that offers it. You do understand what avatar skill means, right? You know, the whole RPG aspect of a MMO, playing the role of your avatar who has its own skills and abilities and the game bases all calculations on those skills rather than on your computer hardware or the player's twitch skills.
Really though, if you can't understand someone's statement, perhaps it would be best to not post anything at all or you'll come up looking like an ass.
With PvE raiding, it has never been a question of being "good enough". I play games to have fun, not to be a simpering toady sitting through hour after hour of mind numbing boredom and fawning over a guild master in the hopes that he will condescend to reward me with shiny bits of loot. But in games where those people get the highest progression, anyone who doesn't do that will just be a moving target for them and I'll be damned if I'm going to pay money for the privilege. - Neanderthal
Come on guys n' gals, you can come up with better than this.
I'm not even going to say anything. This thread just goes to show the amount of ignorance some people have on this site.
I hate you ArzhAngel. It's people like you who give the MMO community a terrible rep.
OP..
Just a question..
Your name.. Is its supposed to be ARCHangel?
But well when i say it the way you have it written..
It just seems to come out as ARSEangel..
Which from your post could infact be correct in as much of you making an arse of yourself.