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D2 titan killed by BoB because of exploit
cosy
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D2 lost hes titan because a explit that is from revelation
when u kill a NPC the wreck stay on space like 2 h then if u log off is easy to see if u log off use buddy list come and shoot that wreck then u get 15 min agro time and 15 min are sufficient to get scanned and killed
the agro time work even if u are at 15 jumps away
http://img255.imageshack.us/my.php?image=20070216180605px9.jpg
http://www.killboard.net/details/130721/
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D2 say that was a spy using friendly fire
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IMO friendly fire dont have to give agro time lol
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if I were to kill a titan tomorrow and no CCP employees showed up to say grats I would petition it.
Waiting for: the next MMO that lets me make this macro
if hp < 30 then CastSpell("heal") SpellTargetUnit("player") else CastSpell("smite") end
It wasn't an exploit. Was a BoB spy inside D2. He had been scouting the Erebus for awhile in a covort ops ship. When it warped off so the pilot could log off, he locked on with a passive targeter and fired a single shot before the titan pilot logged. Pilot logged, not noticing he'd been shot.
BoB warps in with Dreads and kills it in under 2 minutes -- Ererbus pilot didn't even have a tank going when he logged.
No exploit.
No, this event was not due to an exploit, no matter how much we would like to think of BoB as eb1l h4xploiters.
The Official Statement by Dusk And Dawn [D2]
I'll have to say "well executed" to BoB, despite being on the opposite side of the battle and an ally of D2. The method was within established game mechanics, though no argument that it was on the dirty side of the borderline.
Titans should have some kind of unique vulnerability. Hopefully the addition of Heat(tm) and module targeting in the upcoming Revelations chapters will address this.
What is lame is that so far 2 titans have been killed and they were not even in a fleet battle. They were sitting solo with the pilot's logged off. At this point you would have to be crazy to put all theat effort into somthing and have it killed by lag or a cheesy game mechanic.
weeeeeee and CCP make second bookmark for permanent wreck
why dont add on info "killed on loged off"
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That is a logical error in the game mechanics, a ship that is shot at without returning fire should never have an aggro disadvantage from it. Fix it, CCP...
You know why titans keep dying after logging/in construction? Because that is the only possible way to kill them.
-faith chooses no man
Kudos to D2 for being mature about it.
Shame on BoB for using it.
"A ship-of-war is the best ambassador." - Oliver Cromwell
There've only been what, 2 supercapitals downed total by other groups, and they were both motherships with considerably less defensive capability.
The main problem with this is CCP seems to fully endorse this kind of exploiting.
The day they start balancing ship capabilities so they have abilities to counter this style of attack is the day I'll believe it's a valid tactic. i will also accept this as a tactic the day you can't leave gang until your aggression timer wears off so your friends have a chance to warp to you and save you.
Which Final Fantasy Character Are You?
if I were to kill a titan tomorrow and no CCP employees showed up to say grats I would petition it.
Waiting for: the next MMO that lets me make this macro
if hp < 30 then CastSpell("heal") SpellTargetUnit("player") else CastSpell("smite") end
the easy way is like on many games 15 seconds until logoff if some on hit u on that time the log off time get beaked
is on: WoW, daoc, swg, AO, and many more
((((
the weird was that after the kill a GM pop up say congratulation to bob and that the wreck will be permanent in game
none can say wtf was doing the gm there even if CCP make a statement about that not many ppl will believe them
and about little "exploit"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J1Kez2jW1zY
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The log off timer is put in place to prevent people from logging off from a fight to save a ship. It is not meant to be used by someone so that a ship can never log off or face destruction. It doesn't matter how cleaver the plan was, the bottom line is that the log off timer was used to accomplish something that was not meant for it to do.
Just like trading wins in BGs or using "scouts" to avoid the afk penalty in WoW. All of these things can be achieved by simply playing the game and using what is available to you. But it's still an exploit.
In reality exploits are what CCP says they are. Flagging people aggroed so you can kill them is not.
Yeah right, another obvious exploit passed off as good tactics. This game is going downhill fast and the devs are doing zip about it.
Anyone congratulating BOB on this thread should go stick their head in the sand in shame.
They should rename BOB to "Exploits are US"!
The creater of any MMO needs to make sure that every feature that is put into a game will not result in misuse and exploiting.
I highly doubt that CCP designed the current aggro timer with what happened today to D2's titan in mind. It just doesn't make sense. What they're saying is that it's ok to try to aggro people as they are logging so you can get a free kill, when the reason for logging off is not to avoid getting killed at all.
The D2 titan pilot had stuck around for several hours and then had to log because of RL. He wasn't getting attacked, he never got any aggro.
Is that really the point of this game? To find ways so that you don't actually have to fight in order to kill someone?
Ultimately, it's CCP's call. They can decide what is "legal" and what is not. Whether they give the Titan back to D2 will say a lot about this current issue. If the titan stays dead, then it's ok to do this to anyone and everyone. If it's given back, then the current tactics is an exploit.
I'll accept what CCP decides in this case.
EVE is a total sandbox which is great. Having spies and such is awesome. Great job on the BoB spy for doing what he did to further his corp's goals. It's a RL type of situation that can gain someone an advantage in war time. But now we come across using node crashing/offline pilot/POS bubble/etc. Whatever the excuses are, the point is, this is no longer about being able to conquer an enemy, but to use the games coding to someone's advantage.
In my eyes, fair or foul, that would be exploiting. Doesn't matter if it goes with the terms or not, it is taking away from the immersion of the game. And worst yet CCP congratulates them for it. It's like this game is no longer about ingame tactics or skill, but who can figure out how to work around the coding to gain the maximum advantage.
Well I was about to give CCP another chance after the "incident", but I obviously should have (and will now) go with my first instinct.
Its not to kill 'someone'. The amount of time and aggravation involved with trying to get someone to log flagged makes it a generally useless tactic, EXCEPT in the case of ships which are de facto unkillable any other way.If it was possible to hold a titan somewhere to kill it, then people would do that instead of wasting time and effort on these methods. It isn't possible, hence why this keeps happening to titans and basically nothing else. Classic. I bet CCP is turning blind eye to that and oh there is no log of any exploit being used (we dont want to ban any of our friends). That looks more like a sync error with the cameraman then anything else.
At 1-st they used spies. Yes, they are not alone, but it looks like it's only they are so proud of using this "tactics". How difficult is it to place a spy for a closed elitist alliance, when they are fighting others with a lot more relaxed recruitment policies? You can say, it's their own fault. Yes, it's their own fault for accepting newer members and letting them enjoy all aspects of Eve instead of relying only on beta-veterans and their RL friends. Then they used corp theft, sabotage, TS infiltration, forum espionage notice - it has nothing to do with the game itself. It's using near-game tactics to get advantage in game - metagaming. Then they had their propaganda wars, unleashing hordes of forum trolls to throw dirt, smear and demoralize their enemies. Opposition leaders get constantly laughed at and ridiculed. Anyone remember the 1-st war between Goons and BoB? When they used some bad joke on Goon p r i v a t e forums? And then what? They whined like little girls when their own private forum was hacked - someone "stretched the boundaries" a little bit more. And what a surprise - the hacker uncovered that BoB has a Dev help, that they are constantly violating EULA in front of their Dev friend (Shrike's titan is a shared account as it's available on short notice 23/7, cynonet is a violation of EULA, which was endorsed by the cheating Dev). There were other allegations too, which CCP of course won't bother to check.
Now we have this - D2 Titan killed by exploiting a hole in aggro timer mechanics. Exploit is when a game feature is used in a way it wasn't intended to be used. Aggro timer surely wasn't put in place to prevent a ship from logging when NOT in combat situation, it was NOT implemented to stop ppl from living their lives, so that they'll have to either share their account (what BoB does with their Titan) or leave Eve client all the time on, while afk'ing. From now on, I will laugh at the face of any BoB fanboi who will whine about some dirty trick from RA or AAA, or about some not-so-nice tactic by Goons.
Anyway, i dont think CCP will reimburse this one, but now i see the node crashing tactics of RaGoons valid as well.
Wrong...
The titan was hit with a smartbomb, there was no passive targeter involved when it was hit outside the pos shields as you can clearly see what mods was fitted (Co ops cloak, probe launcher and micro smartbomb). Though the tactic was down right dirty, it however is with in the game mechanics.
But, at the moment of logging off, did the titan pilot have an aggro timer set on, or he didn't have any aggro timer on the screen?
If he didn't have an aggro timer on the screen, then the ship should be reimbursed and the exploiters (bob) banned, or the game will go down down. If he did see the aggro timer and logged off, then good fight (though stupid way to lose a titan, like ascn's) and this thread is useless