Exploits, cheating in EVE. Opinion.

alphajonny · February 2007

I think the biggest loser in all of this is the devs of games that actually take their job seriously. While there may have been some exploits in EVE by Devs it's mark is far greater than just the one Dev who Exploits. This has now opened a Pandora's Box on the gaming community. Any further fingers pointing at Devs playing unfairly will be easier to belive now that one has come forward and admitted it. Not just in EVE, any game, will be succeptable to DEV bashing for cheating or what not. Worse than it is now.

This littel fiasco has probably cost CCP quite a bit of money in subscriptions. . This will cost many other games in the future also.

How can they make ammends? They cant. The demons are out. of the bag. They were peeking out before but now they torrent.

In closing, EVE sounds pretty damn cool, I wont try it. I would like to hear other opinions about how they think this might affect the communities at large. Have you noticed DEVS cheating somewhere else? Do you believe it more now than you did then?

kovah · February 2007

I'm still a fairly new to EVE with only 5 months or so under my belt. The recent events have not meant anything to me beyond more useless spam in the forums than normal. Before I replied I had to check the server status over the past few days and I must say that I did raise an eyebrow when I looked.

http://eve.coldfront.net/status/tranquility

Slight decrease in the number of people online since the shit hit the fan.

Interesting at the least imo.

To answer your question I don't think this will affect anything really. This has always (imo) happened in MMOs. This will always happen in MMOs. What is different about this time is that they actually admitted it. Props to them for that, props to them for trying to do something about it. They could've simply denied the whole thing... /shrug (edit-and yes, they only admitted it cause k pwnt them -- we know)

I'm gonna keep playing cause, (i luv imo'z), Eve-Online is the best game currently available on the market (besides cs:s)

gl hf

Everith · February 2007

Agreed. Exploiting happens. Cheating and botting are rampent in MMO's. The only difference here is devs where caught and guilt was admited. Now from what i've read They are owning up to it and going to attempts to do something about it. It's really not as easy as "Fire the guy" Because i'm sure the guy is a good dev and i'm sure knows the game well and has alot of friends at the company. If we all got fired the first time we did something against the rules at work i'm sure we'd ALL be homeless.

At least they're gonne TRY and fix it... how many bots are in l2. how many farmers in WoW. And not to mention that the devs in other games get "God modes" to go into. These devs have to play the game just like all of us. Ya know what Shis happens. And 90% of eves player base probably wouldn't have known about this if it weren't for all the forum BLABBER. Truth is most players will never be affected by this and stuff happeneing like this should NOT deter you from playing something you enjoy. If we all quit mmo's with cheaters... well the mmo market would be dead it's the nature of the beast.

Ciredric · February 2007

Problem with EVE is there is an exploit around every corner and since the rules are so nebulous in many areas little is done about it. CCP position it is an open game and they rarely do anything unless the exploit is blatant.

This can be really hard on new players who are trusting. You either learn to trust no one except your corpmates.

It is especially bad that large alliances are allowed to get away with blatant exploits with nothing being done to them. An excellent example was Red Alliances exploiting of the 10/10 complexes, all CCP did was close the loophole. Then we have BOB, always in the right place at the right time, hardly a coincidence.

This game reminds me of AC when all the rampant cheating was going on with macros and cheat programs. While it has not sunk that low yet, it is not far from it.

bawldy · February 2007

Originally posted by Everith

Agreed. Exploiting happens. Cheating and botting are rampent in MMO's. The only difference here is devs where caught and guilt was admited. Now from what i've read They are owning up to it and going to attempts to do something about it. It's really not as easy as "Fire the guy" Because i'm sure the guy is a good dev and i'm sure knows the game well and has alot of friends at the company. If we all got fired the first time we did something against the rules at work i'm sure we'd ALL be homeless.

At least they're gonne TRY and fix it... how many bots are in l2. how many farmers in WoW. And not to mention that the devs in other games get "God modes" to go into. These devs have to play the game just like all of us. Ya know what Shis happens. And 90% of eves player base probably wouldn't have known about this if it weren't for all the forum BLABBER. Truth is most players will never be affected by this and stuff happeneing like this should NOT deter you from playing something you enjoy. If we all quit mmo's with cheaters... well the mmo market would be dead it's the nature of the beast.

ohhh players were effected, directly...or have you just chosen to ignored all the complaints and commentary of those that were effected?

surprised anyone would dismiss the entire thing as common place, so allow it...

kovah · February 2007

Originally posted by bawldy

ohhh players were effected, directly...or have you just chosen to ignored all the complaints and commentary of those that were effected?

surprised anyone would dismiss the entire thing as common place, so allow it...

I mean... seriously... they are here telling us how they feel every 1.2748 posts. how can you ignor.......................

huh? what were we talking about?

Everith · February 2007

So your saying every subscriber was effected... no only certain people where. not the majority of players by any fathom.

And i'm not saying disregard it. But if you can't deal with it dont. We don't need to hear about how angry you are every 5 seconds.

Nicoli · February 2007

To be honest Kovah I think that the reduction in the number of accounts on has more to do with the war than eanything else. Nobody is going to be running 6 accounts in PVP, like you may have happen during a mining opp during normal periods.

kovah · February 2007

That is probably true and regardless -- they are still above where they were just back in November.

Everith · February 2007

Yea... but if i had 3+ years invested in this game like some claim, it would take ALOT more than devs exploiting someone other than me to make me quit the game.

Whiskey6 · February 2007

I played Eve quite a while ago and after having seen the direction CCP was taking things and having been in a couple of really large alliances that just blew up on their own one day I cancelled my subscriptions and moved on. I played with three accounts, two were white hats types that worked in industrial based corps and alliances that did their best to create a viable 0.0 areas where people could go and have access to the rares and named NPC's. Of course the other was a rat bastard that would gate camp, jump rat hunters, miners or stray industrials without thinking twice about it.

Eve has so many holes in it that all kinds on in game nefarious behavior takes place 24/7. Its not surprising that it would foster that same behavior outside of the game as well. That being CCP's own people making things just a little better for whomever it was they were backing, whether that group knew about it at the time or not. Now of course Pandora's box has been opened and you all know how that ended up, I don't think its going to bring down Eve because there are just too many lemmings playing the game for that to happen. They've invested so much time and money in their ingame persona's that leaving them is virtually impossible for them unless a house were to be dropped on their heads. For those that are sticking with Eve even after this, I pity you for your blind devotion to people that couldn't care less about you and only care about the money they can get out of you. For those that decided this was one straw too many, good for you. With this next generation of games coming out I'm hoping for a Sci-Fi one thats fun rather than one that makes me feel like I've just gotten another job, which is what Eve seems more like to me.

gortX · February 2007

There are a lot of possbile expoits in EVE. I knew a guy who could copy every item he owned, due to a glitch in the game. It took ages for CCP to find that out.

I didn´t know he did so, he allways told people he made that isk with business ingame but since then i don´t trust most people ingame. The comunity in EVE is pretty bad, mostly smack and insults, so it ain´t very surprising that there is alot of cheating either. (Not to mention the ingame mails from ebay "gold sellers"....)

I think CCP now has to deal with the demons they called upon themself. In addition to the cheating (even from DEV(s)

) EVE has tremendous lag problems which transfrom bigger battles into jokes. Only pure luck decides if you win or die. Server and client are out of sync alot. (and no, it is not my pc...)

The causes why i canceled my account is not only those above, but also the fact that CCP doesn´t acknowledge most of the above mentioned things and shows no signs of trying to make things better. Lag gets worse every day since the two last years.

ptsakiris · February 2007

The situation right now went down hill.

If CCP doesn't take action soon the game will die.

Only yesterday, and an exploit & bug became "a feature" because they don't want to ban their own mates, BoB.

A carrier was inside a pos and still went hit and was locked by whole BoB fleet.

One GM admits he cannot reproduce it, a Dev said it's exploit, and later another GM said that it's an ingame feature none knew about and nowhere is posted.

And the fottage (the video from own BoB's member pilot) show clear what happened!!!

LoL.

dutchman · February 2007

D2 had a traitor in there mids, he targeted the titan and made it warp out whti agro timer so that the fleet coud shoot it. All this anti bob shit, red allaince exploited for almost a year whitout reporting it. (deapspace overseer spawn every 50 minutes) I dont see anyone on th eforum bitch about that 1. Or the goon fleet using 32462308742 frigs to lag teh shit out of something.

Get over it or leave and stfu, the eve universe is bigger than BOB.

ptsakiris · February 2007

I'm not talking about the Titan last week. But about the Carrier 2 days ago.

http://myeve.eve-online.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=477542

ChromeBallz · February 2007

Originally posted by ptsakiris

The situation right now went down hill.

If CCP doesn't take action soon the game will die.

Only yesterday, and an exploit & bug became "a feature" because they don't want to ban their own mates, BoB.

A carrier was inside a pos and still went hit and was locked by whole BoB fleet.

One GM admits he cannot reproduce it, a Dev said it's exploit, and later another GM said that it's an ingame feature none knew about and nowhere is posted.

And the fottage (the video from own BoB's member pilot) show clear what happened!!!

LoL.

Get your facts straight. The titan was outside the shield when he was aggroed. D2 themselves admit this.

Jowen · February 2007

Originally posted by ChromeBallz

Originally posted by ptsakiris

The situation right now went down hill.

If CCP doesn't take action soon the game will die.

Only yesterday, and an exploit & bug became "a feature" because they don't want to ban their own mates, BoB.

A carrier was inside a pos and still went hit and was locked by whole BoB fleet.

One GM admits he cannot reproduce it, a Dev said it's exploit, and later another GM said that it's an ingame feature none knew about and nowhere is posted.

And the fottage (the video from own BoB's member pilot) show clear what happened!!!

LoL.

Get your facts straight. The titan was outside the shield when he was aggroed. D2 themselves admit this. Duh...

damian7 · February 2007

Originally posted by Everith

Agreed. Exploiting happens. Cheating and botting are rampent in MMO's. The only difference here is devs where caught and guilt was admited. Now from what i've read They are owning up to it and going to attempts to do something about it. It's really not as easy as "Fire the guy" Because i'm sure the guy is a good dev and i'm sure knows the game well and has alot of friends at the company. If we all got fired the first time we did something against the rules at work i'm sure we'd ALL be homeless.

At least they're gonne TRY and fix it... how many bots are in l2. how many farmers in WoW. And not to mention that the devs in other games get "God modes" to go into. These devs have to play the game just like all of us. Ya know what Shis happens. And 90% of eves player base probably wouldn't have known about this if it weren't for all the forum BLABBER. Truth is most players will never be affected by this and stuff happeneing like this should NOT deter you from playing something you enjoy. If we all quit mmo's with cheaters... well the mmo marke.t would be dead it's the nature of the beast

july thru february is 8 months of "mistakes" + cheating. it's not a one time thing. and you're right, the Band of Developers' alliance is really teensy tiny and could never hurt another corp or alliance in a milion years.

oh wait, you have no idea what you're talking about. my bad.

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