WoW isn't a very hard game, but that's not even the problem. Most MMORPG's are designed to be easy. What kills me with WoW is the lack of choices you get while making your character. Half of D&D was about building characters. None of that in WoW. Instead, you get talents. While each class has a half-dozen or so talents that are awesome, like burning soul for mages, almost all are just minor percentage increases in some numerical value. Slightly bigger/smaller numbers doesn't feel like character customization to me.
WoW really did feel like a step back for me in terms of character customization. I quit a few weeks after I hit 60, and I haven't looked back. Where I went after that was Guild Wars. If you like PVP, that is truly an awesome game. The only downside is that it's all arena PVP, with teams fighting it out in small zones. That's not a bad thing at all, but it does mean you're going to be at a big disadvantage if you can't find a guild to run with. The PVE is pretty good too. It's just short. There's no item grind, but you still make choices for your gear. It's just easy to acquire stuff with max stats, so you aren't limited to choosing from what you can grind up. Instead, power is largely determined by what skills you pick. You can only have eight at one time, but there's tons to choose from for any char.
DDO is a good game, honestly, but it's not for everybody. First, let me say this: DDO is an action RPG. It doesn't really replicate the feel of playing tabletop, but I don't think it aims to. It's somewhat hamstrung by the lack of content, though. This would have been the perfect game to institute dynamically generated dungeons, ala Diablo, but they didn't. Instead, you have game in which half the population is veterans who only run a handful of missions in which they've already memorized everything.
If you want an action RPG where it's you and a team fighting through an instanced dungeon, I'd seriously hold out for a game like Hellgate: London.
well DDO is very differant, if your a casual you should not get DDO, plus i am not sure how many peeps would be at the lower end of the game. WoW there should be plenty
Originally posted by mbblade well DDO is very differant, if your a casual you should not get DDO, plus i am not sure how many peeps would be at the lower end of the game. WoW there should be plenty
I disagree. I am a very causual player due to school. I play my brains out on the weekends and there is plenty to do in DDO for the casual player. There are people all the time rolling new characters in DDO.
The only gripe by some is if you are a total new person to the game it might be fast paced since most have high lvl characters already. If that worries you TELL THE GROUP YOU ARE NEW.
I have never had a problem when I told a group when I first started the game I was new if they could take it slow. If they boot you out, trust me you don't want to be in their group anyways. I have never been booted from a group for asking to take it slow.
well let me tell you a little story. I have played both games. I beta tested both games and to start with I never could get into WoW. Mostly it was the subscriber base with there non stop arguing and yelling and Chuck norris crap. I felt like a Grandpa in a 2ed Grade class.
DDO was so much fun for me for about 4 months. I really enyoyed the built in voice chat feature. The Joystick support is fantastic (i now play with my xbox 360 controller and love it more)
then it got old i got sad so i quit. I just restarted playing about 3 weeks ago and let me tell you it has improved 100 fold. There is A bunch of solo content with more being added at the end of this month. the lvl cap has been raised and will again be raised at the end of this month. they have improved featrers and questes and story lines all in all its turned into a really stand up game!
even if it did take a year.
Conservatism. Just old white men trying to find ways to legalize discrimination, and make the poor poorer
well DDO is very differant, if your a casual you should not get DDO, plus i am not sure how many peeps would be at the lower end of the game. WoW there should be plenty
I disagree. I am a very causual player due to school. I play my brains out on the weekends and there is plenty to do in DDO for the casual player. There are people all the time rolling new characters in DDO.
The only gripe by some is if you are a total new person to the game it might be fast paced since most have high lvl characters already. If that worries you TELL THE GROUP YOU ARE NEW.
I have never had a problem when I told a group when I first started the game I was new if they could take it slow. If they boot you out, trust me you don't want to be in their group anyways. I have never been booted from a group for asking to take it slow.
For a game that supposely has a lot of content most of the level 8 to 10, players spend most of their time repeatedly running dungeons in the harbor area and marketplace. If you took out ability to repeat quests or change the difficulty, the game isn't work with much content. The game is surviving on people who like repetitive gameplay. Outside of dungeon crawling, DDO offers pvp (which no one really plays), and nothing else.
Lastera I can argue with you again on this. How is this any different from other MMORPGs with repetitive dungeons? I ran the nest night after night in EQ2. When EOF came out it was that crushbone dungeon, obelisk, that dungeon in loping planes night after night.
And then in COH/COV, the missions may be different but the layout is the same ol thing. I don't mind any of it, and apparently a lot of other people don't mind it either.
As for PVP I think most players who play DDO know that PVP isn't the be all end all of PVP games and most don't care otherwise they would all be in L2 or Wow.
As for what else you said I could not understand what you typed, your grammer is bad so I can't comment.
Lastera I can argue with you again on this. How is this any different from other MMORPGs with repetitive dungeons? I ran the nest night after night in EQ2. When EOF came out it was that crushbone dungeon, obelisk, that dungeon in loping planes night after night.
Uh...DDO is one of the few MMORPGs out there that allows you to repeat a quest. In most MMORPG,, you can go into the same area or instance to kill the monsters, but you can't do the same exact quest. As I said earlier, if you take out DDO's changable difficulty and the ability to repeat the quest, this game isn't working with much. Most MMORPG encourage gamers to move on. DDO and a few others do not; in fact DDO thrives on repetition and grinding. That's basically what DDO is...one big grind. I can't gain maximum favor or XP unless I finish the dungeon on it's highest difficulty. And then in COH/COV, the missions may be different but the layout is the same ol thing. I don't mind any of it, and apparently a lot of other people don't mind it either.
What does that got to do with the fact that DDO encourages players to repeat quests? As for PVP I think most players who play DDO know that PVP isn't the be all end all of PVP games and most don't care otherwise they would all be in L2 or Wow.
Most players don't play DDO for number of reason and that has to do with imbalancing class issues and high magic settings. In fact they had to nerf the improve trip. A fighter in a high class setting is just as dangerous to a spellcaster as a paladin if built right. As for what else you said I could not understand what you typed, your grammer is bad so I can't comment.
I haven't played DDO, so I can't comment. I did play WoW, as most people, and highly recommend leveling a character to 60 (or 70 w/ expansion) on a fresh server. End-game wow pretty much stinks in every way, but the road to 60 is by far the most entertaining leveling process on the market. WoW is therefore completely worth it to buy if only to play the beginning part of the game, which will take an average gamer around four to six months of leveling, and another two to three months of high level play before you get bored.
You missed everything I said, but you always do anyways. On that note, I am done arguing to the wall... To the OP goodluck in your search, do let us know what you decide. I'm curious to know what ya picked.
I would recommend eq2 if your looking for a good game, that is somewhat challangeing. The problem with wow is that it is way to easy and filld with a bunch of younger adults....makes it seem like a kids playground. DDo is fun baceause it is based on the ddo system but the game it self lacks that which a mmorpg should be, MASSIVE and open......you have to do the same story quests in the same dungeons the same way......it gets boring after awhile.......I personally enjoy Vanguard right now, massive and open and reminds me of the good ole days of eq1
DDO may be cheaper,but you get alot more bang for youre buck with WoW, especially if you get TBC with it youl have access to an immense world!Two even!While DDO is very small, il be honest:The quest are alot more repetitive and more boring, but i still think WoW is superior because of size..things like Battlegrounds, crafting skills and because there are simply alot more quests to do and more levels to gain!And there is much to see, like some jokes they put in there ( For example Geordi Lapforge in Gadgetzan..).
You just get more with WoW..simply put..and if you read some more lore i think you might get quite enthralled by it.
I would recommend eq2 if your looking for a good game, that is somewhat challangeing. The problem with wow is that it is way to easy and filld with a bunch of younger adults....makes it seem like a kids playground. DDo is fun baceause it is based on the ddo system but the game it self lacks that which a mmorpg should be, MASSIVE and open......you have to do the same story quests in the same dungeons the same way......it gets boring after awhile.......I personally enjoy Vanguard right now, massive and open and reminds me of the good ole days of eq1
You sir an an idiot. Wow easy? The fact you cannot fathom that wow is designed to be user friendly which alows the user to play with little effort is what makes wow easy you idiot. Wow User interface is designed to be easy to understand and easy to use idiot. Go learn user interface design. This is what makes the game good to play and learn. Not omg its easy. Other games try to over complicate user inerfaces etc, which gives poor gameplay. Something your feeble brainless skull cannot comprehend. This is where wow triumphs and other games fail.
The fact your simple mind cannot comprehend game design or mechanics, means you fail. Simply put, train your mind to think outside the box, and not to think everything that is designed greatly and to be user friendly is simple. The only thing simple here is your liner thinking.
ok i dont know shit about the game other then my 12 and 8 year old nephews play and love this game i could care less about it but it must be preety easy if they both play it all the time so i dont lose i dont fail i just dont care about WoW and u are a fanboi so i would tell the person who asked try DDO cause Wow is simple
If player community or the social aspect of MMOs means anything to you then go with DDO. DDO's community is mature by MMO standards and player communication / party matching is done very well. The gameplay is kind of repetetive but character customization has a lot of depth which promotes identity development and further pushes the social aspect of the game. Unfortunately Turbine does not treat their customers very well and the game has a long history of critical technical problems, but maybe they've turned things around since i quit (November).
WOW is the lowest-common-denominator of the MMO industry. The game has a lot of content but it is tired, stale and predictable. WOW is notorious for being an after-school haven for preteen fanboys and believe me it lives up to the hype. These things create a generic, lifeless, mass-marketed, corporate-takeover atmosphere that players from other MMOs tend to turn their nose up at. But then again, if you are new to the genre then the it might not be a bad place to start.
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Well it depinds on if u like team work or playing alone
team work DDO it has voice over ip or something like that very team work based.
playing alone WOW is good for playing alone most of the time not very team based cost 14.99$ a month
PS:the choise is yours we do not deside what if you buy WOW/DDO it is your money your choise.
WoW isn't a very hard game, but that's not even the problem. Most MMORPG's are designed to be easy. What kills me with WoW is the lack of choices you get while making your character. Half of D&D was about building characters. None of that in WoW. Instead, you get talents. While each class has a half-dozen or so talents that are awesome, like burning soul for mages, almost all are just minor percentage increases in some numerical value. Slightly bigger/smaller numbers doesn't feel like character customization to me.
WoW really did feel like a step back for me in terms of character customization. I quit a few weeks after I hit 60, and I haven't looked back. Where I went after that was Guild Wars. If you like PVP, that is truly an awesome game. The only downside is that it's all arena PVP, with teams fighting it out in small zones. That's not a bad thing at all, but it does mean you're going to be at a big disadvantage if you can't find a guild to run with. The PVE is pretty good too. It's just short. There's no item grind, but you still make choices for your gear. It's just easy to acquire stuff with max stats, so you aren't limited to choosing from what you can grind up. Instead, power is largely determined by what skills you pick. You can only have eight at one time, but there's tons to choose from for any char.
DDO is a good game, honestly, but it's not for everybody. First, let me say this: DDO is an action RPG. It doesn't really replicate the feel of playing tabletop, but I don't think it aims to. It's somewhat hamstrung by the lack of content, though. This would have been the perfect game to institute dynamically generated dungeons, ala Diablo, but they didn't. Instead, you have game in which half the population is veterans who only run a handful of missions in which they've already memorized everything.
If you want an action RPG where it's you and a team fighting through an instanced dungeon, I'd seriously hold out for a game like Hellgate: London.
well DDO is very differant, if your a casual you should not get DDO, plus i am not sure how many peeps would be at the lower end of the game. WoW there should be plenty
I disagree. I am a very causual player due to school. I play my brains out on the weekends and there is plenty to do in DDO for the casual player. There are people all the time rolling new characters in DDO.
The only gripe by some is if you are a total new person to the game it might be fast paced since most have high lvl characters already. If that worries you TELL THE GROUP YOU ARE NEW.
I have never had a problem when I told a group when I first started the game I was new if they could take it slow. If they boot you out, trust me you don't want to be in their group anyways. I have never been booted from a group for asking to take it slow.
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well let me tell you a little story. I have played both games. I beta tested both games and to start with I never could get into WoW. Mostly it was the subscriber base with there non stop arguing and yelling and Chuck norris crap. I felt like a Grandpa in a 2ed Grade class.
DDO was so much fun for me for about 4 months. I really enyoyed the built in voice chat feature. The Joystick support is fantastic (i now play with my xbox 360 controller and love it more)
then it got old i got sad so i quit. I just restarted playing about 3 weeks ago and let me tell you it has improved 100 fold. There is A bunch of solo content with more being added at the end of this month. the lvl cap has been raised and will again be raised at the end of this month. they have improved featrers and questes and story lines all in all its turned into a really stand up game!
even if it did take a year.
Conservatism.
Just old white men trying to find ways to legalize discrimination, and make the poor poorer
I disagree. I am a very causual player due to school. I play my brains out on the weekends and there is plenty to do in DDO for the casual player. There are people all the time rolling new characters in DDO.
The only gripe by some is if you are a total new person to the game it might be fast paced since most have high lvl characters already. If that worries you TELL THE GROUP YOU ARE NEW.
I have never had a problem when I told a group when I first started the game I was new if they could take it slow. If they boot you out, trust me you don't want to be in their group anyways. I have never been booted from a group for asking to take it slow.
For a game that supposely has a lot of content most of the level 8 to 10, players spend most of their time repeatedly running dungeons in the harbor area and marketplace. If you took out ability to repeat quests or change the difficulty, the game isn't work with much content. The game is surviving on people who like repetitive gameplay. Outside of dungeon crawling, DDO offers pvp (which no one really plays), and nothing else.
Lastera I can argue with you again on this. How is this any different from other MMORPGs with repetitive dungeons? I ran the nest night after night in EQ2. When EOF came out it was that crushbone dungeon, obelisk, that dungeon in loping planes night after night.
And then in COH/COV, the missions may be different but the layout is the same ol thing. I don't mind any of it, and apparently a lot of other people don't mind it either.
As for PVP I think most players who play DDO know that PVP isn't the be all end all of PVP games and most don't care otherwise they would all be in L2 or Wow.
As for what else you said I could not understand what you typed, your grammer is bad so I can't comment.
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On a personal opinion, not based by statistics of players or anything of the sort
I would recommend World of Warcraft and the Burning Crusade Expansion Set
You missed everything I said, but you always do anyways. On that note, I am done arguing to the wall... To the OP goodluck in your search, do let us know what you decide. I'm curious to know what ya picked.
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Play that until AOC, Warhammer, POTBS or Spellborn(maybe)
WAR and Age of Conan will be the end of the year. Or the beginning of next.
Dang, there are great games coming out.
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After re-reading your post (uh, yeah I'm a nut)
I would have to suggest Lotro to you.
Huge amount of quests, hardly a grind, great people (atleast there were in the beta!) and great graphics
http://lotro.turbine.com/stresstest
Definetly WoW.
DDO may be cheaper,but you get alot more bang for youre buck with WoW, especially if you get TBC with it youl have access to an immense world!Two even!While DDO is very small, il be honest:The quest are alot more repetitive and more boring, but i still think WoW is superior because of size..things like Battlegrounds, crafting skills and because there are simply alot more quests to do and more levels to gain!And there is much to see, like some jokes they put in there ( For example Geordi Lapforge in Gadgetzan..).
You just get more with WoW..simply put..and if you read some more lore i think you might get quite enthralled by it.
Vangaurd has been fun for me, despite the bugs.
I am annoyed that there is no helmet graphic though, and tonight everytime I logged in my guy looked different then he was supposed to.
I ALSO WISH I HAD PICKED A DIFFERENT NAME, BUT THERE IS ALWAYS SOMETIHNG THAT ANNOYS ME ABOUT A TOON I MAKE SO OH WELL I GUESS.
mmmm yeeeah, thats greeat, a little to the left would be greeeat, ::sips coffee mug:::
You sir an an idiot. Wow easy? The fact you cannot fathom that wow is designed to be user friendly which alows the user to play with little effort is what makes wow easy you idiot. Wow User interface is designed to be easy to understand and easy to use idiot. Go learn user interface design. This is what makes the game good to play and learn. Not omg its easy. Other games try to over complicate user inerfaces etc, which gives poor gameplay. Something your feeble brainless skull cannot comprehend. This is where wow triumphs and other games fail.
QFS
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WoW is a very simple game for very simple minded players like my 8 year old nephew.
wait for LOTR.
get your moneys worth.
WOW is the lowest-common-denominator of the MMO industry. The game has a lot of content but it is tired, stale and predictable. WOW is notorious for being an after-school haven for preteen fanboys and believe me it lives up to the hype. These things create a generic, lifeless, mass-marketed, corporate-takeover atmosphere that players from other MMOs tend to turn their nose up at. But then again, if you are new to the genre then the it might not be a bad place to start.