PROOF the Size of the World is SMALL (beta tester)

Nikoz78 · February 2007

I decided to conduct a test to demonstrate how small this Middle Earth really is.

With my level 6 Guardian Man, I ran from the Buckleberry Ferry to the Brandywine Bridge.

In the books this is a distance of 20 MILES between the two. Heck, even an NPC told my at the ferry that the bridge was "20 miles to the North."

So how long did it take me to run from the Buckleberry Ferry to the Brandywine Bridge?

67 seconds.

All I can say is what a HUGE letdown.

I worship LOTR. Grew up with the books + the Hobbit, watched the three animated versions a hundred times as a kid and fell in love with Peter Jackson's live-action film interpretations.

I am both a MMORPG geek and huge LOTR nerd.

I should love this game. And I almost DO. But once again Turbine has butchered an epic IP (see also: D&D Online).

The world is chock-full of zones and instances. And I mean SATURATED with them. Takes you right out of the game before you even get into it.

Because of the tiny (puny, even) world and a gazillion zones, there is almost ZERO sense of grand adventure. And what is LOTR without that?

The game is very well made. I'll give it that. Very polished. And the devs are trying to show some integrity and stay true to Tolkien's vision by allowing less-than-PC content (smoking!).

But their (obviously) hard work and attention to certain detail is wasted by the flawed world design. It does not matter how many neat little gimmicks are present in the game.

The scale of the world is: 20 miles = 67 seconds of running.

Yeah, 'epic.'

rungard · February 2007

surely your love of lotr will blind you to such inconsistancies.

im all for big mmo's but its pointless to make the distance 20 miles if theres nothing inbetween here and there. Or in this case.. there and back again.

Terminus-Est · February 2007

If you were to run at 10mph, it would take you 2 hours to run 20 miles. Do you really want to spend 2 hours in game to get from Buckleberry ferry to Brandywine bridge?

URMAKER · February 2007

you forgot to tell everyone that "vanguard is the only real mmorpg". you're slippin' up and letting the rest of the vanbois down

tbarney · February 2007

That is a poor test if you are trying to see how big the world is in this game.

Run from Thorin's Hall to the Trollshaws... you'll pass many areas with different levels and if you're level 6 will never make it. Plus you'll never even get close to the North Downs and areas East of that.

This MMO world is big. But is only a small part of the Tolkien world so will only get bigger.

virtuella · February 2007

Originally posted by Nikoz78

I decided to conduct a test to demonstrate how small this Middle Earth really is.

With my level 6 Guardian Man, I ran from the Buckleberry Ferry to the Brandywine Bridge.

In the books this is a distance of 20 MILES between the two. Heck, even an NPC told my at the ferry that the bridge was "20 miles to the North."

So how long did it take me to run from the Buckleberry Ferry to the Brandywine Bridge?

67 seconds.

All I can say is what a HUGE letdown.

I worship LOTR. Grew up with the books + the Hobbit, watched the three animated versions a hundred times as a kid and fell in love with Peter Jackson's live-action film interpretations.

I am both a MMORPG geek and huge LOTR nerd.

I should love this game. And I almost DO. But once again Turbine has butchered an epic IP (see also: D&D Online).

The world is chock-full of zones and instances. And I mean SATURATED with them. Takes you right out of the game before you even get into it.

Because of the tiny (puny, even) world and a gazillion zones, there is almost ZERO sense of grand adventure. And what is LOTR without that?

The game is very well made. I'll give it that. Very polished. And the devs are trying to show some integrity and stay true to Tolkien's vision by allowing less-than-PC content (smoking!).

But their (obviously) hard work and attention to certain detail is wasted by the flawed world design. It does not matter how many neat little gimmicks are present in the game.

The scale of the world is: 20 miles = 67 seconds of running.

Yeah, 'epic.'

Yes the world has been scaled down big time if you compare certain maps.

No it has not a gazzilion zones like you say.

It has 9 zones within Eriador,get your facts straight.

Did you even try to explore the world at all or did you just run around with a level 10 nuub character in a newbie zone?

The world is somewhat small but if you took all 9 zones and placed in a line it will take you good 2 hours to run West/east.

LOTRO has quite some space to expand in.

This is the world.

http://img70.imageshack.us/my.php?image=worldmapgg6.jpg

Eriador is the only open mainzone at release and it has 8 zones plus a battlegroundzone within it.

in time when Turbine have finished their updates and expansions and their whole world is open it will be way larger than WoW for example.

I wish the world would be larger at release too,but there is no way Turbine could have maded an exact scale of middle earth and have it filled with enough content.

Nikoz78 · February 2007

Originally posted by Terminus-Est

Do you really want to spend 2 hours in game to get from Buckleberry ferry to Brandywine bridge?

Heh, no.

But thats hardly the point. It should at least take 5 minutes not 67 seconds.

A good 10 min run between the two might give you an idea of what I think the size the world should be.

Trolls: Play that fanboy card. Just giving my honest opinion about the game. /peace

JonMichael · February 2007

Originally posted by Nikoz78

I decided to conduct a test to demonstrate how small this Middle Earth really is.

With my level 6 Guardian Man, I ran from the Buckleberry Ferry to the Brandywine Bridge.

In the books this is a distance of 20 MILES between the two. Heck, even an NPC told my at the ferry that the bridge was "20 miles to the North."

So how long did it take me to run from the Buckleberry Ferry to the Brandywine Bridge?

67 seconds.

All I can say is what a HUGE letdown.

I worship LOTR. Grew up with the books + the Hobbit, watched the three animated versions a hundred times as a kid and fell in love with Peter Jackson's live-action film interpretations.

I am both a MMORPG geek and huge LOTR nerd.

I should love this game. And I almost DO. But once again Turbine has butchered an epic IP (see also: D&D Online).

The world is chock-full of zones and instances. And I mean SATURATED with them. Takes you right out of the game before you even get into it.

Because of the tiny (puny, even) world and a gazillion zones, there is almost ZERO sense of grand adventure. And what is LOTR without that?

The game is very well made. I'll give it that. Very polished. And the devs are trying to show some integrity and stay true to Tolkien's vision by allowing less-than-PC content (smoking!).

But their (obviously) hard work and attention to certain detail is wasted by the flawed world design. It does not matter how many neat little gimmicks are present in the game.

The scale of the world is: 20 miles = 67 seconds of running.

Yeah, 'epic.'

Level 6?? ROFLMAO!

That right there gives your post NO credibility. How would you know about how big the world is when you're level SIX? You haven't even seen half of the world yet, but you base the size on running from one place to the other?

Bah!

Markaj · February 2007

Thank God that we don't have to walk 20 miles to Brandywine Bridge "in game"!!! Apparently, Turbine didn't set out to make a "simulation" of Middle Earth, they wanted to make a "game" based on the masterpiece

When you are reading the novel, Tolkien might tell you distances at times, but you should be grateful that you don't actually read at the walking pace to that distance. Novelists might say 100 miles and in next chapter, you are there!

This aside, if you don't mind my term, your analogy is deceptive. You are talking about "the size of the world" and yet you have measured an extremely small portion of the world. Try to walk (I mean "not run", press Insert in game) from a starting village up to a place within Angmar.

With such gross comparison techniques, you are in danger of being qualified as a troll. A friendly warning

Shoal · February 2007

Originally posted by Nikoz78

I decided to conduct a test to demonstrate how small this Middle Earth really is.

With my level 6 Guardian Man, I ran from the Buckleberry Ferry to the Brandywine Bridge.

In the books this is a distance of 20 MILES between the two. Heck, even an NPC told my at the ferry that the bridge was "20 miles to the North."

So how long did it take me to run from the Buckleberry Ferry to the Brandywine Bridge?

67 seconds.

All I can say is what a HUGE letdown.

I worship LOTR. Grew up with the books + the Hobbit, watched the three animated versions a hundred times as a kid and fell in love with Peter Jackson's live-action film interpretations.

I am both a MMORPG geek and huge LOTR nerd.

I should love this game. And I almost DO. But once again Turbine has butchered an epic IP (see also: D&D Online).

The world is chock-full of zones and instances. And I mean SATURATED with them. Takes you right out of the game before you even get into it.

Because of the tiny (puny, even) world and a gazillion zones, there is almost ZERO sense of grand adventure. And what is LOTR without that?

The game is very well made. I'll give it that. Very polished. And the devs are trying to show some integrity and stay true to Tolkien's vision by allowing less-than-PC content (smoking!).

But their (obviously) hard work and attention to certain detail is wasted by the flawed world design. It does not matter how many neat little gimmicks are present in the game.

The scale of the world is: 20 miles = 67 seconds of running.

Yeah, 'epic.'

Ya know, Chunk, it's not the SIZE of the world, it is how you use it.

I think that this is a lesson that YOU had better learn sooner rather than later.

Just kidding. It is a lesson we ALL need to learn.

For MMORPGs, it is called 'Senic Compression'. If the world were on a 'grander' scale, so to speak, it would be vast and empty. There would not be enough programmers available, nor enough time, to fill it with meaningful content. *cough* V:SoH *cough*

So, be happy that it only takes a bit over a minute to make that journey. Remember that BOTH the books and the movies skip over ALL of the tedious travel time and only show the exciting parts. Right?

Nikoz78 · February 2007

Originally posted by virtuella

No it has not a gazzilion zones like you say.

It has 9 zones within Eriador,get your facts straight.

Did you even try to explore the world at all or did you just run around with a level 10 nuub character in a newbie zone?

The world is somewhat small but if you took all 9 zones and placed in a line it will take you good 2 hours to run West/east.

Umm... even a lot of buildings are instanced. Those are zone too. You must be kidding. There is very little shared environment.

Actually, when ever I start a new MMO I find great joy trying to make it to all the areas at low level.

In SWG I went all around Endor as a Novice Marksman w/ no skill boxes. In EQII I ran from Qeynos to Freeport at level 2. In Vanguard I went all over the place at level 1 (lol). Just to name a few of the MMO's in the last 5 years that I've played. I'm pretty good at steering through aggro.

In LOTRO I went almost everywhere before level 6. It was easy. Again, are you kidding?

I'm talking about how small the SCALE of the world is. Scale!

Also, the characters look childish when they run. The animations leave a lot to be desired....

I love LOTR as much as the next crusty geek. But it is what it is.

This game was easy to polish because it's tiny. Even with Vanguards faults at least it has massive potential. Only a blind person could not see that. But this is not LOTRO vs. Vanguard. They are different beasts.

GreenHell · February 2007

Originally posted by JonMichael

Originally posted by Nikoz78

I decided to conduct a test to demonstrate how small this Middle Earth really is.

With my level 6 Guardian Man, I ran from the Buckleberry Ferry to the Brandywine Bridge.

In the books this is a distance of 20 MILES between the two. Heck, even an NPC told my at the ferry that the bridge was "20 miles to the North."

So how long did it take me to run from the Buckleberry Ferry to the Brandywine Bridge?

67 seconds.

All I can say is what a HUGE letdown.

I worship LOTR. Grew up with the books + the Hobbit, watched the three animated versions a hundred times as a kid and fell in love with Peter Jackson's live-action film interpretations.

I am both a MMORPG geek and huge LOTR nerd.

I should love this game. And I almost DO. But once again Turbine has butchered an epic IP (see also: D&D Online).

The world is chock-full of zones and instances. And I mean SATURATED with them. Takes you right out of the game before you even get into it.

Because of the tiny (puny, even) world and a gazillion zones, there is almost ZERO sense of grand adventure. And what is LOTR without that?

The game is very well made. I'll give it that. Very polished. And the devs are trying to show some integrity and stay true to Tolkien's vision by allowing less-than-PC content (smoking!).

But their (obviously) hard work and attention to certain detail is wasted by the flawed world design. It does not matter how many neat little gimmicks are present in the game.

The scale of the world is: 20 miles = 67 seconds of running.

Yeah, 'epic.'

Level 6?? ROFLMAO!

That right there gives your post NO credibility. How would you know about how big the world is when you're level SIX? You haven't even seen half of the world yet, but you base the size on running from one place to the other?

Bah!

LMAO because he is level 6 he has no credibility. Well what level do you have to be to run from point A to point B and time it? In the game it says that there are 20 miles between the 2. It took him 67 seconds to make this run of 20 miles. That is what he is basing his opinion on. Maybe people with LOTR avatars should have no credibility due to their obvious bias towards the game.

JonMichael · February 2007

Originally posted by Nikoz78

Originally posted by virtuella

No it has not a gazzilion zones like you say.

It has 9 zones within Eriador,get your facts straight.

Did you even try to explore the world at all or did you just run around with a level 10 nuub character in a newbie zone?

The world is somewhat small but if you took all 9 zones and placed in a line it will take you good 2 hours to run West/east.

Umm... even a lot of buildings are instanced. Those are zone too. You must be kidding. There is very little shared environment.

Actually, when ever I start a new MMO I find great joy trying to make it to all the areas at low level.

In SWG I went all around Endor as a Novice Marksman w/ no skill boxes. In EQII I ran from Qeynos to Freeport at level 2. In Vanguard I went all over the place at level 1 (lol). Just to name a few of the MMO's in the last 5 years that I've played. I'm pretty good at steering through aggro.

In LOTRO I went almost everywhere before level 6. It was easy. Again, are you kidding?

I'm talking about how small the SCALE of the world is. Scale!

Also, the characters look childish when they run. The animations leave a lot to be desired....

I love LOTR as much as the next crusty geek. But it is what it is.

This game was easy to polish because it's tiny. Even with Vanguards faults at least it has massive potential. Only a blind person could not see that. But this is not LOTRO vs. Vanguard. They are different beasts.

Impossible to go everywhere in game at level 6.

Your comments in this post have further proved that you are not here to comment on the game itself. You're a TROLL, sir.

virtuella · February 2007

Originally posted by Nikoz78

In SWG I went all around Endor as a Novice Marksman w/ no skill boxes. In EQII I ran from Qeynos to Freeport at level 2. In Vanguard I went all over the place at level 1 (lol). Just to name a few of the MMO's in the last 5 years that I've played. I'm pretty good at steering through aggro.

In LOTRO I went almost everywhere before level 6. It was easy. Again, are you kidding?

Have fun steering though aggro on these boards smokeblowing troll.

JonMichael · February 2007

Originally posted by GreenHell

Originally posted by JonMichael

Originally posted by Nikoz78

I decided to conduct a test to demonstrate how small this Middle Earth really is.

With my level 6 Guardian Man, I ran from the Buckleberry Ferry to the Brandywine Bridge.

In the books this is a distance of 20 MILES between the two. Heck, even an NPC told my at the ferry that the bridge was "20 miles to the North."

So how long did it take me to run from the Buckleberry Ferry to the Brandywine Bridge?

67 seconds.

All I can say is what a HUGE letdown.

I worship LOTR. Grew up with the books + the Hobbit, watched the three animated versions a hundred times as a kid and fell in love with Peter Jackson's live-action film interpretations.

I am both a MMORPG geek and huge LOTR nerd.

I should love this game. And I almost DO. But once again Turbine has butchered an epic IP (see also: D&D Online).

The world is chock-full of zones and instances. And I mean SATURATED with them. Takes you right out of the game before you even get into it.

Because of the tiny (puny, even) world and a gazillion zones, there is almost ZERO sense of grand adventure. And what is LOTR without that?

The game is very well made. I'll give it that. Very polished. And the devs are trying to show some integrity and stay true to Tolkien's vision by allowing less-than-PC content (smoking!).

But their (obviously) hard work and attention to certain detail is wasted by the flawed world design. It does not matter how many neat little gimmicks are present in the game.

The scale of the world is: 20 miles = 67 seconds of running.

Yeah, 'epic.'

Level 6?? ROFLMAO!

That right there gives your post NO credibility. How would you know about how big the world is when you're level SIX? You haven't even seen half of the world yet, but you base the size on running from one place to the other?

Bah!

LMAO because he is level 6 he has no credibility. Well what level do you have to be to run from point A to point B and time it? In the game it says that there are 20 miles between the 2. It took him 67 seconds to make this run of 20 miles. That is what he is basing his opinion on. Maybe people with LOTR avatars should have no credibility due to their obvious bias towards the game.

You can't base the size of the game on one run at a level where you'd be dead if you adventured into 3/4 of the world.

Understand now?

No credibility

Terminus-Est · February 2007

Originally posted by GreenHell

LMAO because he is level 6 he has no credibility.

If you actually read the post you quoted, he says that his post has no credibility. This is absolutely correct. The post claimed that he had run everywhere by level 6. That is impossible to do, so the post has no credibility.

dumper49 · February 2007

at lvl 7 i ran from hobbit town to bree collecting wood all mobs where purple and red to me .... no aggro so from that experiance i say its possible lotro is not what its all "cracked" up to be and i have no i dea what u guys mean by polished?? (polished agate maybe?) seems to be a ton of little bugs to me! its a bargain bin game imo (flare away) !!!

tbarney · February 2007

You probably should not buy this game if you hate it as much as you do.

Have fun where ever you go !

Kyleran · February 2007

Whew...fanbois back off please. The OP was stating an opinion, many of you refuted it. No need for the name-calling and hatred. By many accounts the gameworld is "somewhat" smaller but has plenty of room to grow.... which I'm sure it will......also, others have posted that there is quite a bit of instanced content...not really a lie then....more of a fact....and not a troll.

Torak · February 2007

Man..................its been weeks and you guys are STILL arguing over this????

Give Vanguard a try....I hear they have a HUGE epeen.......err world..........not so sure about the performance though

Tazehale · February 2007

Um what do you expect with a post asking for a fight like "PROOF LOOK HOW SMALL THE WORLD IS" then absolutely nothing credible to back it up, of course people are going to take the troll bait..

Nikoz78 · February 2007

Originally posted by JonMichael

Impossible to go everywhere in game at level 6. Your comments in this post have further proved that you are not here to comment on the game itself. You're a TROLL, sir.

Um, ok.

Well, judging by comments like this and especially the one below his - it's going to be a WoW community.

I DID run everywhere and did not die a single time. What is so hard about steering through aggro.

What has no credibility are these negative comments - you expose yourselves as biased. Whereas I point out some positives.

I come from MMO's like UO, EverQuest, Pre-CU SWG and now Vanguard. You will never understand where gamers like me are coming from.

And at least I'm friendly and act mature. Emotional much?

Also, don't make me laugh with insinuating that this game is 'challenging.' You could be a level 50 and that would not mean squat.

It's an easy-mode game designed to appeal to the masses. Kinda like pop-music.

Nikoz78 · February 2007

Originally posted by Tazehale

Um what do you expect with a post asking for a fight like "PROOF LOOK HOW SMALL THE WORLD IS" then absolutely nothing credible to back it up, of course people are going to take the troll bait..

Where rose-colored glasses much?

How did you misunderstand the point of my post? I don't need 'cred' to prove that the scale of LOTRO is tiny. It's right there is front of you.

And I just proved it flat out for people who have never played the game.

20 miles = 67 seconds. Point made. The scale is very small.

Now what? Are you going to call me names?

Grow some hair on your chest.

GreenHell · February 2007

Originally posted by JonMichael

Originally posted by GreenHell

Originally posted by JonMichael

Originally posted by Nikoz78

I decided to conduct a test to demonstrate how small this Middle Earth really is.

With my level 6 Guardian Man, I ran from the Buckleberry Ferry to the Brandywine Bridge.

In the books this is a distance of 20 MILES between the two. Heck, even an NPC told my at the ferry that the bridge was "20 miles to the North."

So how long did it take me to run from the Buckleberry Ferry to the Brandywine Bridge?

67 seconds.

All I can say is what a HUGE letdown.

I worship LOTR. Grew up with the books + the Hobbit, watched the three animated versions a hundred times as a kid and fell in love with Peter Jackson's live-action film interpretations.

I am both a MMORPG geek and huge LOTR nerd.

I should love this game. And I almost DO. But once again Turbine has butchered an epic IP (see also: D&D Online).

The world is chock-full of zones and instances. And I mean SATURATED with them. Takes you right out of the game before you even get into it.

Because of the tiny (puny, even) world and a gazillion zones, there is almost ZERO sense of grand adventure. And what is LOTR without that?

The game is very well made. I'll give it that. Very polished. And the devs are trying to show some integrity and stay true to Tolkien's vision by allowing less-than-PC content (smoking!).

But their (obviously) hard work and attention to certain detail is wasted by the flawed world design. It does not matter how many neat little gimmicks are present in the game.

The scale of the world is: 20 miles = 67 seconds of running.

Yeah, 'epic.'

Level 6?? ROFLMAO!

That right there gives your post NO credibility. How would you know about how big the world is when you're level SIX? You haven't even seen half of the world yet, but you base the size on running from one place to the other?

Bah!

LMAO because he is level 6 he has no credibility. Well what level do you have to be to run from point A to point B and time it? In the game it says that there are 20 miles between the 2. It took him 67 seconds to make this run of 20 miles. That is what he is basing his opinion on. Maybe people with LOTR avatars should have no credibility due to their obvious bias towards the game.

You can't base the size of the game on one run at a level where you'd be dead if you adventured into 3/4 of the world.

Understand now?

No credibility

Well if he can look at a map and see the distance between point A and point B would that distance not be the same on any map in the game or is it just this particular 20 miles that takes 67 seconds to traverse? Iis there another 20 miles that takes longer taking in to consideration the route that must be taken? Last time i checked a map the distances are always the same. Now Im not talking it taking longer due to mob agro or the road twisting and turning many times. If it took him 67 seconds to go that imaginary 20 miles however many inches that was now equals around 20 miles. Unless like I said before that 20 miles is special somehow.

virtuella · February 2007

Originally posted by Nikoz78

I DID run everywhere and did not die a single time. What is so hard about steering through aggro.

I smell a big fat lie if your talking about your level 6.

There is no way you could explore The old forest or great barrows with your level 6.

Certain narrow areas like for example the south/east end of north downs leading up to Angmar can't be crossed with your level 6 character without it beeing jumped in an instant by elite giants and wolves

Further up in the north/east end of northdowns before Angmar it's even harder to pass through narrow areas even with level 20+ characters that is running for their lifes.

No way you can run to Angmar with your level 6 unless you had help and someone cleared the area for you.

What's the saying?

Liar liar pants on fire!

Cabe2323 · February 2007

The world is currently is 50,000,000 sq meters. Which isn't extremely large, but it has the potential to be huge.

Eriador is all that is currently open. Here is a copy of just the North west part of Middle Earth. The world doesnt seem so small knowing they will be adding all of this into the game and more.

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