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Question on Vanguard
maguskwt
Member Posts: 17
Hi guys
I would like to know what you guys think about Vanguard since I'm thinking about whether to get it or not. Firstly my experience with MMORPG is basically Guild Wars. Yeah I know some of you won't consider it a true MMORPG. Nevertheless I enjoyed my time playing Guild Wars. One of the aspects I like about it is the graphics and animation as well as the skill-based concept. However there were shortcomings, basically, the role-playing aspect is very weak as well as the ability to customize your character is very limited. I would like to play a bit more deeper MMORPG with a better role-playing quality since I really enjoyed single player games like the Baldur's Gate Series. I have been checking out Vanguard and at first I liked it alot with the high-fantasy theme and alot of classes/professions. However I'm a bit disappointed with the look of it. The animations seem to be very unrealistic as well as the character models are not very convincing. To me graphics and style is also very important as it plays a vital role in your role playing experience and immersion. And I heard that you really need very high end specs to play it at full setting which makes me a bit confused because Guild Wars graphics and animations seem to be so much better than Vanguard and you only need a mid-end PC for it. I know I seem to be asking abit too much but that what happens when you have to pay money I guess...you expect the best. So can you guys help me out and tell me what's so good about Vanguard so that i can make my decision whether to get it or not. You could also suggest an alternative game.
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In Vanguard, their is no instancing - all players share the same overland and underground space, and the entire world is seamless, a la WoW (again, the Guild Wars universe was comprised of zones to accommodate players).
These are two big reasons why the game purportedly has such steep requirements.
As for the animations and artwork, I tend to agree with you.
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I certainly wouldn't reccommend the game to casual players though.
The only other thing I am playing right now is Lord of the Rings Online, but that is still in closed beta, so you may have trouble getting in. It is very impressive, but is definitely a 'casual' game that you don't need hours at a time to play effectively (I don't know whether this is a pro or a con for you).
Thanks for the comments and suggestions guys...
I'm a not-too-casual-not-too-hardcore player I guess. I probably would spend about 2 hours a day 5 days a week if I like the game. And I do go to forums to learn more about a game. However I don't really do what hardcore players do like coming up with a uber complicated build (in GW) and I don't like grinding and farming as well. However if the game is too shallow it pisses me off too. I prefer a game that has alot of aspects to explore. For GW it is quite sophisticated in the skill-based system however for PvE it is very much shallow. And I also like interacting and playing with other players as opposed to solo-ing cause i think that's what mmorpg is about.
I am quite a fan of LOTR and its lore so I will be waiting to see how that game turns out. However I feel that the game should've taken place after the events in the LOTR books just so the storyline can be alot more flexible and as far as what I've read from the the official website the character classes doesn't seem very attractive to me.
As for WoW I don't think I'll be playing it mainly because of the art style
. Sorry I'm a bit shallow but I just don't like the cartoonish art. That's why I picked GW instead of WoW and that's why I probably won't play Warhammer also. Age of Conan looks interesting to me but i don't know how deep it can be also. So I guess I should wait a few months and see which games turn out how.
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Played: Age of Conan, DDO, Saga of Ryzom, SWG, DaOC, MxO, EQ2, and so on...
Wish List: Jumpgate Evolution, Star Wars: TOR, Star Trek
Your post was proberly a little insulting, and some of your views are wrong about why people do not like Vanguard. The poster is free to express what games he likes and what games he does not like as much as he wants don't try to make out like he is doing something wrong.
I have been playing VSoH and LotRO over the past weeks, I have come to my conclusion what I will do in the near future (unsubscribe from VSoH and pre-order LotRO for those who would like to know) and I stand by my decision. As good of a game VSoH is, it has many flaws and I have many personal problems with the game... and no it has absolutely nothing to do with SOE, if I held grudges against companys, I wouldn't be touching LotRO that's for sure.
My main problems with Vanguard are:
There were alot of things I loved, but the flaws just far outweighed them....
I am just in love with LotRO right now, for many reasons, basically the graphics apeal to me, the lore, the setting, the PvP, the quests, the fact I never feel like I am doing a job rather than playing a game (because after all if I wanted to work in my spare time, I would go work and get paid for it, not the other way around), everything in LotRO apeals to me and I am really glad that I feel I have found myself the perfect mmo...
All things in this world get positive and negative responses and yes there are many bias/stupid/rediculous opinions on this website, I wouldn't recommend this website for decent opinions at all, Guild Wars near the top of the ranks??? There are many people on this website however I respect, so don't get me wrong....
Next time you post though, try and leave out the smartass attitude if you want to be taken seriously and want to promote the game you enjoy the most.....
Currently Playing: Everything but MMORPGs
Cancelled: L2, FFXI, VSoH, LotRO, WAR, WoW
Looking Forward To: SW:TOR
Your post was proberly a little insulting, and some of your views are wrong about why people do not like Vanguard. The poster is free to express what games he likes and what games he does not like as much as he wants don't try to make out like he is doing something wrong.
I have been playing VSoH and LotRO over the past weeks, I have come to my conclusion what I will do in the near future (unsubscribe from VSoH and pre-order LotRO for those who would like to know) and I stand by my decision. As good of a game VSoH is, it has many flaws and I have many personal problems with the game... and no it has absolutely nothing to do with SOE, if I held grudges against companys, I wouldn't be touching LotRO that's for sure.
My main problems with Vanguard are:
There were alot of things I loved, but the flaws just far outweighed them....
I am just in love with LotRO right now, for many reasons, basically the graphics apeal to me, the lore, the setting, the PvP, the quests, the fact I never feel like I am doing a job rather than playing a game (because after all if I wanted to work in my spare time, I would go work and get paid for it, not the other way around), everything in LotRO apeals to me and I am really glad that I feel I have found myself the perfect mmo...
All things in this world get positive and negative responses and yes there are many bias/stupid/rediculous opinions on this website, I wouldn't recommend this website for decent opinions at all, Guild Wars near the top of the ranks??? There are many people on this website however I respect, so don't get me wrong....
Next time you post though, try and leave out the smartass attitude if you want to be taken seriously and want to promote the game you enjoy the most.....
QFT. I couldn't have put this better myself.
Life of an MMORPG "addict"
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Your post was proberly a little insulting, and some of your views are wrong about why people do not like Vanguard. The poster is free to express what games he likes and what games he does not like as much as he wants don't try to make out like he is doing something wrong.
I have been playing VSoH and LotRO over the past weeks, I have come to my conclusion what I will do in the near future (unsubscribe from VSoH and pre-order LotRO for those who would like to know) and I stand by my decision. As good of a game VSoH is, it has many flaws and I have many personal problems with the game... and no it has absolutely nothing to do with SOE, if I held grudges against companys, I wouldn't be touching LotRO that's for sure.
My main problems with Vanguard are:
There were alot of things I loved, but the flaws just far outweighed them....
I am just in love with LotRO right now, for many reasons, basically the graphics apeal to me, the lore, the setting, the PvP, the quests, the fact I never feel like I am doing a job rather than playing a game (because after all if I wanted to work in my spare time, I would go work and get paid for it, not the other way around), everything in LotRO apeals to me and I am really glad that I feel I have found myself the perfect mmo...
Exactly the game obviously wasn't created with your gaming needs in mind. It appears that LotRO is a game which has been created for the market which your needs are placed.
All things in this world get positive and negative responses and yes there are many bias/stupid/rediculous opinions on this website, I wouldn't recommend this website for decent opinions at all, Guild Wars near the top of the ranks??? There are many people on this website however I respect, so don't get me wrong....
Yes, but lets at least have some discussion about the issues. Just saying "X game is rubbish" doesn't really help. And lets be honest the post i replied to stated that they weren't able to play the game [ even though their spec was actually ok, and alot better than others that i personally know, and i certain can see that others that play on the web and have ok performance with worse specs - simply by reading a few forums other than this one ] yet was able to base an opinion on the game in it's entirety. Surely the correct "review" would of been: "Well due to some technicalities i wasn't actually able to play the game, so there-fore i have no opinion on the actual game, but found it frustrating that my machine wasn't able to play it - either due to the actual software or something on my machine". ?
Next time you post though, try and leave out the smartass attitude if you want to be taken seriously and want to promote the game you enjoy the most.....
Actually, i'm not trying to promote it. In this post, i actually tried to get the OP to try WoW and EQ2 first. What i'm trying to get across is a) the hate for this game is pathetic and b) people are unwilling to attempt to put in any details to their reviews.
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Vanguard blows cold smelly chunks.
Good things about Vanguard.
You're talking either complete cack or you simply are unable to press the "options" button and spend 2 mins tuning the graphics. You have a much better system than mine, yet with some tweaking i can get the game to run very well and look pretty decent.
Come on Barf, at least read the post you are replying to before attacking it. I actually bought Vanguard, so obviously I was hoping to enjoy it. I did not approach it with a negative attitude and tried everything to make it work. I defragged, tweaked the ini file, read all the performance guides on the web, and even freed up 50GB space on my hard drive for extra swap space, and still couldn't get it to run satisfactoraly. So either you are lying, or you have very low standards of 'decent'. Decent for me would have been a consistant 20fps.
What do you mean? You just said "you couldn't get it to run reasonably". How can you make an opinion based on that fact that you couldn't get it to run? Honestly that doesnt make any sense.
Use your brain, Barf. I could still play the game - well enough to form an opinion, just not well enough for satisfaction.
Again, a little confused. You weren't able to get the game to run,. Was this on the highest settings? or the lowest? Reading your post i would have to assume that the impressions of the game you had whilst you are able to play it, where when the settings were turned right down - if so then what do you expect? And again - it wasn't able to run for you - but you were able to form an opinion on the game "if you had managed to get it to run".
As I said in my original post, "I couldn't get it to run reasonably even on lowest settings". Lowest settings only changes the graphics - not the game dynamics. If I want to look at the graphics, I could turn the quality up to maximum, and be unimpressed at 3fps.
Ah-ha - i should of realised that this is a post to bash a game whilst to try to promote the game you currently like.
The OP did ask for people's recommendations of other games, so I gave it. I am not paid by Turbine; I have nothing to gain from praising LOTRO ; it is just my opinion. Likewise, EQ2, a SOE game, has been my favourite MMORPG to date, so I certainly have nothing against SOE.
For that matter, I can play EQ2 nice and smoothly (beyond 'reasonably') with all the settings on max.
I play wirh a 3200 AMD, same graphics card are you 1 GB of ram and an onboard sound card. And as mentioned i can play with zero issues. Which is why i just cannot understand how people are unable to play with a better system. I get 40 - 60 FPS outside solo and 30FPS in a group in a dungeon.
All i saw as "VG doesn't perform for me there-fore it's sh!te and cannot recommend it"
What was it about the game-dymantics which was unplayable for you?
Open up, explore the issues, discuss them. You might find people have solutions to your issues.
And how long did you play for - what level did you reach? Add these things in, and straight away people can judge whether your opinion is relevent to then or not.
Again, my reply was harsh and out of order. I'm sorry.
Lengthy descriptions and responses usually go unread. Even I usually don't read something more then 2 paragraphs. However, your response was pretty honest. I am not sure though if you have quite the experience I had at the very wide array of mmos out there.
I'll respond on a few points pretty indepth though.
The Design is pretty bland.
On artistic design. The colors used in the whole of this game are a light tan used for sand(Pantone 406 M), a gray used for rocks and some walls (Pantone 431 M), a thick and saturated brown used in every city(Pantone 4625 M), evergreen(Pantone 350 M), purple(Pantone 2726 C) and blue in the sky(Pantone Reflex Blue C), and a halo-ish blue used in drapery and etheral flames(Pantone 2975 C).
Also the building lack any sort of dirt which completely ruins the realistic look they were going for. More on this later. The buildings also aren't built for gameplay. They seemed to be proportioned realistically which causes a cramping effect where it is hard to look around in a room and click some key objects.
On Game Design. The basic gameplay is still just like any other mmo's gameplay. The only difference is they ignored what wow brought to the table. You got corpse running, Point/Click and stand till monster keels over, and tank/DPS/Heal party setup meaning anyone who isn't the best specialist class in any of the 3 will have a hard time forming a party and be restricted from 80% of the game.
The Combat itself is very slow. Sure you have reactions but in effect it doesn't really altar what the player is doing anyway. The only difference is that this skill pops up instead of it recharging before use. You just click and sit until you can use the skills you use all the time and use them. Linked with the poor animation and it makes you wanna go to sleep. I should add that into the good points about the game. The combat is a sedative. Compared to Korean counterparts; sure your grinding but atleast the combat is interesting to watch. Also compared to the new wave of Korean Games, the combat doesn't even come close to comparing.
On customization. When I look straight at customization its more then just how many sliders you have at the creation screen. Its the whole package of what affects your players look from beginning to end game. Most of what is in the character creation sliders only affects the face. In reality its very rare that other people will notice the fine details a person put into the look of thier characters face. The things they will notice are large body proportions; drastic changes in facial structure; and Hair. When it comes to these 3 the actual noticable differences the starting customization is very limited, and the increase in different settings also puts an unneeded additional strain on the machine.
Aside from this when you level up you have 4 different visual appearances which is a nice touch; however the change in appearance when you level these up is very negligible. A diplomat always looks like other diplomats, a crafter looks like every crafter, even the adventuring class uses the same base armor texture but floods the color a different way when you get to a high enough level. At the same level your looking at such a lack of variety in clothing that every heavy armor looks alike, every medium armor is the same, and every light armor has the same threads. Sure not alot of games really touched on this; but the few that have a large variety of clothing show it.
When I mean an incomplete world I don't mean 40+, I mean going by ship to the one stone port where ship building is; you easily find misplaced assets, assets with holes, and teleporters that don't work. This is level 7. Also when you explore off the road a little in the 20+ zones you find a sheer lack of mob spawns.
On the incompletness of game functions. When was level 25 high? On any released game it should be complete to atleast 2/3rds its level cap. Is the level cap 40? If it is then the adventuring is complete enough. When I played around with crafting, diplomacy, and gathering. I found I hit a stop in content for all 3 combined in less then 1 day. Diplomacy is awesome though.
On world design. It is just horrific. The conventions of making a realistic world were completely thrown out the window. No foundations,clean models with no dirt/grime, trees in roads, monster camping at lvl. 1, and monsters spawning on roads but not deeper in the wilderness. A good world designer has an eye for architecture, interior design, volume sense, pathing, and digital painting. I really didn't see any of this come to light in the game. Realistically, I haven't seen a single structure in Vanguard that should still be standing.
The community is pretty cut-throat compared to any social mmo; Second Life, and A Tale in the Desert to name a few. Also its more cut-throat then casual games like Albatross 18. In some cases its even more cutthroat then hardcore FPS clans. I mean sure WoW is immature; but most of the time they don't attack a person opinion. They might disagree, but not totally attack the person's persona or credibility. I mean if in Vanguard, I say; its kinda a long run to the next city in pub channel. I immedietly get called an idiot and have people saying the the run is so short compared to WoW; people telling be to go back to wow, and so on. Then when you post a bad experience on an mmo board, even if I post in the SWG board about something bad in vanguard; Its very possible to get a vanboy in there flaming your opinion.
I play wirh a 3200 AMD, same graphics card are you 1 GB of ram and an onboard sound card. And as mentioned i can play with zero issues. Which is why i just cannot understand how people are unable to play with a better system. I get 40 - 60 FPS outside solo and 30FPS in a group in a dungeon.
All i saw as "VG doesn't perform for me there-fore it's sh!te and cannot recommend it"
What was it about the game-dymantics which was unplayable for you?
Open up, explore the issues, discuss them. You might find people have solutions to your issues.
And how long did you play for - what level did you reach? Add these things in, and straight away people can judge whether your opinion is relevent to then or not.
Again, my reply was harsh and out of order. I'm sorry.
Unless you can pull a 'Vanguard stop sucking' stick out of your pompous ass I don't think you'll be able to help me or anyone.
Since when is "VG doesn't perform for me there-fore it's sh!te and cannot recommend it" invalid? Vanguard doesn't perform well for me either and I spent a cubic ton of cash on my PC (last year, oh no!!!).
No one who posts here owes you or anyone else an explanation for anything they say, ever. You can take that thought and stuff it.
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i would recommend vanguard if your system can handle it
i found it to be an extremely fun game and i am casual to the max. It has good lore, classes, races, areas, and i have no hope of ever getting to max level (which holds true in most games i play) so slow leveling isnt really an issue for me.
overall i tihnk it is a great game which is worth a look.
I play wirh a 3200 AMD, same graphics card are you 1 GB of ram and an onboard sound card. And as mentioned i can play with zero issues. Which is why i just cannot understand how people are unable to play with a better system. I get 40 - 60 FPS outside solo and 30FPS in a group in a dungeon.
All i saw as "VG doesn't perform for me there-fore it's sh!te and cannot recommend it"
What was it about the game-dymantics which was unplayable for you?
Open up, explore the issues, discuss them. You might find people have solutions to your issues.
And how long did you play for - what level did you reach? Add these things in, and straight away people can judge whether your opinion is relevent to then or not.
Again, my reply was harsh and out of order. I'm sorry.
Unless you can pull a 'Vanguard stop sucking' stick out of your pompous ass I don't think you'll be able to help me or anyone.
Since when is "VG doesn't perform for me there-fore it's sh!te and cannot recommend it" invalid? Vanguard doesn't perform well for me either and I spent a cubic ton of cash on my PC (last year, oh no!!!).
No one who posts here owes you or anyone else an explanation for anything they say, ever. You can take that thought and stuff it.
Befpre i go to bed, i just want to say one thing and thats - simply grow up - my post wasn't directed at you. Don't like what i have to say regarding the matter in question then leave it alone.
And you know what - this is a MMORPG site, it's amazing that someone would get so emotional about such a subject matter......
Seriously, your reply was pathetic.
Night.
I played in the UO beta - had to pay to get the disks shipped to me - thank you for your review. Seriously, reviews like that could get the MMORPG sh!t started again.
Cheers.
Frankly, it's people like you that give Vanguard a bad name.
When you wake up tomorrow maybe you can answer for me a question "Do trolls dream of hot, lesbian, trolls?"
Life of an MMORPG "addict"
For 7 years, proving that if you quote "fuck" you won't get banned.
I'd recommend trying it on a buddy pass if you can find one.
Don't buy a game if an opportunity exists to free trial it.
The warnings are true, it is buggy, and it does require a better than average rig.
As for the game itself, it's very similar to WoW in gameplay and progression, but without the comic look.
It has housing and boats Similar to UO, which is a plus.
It has diplomacy which in time can alter game content and make it a more interesting and diverse game.
It is a game geared more for Roleplayers despite it's claims of being all inclusive.
Community is questionable, some good and bad, but overall probably more mature than usual.
Bottom line, the game needs time and population right now. I'd wait at least six months.
No more Trivial MMO's, let's get serious "again". Make a world, not a game
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