General: Will it Work With Vista?

fenrisblue Member UncommonPosts: 138

February 2007

I really wish this article was around when vista came out,..i had a real hard time finding drivers and such, first off i thought vista was like longhorn and came with both 32 bit and 64 bit on the dvd..i was wrong..but thats what reading is for and we all know what hapens when we assume, then after i put the 32 bit on my pc instead of the 64 i didnt READ all the info that came with the dvd, how was i suposed to know that , what i tohught was an add for something i didnt want was actually info on alternate media? come on,..besides uber geeks who really reads all the stupid little pieces of paper that comes in a box..most of hte time its just crap,..so of course most people didnt read that stuff,..mind you i am talking about day 1, then after a weak i got the 64 bit dvd in the mail and proceded to try to put that on my pc,..geuss what? my dvd didnt work!!!,...and no dvd worked on vista..i was bafled, it is a yamakawa dvd player(a what ? you say ) yes thats right it doesnt have a web site hte phone number is to a japanese landline, adn the email starts with sales, never good,..so after a couple more days i gave up and tries a clean install,..thank god that actually works and now my dvd player works,...but 2 of my harddrives do not work..whatever i have 200 gigs on my master ill just deal with it....now my sound doesnt work,..WTF...i almost cry..i went to BFG(my motherboars)website to look for the drivers...go to nvidia? ok i go to Nvidia..nope those drivers do not make my saound card work..well what kind of sound card is on the motherboard,..i looked at the box my mother board came in...nope i dont see anything about the name..wel;l ill call bfg..i am sure theyll be helpfull....nope they are idiots..they told me that the sound card on the Nforce 4 ultra doesnt have a name and htat they dont start putting sound cards on the motherboard that have names till later models,..umm ok whatever, your no help..contact nvidia...no responce...my brother says its a realtek and he has another brand motehrboard and sends me to there site...nope the drivers wont install,..whatever mmorpgs dont really need sound..so i play like that for a few days..waiting for nvidia to reply to my email..nope they dont and still havnt,..so i tried to turn it off in bios and to see if i can trick it into working (no i have no real working knowledge of computers,..just neough to make it go BOOOM) that when isaw the name of my soundcard...ac97 OMFGIH, so i went on the hunt for the realtek ac97 vista drivers...and when i finaly had the info i needed i got the sound card to work ...sorta...lots of stuff needs to be worked out ,..but hell who needed that 500 k of ram anyways ? LOL jk...at any rate i got used to my eyes bleeding ....hopefully this wil lall work itself out ,..like a virus ...or a sliver thats too deep ...

Devil21 Member Posts: 74

February 2007

Nice. Jeremy, please do reviews more often. Thats the way they should be.

donovon Member Posts: 3

February 2007

Thanks for the info.

I was on the fence about getting Vanguard, but hearing it has difficulties with Vista tells me I'd best follow the advice I didn't follow when I got Vista in the first place... don't.

To add to the list of MMO class games that sort-of work,

Albatross 18 (yea I play MMO Golf) works well with current video drivers but mutes all audio under WinVista (game audio and other audio). Creative X-Fi customers have a solution with ALchemy. While ALchemy did not recognise Albatross18 when I ran it, copying the dsound dll and ini files from the alchemy directory directly to the game's program directory purportedly works.

The folks running A18 have posted in their support forums this will be fixed in a patch soon.

Second Life doesn't seem to like Vista much either. My experience consisted of the game loading to a black screen. New drivers upgraded the experience to a black screen that would occasionally flash the game world for a few seconds with limited input responsiveness. I've read a few suggestions, currently though the community seems to have a mixed bag of results.

=-Donovon-=

belanth Member Posts: 2

February 2007

I play EVE online, which runs without a hitch on Vista (at least on my machine.) After noting that there was some additional lag compared to running on XP, I took a look at the compatability tab. There is an option called 'Disable Desktop Compositing' that disables Aero during the operation of the game. I activated that (leaveing the game in Vista mode otherwise) and my framerate returned to normal.

Second Life also seems to work fine in Vista, as long as you disable desktop compositing.

I still get stereo sound, of course.

It seems to me most of the bottleneck is that Aero takes of graphics memory to run, and doesn't drop out when a full screen game is running.

Mark701 Member Posts: 108

February 2007

Everone who is stressing about Vista, forget about it. I read an article last week (sorry can't find the link) that indicated that our friends at MS are already developing ANOTHER operating system codename VIENNA. If this is true Vista, like ME is a transitional OS to make MS loads of dough until they can get the REAL OS out.

Devil21 Member Posts: 74

February 2007

Originally posted by Mark701

Everone who is stressing about Vista, forget about it. I read an article last week (sorry can't find the link) that indicated that our friends at MS are already developing ANOTHER operating system codename VIENNA. If this is true Vista, like ME is a transitional OS to make MS loads of dough until they can get the REAL OS out.

Where do you find this article?

hierodule Member Posts: 9

February 2007

First, not exactly "news." If you Google Vienna+Microsoft, make sure to have a bottle of whiskey close by.

Vienna mentioned LAST year on CNet:

http://news.com.com/Microsoft+looks+beyond+Vista,+sees+Vienna/2100-1016_3-6029241.html

More recently on PC World (as of Feb 9):

http://www.pcworld.com/article/id,128888-c,vistalonghorn/article.html

Recenty on ZDNet:

http://blogs.zdnet.com/microsoft/?p=253

That's enough links to get started... you guys are good enough to Google the rest on your own, and there are lots of links.

I'm normally on the group that says to wait until Vista becomes more robust. I want Vista, but what's happening is basically old Win95/WinXP-debut history repeating itself... once the dust settles I'll take the plunge. However, this Vienna thing worries me. In 2009? Only 2 years? I'm all for (so-called) "progress" and all that hype but, is Vista then another Windows ME? Don't know whether to laugh or cry on this one

Maybe it's still to early to reach any conclusions, I don't know. But with the little I know of Microsoft's track record, this is not giving me a pleasant aftertaste, to say the least.

mbblade Member Posts: 747

February 2007

Well since XP didn't work with jack crap when it was released and took awhile for it to be compatible i would say the same for Vista.

virtualex Member Posts: 6

February 2007

Well, what can I say? I bought a new PC and it has Vista Ultimate installed. (If you think about buying Vista, get an oem version, which can be sold seperately now... and dont let them tell you otherwise!). The only thing that doesn't work for me under Vista is my WLAN Stick. But I can live with that.

Games. Let me put it this way: WoW never ran better, it's smooth, it's flashy and it sounds great. I do have to say, that the occasional crash still occurs, but I point that finger toward the game itself.

Vanguard: I tell you what: if you try to run Vanguard on a weak system, then it's no wonder you'll have a bad game experience. it states clearly on the box that this is a next gen game and you should use a next gen comp to play it on. It runs great as long as no "disturbances" occur... like a messenger prog that's running in the background and pops up with a message, crashing the game immediately ^^ Vanguard is an excellent game and people will buy faster systems over time... it's just the way things go... and by the end of summer, when the days are getting colder again, they'll have most of the bugs cleared out and a shiny new world awaits.

Whoever is looking for something more "adult" in mmorgp than WoW... give Vanguard a try. But don't take a human...that's boring *lol* Have fun, whatever game you play.

Andir Member Posts: 232

February 2007

Originally posted by Veiled_light

Originally posted by LordSlater

Originally posted by Vagelisp

DirectX9 Vs DirectX10

DX9

,

Actually those are accurate pictures and yes Direct X 10 is Vista only its a microsoft tactic to make vista essential in future to everyone.

Nope because them faces were done on DX9 and that flight simulator wasn't done in real time :P Also Halo isn't esactly a good idea of what DX9 can do :P Plus AOC dx9 has had features taken out to make ppl buy DX10

Fact is DX10 doesn't look hardly any better than DX9

...and OpenGL2.0 can do everything DX10 does on Windows XP, Linux, and Mac ... now we just need to get the developers on board ...

Andir Member Posts: 232

February 2007

Not to mention those "screen shots" posted are not actual renders. Those are "Artistic goals" created by artists to guess what it should look like.

http://www.ogre3d.org/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=25487

Daywolf Member Posts: 749

February 2007

I don’t see any reasons right now to worry about gaming on the Vista OS. Most games do not support DX10, so you will still be using DX9 for the most part… yet on a less stable platform. There will be games that take advantage (not that it’s much) of DX10, but there is like what, one video card on the market that supports DX10 on Vista right now? Someone argued with me about how I should use DX10 on my game development project… well yeah if I only want a small percentage of players to be able to actually play it for the next year or two.

XP is just not a viable game platform right now, maybe in a year or two, but just for the sake of playing games it is not worth running out and spending wads of money to upgrade a system to run Vista. It may be the latest, but it’s not the greatest for playing games at least… or having a stable system to develop games with it is not.

yeah, the hype continues...

M59, UO, EQ1, WWIIOL, PS, EnB, SL, SWG. MoM, EQ2, AO, SB, CoH, LOTRO, WoW, DDO+ f2p's, Demos & indie alpha's.

virtualex Member Posts: 6

February 2007

Getting a fast new pc system with a shiny fresh vista playing your favorite game at top speed and grafix is... just... so... damn... rewarding.

Heck, what am i working for so hard all day? A house? A car? No... but it's just about enough for a new machine.

Have no fear of the future.

Domiago Member UncommonPosts: 37

February 2007

Well I had hoped that souping up my TRS80 with the kitchen toaster and a few odds and ends from my dad's old Gremlin would handle Vista

but it looks like it's time to break down and by a whole new system.

What r they costing these days 50? 60 bucks? Hehe

Funny how everytime some earth moving software is released we need to shell out more for the hardware to make it work. God I wish I were Bill Gates on his worst day.

Ariolander Member UncommonPosts: 97

February 2007

Ehhh... After as much as I have read I thinks I will be keeping away from Vista till they get their act together. Maybe in a year or so I might make the move but till then I will play it safe and stick with the tried and true XP. I am a gamer at heart and no matter how cool everything else about vista is I thinks I will waits a bit.

At least I now my Guild Wars works thats a plus. I know I can paly it on that new Vista Laptop I was planning to buy. For now though my desktop is staying XP to play it safe. Guess I will be using my new laptop as a guinea pig...