It's just as liner as any other MMO out there and it's improvements they just picked up and learned from their compeditors. A sound move to bring their small community a good product, but there's still others out there that do it better.
I just can't wait until some true innovation shakes up the top list. Come on true next gen MMOs!
I can think of some examples going the other way, WoW’s new PvP reward system for example. I honestly can’t think of anything major EQ2 has adapted from its competitors. I guess you could say using markers instead of just voiceovers to identify quest NPC’s could qualify, but IMO that’s just one part of the implementation of larger dev philosophy.
There is nothing wrong with using existing design ideas for what you are trying to accomplish, in fact it’s highly recommended as long as you understand why you are using them. Even if what they were trying to accomplish wasn’t to my taste, WoW at release did a great job of this. There is very little in the way of new things but the ones that were used were selected with a purpose. Post release is another story, mechanics and changes seem to have been thrown in haphazardly without purpose, or cross purpose to the original game which has resulted in the discontinuities in game play that bother so many people.
The real reasons why EQ2 has climbed in the rankings is that the dev team has been the poster child for handling ongoing development in a PvE centric game. The have simply done an outstanding job. There are still some things to work on, there is room for more diverse raid encounters, there are places where even more content would be nice, PvP balance and world goals need some work, and as always some classes need tuning, but the work the developers have put in thus far inspires confidence that these will happen.
-Constant addition of new, high quality content
-Responsiveness to fan input without letting the inmates run the asylum.
-zone design
-developing a more EQ1 feel with a more accessible style of game play
-strong dev work at addressing the games flaws without compromising the overall design goals
-focus on a semi-casual style of play that is consistent throughout.
-meaningful accomplishment in a reasonable period of time
- solo, group and raid all content all of reasonably accessible to everyone
-easy to link up with friends
-functional economy, probably as good as you can get outside a sandbox game like EVE.
-strong work on the games mechanics, old and new (the way Achievement xp is handled is a brilliant addition for a PvE game)
-class balance is about as good as any game has ever been, and continues to improve (a prereq for good content design)
It's just as liner as any other MMO out there and it's improvements they just picked up and learned from their compeditors. A sound move to bring their small community a good product, but there's still others out there that do it better.
I just can't wait until some true innovation shakes up the top list. Come on true next gen MMOs!
I can think of some examples going the other way, WoW’s new PvP reward system for example. I honestly can’t think of anything major EQ2 has adapted from its competitors. I guess you could say using markers instead of just voiceovers to identify quest NPC’s could qualify, but IMO that’s just one part of the implementation of larger dev philosophy.
There is nothing wrong with using existing design ideas for what you are trying to accomplish, in fact it’s highly recommended as long as you understand why you are using them. Even if what they were trying to accomplish wasn’t to my taste, WoW at release did a great job of this. There is very little in the way of new things but the ones that were used were selected with a purpose. Post release is another story, mechanics and changes seem to have been thrown in haphazardly without purpose, or cross purpose to the original game which has resulted in the discontinuities in game play that bother so many people.
The real reasons why EQ2 has climbed in the rankings is that the dev team has been the poster child for handling ongoing development in a PvE centric game. The have simply done an outstanding job. There are still some things to work on, there is room for more diverse raid encounters, there are places where even more content would be nice, PvP balance and world goals need some work, and as always some classes need tuning, but the work the developers have put in thus far inspires confidence that these will happen.
-Constant addition of new, high quality content
-Responsiveness to fan input without letting the inmates run the asylum.
-zone design
-developing a more EQ1 feel with a more accessible style of game play
-strong dev work at addressing the games flaws without compromising the overall design goals
-focus on a semi-casual style of play that is consistent throughout.
-meaningful accomplishment in a reasonable period of time
- solo, group and raid all content all of reasonably accessible to everyone
-easy to link up with friends
-functional economy, probably as good as you can get outside a sandbox game like EVE.
-strong work on the games mechanics, old and new (the way Achievement xp is handled is a brilliant addition for a PvE game)
-class balance is about as good as any game has ever been, and continues to improve (a prereq for good content design)
-constant attention to the games quality of life
The Adventure packs and the expansions with SoE's pricing plan, not really that constant in my opinion. The Faydark expansion was a massiver over haul and for 2 years it totalled more actual content than the one zone instances they claimed made their world so large. The zone design? Horrible, that was one of it's weak points and unless they've completely revamped the zones 30+. I'll have to continue to disagree. They were small maps over all with non exciting mob spawn placement.
The game mechanics are as simple as any MMO that was ever created so I can agree with that. Because with a lot of players, less is more. I'm just looking for more control and a bit of a sim feel when designing and playing my character. Character advancement is soooo liner in EQ2 it's painful.
Class balance? Yeah, they all work the same. Even rogues use buffs and mana. The KISS rule was over used in that aspect of EQ2.
I kill other players because they're smarter than AI, sometimes.
The Adventure packs and the expansions with SoE's pricing plan, not really that constant in my opinion. The Faydark expansion was a massiver over haul and for 2 years it totalled more actual content than the one zone instances they claimed made their world so large. The zone design? Horrible, that was one of it's weak points and unless they've completely revamped the zones 30+. I'll have to continue to disagree. They were small maps over all with non exciting mob spawn placement.
The game mechanics are as simple as any MMO that was ever created so I can agree with that. Because with a lot of players, less is more. I'm just looking for more control and a bit of a sim feel when designing and playing my character. Character advancement is soooo liner in EQ2 it's painful.
Class balance? Yeah, they all work the same. Even rogues use buffs and mana. The KISS rule was over used in that aspect of EQ2.
a) EoF was an expansion there is nothing in it that can remotely be considered an “overhaul”. It was certainly larger then the previous expansion because thee feedback they received was that people wanted larger expansions on a 9-12 month timetable rather the 6 month timetable they started with, and were willing to pay more for it.
b) Do you understand the difference between a zone and an instance? Form your text it does no appear that you do. Every MMO on the market uses zones, some attempt to use them seamlessly, others don’t.
c) Liking a zone design is a matter of taste, the primary complaint about the older EQ2 zones had nothing to do with the design it was that they didn’t retain much EQ1.
d) Try makeing it from the entrance of lavastorm to the bottom of Sol eye at appropreate level and tell me EQ2 zones are small lol.
e) The average player manages to finish ~20% of the available quests. That’s not even counting titles, writs, etc. people who want to see most of what’s available at their level need to turn their xp off to do it. With this many decisions to make about what you want to do it’s hard to see how it can be “linear”. Perhaps what you are really trying to say is that it isn’t a sandbox?
f) If you think “all classes are the same” it makes me doubt that you have played the game at all. Every class plays diferently and has very different things it needs to do to be successful.
It's just as liner as any other MMO out there and it's improvements they just picked up and learned from their compeditors.
Who do you think did most of this stuff first, it was EQ1 and EQ2 is the follow up to that great game, so when you say they learned it from there competitors where do you think there competitors learned it to start with.
For me, EQ2 is probably the best boring game ever made.
It's a great game for questers, as long as they don't mind repeating the same quests alot because some of them can be quite competetive.
It's a great game for people who like to customize but who don't mind looking like everyone else.
It's a great game for adventuring, so long as you don't mind finding anything exciting or inspiring.
It's a great game for Raiding, so long as you know it's not all that much fun.
See where I'm going with this, it's a great game, it's just not that great??? It does many things well, just none of them are all that interesting. They went the safe way with almost everything, which means that at first the game is insanely good and lots of fun, over time it fizzles and just seems drawn out and a chore to play.
It lacks any sort of motivation, the story line is completely still and never involves you in what could be the most amazing lore ever made for any game. It's always seemed completely confusing to me that the EQ2 team has this amazing story going on and yet, never do a damn thing with it.
Anyways, IMHO, EQ2 deserves all the kudos it gets, just a shame they never went out of their way to do anything really great with the game.
There is actually a ton of stuff related to both the ongoing story and the events that have transpired in the 500 years since EQ1 it just isn’t spoon fed to you.
In addition to the bits and pieces laying everywhere much of the ongoing story is in the world event, hallmark and signature quest lines. Much of the history is in the Heritage quests, and there is a lot available in the book quests from the qeynos and Freeport library.
Access quests used to play a big role in the ongoing storyline as well, but they ended up simply funneling people towards the more generic content that had no such requirement. It’s one of those ideas that looks better on paper then in practice, but I still miss them in a way.
As an example of ongoing story and lore, almost everything in KoS is set against the backdrop of the rivalry between Nagafen and Harla Dar + Vyemm. Harla Dar and Vyemm have set up Kerafyrm (the sleeper) the first prismatic dragon as a god to the droag and are busy trying to take over Norath and breed improved droag respectively. Kerafyrm himself hasn’t been seen since Luclin exploded, something some people think he was involved in. Nagafen has his own plans for prismatic offspring and is trying to disrupt what Harla Dar and Vyemm have planned so he is assiting adventurers fighting Harla Dar and Vyemm. There are plenty of clues to all of this in game, but you have to do the quests and put the pieces together yourself.
As an example of ongoing story and lore, almost everything in KoS is set against the backdrop of the rivalry between Nagafen and Harla Dar + Vyemm. Harla Dar and Vyemm have set up Kerafyrm (the sleeper) the first prismatic dragon as a god to the droag and are busy trying to take over Norath and breed improved droag respectively. Kerafyrm himself hasn’t been seen since Luclin exploded, something some people think he was involved in. Nagafen has his own plans for prismatic offspring and is trying to disrupt what Harla Dar and Vyemm have planned so he is assiting adventurers fighting Harla Dar and Vyemm. There are plenty of clues to all of this in game, but you have to do the quests and put the pieces together yourself.
No offence but I have 6000+ quests in my journals and a lvl 70 Warden, and while I know what your saying, there are some very well written quests that are very solid, has the story moved forward at all since EQ2's release 2 years ago?
Forego some story changes to add in expansions and adventure packs, GG screwing lore there, how many grand heros have emerged, has freeport gained any ground on Qeynos, has anyone gained anything other then Griffin towards all those months ago? Has anyone, short of raiding accomplishments, done anything of any absolute note?
Has the emperor stepped out and finally declared war? Has Antonica done anything besides preach on endlessly boring her population?
To my knowledge, none of this has happened. I'm not asking for anything to be spoon fed to me but after 2 years if a story does not move forward, it means it's stagnant. That's not good, or bad it just is what it is.
You can call me an idiot as much as you'd like, that fact doesn't change.
No offence but I have 6000+ quests in my journals and a lvl 70 Warden, and while I know what your saying, there are some very well written quests that are very solid, has the story moved forward at all since EQ2's release 2 years ago?
You have completed 6000+ quests? Well you make a few good points but you lost all crediblity saying you completed 6000+ quests. Now you maybe using sarcasm but the post suggests you are trying to presenting facts in an intelligent way. With that said, how is it you have 6000+ quests. The top quester in the game is a character named Quester on the permafrost server with only 3117 quests. So if you exaggerated that number then I figure you are a level 35 warden at best and at best have played only 1 year. By the way who is the emperor? It is Overlord Lucan D'lere. Before you troll a game forum and present silly crap as fact remember, some people actually play the game. You mention we can call you an idiot if we want, I will say it "Idiot".
While I don't believe any of the games would warrant a fee on their own, being able to pay $24.95 for EQ1, EQ2, Vanguard, MxO and SWG (if your a massachist) is just a great dear, whichever way you swing it. SOE has quite literally become the Walmart of the MMORPG industry, the quality of their products sucks but you can't beat the deal. I would have to say though, EQ2 is probably the most mature, refined product they have on the market ATM. I would recommed it before all else in their line up, that's for sure.
If SOE is the Wal-Mart of the industry, then who is the Target? (Marketing geniuses that sell mostly the same crap as Wal-Mart, but somehow make it look "hip" to buy there).
If SOE is the Wal-Mart of the industry, then who is the Target? (Marketing geniuses that sell mostly the same crap as Wal-Mart, but somehow make it look "hip" to buy there).
No offence but I have 6000+ quests in my journals and a lvl 70 Warden, and while I know what your saying, there are some very well written quests that are very solid, has the story moved forward at all since EQ2's release 2 years ago?
You have completed 6000+ quests? Well you make a few good points but you lost all crediblity saying you completed 6000+ quests. Now you maybe using sarcasm but the post suggests you are trying to presenting facts in an intelligent way. With that said, how is it you have 6000+ quests. The top quester in the game is a character named Quester on the permafrost server with only 3117 quests. So if you exaggerated that number then I figure you are a level 35 warden at best and at best have played only 1 year. By the way who is the emperor? It is Overlord Lucan D'lere. Before you troll a game forum and present silly crap as fact remember, some people actually play the game. You mention we can call you an idiot if we want, I will say it "Idiot".
Dang! I really liked the Wal-Mart analogy that Shae made earlier in the thread....but 6000+ quests and an open invitation to call someone an idiot?!! Sorry, I can't refuse...
Just checked mmorpg.com and saw EQ2 sitting at the top of the top 10 list. It is nice to see. I have played just about every mmorpg represented at this site. Many great ones out there but EQ2 tops my list. Good to see people refinding or finding EQ2 for the first time. It took awhile but EQ2 now has the polish that it deserves with EoF expansion. I love that more people are discovering EQ2 dispite the many negative feelings players have with SOE. Go EQ2 Go!
but you see I liked the old eq2. Crafting was hard because it forced you to socialize. Armor matched and looked freaking sweet and it looks battle worn. The zoning everywhere sucks though even if you have a good computer. it was hard to pull off HO with a pickup group but it felt so good to actually get a nice chain off. Dunno I haven't played EOF yet so I don't know what you guys are talking about but I am sure I am not the only one who finds it hard to come back after they revamped the whole game. Get it right the first time and to you other MMO dev making games for this coming year Don't make a vanguard. (Vanguard: a game that isn't finished, trash, shit, junk, LOLZ unstable)
And for quest seriously think to yourself WoW is the only game that got the quest system right. Though I still hate the game because I no longer like to watch cartoons but thats another thread k bye
And for quest seriously think to yourself WoW is the only game that got the quest system right. Though I still hate the game because I no longer like to watch cartoons but thats another thread k bye
Not sure what you mean by quest system being right. I played Wow for a year and even gave BC a try. The quest in WoW were repetative and boring. I find EQ2 quest must more interesting and I feel EQ2 got it right. However LOTRO has definetly got the quest sright. I love EQ2 but LOTRO has some of the most enjoyable quest I have completed in any MMO.
I always thought EQ2 was a horrible game. I still think the vast majority of the game is just plain bad. However, I really liked the echoes of Faydar expansion. It was a really well done expansion. Definetly doesn't feel like the rest of EQ2's bad design. The thing holding it back now is that in Faydar, you are sometimes reminded about the bad game outside of the expansion when a none Fae comes into the region.
I always thought EQ2 was a horrible game. I still think the vast majority of the game is just plain bad. However, I really liked the echoes of Faydar expansion. It was a really well done expansion. Definetly doesn't feel like the rest of EQ2's bad design. The thing holding it back now is that in Faydar, you are sometimes reminded about the bad game outside of the expansion when a none Fae comes into the region.
I am not flaming you. You state your opinions honestly but I ask this question (something I never understood about some players). If you always thought EQ2 was a horrible game why do or did you play it? Also why would you comeback if you left a horrible game to try the expansion? You did not say you were tired of it, Or that is was ok but not for you. I could see coming back if you felt those types of things about it. However, you use the term horrible. I have found a lot of games horrible and I would not spend my hard earned money on them. Just wonder why you would, It suggest to me you actually did like something about it pre EOF. Maybe not, you are probably like me a huge mmo fan and will try most anything but I draw the line at what I think is "horrible".
For me, EQ2 is probably the best boring game ever made. It's a great game for questers, as long as they don't mind repeating the same quests alot because some of them can be quite competetive. It's a great game for people who like to customize but who don't mind looking like everyone else. It's a great game for adventuring, so long as you don't mind finding anything exciting or inspiring. It's a great game for Raiding, so long as you know it's not all that much fun. See where I'm going with this, it's a great game, it's just not that great??? It does many things well, just none of them are all that interesting. They went the safe way with almost everything, which means that at first the game is insanely good and lots of fun, over time it fizzles and just seems drawn out and a chore to play. It lacks any sort of motivation, the story line is completely still and never involves you in what could be the most amazing lore ever made for any game. It's always seemed completely confusing to me that the EQ2 team has this amazing story going on and yet, never do a damn thing with it. Anyways, IMHO, EQ2 deserves all the kudos it gets, just a shame they never went out of their way to do anything really great with the game.
No offence but I have 6000+ quests in my journals and a lvl 70 Warden, and while I know what your saying, there are some very well written quests that are very solid, has the story moved forward at all since EQ2's release 2 years ago?
You have completed 6000+ quests? Well you make a few good points but you lost all crediblity saying you completed 6000+ quests. Now you maybe using sarcasm but the post suggests you are trying to presenting facts in an intelligent way. With that said, how is it you have 6000+ quests. The top quester in the game is a character named Quester on the permafrost server with only 3117 quests. So if you exaggerated that number then I figure you are a level 35 warden at best and at best have played only 1 year. By the way who is the emperor? It is Overlord Lucan D'lere. Before you troll a game forum and present silly crap as fact remember, some people actually play the game. You mention we can call you an idiot if we want, I will say it "Idiot".
Drag I had hope Shae (elite member, so they have had plenty to say) would comeback to address how their lies and lack of knowledge of EQ2 were exposed. I normally do not like embarrasing people by exposing their lies but Shae spouts a lot of crap presented as fact which keeps people from trying great games. Shae writes pretty well so people buy into the crap. Good writing skills does not mean they are telling facts. I realize my writing skills are not to great. I am an artist not a writer. That is why I love MMORPGs as an artist I think visually.
I am a huge fan of mmo gaming and I love this site. However I hate people laying a load of crap on people looking for honest opinions and facts about games. I have written, reviewed and started threads on many games some I like and some I do not. But, I always try to tell the facts that support my opinions. This then allows the reader to make their own decision. I do not exaggerate or lie about games even those I totally hate or love. You may not aggree with me but I will alway try to give you the straight info. I have no aggenda about any game including EQ2 (so you know I am a SOE hater, hard to forgive them for what they did to SWG customers). I simply love MMORPGs and want others to get honest information. So to those who like to come here to mmorpg.com just tell it like you see it, no need to present false information.
Drag I had hope Shae (elite member, so they have had plenty to say) would comeback to address how their lies and lack of knowledge of EQ2 were exposed. I normally do not like embarrasing people by exposing their lies but Shae spouts a lot of crap presented as fact which keeps people from trying great games. Shae writes pretty well so people buy into the crap. Good writing skills does not mean they are telling facts. I realize my writing skills are not to great. I am an artist not a writer. That is why I love MMORPGs as an artist I think visually. I am a huge fan of mmo gaming and I love this site. However I hate people laying a load of crap on people looking for honest opinions and facts about games. I have written, reviewed and started threads on many games some I like and some I do not. But, I always try to tell the facts that support my opinions. This then allows the reader to make their own decision. I do not exaggerate or lie about games even those I totally hate or love. You may not aggree with me but I will alway try to give you the straight info. I have no aggenda about any game including EQ2 (so you know I am a SOE hater, hard to forgive them for what they did to SWG customers). I simply love MMORPGs and want others to get honest information. So to those who like to come here to mmorpg.com just tell it like you see it, no need to present false information.
I just honestly have no need to get into a pissing contest with someone who can't do anything but go around calling people names. I'm sorry, I got over that when I was 12 years old and little Timmy Anderson kept calling me ugly because I had braces. That and your quoting numbers from EQ2Players which is downright hillarious, as anyone who's even played EQ2 knows it's a sketchy database at BEST.
To clarify, and this was obviously my mistake, when I said 6000+ quest, I obviously meant over my time there and not on the one lvl 70 Warden, which looking at it now was just poorly written. Enlish as a second language and all that, my bad.
Since you were so willing to call me out though, I did do this. Thankfully due to havingt bought Vanguard of late and putting it on my all access plan, it meant that my EQ2 account is now accessible again, I checked the account and the exact numbers are 2,336 on my lvl 70 Warden, 1,775 on my lvl 62 monk and 891 on my Shadow Knight, which is a total of just a little over 5000+ quests.
SO, you were right, I was off, not just by a little, but by a 1000 quests. Quite a bit admitedly and for that, I whole heartedly appologize. Ask anyone here that knows me and I'm always the first one to say sorry when I've made a mistake and well, there you go, I'm certainly not to proud to do so.
Oh and btw, if you require some kind of proof to get yourself off that high horse, by all means send me an Email and I'll be more then happy to forward screen captures.
I just honestly have no need to get into a pissing contest with someone who can't do anything but go around calling people names. I'm sorry, I got over that when I was 12 years old. That and your quoting numbers from EQ2Players which is downright hillarious, as anyone who's even played EQ2 knows it's a sketchy database at BEST. To clarify, and this was obviously my mistake, when I said 6000+ quest, I obviously meant over my time there and not on the one lvl 70 Warden, which looking at it now was just poorly written. Enlish as a second language and all that, my bad. Since you were so willing to call me out though, I did do this. Thankfully due to havingt bought Vanguard of late and putting it on my all access plan, it meant that my EQ2 account is now accessible again, I checked the account and the exact numbers are 2,336 on my lvl 70 Warden, 1,775 on my lvl 62 monk and 891 on my Shadow Knight, which is a total of just a little over 5000+ quests. SO, you were right, I was off, not just by a little, but by a 1000 quets. Quite a bit admitedly and for that, I whole heartedly appologize. Ask anyone here that knows me and I'm always the first one to say sorry when I've made a mistake and well, there you go, I'm certainly not to proud to do so. Oh and btw, if you require some kind of proof to get yourself off that high horse, by all means send me an Email and I'll be more then happy to forward screen captures. Oh and BTW, marvelous speech, loved it, /applaud.
Shae I am not on a high horse just wanted to point out your post while well thought and written does not speak of fact as you claimed. Also You were the one saying "call me an idiot" and that the facts were facts. It is clear in your post they were not. You also represented youself as a long time player to support your facts. Using the term emperor to discribe the overlord suggests to me you were not all that into eq2 as you claimed. You opened yourself for critizism by saying you were speaking facts. You also presented the 6000 quest as the quest of your lvl 70 warden. By saying these things you had hoped people would except your ideas as facts not opinions because your were an experienced player. By saying the database numbers are wrong does not deflect your exaggerations. You simply came into this post (which was a light hearted applause for eq2) to hijack it with untrueths to put eq2 down because you do not like it (which is fine not everyone like every mmo). That is why I felt a need to respond. I have nothing against you but I do get tired of people who post sketchy information that may miss lead other player by calling them facts. Facts and opinions are different things.
I also do not go around calling people names you brought the "idiot" comment on yourself. In fact this is the first time I felt the need to expose someone misleading response in this way. Also by telling me you will send proof does nothing to make your claims legit. However I am glad you did respond. I say that ,without the same sarcasm you need to put in your response, because I mean it.
Shae I am not on a high horse just wanted to point out your post while well thought and written does not speak of fact as you claimed. Also You were the one saying "call me an idiot" and that the facts were facts. It is clear in your post they were not. You also represented youself as a long time player to support your facts. Using the term emperor to discribe the overlord suggests to me you were not all that into eq2 as you claimed. You opened yourself for critizism by saying you were speaking facts. You also presented the 6000 quest as the quest of your lvl 70 warden. By saying these things you had hoped people would except your ideas as facts not opinions because your were an experienced player. By saying the database numbers are wrong does not deflect your exaggerations. You simply came into this post (which was a light hearted applause for eq2) to hijack it with untrueths to put eq2 down because you do not like it (which is fine not everyone like every mmo). That is why I felt a need to respond. I have nothing against you but I do get tired of people who post sketchy information that may miss lead other player by calling them facts. Facts and opinions are different things. I also do not go around calling people names you brought the "idiot" comment on yourself. In fact this is the first time I felt the need to expose someone misleading response in this way. Also by telling me you will send proof does nothing to make your claims legit. However I am glad you did respond. I say that ,without the same sarcasm you need to put in your response, because I mean it.
Eccoton,
You have to understand, I wasn't trying to misslead anyone, ask anyone that knows me and they will tell you that I'm the last one to spread around any missinformation because of the very points you hit on.
I explained myself as well I needed too, I appologized for the missunderstanding and if that's not good enough for you, well I'm sorry but I just don't care. As I said, I'd rather not get into pissing contests about this and that, if you have some sort of need to feel superior and not accept my appology then there's not very much I can do about that, is there?
I'm constantly at a dissadvantage in these situations because, as it's been brought up before, my english is an absolute travesty. Quite often poor gramatical, spelling skills and sentence structure will set things like this off. It's not an excuse and that is precisely why I said I'll be the first to appologize and take responsibility for it, but it's a truth of someone who is not natively english speaking. I do my best, alot of people here help me with it but it's by far a work in progress.
Again, I'm sorry if all that is not up to par for you and by all means, it's a free forum, you can continue to call me a liar if you wish, that's just simply the truth.
And just so there's NO missunderstanding here, as you seem a little sensitive with these things and you don't know me very well, as with my previous post NONE of this is meant or writen sarcastically and is put as bluntly as I know how. Hope that helps.
Eccoton i agree with you 100%, eq2 is the best mmo out on the market i love the game and play it all the time and once rise of kunark the next expansion comes out it will make it even more awesome
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The Adventure packs and the expansions with SoE's pricing plan, not really that constant in my opinion. The Faydark expansion was a massiver over haul and for 2 years it totalled more actual content than the one zone instances they claimed made their world so large. The zone design? Horrible, that was one of it's weak points and unless they've completely revamped the zones 30+. I'll have to continue to disagree. They were small maps over all with non exciting mob spawn placement.
The game mechanics are as simple as any MMO that was ever created so I can agree with that. Because with a lot of players, less is more. I'm just looking for more control and a bit of a sim feel when designing and playing my character. Character advancement is soooo liner in EQ2 it's painful.
Class balance? Yeah, they all work the same. Even rogues use buffs and mana. The KISS rule was over used in that aspect of EQ2.
I kill other players because they're smarter than AI, sometimes.
For me, EQ2 is probably the best boring game ever made.
It's a great game for questers, as long as they don't mind repeating the same quests alot because some of them can be quite competetive.
It's a great game for people who like to customize but who don't mind looking like everyone else.
It's a great game for adventuring, so long as you don't mind finding anything exciting or inspiring.
It's a great game for Raiding, so long as you know it's not all that much fun.
See where I'm going with this, it's a great game, it's just not that great??? It does many things well, just none of them are all that interesting. They went the safe way with almost everything, which means that at first the game is insanely good and lots of fun, over time it fizzles and just seems drawn out and a chore to play.
It lacks any sort of motivation, the story line is completely still and never involves you in what could be the most amazing lore ever made for any game. It's always seemed completely confusing to me that the EQ2 team has this amazing story going on and yet, never do a damn thing with it.
Anyways, IMHO, EQ2 deserves all the kudos it gets, just a shame they never went out of their way to do anything really great with the game.
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No offence but I have 6000+ quests in my journals and a lvl 70 Warden, and while I know what your saying, there are some very well written quests that are very solid, has the story moved forward at all since EQ2's release 2 years ago?
Forego some story changes to add in expansions and adventure packs, GG screwing lore there, how many grand heros have emerged, has freeport gained any ground on Qeynos, has anyone gained anything other then Griffin towards all those months ago? Has anyone, short of raiding accomplishments, done anything of any absolute note?
Has the emperor stepped out and finally declared war? Has Antonica done anything besides preach on endlessly boring her population?
To my knowledge, none of this has happened. I'm not asking for anything to be spoon fed to me but after 2 years if a story does not move forward, it means it's stagnant. That's not good, or bad it just is what it is.
You can call me an idiot as much as you'd like, that fact doesn't change.
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If SOE is the Wal-Mart of the industry, then who is the Target? (Marketing geniuses that sell mostly the same crap as Wal-Mart, but somehow make it look "hip" to buy there).
Blizzard obviously.
Dang! I really liked the Wal-Mart analogy that Shae made earlier in the thread....but 6000+ quests and an open invitation to call someone an idiot?!! Sorry, I can't refuse...
Idiot.
Well the game is not bad now after they have two years to refine it. Probably the only decent game that Sony puts out.
but you see I liked the old eq2. Crafting was hard because it forced you to socialize. Armor matched and looked freaking sweet and it looks battle worn. The zoning everywhere sucks though even if you have a good computer. it was hard to pull off HO with a pickup group but it felt so good to actually get a nice chain off. Dunno I haven't played EOF yet so I don't know what you guys are talking about but I am sure I am not the only one who finds it hard to come back after they revamped the whole game. Get it right the first time and to you other MMO dev making games for this coming year Don't make a vanguard. (Vanguard: a game that isn't finished, trash, shit, junk, LOLZ unstable)
And for quest seriously think to yourself WoW is the only game that got the quest system right. Though I still hate the game because I no longer like to watch cartoons but thats another thread k bye
Not sure what you mean by quest system being right. I played Wow for a year and even gave BC a try. The quest in WoW were repetative and boring. I find EQ2 quest must more interesting and I feel EQ2 got it right. However LOTRO has definetly got the quest sright. I love EQ2 but LOTRO has some of the most enjoyable quest I have completed in any MMO.I am not flaming you. You state your opinions honestly but I ask this question (something I never understood about some players). If you always thought EQ2 was a horrible game why do or did you play it? Also why would you comeback if you left a horrible game to try the expansion? You did not say you were tired of it, Or that is was ok but not for you. I could see coming back if you felt those types of things about it. However, you use the term horrible. I have found a lot of games horrible and I would not spend my hard earned money on them. Just wonder why you would, It suggest to me you actually did like something about it pre EOF. Maybe not, you are probably like me a huge mmo fan and will try most anything but I draw the line at what I think is "horrible".
Drag I had hope Shae (elite member, so they have had plenty to say) would comeback to address how their lies and lack of knowledge of EQ2 were exposed. I normally do not like embarrasing people by exposing their lies but Shae spouts a lot of crap presented as fact which keeps people from trying great games. Shae writes pretty well so people buy into the crap. Good writing skills does not mean they are telling facts. I realize my writing skills are not to great. I am an artist not a writer. That is why I love MMORPGs as an artist I think visually.
I am a huge fan of mmo gaming and I love this site. However I hate people laying a load of crap on people looking for honest opinions and facts about games. I have written, reviewed and started threads on many games some I like and some I do not. But, I always try to tell the facts that support my opinions. This then allows the reader to make their own decision. I do not exaggerate or lie about games even those I totally hate or love. You may not aggree with me but I will alway try to give you the straight info. I have no aggenda about any game including EQ2 (so you know I am a SOE hater, hard to forgive them for what they did to SWG customers). I simply love MMORPGs and want others to get honest information. So to those who like to come here to mmorpg.com just tell it like you see it, no need to present false information.
QFT always wondered that myself...
And I really don't understand why the majority of you take the ratings of this website seriously
It's not like every mmo player in the world comes here to rate a game
BTW at the time I made this post Guild Wars was at #1.....
Currently Playing: Everything but MMORPGs
Cancelled: L2, FFXI, VSoH, LotRO, WAR, WoW
Looking Forward To: SW:TOR
I just honestly have no need to get into a pissing contest with someone who can't do anything but go around calling people names. I'm sorry, I got over that when I was 12 years old and little Timmy Anderson kept calling me ugly because I had braces. That and your quoting numbers from EQ2Players which is downright hillarious, as anyone who's even played EQ2 knows it's a sketchy database at BEST.
To clarify, and this was obviously my mistake, when I said 6000+ quest, I obviously meant over my time there and not on the one lvl 70 Warden, which looking at it now was just poorly written. Enlish as a second language and all that, my bad.
Since you were so willing to call me out though, I did do this. Thankfully due to havingt bought Vanguard of late and putting it on my all access plan, it meant that my EQ2 account is now accessible again, I checked the account and the exact numbers are 2,336 on my lvl 70 Warden, 1,775 on my lvl 62 monk and 891 on my Shadow Knight, which is a total of just a little over 5000+ quests.
SO, you were right, I was off, not just by a little, but by a 1000 quests. Quite a bit admitedly and for that, I whole heartedly appologize. Ask anyone here that knows me and I'm always the first one to say sorry when I've made a mistake and well, there you go, I'm certainly not to proud to do so.
Oh and btw, if you require some kind of proof to get yourself off that high horse, by all means send me an Email and I'll be more then happy to forward screen captures.
Oh and BTW, marvelous speech, loved it, /applaud.
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Shae I am not on a high horse just wanted to point out your post while well thought and written does not speak of fact as you claimed. Also You were the one saying "call me an idiot" and that the facts were facts. It is clear in your post they were not. You also represented youself as a long time player to support your facts. Using the term emperor to discribe the overlord suggests to me you were not all that into eq2 as you claimed. You opened yourself for critizism by saying you were speaking facts. You also presented the 6000 quest as the quest of your lvl 70 warden. By saying these things you had hoped people would except your ideas as facts not opinions because your were an experienced player. By saying the database numbers are wrong does not deflect your exaggerations. You simply came into this post (which was a light hearted applause for eq2) to hijack it with untrueths to put eq2 down because you do not like it (which is fine not everyone like every mmo). That is why I felt a need to respond. I have nothing against you but I do get tired of people who post sketchy information that may miss lead other player by calling them facts. Facts and opinions are different things.
I also do not go around calling people names you brought the "idiot" comment on yourself. In fact this is the first time I felt the need to expose someone misleading response in this way. Also by telling me you will send proof does nothing to make your claims legit. However I am glad you did respond. I say that ,without the same sarcasm you need to put in your response, because I mean it.
Eccoton,
You have to understand, I wasn't trying to misslead anyone, ask anyone that knows me and they will tell you that I'm the last one to spread around any missinformation because of the very points you hit on.
I explained myself as well I needed too, I appologized for the missunderstanding and if that's not good enough for you, well I'm sorry but I just don't care. As I said, I'd rather not get into pissing contests about this and that, if you have some sort of need to feel superior and not accept my appology then there's not very much I can do about that, is there?
I'm constantly at a dissadvantage in these situations because, as it's been brought up before, my english is an absolute travesty. Quite often poor gramatical, spelling skills and sentence structure will set things like this off. It's not an excuse and that is precisely why I said I'll be the first to appologize and take responsibility for it, but it's a truth of someone who is not natively english speaking. I do my best, alot of people here help me with it but it's by far a work in progress.
Again, I'm sorry if all that is not up to par for you and by all means, it's a free forum, you can continue to call me a liar if you wish, that's just simply the truth.
And just so there's NO missunderstanding here, as you seem a little sensitive with these things and you don't know me very well, as with my previous post NONE of this is meant or writen sarcastically and is put as bluntly as I know how. Hope that helps.
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