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Hmmm... guitarists... or drummers?
LightXZ
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What do you think is better? Myself being both of these, a lot of drummers are actually overlooked in many mainstream bands, and many unheard of bands. I want to know what you all think about this.
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"Holding on to what I have, pretending I'm a superman."
Your argument is like a two legged dog with an eating disorder...weak and unbalanced.
"Holding on to what I have, pretending I'm a superman."
I liten to band like Tool and Explosions in the Sky for their drums, I listen to bands like Primus or Santana for their guitars. Then there is a large majority of bands I listen to who have no stand out in either area, but their overqll sound is still enjoyable.
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"Holding on to what I have, pretending I'm a superman."
Drummers can often get overlooked. In a band, the skill of the drummer is probably the most influencial in whether the band sounds good or not. A great drummer can make an average rock band a lot better.
Having said that, individually, the drums aren't so good to listen to, whereas solo guitar music can be great.
As a guitarist, I'd say that a good guitarist also needs as much sense of rhythm, but what I admire in drummers is the co-ordination between hands and feet.
My initial thought was that this is a silly question and I'm not going to answer it. I'm coming to the conclusion that it's still a silly question, but I'll throw a vote in for drummers on the balance of things.
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On the guitar, it's harder to begin with because it hurts like hell. After a couple of weeks it won't hurt and you should already have learned the basic chords and strumming pattern. With that you can play a lot of songs. On guitar there is more theory on the different scales and tones you can play, with all sorts of different techniques. Takes practice and patience.
Also, drums are a HELL of a lot harder to tune.
Also, every kind of instrument require some sort of rhythm talent, simply because the way music is built up requires it. Difference is, the rhythmic sense of the drummer has to be great, because the other instruments are played after the beat of the drum, so that you all know you're playing at the same BPM.
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I voted drummers, just becaus I'm one.
I hate people who say guitar would be much harder.
I agree that its harder, but I disagree totally that drums would be easy to learn.
You get the basics easily.
But after it you have to learn different rythms, techniques and such.
Drums really arent that easy to master.
Any idiot with rhythm can play the drums. It takes no musical talent.
Now, I, unlike most people in this thread, actually AM a musician. I can both read and compose in various clefs, have extensive and professional experience playing cello, and can also play violin, viola, bass, guitar, bass guitar, piano, and--of course--drums.
Any instrumentalist can play drums. Other instruments, you have key signitures, accidentals, etc. When was the last time you played a scale on a drum set? In fact, some professionals define scales as the basis for music... With that line of logic, if you cannot play a scale on an instrument, can it truly be considered musical?
On the same note, I hate almost all guitar players, too.
Now, that's somewhat misleading, because most guitar players aren't REAL guitar players. Whenever I see some stupid-looking kid that thinks he's the shit because he can "play guitar," I get pissed off. Stop it. You can't play guitar. You know a few cords, or a few songs, and now you think you're awesome. You aren't. You probably forgot what the names of the strings were. In fact, you probably can't even read music.
I hate to be a music nazi, but people that think they are musicials should just die.
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Your argument is like a two legged dog with an eating disorder...weak and unbalanced.
But in all seriousness, I've met so many 16-25 year old kids that claim that "music is their life...", which is usually done with a smug sense of superiority to people that know less than them. However, they know nothing about real music, like music theory, the history of music, the difference between musical phrases and "itallian gibberish", etc.
I'm sorry if I take it so personally, but it's like some smug high school punk with a fresh install of photoshop following half of a tutorial before he "got it" and started playing around by himself with the basic templates and creating something that looks like mediocre bullshit and posts it on a forum and gets hailed as a "10/10", when someone like me who's a professional calls him out on it, and everyone retorts with "well let's see you do better, it's easy to say you're God when you're on the internet." Except, its harder for me to post my proof, unlike with photoshop.
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"Io rido, e rider mio non passa dentro;
Io ardo, e l'arsion mia non par di fore."
-Machiavelli
Considering you just wrote a post about how musical you were and finished by saying people who say they are musical should die, perhaps you may be making assumptions about some of the other posters in this thread. Just because you can recite some of your achievements and a smattering of musical knowledge doesn't mean that maybe some of us might not just throw in a "I play guitar" or "I play drums" and not feel the need to say any more about it.
Some of the most respected players recorded their best work between the ages of 16 and 25 and many of them were not formally trained in music theory either. I don't suppose Hendrix who died at 27 was an expert in music history and you would be on your own if you tried to claim that this musically untrained youngster couldn't really play the guitar.
Save your musical snobbery for when you actually have some idea about the people you're referring to.
...and I disagree with you about drummers. I know plenty, and to be really good on a kit requires a hell of a talent and some really impressive coordination. Sure, anyone can play a Ringo type beat with a little practice, just as anyone can learn to strum a few chords, but try playing one time signature with your hands and another with your feet and still hit that perfect fill!
Drawing such a dry conclusion as "You say you're musical, yet say people that say that they're musical should die" is quite an unfair point to make. If you read my posts, you'd see that just because I love apples but hate artificial apple juice, that doesn't mean that I hate all fruit and that I'm a hypocrite for liking apples. Much like the sarcastic joke, "those that claim to know it all insult those of us that actually do," except there's a kernel of truth to mine.
Hendrix had the skills from playing intensely for years. Besides, for every Hendrix I could give you thousands--hell, maybe even a million--of people that fit the bill of a self-proclaimed "guitarist." The reason Hendrix was such an inspiring person was because he had no formal training and was such an amazing person.
However, a vast majority of professional musicians were formally trained. If you disagree, I think you may be limiting your views of what a professional musician is.
"try playing one time signature with your hands and another with your feet and still hit that perfect fill!"
I actually have done something like that, and do often. Not only is it an exercize that I do to help maintain rhythm coordination, but it's sometimes a necessity when half of an orchestra is playing one time signiture, and your half is playing a different one.
Try playing a hemiola when the conductor is in a completely different time signiture, meanwhile doing a crescendo and decrescendo, shaping the notes, playing in tune on an instrument with no frets and more notes, keeping tone quality, working a bow in the correct legato motion, jumping between clefs and key signitures, keeping in mind accents and accidentals, AND keeping precise rhythm with the rest of the orchestra.
I'm sorry if I seem like an ass, but how would you feel if the cool, scene thing to do would be to bastardize the one thing you have a real passion for that you worked hard on to cultivate and sculpt?
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"Io rido, e rider mio non passa dentro;
Io ardo, e l'arsion mia non par di fore."
-Machiavelli
Your argument is like a two legged dog with an eating disorder...weak and unbalanced.
Nobody's knocking the talent and ability of the strings section of a professional orchestra (who I'm sure are all formally trained - certainly all the ones I know are). The thread is merely about drummers and guitarists.
While the smugness of someone claiming to be talented who clearly isn't, can be pretty annoying, it's surely only a good thing that people are enjoying making music... and besides even the smugness of those who actually are talented can be pretty annoying too.
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"Io rido, e rider mio non passa dentro;
Io ardo, e l'arsion mia non par di fore."
-Machiavelli