im a guitarist and im okay but i still got loads to learn but i think that both guitarists and drummers are just as important as each other when it comes to a band. if u dont have a drummer the music won't sound as good and if you don't have a guitarist it's the same story but both require practice, time and patience no one can say they can play guitar or drums without a certain amount of practice.
take what you can but not what isn't yours. "fight to the end and never give your enemy the satisfaction of victory"
Drums and guitar both requite talent. It doesn't matter how long I've been playing drum, or someone else, you'll always have something new to learn on drums. Same with guitar. Drums are by no means "easy" as some people would say. These people that say this complete crap cannot compare to drummers with actual talent. It's just someone saying something like "If you can play that, I bet I could too." Well... if you just like to insult musicians and think that you're better than all the rest... you probably can't play for shit.
"Holding on to what I have, pretending I'm a superman."
And maybe we don't all care about being a professional musician... maybe some of us are in it because we LOVE music, and it's our passion. I play drums because I love to, it's what I enjoy most in life. I don't really give a shit what some douche bag of a "professional musician" says, I don't care if drums take me somewhere, I'll always play drums because I love to. Everyone should have a passion. Seems that some peoples passion is to just brag about how they're a professional musician.
"Holding on to what I have, pretending I'm a superman."
OK, I know I'm going get flamed for this, but its the truth.
Following is not a flame.
Any idiot with rhythm can play the drums. It takes no musical talent.
Any idiot can play a tight 4/4 rock beat. Yes. If that's your definition of somebody can play drums, then it's true, any idiot can play drums.
Now, I, unlike most people in this thread, actually AM a musician. I can both read and compose in various clefs, have extensive and professional experience playing cello, and can also play violin, viola, bass, guitar, bass guitar, piano, and--of course--drums.
On what do you base that statement?
Any instrumentalist can play drums. Other instruments, you have key signitures, accidentals, etc. When was the last time you played a scale on a drum set? In fact, some professionals define scales as the basis for music... With that line of logic, if you cannot play a scale on an instrument, can it truly be considered musical?
How is scales the basis of music? I'd say rhythm is basis of music, considering how notation is built up. You read how many times a bar you would a play a note, how fast a bar should be played, which notes to be played and how long, and if any technique is to be used. Most of that involves rhythm, which is also why you can have drum notation.
That said, scales are very important. You can't compose shit if you don't know them. This is why most pop sucks.
On the same note, I hate almost all guitar players, too.
Now, that's somewhat misleading, because most guitar players aren't REAL guitar players. Whenever I see some stupid-looking kid that thinks he's the shit because he can "play guitar," I get pissed off. Stop it. You can't play guitar. You know a few cords, or a few songs, and now you think you're awesome. You aren't. You probably forgot what the names of the strings were. In fact, you probably can't even read music.
I hate to be a music nazi, but people that think they are musicials should just die.
Those aren't guitar players. Those are people who've learning simple strumming patterns and the basic chords. They don't know scales which is a requirement in my eyes, and they probably don't know any techniques really. They probably also don't know how to read notation.
In my eyes, you need to know at least some kind of guitar "theory", such as anatomy of the guitar, string names(duh), being able to tell with sound any given string on any given fret with produce. You should also know a good amount of chords, scales. I think you should also be able to do alternate picking(picking anything the least difficult is otherwise impossible) and basic things such as bending and slurs(hammer ons & pull offs)
Any idiot with rhythm can play the drums. It takes no musical talent.
Any idiot can play a tight 4/4 rock beat. Yes. If that's your definition of somebody can play drums, then it's true, any idiot can play drums.
No, any one with basic skills in some sort of musical instrument would be able to play drums. You can play drums in any time signiture that you can read. It's not hard at all.
Now, I, unlike most people in this thread, actually AM a musician. I can both read and compose in various clefs, have extensive and professional experience playing cello, and can also play violin, viola, bass, guitar, bass guitar, piano, and--of course--drums.
On what do you base that statement?
I base that statement on the following lines that you didn't change the color of.
Any instrumentalist can play drums. Other instruments, you have key signitures, accidentals, etc. When was the last time you played a scale on a drum set? In fact, some professionals define scales as the basis for music... With that line of logic, if you cannot play a scale on an instrument, can it truly be considered musical?
How is scales the basis of music? I'd say rhythm is basis of music, considering how notation is built up. You read how many times a bar you would a play a note, how fast a bar should be played, which notes to be played and how long, and if any technique is to be used. Most of that involves rhythm, which is also why you can have drum notation.
If you've taken a variety of classes or been with a variety of orchestra directors or conductors, you'd find many of them like to define scales as the basis of music.
On the same note, I hate almost all guitar players, too.
Now, that's somewhat misleading, because most guitar players aren't REAL guitar players. Whenever I see some stupid-looking kid that thinks he's the shit because he can "play guitar," I get pissed off. Stop it. You can't play guitar. You know a few cords, or a few songs, and now you think you're awesome. You aren't. You probably forgot what the names of the strings were. In fact, you probably can't even read music.
I hate to be a music nazi, but people that think they are musicials should just die.
Those aren't guitar players. Those are people who've learning simple strumming patterns and the basic chords. They don't know scales which is a requirement in my eyes, and they probably don't know any techniques really. They probably also don't know how to read notation.
In my eyes, you need to know at least some kind of guitar "theory", such as anatomy of the guitar, string names(duh), being able to tell with sound any given string on any given fret with produce. You should also know a good amount of chords, scales. I think you should also be able to do alternate picking(picking anything the least difficult is otherwise impossible) and basic things such as bending and slurs(hammer ons & pull offs)
Completely agree. Those aren't guitar players. But they claim they do, and people not only believe them, they'll go and spread the word that they're "a musician."
_____________________________________ "Io rido, e rider mio non passa dentro; Io ardo, e l'arsion mia non par di fore." -Machiavelli
Any idiot with rhythm can play the drums. It takes no musical talent.
Any idiot can play a tight 4/4 rock beat. Yes. If that's your definition of somebody can play drums, then it's true, any idiot can play drums.
No, any one with basic skills in some sort of musical instrument would be able to play drums. You can play drums in any time signiture that you can read. It's not hard at all.
Now, I, unlike most people in this thread, actually AM a musician. I can both read and compose in various clefs, have extensive and professional experience playing cello, and can also play violin, viola, bass, guitar, bass guitar, piano, and--of course--drums.
On what do you base that statement?
I base that statement on the following lines that you didn't change the color of.
I meant the "unlike most people in this thread" part.
Any instrumentalist can play drums. Other instruments, you have key signitures, accidentals, etc. When was the last time you played a scale on a drum set? In fact, some professionals define scales as the basis for music... With that line of logic, if you cannot play a scale on an instrument, can it truly be considered musical?
How is scales the basis of music? I'd say rhythm is basis of music, considering how notation is built up. You read how many times a bar you would a play a note, how fast a bar should be played, which notes to be played and how long, and if any technique is to be used. Most of that involves rhythm, which is also why you can have drum notation.
If you've taken a variety of classes or been with a variety of orchestra directors or conductors, you'd find many of them like to define scales as the basis of music.
Never been with orchestra directors or conductors... only instruments teachers and players. Never heard it that way. Only heard the importance of scales.
On the same note, I hate almost all guitar players, too.
Now, that's somewhat misleading, because most guitar players aren't REAL guitar players. Whenever I see some stupid-looking kid that thinks he's the shit because he can "play guitar," I get pissed off. Stop it. You can't play guitar. You know a few cords, or a few songs, and now you think you're awesome. You aren't. You probably forgot what the names of the strings were. In fact, you probably can't even read music.
I hate to be a music nazi, but people that think they are musicials should just die.
Those aren't guitar players. Those are people who've learning simple strumming patterns and the basic chords. They don't know scales which is a requirement in my eyes, and they probably don't know any techniques really. They probably also don't know how to read notation.
In my eyes, you need to know at least some kind of guitar "theory", such as anatomy of the guitar, string names(duh), being able to tell with sound any given string on any given fret with produce. You should also know a good amount of chords, scales. I think you should also be able to do alternate picking(picking anything the least difficult is otherwise impossible) and basic things such as bending and slurs(hammer ons & pull offs)
Completely agree. Those aren't guitar players. But they claim they do, and people not only believe them, they'll go and spread the word that they're "a musician."
I know the type. Buy a guitar. Learn a couple of chords. Play some crap pop 4 chord based song and everybody thinks he's a musician, or he simple walks around claiming he's one.
That said, it's pretty obvious you have more experience and knoweldge about music than me.
Any idiot with rhythm can play the drums. It takes no musical talent.
Any idiot can play a tight 4/4 rock beat. Yes. If that's your definition of somebody can play drums, then it's true, any idiot can play drums.
No, any one with basic skills in some sort of musical instrument would be able to play drums. You can play drums in any time signiture that you can read. It's not hard at all.
Not without a significant amount of practice, and even then some otherwise good musicians still might not manage the coordination needed. I know many really good musicians who suck behind a kit.
I have to say I like the guitar better because of the way you can bend and twist notes to make them sound different than what you're taught. I also like the way that it's a little more chill than a drumset, I can just pick up and toy around with it for a few minutes just after I woke up and not feel like I have to exert a lot of energy
Now, I, unlike most people in this thread, actually AM a musician. I can both read and compose in various clefs, have extensive and professional experience playing cello, and can also play violin, viola, bass, guitar, bass guitar, piano, and--of course--drums.
On what do you base that statement?
I base that statement on the following lines that you didn't change the color of.
I meant the "unlike most people in this thread" part.
Well, common sense. How many people are in this thread? How many others do you think are professional musicians? Even if there are any others, I highly doubt that the amount would constitute a majority.
_____________________________________ "Io rido, e rider mio non passa dentro; Io ardo, e l'arsion mia non par di fore." -Machiavelli
I do, also, disagree that scales are the basis of music.
All scales are are just notes listed chromatically.
And if notes make up a scale, that would make notes the basis for all music. As the main reason eastern music sounds so different to us, is because of their 1/4 tones.
Notes --> Scales --> Intervals -- > Chords
Now, in my opinion, this makes drums more like a music instrument, as drums do have to tune their Kit to a specific sound, much like orchestra (Concert tuning has changed so much over the years, i remember when it went from 440 to 438 (whats the unit for this again, some multiple of Hertz.... KHz ?) What do you guys tune to these days ?
While many orchestras are obviously in control of what pitch they want to tune at, I haven't heard of anything other than the concert A being 440. I highly doubt they changed it, as it's kind of a set-in-stone sort of thing, but I may be wrong.
I never said I personally believe it, I'm just telling you that many of the educated in the field define scales as the foundation of music. To argue the point, you could relate it to something like the periodic table of elements. Yes, the elements can be broken down into even smaller pieces... but many scientists would say that elements are the blocks of life. Or even atoms--you can break them down into protons, neutrons, and electrons, but atoms themselves are still considered the smallest. Or maybe even cells--the lowest form of life, yet they have cytoplasm, ribosomes, a nucleous, etc.
_____________________________________ "Io rido, e rider mio non passa dentro; Io ardo, e l'arsion mia non par di fore." -Machiavelli
I cant drum because i have spent so many years playing guitar, that when ever i try to drum, i hit with both hands at the same time (like i was playing a guitar.
You hit with both hands when you play a guitar? Meaning, you put your fingers down when you strum? If so, you should try holding your fingers down before you even strum. I could be wrong, but when I read your post, I just got the mental image of some friends of mine that try to play Guitar Hero by hitting both the colored fret and the strum button at the same time.
_____________________________________ "Io rido, e rider mio non passa dentro; Io ardo, e l'arsion mia non par di fore." -Machiavelli
But seriously, if you ever study music at school, one of the hardest subjects you will do is Rhythm studies, where you notate drums onto a treble clef. So Yes, you can play scales on a Drum, they just dont sound like scales, much like if you played a scale on a sitar or another 1/4 tone instrument.
Just because you can notate drum beats doesn't mean you can play scales on a drum. If they don't sound like scales... they aren't scales. Music is all about listening... if it doesn't sound like it, more often than not it isn't it.
_____________________________________ "Io rido, e rider mio non passa dentro; Io ardo, e l'arsion mia non par di fore." -Machiavelli
Fall Out Boy, Green Day, ect... I don't really like mainstream music. It pretty much sucks... reaaallllyyyy bad. It's much to easy to just pick up and play. I like a challenge, and good music, not poop. Go check out From First To Last, or Of Blessings And Burdens, Underoath, Chiodos, Norma Jean.
"Holding on to what I have, pretending I'm a superman."
Now, I, unlike most people in this thread, actually AM a musician. I can both read and compose in various clefs, have extensive and professional experience playing cello, and can also play violin, viola, bass, guitar, bass guitar, piano, and--of course--drums.
On what do you base that statement?
I base that statement on the following lines that you didn't change the color of.
I meant the "unlike most people in this thread" part.
Well, common sense. How many people are in this thread? How many others do you think are professional musicians? Even if there are any others, I highly doubt that the amount would constitute a majority.
If you had said "professional" in the first place, I don't suppose you'd have got people's backs up in the same way. You suggest that your definition of "musician" is someone who gets paid for it. The words "professional experience" would seem to point out that the orchestra you play cello for does not provide your main source of income. So should we, by your reasoning, call you a "semi-musician"? Should we also assume that when it comes to violin, viola, bass, guitar and drums, you're not a "musician" at all?
I too have been payed to play on numerous occasions - personally I don't think that has any bearing on whether I AM a musician or not.
Now, I, unlike most people in this thread, actually AM a musician. I can both read and compose in various clefs, have extensive and professional experience playing cello, and can also play violin, viola, bass, guitar, bass guitar, piano, and--of course--drums.
On what do you base that statement?
I base that statement on the following lines that you didn't change the color of.
I meant the "unlike most people in this thread" part.
Well, common sense. How many people are in this thread? How many others do you think are professional musicians? Even if there are any others, I highly doubt that the amount would constitute a majority.
If you had said "professional" in the first place, I don't suppose you'd have got people's backs up in the same way. You suggest that your definition of "musician" is someone who gets paid for it. The words "professional experience" would seem to point out that the orchestra you play cello for does not provide your main source of income. So should we, by your reasoning, call you a "semi-musician"? Should we also assume that when it comes to violin, viola, bass, guitar and drums, you're not a "musician" at all?
I too have been payed to play on numerous occasions - personally I don't think that has any bearing on whether I AM a musician or not.
Spot on. I think there's a lot of musicians in this thread, meaning that they play instruments at least at some decent level.
Education and all that doesn't ever matter in the end. The only thing that matters is the different sounds you can produce. Don't understand me the wrong way, education does in fact help, but you can't meassure skill on something so subjective as music with education.
Bassist and a guitarist here, and I appreciate a good drummer when I can find one. I would ultimately prefer to play in a live setting but that can be pretty hard to do with being unable to find musicians locally.
I have played with schooled musicians, and beginners with the drive to do something. I don't discriminate in that respect. One thing I have learned though is, the schooled musicians can't play the simplest things sometimes, always expecting some crazy time signature, etc, etc, and are out there for the paycheck. They also have some of the most rediculously pretentious attitudes.Wherehas the beginners actually want to make music, for the sake of making music and being creative. Doesn't matter if you can play Mozart, Chopin, or Brahms, you need to drive yourself, not rest back on a piece of music that someone else has written. You can be an awesome guitarist that can play every scale in the book, but if your playing lacks feeling, your are nothing but a noodling bore.
One thing I can really appreciate overall Pro-Tools. Because if I can't find musicians to play the type of music I want to, I can just do it myself. Another nice thing, no egos to deal with.
Drum machines are nice too, they always play on time, and I don't have to pay em. (ok, that's an old joke there).
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take what you can but not what isn't yours. "fight to the end and never give your enemy the satisfaction of victory"
"Holding on to what I have, pretending I'm a superman."
"Holding on to what I have, pretending I'm a superman."
_____________________________________
"Io rido, e rider mio non passa dentro;
Io ardo, e l'arsion mia non par di fore."
-Machiavelli
_____________________________________
"Io rido, e rider mio non passa dentro;
Io ardo, e l'arsion mia non par di fore."
-Machiavelli
I never said I personally believe it, I'm just telling you that many of the educated in the field define scales as the foundation of music. To argue the point, you could relate it to something like the periodic table of elements. Yes, the elements can be broken down into even smaller pieces... but many scientists would say that elements are the blocks of life. Or even atoms--you can break them down into protons, neutrons, and electrons, but atoms themselves are still considered the smallest. Or maybe even cells--the lowest form of life, yet they have cytoplasm, ribosomes, a nucleous, etc.
_____________________________________
"Io rido, e rider mio non passa dentro;
Io ardo, e l'arsion mia non par di fore."
-Machiavelli
_____________________________________
"Io rido, e rider mio non passa dentro;
Io ardo, e l'arsion mia non par di fore."
-Machiavelli
_____________________________________
"Io rido, e rider mio non passa dentro;
Io ardo, e l'arsion mia non par di fore."
-Machiavelli
"Holding on to what I have, pretending I'm a superman."
If you had said "professional" in the first place, I don't suppose you'd have got people's backs up in the same way. You suggest that your definition of "musician" is someone who gets paid for it. The words "professional experience" would seem to point out that the orchestra you play cello for does not provide your main source of income. So should we, by your reasoning, call you a "semi-musician"? Should we also assume that when it comes to violin, viola, bass, guitar and drums, you're not a "musician" at all?
I too have been payed to play on numerous occasions - personally I don't think that has any bearing on whether I AM a musician or not.
If you had said "professional" in the first place, I don't suppose you'd have got people's backs up in the same way. You suggest that your definition of "musician" is someone who gets paid for it. The words "professional experience" would seem to point out that the orchestra you play cello for does not provide your main source of income. So should we, by your reasoning, call you a "semi-musician"? Should we also assume that when it comes to violin, viola, bass, guitar and drums, you're not a "musician" at all?
I too have been payed to play on numerous occasions - personally I don't think that has any bearing on whether I AM a musician or not.
Spot on. I think there's a lot of musicians in this thread, meaning that they play instruments at least at some decent level.
Education and all that doesn't ever matter in the end. The only thing that matters is the different sounds you can produce. Don't understand me the wrong way, education does in fact help, but you can't meassure skill on something so subjective as music with education.
drummers are much easier to do so i guess pick guitar and besides do they have a very popular dummers game
Bassist and a guitarist here, and I appreciate a good drummer when I can find one. I would ultimately prefer to play in a live setting but that can be pretty hard to do with being unable to find musicians locally.
I have played with schooled musicians, and beginners with the drive to do something. I don't discriminate in that respect. One thing I have learned though is, the schooled musicians can't play the simplest things sometimes, always expecting some crazy time signature, etc, etc, and are out there for the paycheck. They also have some of the most rediculously pretentious attitudes.Wherehas the beginners actually want to make music, for the sake of making music and being creative. Doesn't matter if you can play Mozart, Chopin, or Brahms, you need to drive yourself, not rest back on a piece of music that someone else has written. You can be an awesome guitarist that can play every scale in the book, but if your playing lacks feeling, your are nothing but a noodling bore.
One thing I can really appreciate overall Pro-Tools. Because if I can't find musicians to play the type of music I want to, I can just do it myself. Another nice thing, no egos to deal with.
Drum machines are nice too, they always play on time, and I don't have to pay em. (ok, that's an old joke there).
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