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Lineage II is boring!

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  • CroyCroy Member Posts: 1

    I am currently playing L2 still and the only real problem i have with the game is the fact that no one is going to allow people to play the bad guys.  What i mean is that as soon as someone gets pk'd they get gang raped by a bunch of whiners who complain until some high lvl person or a mob of players kill them.  I think if people could pk without being blackballed by the server it would be more interesting.  The levels do go slow but not that bad if you dont think about them and just try to interact and play with people because lets face it if you didnt like playing with other people than why the hell would you try playing this game.  The only real problem i have with the game is the money.  Its so hard to afford anything.  I like the game and i am probably the only one on here going to buy it retail.

    Just some thoughts

     

  • DantesDantes Member Posts: 163



    Originally posted by Croy

    The only real problem i have with the game is the money.  Its so hard to afford anything. 



    Try playing FFXI.  In all my years of MMORPG playing, that game has to be the hardest to get money in.  *shudder*

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  • EzikeilEzikeil Member Posts: 148
    I like it.

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  • noobletnooblet Member Posts: 2,274
    i think everyone that says this game sucks and its the same old sh*t as eq,daoc and all the others should wait until GW comes out it seems like its gunna b the most newest and fresh mmorpg in a while

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  • wystanwystan Member Posts: 68

    if im not mistaken the lvl curve of L2 is alot less than EQ any game with less lvling than Eq is qorth playing

    and the castle siege system will be great pvp

    nuff said

  • PieterPieter Member Posts: 29

    well, having played EQ, I have to disagree...after that experience, although it was fun, I also now hate any game that has somewhat of a levelling treadmill and only has that for ages until it gets interesting.

    In Beta, I went for lvl 20, got there, had some fun as an oracle, and then I quit. Really, the lvling does not weigh up to get that little fun after so much time. Of course it might be more fun after a lot more time, but I for one had more fun when the NPC server crashed and we had fun doing group photos...

  • fulmanfufulmanfu Member Posts: 1,523

    those that are boring themselves becasue they want to siege..u do realize that 99% of the people wont ever be in a clan that own a castle? if you are not in a very good and exploiting/duping rich guild your long desire for the 'ultimate end game' (which consist of sieges only, that are in 2 week intervals i believe/castle) will be nothing more than paying monthly fees for years, hoping these people quit.

  • MistiMisti Member Posts: 724

    Actually thats a fairly misconstrued idea of the sieging and end game fulmanfu. 

    Your guild doesn't need to exploit or dup to be one of the strongest on a server.

    Sieges are not the only pvp in the end game.  There are also clan wars and such where the pvp rules are very different.  You don't turn red when killing an opposing clan member in a siege or clan war.  The color system is to address random pking not the end game wars.

    Sieges do not require a 2 week period between them.  When a guild wants to siege a castle they request one from the current castles owning guild.  The guild defending the castle can then decide when to allow the siege at any time starting right away to a maximum of 2 weeks from when it was requested.  The point of this timeframe is to ensure a castle wont be sieged at some odd time when all of the defenders are offline asleep or something.

    That means the siege could happen immediately.  Also there are currently 5 castles I believe which means they will be overlapping and occurring more frequently then once every 2 weeks.  Each chronicle update is also adding more castles and manors that can be fought over in the clan wars.

    All that aside though I have no idea how fun it will actually be and it does take a great deal of time to achieve the levels required for that and pve end game content.  Whether thats worth it to you will be up to you as an individual.

  • iddmitriiddmitri Member UncommonPosts: 671

    agree. graphics - good, gameplay - bad. they still can make it fun with updates but who cares they should've made it already. so bye bye lineage for me.

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  • 7Fold7Fold Member Posts: 318

    thing is, in Lineage 2, it will be hard to enjoy pvp, cause when you die you will loose right at 10% of your experience. This in itself will hurt sieges...

     

    Wont be like UO, when you die you go home reequip and get right back into the fun. If you die in pvp in lineage 2, you will have to smack rats for 2 hours to get your experience back.

  • fulmanfufulmanfu Member Posts: 1,523

    ok maybe i jumped the gun.
    i played lineage 1 forever(much better game if you ignore the graphics), andt hey aslo had guild wars whith the same rules i know how they work, its just noone did them, maybe it will be different on lin2 since so many more NA people playing. but there wastn even exp loss(at first) when u pvp die in lin 1 and still noone did them, who gonna want to lose exp in this way?? who knows.

    and as far as most powerful guilds not duping/exploiting. yes you are right, once again i forgot one thing. you could aslo be quite powerful NOT cheating, but buying the adena from one of the ebay sales.

    this is a joke really dont get mad, but if you dont do ^^, you gonna have to wait like a year to catch up really, thats a fact.

  • 7Fold7Fold Member Posts: 318

    Everyones knows lineage 2 is a gorgeous game. I think it also gets overlooked in the sound dept. The game just looks and sounds great.

     

    But in this day of age, you cant just go by that. There needs to be more. Theres so MANY of these games out there and are coming out, that people can be picky.

    There just needs to be more Meat in Lineage 2. Player housing, better trade skills.

    In the end what kills it is the gameplay, because they want you to have to slave in order to get to the higher levels to have fun. Alot of people who have been around a long time playing these games are going to stick there nose out at this method.

    Why do you think COH is rated the most popular game right now? Because its fun out the box, Hell i dont think anyone knows what the end games is in COH, and it will loose its luster unless content is added. But people want to have fun out of the box, not have to wait to 50 or so after 100's of hours of gameplay.

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  • DeepgrooveDeepgroove Member Posts: 7

    Misti, you are living in a fantasy world far more removed then the one you play in. You also come off as a know it all about the game when really it is a skewed perspective. I am not flaming but the guilds that are going to take castles and I know this for fact from 2 seperate clans I am in, as well as others we are going to war to have a "friendly fight" with do cheat.  I didn't myself but the guild leaders who work together to later kill the hell out of each other exploited things that are far reaching mere table scrap shop stealing and quest exploits that are common knowledge to even newbies now. The good stuff like in all mmorpgs since the beginning is kept very secret and off forums and websites for examples askchopper from UO days. That site was a joke right there, with minor exploits in comparison to what is truely working and will never be posted for some 14 year old nerd to spread around. No one will know but a few people and even the trusted ones, allowed into the clans/guilds won't know, we just take what we get from the ones who do know, and that which we take is everything and anything available in the game.

    It even saddens me that alot of people are playing so hard to find out they already are beat. We already have everything we need. There is not much to do but wait until we can use it which is right around the corner and changing everyday.  Personally I am sick of the guilds I am in  but I also know that there is no better ones out there with as much money to supply everyone with anything on demand, not to mention successful leadership and skilled players reaching back to the first mmorpg which carried over into every other one until here we stand before lineage 2, ready to do it again.  Even with access to the best of the best whenever needed, the games getting boring for some us.

  • ShagsbeardShagsbeard Member Posts: 71

    Have to agree with the last poster.  The whole genre is plagued by cheaters/exploiters.  Why play in a game if fair play is going to be unrewarded?  In a competative game... L2, DAoC, etc... it's vital that people be made to play fairly.  There should be rewards for excelling, but you shouldn't feel you have to excell to participate.  Unfortuately, in clan vs clan, only those clans who are optimal will be allowed to participate, and most of those clans "cheat".  Even if that cheating is simply sharing accounts so that a single character can be played by more than one person... that's cheating.  I wont join a group that allows it, and that pretty much means I can't play these games anymore.  It's sad really.  If the rules were inforced, and the game was designed to make play enjoyable for all, I'd start up in a second.  But L2 fails on both accounts.

    Oh... yes... it's boring too.

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  • FungKooFungKoo Member Posts: 17

    i don't understand the obsession with graphics. people keep playing games for the gameplay value, not for the pretty graphics. hell, when quake3arena was the bee's knee's of the graphics department even then i turned the settings down a bit, even though i had the components to run it at highest setting. and not just for maxing out my fps. but because when it gets right down to it, q3 did exactly what q1 multiplayer did best - sure you blow the crap out of things and the gore goes flying and it's pretty and cool, but the point of the game was to best your opponent in battle. no bones about it, the game was never intended for anything more than groups of people getting to together to waste the crap out of each other. and the game took a solid belief in itself and THEN made it look pretty.

    i played beta for lin2, and it's like it doesn't have the ability to just be what it is - eye candy and hack and slash. instead, the graphics are half-assed: the scenery is beautiful, but the characters, spells, and equipment are all completely mundane. and the gameplay tries so desperately to convince you that it isn't just hack and slash powergaming that it just feels like the game is lying to you. quake has never lied about just being what it is. but i find mmog after mmog that i try never wants to admit that it is what it is.

    i'm trying out eve right now and it seems to be close to embracing itself, but in some ways it is far too small, and in other ways it is much larger than it needs to be. the KISS rule is always applicable (keep it simple, stupid). don't try to do too much with your game. if you focus on everything, you'll never get it done. if you focus too much on one thing, you'll have an imbalance. but for the love of god - be what you are, and focus on making the game playable. eve is the least interactive game i've ever played, yet it's still playable anyway because it plays to it's strengths. quake is all about interaction because you're only as good as your own ability to play (and i suppose the reliability of your internet connection and your fps :D ), and your own skill improves with experience playing and you play at your ability, not your imaginary character's.

    but lin2... it's just vacant. your character develops, but there's really no trick to being a good player. you point, you click, you're done. yee haw.

    blah, enough ranting.

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  • I had high hopes for this game but alas what a let down.  Yes the graphics are decent, the majority of the quests are mindless, the leveling threadmill is huge.  What 35 million Adena (gold) for one piece of uber armor are they out of their minds!! How many zillion hours of mindless farming is that??

    Same old random mob spawns, nothing new here = boring  Where's the adventure in this game??  The sense of accomplishment, the rewards?

    This game is rittled with exploits and botting, Adena famers and Ebayers galore.  A level playing field in this game , what a joke!!!  There has been tons of complaints about these on their boards from closed beta through the open beta yet they continue to ignore these issues..

    Partying is none existant cause it pays more to solo .. something serious wrong here which in turn is detrimental to the sense of community.

    Bottom line is this is just a rehash .. same old .. been there done that .. a glorified version of Shadowlame without the kewl character customization.  Avoid this game!!

  • MistiMisti Member Posts: 724

    Yeah I agree with what you said in your second post fulmanfu, just because the guild wars are there it doesn't mean anyone will do them or that they will be fun.  I know I probably wouldn't enjoy them if I played too that level simply for the huge exp loss you suffer.  That would quickly make it no fun.

    Cheating is rampant in the game which really sucks too but imo a guild full of good players has no need to cheat to be one of the best.  Whether or not they will or not is another question.

  • FenrirrFenrirr Member Posts: 1

          Well, most of you are saying Lineage II is boring because it's just a pure-leveling, butt-working game with nothing else, but that is not true. Beginning from sometime during the days of the OB, the quests were implemented and they give you from items to experience, and that is a big help on leveling for those who does not like working for their levels.

  • GrettirGrettir Member Posts: 40

    Sadly I had high hopes for L2.

    Lineage2 was a HUGE disappointment for me, its a leveling treadmill at its worst. I can live with long character development but when there is nothing more to the game then leveling your char it pretty much gets borring fast.

    I played a character to 35lvl in the beta, there were only afew items quests you could during 8-19lvl depending on race. After I got so sick and tired of non stop killing I wanted to test the crafting/trading skills of the game, but that meant I had to do more killing to get the materials for the items or buy them of other players.

    Basicly, the interface is horrid, character movement is not good, guild management is bad, chat system is horrid, player run shops are far from perfect, advancement dead borring, grouping system bad and karma system was pretty much silly in the beta.

    I turned Red once and due to attacking a purple player, I casted a spell on him and he turned white before the spell hit. It was a one hit kill and I turned red. Then I had to defend myself from 4 other players killing them and gaining even worse karma status.. so I ended up transfereing my equipment to a friend and did afew suicides to get rid of the karma. That didnt make much sense to me.

    Basicly after three weeks of playing/testing I found the whole game to be distasteful and a huge step backwards for mmrpgs. I have played about every mmrpg on them market, starting with m59 8 years ago. I cant say there is ONE system or idea in Lineage2 that I would like to see in a good mmrpg.

  • DantesDantes Member Posts: 163



    Originally posted by Grettir

    I turned Red once and due to attacking a purple player, I casted a spell on him and he turned white before the spell hit. It was a one hit kill and I turned red. Then I had to defend myself from 4 other players killing them and gaining even worse karma status.. so I ended up transfereing my equipment to a friend and did afew suicides to get rid of the karma. That didnt make much sense to me.



    I agree completely.  Their karma system is ridiculously idiotic.  Many have toted it as "hardcore" but it is far from it.

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  • EnigmaEnigma Member UncommonPosts: 11,384



    Originally posted by Dantes
    I agree completely.  Their karma system is ridiculously idiotic.  Many have toted it as "hardcore" but it is far from it.


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    I agree.  Sadly those with little mmorpg experience thinks the PvP is great.  In truth, its probably the worst 1 and 2nd generaton MMORPG PvP I have ever seen.

    People who have to create conspiracy and hate threads to further a cause lacks in intellectual comprehension of diversity.

  • XionorXionor Member Posts: 36



    Originally posted by higgsboson

    Actually I think it's the other way around. Give a hard look.
    There are simply no way for crap like WoW to compete with L2.
    It takes a lot for WoW to compete with L2.
    1) WoW has absolutely no end game appeal.
    2) The graphics sux really bad. How the hell do you think a game that looks this crappy even dare to compete with L2. Did you give a look at Aden castle? Compare that with the shitty castle of yours.
    3) WoW is too excessively obsessed for it to have more appeal to casual gamers. They don't want hardcore gamers who are the ones paying money, and sticking to the game for long time.
    4) WoW's PvP system is gaayish at the finest.
    5) WoW's only fanbase is in NA and perhaps part of Europe where MMORPG isn't the mainstream.
    6) There are many, many others things but it's waste of time to list them all for a crap like WoW.
     
     



     

    1) What do you mean by end-game appeal?

    2) The Graphics are just great! In overall , the game is very pretty! A LOT of the textures are hand-drawn. It uses DirectX 8.1 , which makes the game availible even for the people with low-end systems!! Not all of us have kick-ass PCs!!! And if you say it looks "cartoony" - It's because Blizzard wanted to keep t he Warcraft atmosphere. If the graphics were different, the "good-old" Warcraft feeling would be somewhat missing.

    3) So you're saying, that a "hardcore" member, will play Lineage 2? As said many times in the topic - LINEAGE 2 SUCKS MY BIG ****!!! I got bored after 5 minutes!!   Nowadays, many "hardcore" gamers, are pure asses , and WoW is trying to get together, a real , friendly community!

    4) WoW is PvM oriented!!!! PvP will be just an option!!! That's why it's competely logical , that the PvP system would suck!!!

    5) WoW has tens of thousands of fans in Europe!!! Just check the member count at http://www.gotwow.net  - And it's the site of Stormcraft , AbyssX , Team 0x90 , Team Python, and others, which are emulating WoW servers!!

    6) WoW is going to be one of the best MMORPGs ever , along with GuildWars and maybe Shadowbane(haven't played it, thats why i say MAYBE) . It has everything - A great story behind it ; A large variety of races and classes ; "Easy to learn and hard to master" ;  Great gameplay , and the best developers , behind it! image

  • EnigmaEnigma Member UncommonPosts: 11,384

    well, WoW really isnt that great (and it certainly ins't the best mmorpg ever..if you think so then u need to play more mmorpgs image)...I mean its good....but its not the best mmorpg Ive played...true its still in beta phase but the things Idont like about the game is stuff they wont change.

    WoW's is good but not "awesome"

    Lineage][ is not good but "stinks"

    I think we'reall just waiting for a mmorpg that wont ever be developed because our expectations can get a little high

    Also, the argument of a mmorpg that has a lot of fans must mean its good sadly is NOT true all the time.  Look at SWG, they had hundreds of thousands of fans eagerly awaiting for this mmorpg.  Some people whohave never played a mmorpg or had no desire to pay to play step out and bought it.  In short, Star Wars Galaxies was a disaster (not in a shadowbane sense) but in terms of many other things.  So having many fans does not necessarily constitute a rock-solid, content-rich, enjoyable mmorpg.

    People who have to create conspiracy and hate threads to further a cause lacks in intellectual comprehension of diversity.

  • ShadowstrikeShadowstrike Member Posts: 62

    well this game had great potiential.. its just the level grind screwed it all up :(

    so sad to see great games go to waste

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