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Have you ever read an EULA for an mmo?

So last night I thought to myself... Does anyone actually read the EULA for a video game?  I thought of the guy who got banned from WoW because he played in China, when he is subbed to the American servers and supposedly it says somewhere in the eula that you can't do that.  I also thought of gold farming.  We all know its bad, but everyone I knew in WoW for the 1 year I played bought gold online.  Back during my SWG time people were selling their jedi accounts left and right, myself included and I don't think anyone got in trouble for it.  So I guess I'm just curious if anyone reads it and actually follows it; or is it just like cops and robbers.... Its ok til you get caught...
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  • GameloadingGameloading Member UncommonPosts: 14,182
    I have hardly ever read an EULA. its basicly the same in most MMORPG's. "Don't cheat, don't sell your account/items/money, behave yourself and play by the rules".
  • AnagethAnageth Member Posts: 2,217
    The only time I ever come close to my game manual is either when I'm installing the game, or if I don't have a newspaper to read. As for the EULA screen before the login, I just hit 'Accept'.

    No longer visiting MMORPG.com.

  • mehhemmehhem Member Posts: 653
    Yea I never have read one either and I didn't think too many people did, except for the small portion of gamers who also happen to be lawyers....
  • DeathstinyDeathstiny Member Posts: 386

    While I have read one before it really is somewhat pointless. I mean you went to the store, paid your $50.00, took the game home, installed it, created an account, subscribed to it with your credit card and then what? you are going to say "I decline" to the EULA and not play the game? .... come on!

    It could say "and I give you guys my first born" and I would still click accept.

  • devils_hymndevils_hymn Member Posts: 322

    i actually read it because you never know if its gonna say somthing like "if you cheat on this game we have the right to sue you for your house and you will give it to us" im afraid of finding that some day

  • DevalonDevalon Member UncommonPosts: 496
    You only need to read one EULA to know them all.



    Mehhem where that icon from? I think I seen it on youtube somewhere. =/

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    "Any free people have the right to choose how it wants to be govern thats the essence of democracy. It's sad when America has chosen for the stability and consistency of a dictatorship and doing it democratically" -utnow

  • Aison2Aison2 Member CommonPosts: 624
    did it in the beginning couse i wanted to know whats in it

    but later on i just accepted



    my way of thinging goes this:

    if noone bitches then its got to be ok



    if there is something nasty inside there will be for sure some people wo will find / feel it

    so we should hear about it

    if we dont hear anything it shall be allright

    Pi*1337/100 = 42

  • ZitchZitch Member Posts: 129

    Yeah I don't think I've ever read one.
    I've skimmed them before, but not what I call reading.

    No more Trivial MMO's, let's get serious "again". Make a world, not a game
    What I listen to :)

  • AelfinnAelfinn Member Posts: 3,857
    I do, every single time I begin a new game.

    No man is an island, entire of itself; every man is a piece of the continent, a part of the main. any man's death diminishes me, because I am involved in mankind, and therefore never send to know for whom the bell tolls; it tolls for thee.
    Hemingway

  • at first no... then I read something about a guy getting 1000$ due to an experiment to see if anyone read the EULA of things... I now scan though them for anything vaguly regarding money
  • SiknnSiknn Member Posts: 3

    The best part of a EULA is the fact that a good portion wont hold up in court. Its just like Nintendo Sony and Microsoft telling you that you cant create backups of your games, even though US law says we can. Its mostly there to mess with people. I read em when im bored 8 )

     

  • RattrapRattrap Member, Newbie CommonPosts: 1,599
    Originally posted by mehhem

    So last night I thought to myself... Does anyone actually read the EULA for a video game?  I thought of the guy who got banned from WoW because he played in China, when he is subbed to the American servers and supposedly it says somewhere in the eula that you can't do that.  I also thought of gold farming.  We all know its bad, but everyone I knew in WoW for the 1 year I played bought gold online.  Back during my SWG time people were selling their jedi accounts left and right, myself included and I don't think anyone got in trouble for it.  So I guess I'm just curious if anyone reads it and actually follows it; or is it just like cops and robbers.... Its ok til you get caught...

    You actually dont get what EULA stands for ?

    It is huge pointless piece of text that can be easilly summed in this few  words :

    If you sign this contract you agree that we can do whatever you want when ever we want. Nothing we do in game, to your user account or even to your computer will ever make us responsible!

    If you say YES you are allowed to play the game.

    If you say NO , you just wasted 50$ for which youy can not get refound...

    What is your choice ?



    "Before this battle is over all the world will know that few...stood against many." - King Leonidas

  • baffbaff Member Posts: 9,457

    The usual choice, click agree and totally ignore anything it says.

    Safe in the knowledge that If they ban me, I can always cancel the payment retrospectively because I paid by card.

  • MeonMeon Member Posts: 993

    I only read EULAs for certain beta games.

  • RouanRouan Member Posts: 25

    Problem with the EULA regarding sold accounts is, if you put it up on auction, they can't prove it's you doing it anyways.  They basically have to say to a GM "Hey I bought this account from some guy" to have anything occur to them.

    And I read the EQ one halfway through before my eyes crossed.  Play nice policy is the better thing to read for the kiddies who like to swear their heads off and grief, heh.

  • KurushKurush Member Posts: 1,303
    Yeah.  Anything in an EULA is meaningless until a court supports it.  That's really why they put it there.  It's not like they're writing a law, but it does lend some minor support to their arguments when a judge is looking at case.  If a judge should ever happen to rule that some of those terms in EULA's hold water, then you have a precedent on your hands which would be very useful to publishers.



    That said, some of these terms just plain contradict with actual written law as expressed by our legislature.  No judge is ever going to abide by some of those terms.  Still, it doesn't hurt publishers to put it there.
  • SigneSigne Member, Newbie CommonPosts: 2,524
    It's sad, though, isn't it?  You have to either read or ignore five or six pages of legal gobbletygook to play a game!   Having fun can be so tedious!
  • olddaddyolddaddy Member Posts: 3,356

    Nope. Basically all the EULA says is that they have the right to cancel my account if I do something they don't like. Big deal. My EULA with them says that I have the right to cancel my account if they do something I don't like. So, basically, we're even. My EULA is just alot shorter, and comes without all the costs they pay attorneys for.

     

     

  • olepiolepi Member EpicPosts: 3,074
    I wonder how much it would cost you to actually take the EULA to a real lawyer and have them scrutinize it? I bet it's at least $300!



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  • OhaanOhaan Member UncommonPosts: 568
    Originally posted by mehhem

    So last night I thought to myself... Does anyone actually read the EULA for a video game?  I thought of the guy who got banned from WoW because he played in China, when he is subbed to the American servers and supposedly it says somewhere in the eula that you can't do that.  I also thought of gold farming.  We all know its bad, but everyone I knew in WoW for the 1 year I played bought gold online.  Back during my SWG time people were selling their jedi accounts left and right, myself included and I don't think anyone got in trouble for it.  So I guess I'm just curious if anyone reads it and actually follows it; or is it just like cops and robbers.... Its ok til you get caught...

    Good thread.

    I've read a couple EULA's but nowadays I just click 'accept'. I know that unless I do something to cause them to lose revenue I'm not going to be on the hook for anything except the account itself.

  • mehhemmehhem Member Posts: 653
    Originally posted by Devalon

    You only need to read one EULA to know them all.



    Mehhem where that icon from? I think I seen it on youtube somewhere. =/
    I can't remember where I got my Natalie Portman pic.
  • mehhemmehhem Member Posts: 653
    Originally posted by olepi

    I wonder how much it would cost you to actually take the EULA to a real lawyer and have them scrutinize it? I bet it's at least $300!



    Olepi
    Hey, I have a cousin in law school.  I'll let her look at one.
  • therain93therain93 Member UncommonPosts: 2,039

    Funny:  http://mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/thread/115313

    I typically read them -- it's a quick skim.  Many people are quick to skip EULAs because tthey say they are pretty standard and/or won't hold up in a court of law but the fact remains, it's worth your while to read them.  Say  you're playing a game and break some rule in it which gets you tossed out.  Okay, now you can't play your game or, if desperate enough, spend more money to open another account.  You've now wasted money (and some amount of time if you have to relevel characters).  OR, say you want to take the publisher to court to get your account back and maybe a bit of compensation.  Now you're out more time (not playing plus, trivial things like this usually take a while to hit the docket) and a LOT more money (because you're paying legal fees.)  Do you think you can put together a class action suit because you broke a questionable rule that others seem to abide by?  Do you think you're going to recoup damages for time lost not playing your game? 

    Dream. On.

    Just read the EULA before clicking accept and so long as you abide by it and don't act like an ass, you can enjoy your game at your leisure.

  • AntipathyAntipathy Member UncommonPosts: 1,362
    >everyone I knew in WoW for the 1 year I played bought gold online



    I'd be interested to see some hard statistics on how many players buy gold. Does not buying gold make me unique and saintly in my virtuousness? Or is it something about you that attracts that kind of person?
  • gillvane1gillvane1 Member, Newbie CommonPosts: 1,503
    Originally posted by mehhem

    Yea I never have read one either and I didn't think too many people did, except for the small portion of gamers who also happen to be lawyers....


    Trust me, they don't read the Eula either. What's the point? If you want to play the game, you have to agree to the Eula, not matter what's in there. Why bother to read it if you want to play?



    Let's say we're talking about your favorite upcoming MMORPG, whether it's Pirates of the Burning Sea, the Burning Crusade expansion, Vanguard, Age of Conan, or Warhammer.



    Is there anyone that's NOT going to play that game because of something they read in the Eula?
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