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No Trial = You wont get my money that way SOE/SIGIL

(sorry no native english)

After all the horrible releases in the last years i am not willing to buy any mmorpg without beeing able to test it for at least 3 days to make sure i am not just a paying Beta tester.

also after reading the postings here and on other boards i am deeply sceptic about this game.

If a company thinks their Game is ready for release then why arent they offering a TRIAL ?? for me that is always very suspecptive. I would gladly pay 50$ if i tested the product before. 3 Days would be enough.

I see many people here Quitting already after 2nd month. That is a bad sign for a fresh released game. Possible new customers like me feel like a Fox ready to step into a Trap.

50$+14.95$ goodbye, dissapointed and frustration. Thats in my opinion a mess and the company that releases games that are still in Beta should be judged by their goverment lawcourts for cheating their customers.


So SIGIL/SOE either you offer a Trial or i wont ever buy and play this game because my hard earned money is worth far more than frustration and dissapointment.







Comments

  • MirrimMirrim Member Posts: 143
    Okay, have fun playing whatever game you choose.

    Mirrim
    Chanter, Spatalos Server

  • PorrsmurfenPorrsmurfen Member Posts: 12

    You vanbois make VG look even worse since you cannot defend the game. You simply do not have anything good to say about it? No wonder people are sceptic.

    Originally posted by Mirrim

    Okay, have fun playing whatever game you choose.
  • PorrsmurfenPorrsmurfen Member Posts: 12

    Is that true? That you have to pay for a month (14.95$ ?) after the free-month (Which ain't really free if so.)

    Originally posted by tuccos

    (sorry no native english) After all the horrible releases in the last years i am not willing to buy any mmorpg without beeing able to test it for at least 3 days to make sure i am not just a paying Beta tester. also after reading the postings here and on other boards i am deeply sceptic about this game. If a company thinks their Game is ready for release then why arent they offering a TRIAL ?? for me that is always very suspecptive. I would gladly pay 50$ if i tested the product before. 3 Days would be enough. I see many people here Quitting already after 2nd month. That is a bad sign for a fresh released game. Possible new customers like me feel like a Fox ready to step into a Trap. 50$+14.95$ goodbye, dissapointed and frustration. Thats in my opinion a mess and the company that releases games that are still in Beta should be judged by their goverment lawcourts for cheating their customers. So SIGIL/SOE either you offer a Trial or i wont ever buy and play this game because my hard earned money is worth far more than frustration and dissapointment.
  • sladey5sladey5 Member Posts: 7

    I am 100% neutral with respect to vanguard.

    I haven't tried the game yet and i have read so many things saying this and that, im not going to believe any of it because opinions are so mixed.

    The only way i can know what its like for sure is to try it for myself. And i would....if they had a trial.

    Its a shame, i really do want to try it but im not going to risk £30 of my money on something i could stop playing after a day

  • Riotact007Riotact007 Member UncommonPosts: 247
    i bought the game without a trial and have been hooked ever since. everything u do in VG feels really involved and long term like u r building towards a better community. the players r great, crafting is awesome fun and not to mention exploring. sure its got a few bugs but i am yet to c anything bad enough to even think about not playing. i have got heaps of my mates into it and they r all hooked too.



    also u have to realise that 99% of posts on this site seem to b negative towards VG which seems to b biased. most have only played the beta and thats it. all the Vanguard players who r enjoying it r on dedicated vanguard forums. i just have some spare time at work. i never judge a movie by its review, an album nor a game. u r correct the only real way is to test it for yourself. there should b a trial and there eventually maybe, i dont know but reading flamers will not get u anywhere.



    by the way mate i bought the collectors and may have a 10 day buddy key left so post your email and u can try it for yourself. no 1 else please i only have the 1 left sorry.
  • Starbright|Starbright| Member Posts: 1
    I agree.



    I have heard lots of things, both good and bad, about Vanguard, and I'd like to try it out myself.



    However: No free trial = me not gambling my money on something I may hate as soon as I install it.
  • SynexisSynexis Member Posts: 37
    Nothing wrong with wanting to try a game before you buy it. Nonetheless, you need to be very careful with regard to the posts you read about any game. People have different tastes and what one person hates, another may really enjoy. Vanguard, in my opinion, is a very fun game. I enjoy playing it a lot. Strictly from a gameplay standpoint, Vanguard is a good game, in my opinion. However, there are plenty of bugs and performance IS a major issue.



    If you want to try a game before you buy it, however, you are limited to those games that offer the free trial. I am sure Vanguard will do so at some point. Nonetheless, you may have to accept the fact that right now there is no free trial (save for buddy keys, but I am not 100% sure how those work; I've never used one). That being the case, you may need to find another game you enjoy and try Vanguard when the free trial becomes available.

    ~Synexis

  • TorakTorak Member Posts: 4,905

    I would "guess" within the next month or so you will see a free trial. SOE seems to let them go at about month 3 or 4.  That is assuming they get some of the holes plugged up in the game.

  • lancebirdlancebird Member Posts: 166

    I really don't get where these people who say there are no serious bugs are coming from..

    When you can die by simply zoning, oh sorry "chunking".. you have a serious bug.

    When people are just randomly losing levels.. you have a serious bug.

    When you just randomly crash to desktop, often along with your entire group, you have a serious bug.

    When you gear can just vanish.. you have a serious bug.

    And there is very little worthwhile content at the moment.  Yes, there is a big world filled with many many monesters.. none of which you'll remember 2 minutes after fighting them.

    There's a reason they're not giving away free trials at the moment, the "casual" MMO player will accept these things far less than the people who have been following the game, and first impressions are the strongest. Go find something else to play for 2 or 3 months, and check back. 

  • herculeshercules Member UncommonPosts: 4,925
    Ask around for a buddy key for 10 days.Every box comes with one.
  • sniper48101sniper48101 Member Posts: 93
    Originally posted by lancebird


    I really don't get where these people who say there are no serious bugs are coming from..
    When you can die by simply zoning, oh sorry "chunking".. you have a serious bug.

    When people are just randomly losing levels.. you have a serious bug.

    When you just randomly crash to desktop, often along with your entire group, you have a serious bug.

    When you gear can just vanish.. you have a serious bug.
    And there is very little worthwhile content at the moment.  Yes, there is a big world filled with many many monesters.. none of which you'll remember 2 minutes after fighting them.
    There's a reason they're not giving away free trials at the moment, the "casual" MMO player will accept these things far less than the people who have been following the game, and first impressions are the strongest. Go find something else to play for 2 or 3 months, and check back. 
    I just find it strange that I've never had any of these happen to me or heard a player in game mention these bugs in your list. Only place I keep hearing about them is on mmorpg.com. Is it possible it only effects mmorpg.com forum haters? If so I'd say those are not bugs they would be more like features.
  • matraquematraque Member Posts: 1,431
    Trials will be available like all mmos.



    Just wait i say.  It's also gonna be more polish when the trial is released.

    eqnext.wikia.com

  • SceptixSceptix Member Posts: 107
    Originally posted by sniper48101

    Originally posted by lancebird


    I really don't get where these people who say there are no serious bugs are coming from..
    When you can die by simply zoning, oh sorry "chunking".. you have a serious bug.

    When people are just randomly losing levels.. you have a serious bug.

    When you just randomly crash to desktop, often along with your entire group, you have a serious bug.

    When you gear can just vanish.. you have a serious bug.
    And there is very little worthwhile content at the moment.  Yes, there is a big world filled with many many monesters.. none of which you'll remember 2 minutes after fighting them.
    There's a reason they're not giving away free trials at the moment, the "casual" MMO player will accept these things far less than the people who have been following the game, and first impressions are the strongest. Go find something else to play for 2 or 3 months, and check back. 
    I just find it strange that I've never had any of these happen to me or heard a player in game mention these bugs in your list. Only place I keep hearing about them is on mmorpg.com. Is it possible it only effects mmorpg.com forum haters? If so I'd say those are not bugs they would be more like features. And i suppose those people on the official tech forums that are playing the game are haters too?



    Damn those tards and their false reports! they are just trying to bring down the game they are paying for cause they are SOE haters!



    Your theory is fascinating and i now see the light and these bitter people trying to destroy a wonderfull product.
  • LordKyellanLordKyellan Member Posts: 160
    Originally posted by lancebird


    I really don't get where these people who say there are no serious bugs are coming from..
    When you can die by simply zoning, oh sorry "chunking".. you have a serious bug.

    When people are just randomly losing levels.. you have a serious bug.

    When you just randomly crash to desktop, often along with your entire group, you have a serious bug.

    When you gear can just vanish.. you have a serious bug.
    And there is very little worthwhile content at the moment.  Yes, there is a big world filled with many many monesters.. none of which you'll remember 2 minutes after fighting them.
    There's a reason they're not giving away free trials at the moment, the "casual" MMO player will accept these things far less than the people who have been following the game, and first impressions are the strongest. Go find something else to play for 2 or 3 months, and check back. 
    I've never died by chunking.

    I've never randomly lost a level.

    I've never randomly crashed to desktop.

    My gear has not vanished.



    Actually, the Spawn of Kojaku that has chased me down a number of times just outside of Tanvu is quite memorable. Raiding the Ra'Jin stronghold with my group made up of healers and DPSers (no tank, no mage) I remember quite well. Bounding across the rooftops in low-gravity was great (if a bit frustrating until we got the hang of it). Hunting down the massive beasts that hang out with the trolls was great fun too (though I don't remember their name off-hand, the creatures themselves have a very clear picture in my mind).



    Admittedly I haven't played more than about 15 hours all total so far, but every bit I've played is quite memorable and lots of fun.



    I blue-screened out once. No error message. I think my computer overheated, as this was before I installed an extra exhaust fan, because Vanguard puts my computer under a LOT of load.



    I understand that it's not for everyone. Useless hate is not helping anyone.



    EDIT: Oh yeah. I played off a 10-day buddy key. That seems like a free trial to me. Yes, it'd be nice if they'd open up an internet-based free trial, but they haven't gotten there yet. Most games don't have one right off the bat. I had to buy World of Warcraft to try it, and I played for 8 months.

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    "Give a man a fire, and he is warm for a day. Set a man on fire, and he is warm for the rest of his life."

  • JackdogJackdog Member UncommonPosts: 6,321

    I would bet they have a free trial before the end of teh month. For those having problems here are a couple of links you might find useful.

    The official tech support forums

    forums.station.sony.com/vg/forums/show.m

    Silky Venoms tech issues forums

    www.silkyvenom.com/forums/forumdisplay.php

     

    I miss DAoC

  • Riotact007Riotact007 Member UncommonPosts: 247
    no he is not denying these things he is simply saying what i said. he has not seen any of these things.

    i have been playing a few hours everyday for a few weeks and i have never died due to lag, never lost xp or items etc and never crashed.

    so we r not saying they dont happen but u must understand the people that these happen to r on here complaining about it. there heaps there do not experience any of these dont usually come on here to say that theres no bugs.

    you only here about the plane that crashes not about the 10 000 000 that dont.



    about 12 of my mates all have the game and yes NONE of them have experienced any of these bugs either.
  • matraquematraque Member Posts: 1,431
    Originally posted by lancebird


    I really don't get where these people who say there are no serious bugs are coming from..
    When you can die by simply zoning, oh sorry "chunking".. you have a serious bug.
    Never happened to me or people in my guild of 20.
    When people are just randomly losing levels.. you have a serious bug.
    Never happened to me or people in my guild of 20.


    When you just randomly crash to desktop, often along with your entire group, you have a serious bug.
    Never happened to me or people in my guild of 20.  You can lose connection to group, but what you are saying... never heard of it.


    When you gear can just vanish.. you have a serious bug.
    Never happened to me or people in my guild of 20.
    And there is very little worthwhile content at the moment.  Yes, there is a big world filled with many many monesters.. none of which you'll remember 2 minutes after fighting them.
    Check out update 1.  What do you mean exactly by content?


    There's a reason they're not giving away free trials at the moment, the "casual" MMO player will accept these things far less than the people who have been following the game, and first impressions are the strongest. Go find something else to play for 2 or 3 months, and check back. 

    eqnext.wikia.com

  • RPGBeechRPGBeech Member Posts: 171
    Originally posted by matraque

    Originally posted by lancebird


    I really don't get where these people who say there are no serious bugs are coming from..
    When you can die by simply zoning, oh sorry "chunking".. you have a serious bug.
    Never happened to me or people in my guild of 20.
    When people are just randomly losing levels.. you have a serious bug.
    Never happened to me or people in my guild of 20.


    When you just randomly crash to desktop, often along with your entire group, you have a serious bug.
    Never happened to me or people in my guild of 20.  You can lose connection to group, but what you are saying... never heard of it.


    When you gear can just vanish.. you have a serious bug.
    Never happened to me or people in my guild of 20.
    And there is very little worthwhile content at the moment.  Yes, there is a big world filled with many many monesters.. none of which you'll remember 2 minutes after fighting them.
    Check out update 1.  What do you mean exactly by content?


    There's a reason they're not giving away free trials at the moment, the "casual" MMO player will accept these things far less than the people who have been following the game, and first impressions are the strongest. Go find something else to play for 2 or 3 months, and check back. 
     For each response that you say it never happened to me or anyone I know, I say great.

    It's wonderful that you are so compassionate and understanding.



    Just realize that for each person who does experience that problem, it puts another nail in the coffin for

    a person who will not subscribe to the game.  The game is already a niche game and the hurdles are

    pretty high to get someone to even try the game.



    But hey, you are having fun what does it matter that 500 or even 900 of the next thousand people who try

    the game find problems they consider gamebreaking.   No skin off your nose.



    Yes, by all means tell prospective customers to go away and check back in three months.   That is

    certainly the kind of recommendation and attitude that would make me want to give it a second try.
  • VaahVaah Member UncommonPosts: 49
    Originally posted by tuccos

    (sorry no native english) After all the horrible releases in the last years i am not willing to buy any mmorpg without beeing able to test it for at least 3 days to make sure i am not just a paying Beta tester. also after reading the postings here and on other boards i am deeply sceptic about this game. If a company thinks their Game is ready for release then why arent they offering a TRIAL ?? for me that is always very suspecptive. I would gladly pay 50$ if i tested the product before. 3 Days would be enough. I see many people here Quitting already after 2nd month. That is a bad sign for a fresh released game. Possible new customers like me feel like a Fox ready to step into a Trap. 50$+14.95$ goodbye, dissapointed and frustration. Thats in my opinion a mess and the company that releases games that are still in Beta should be judged by their goverment lawcourts for cheating their customers. So SIGIL/SOE either you offer a Trial or i wont ever buy and play this game because my hard earned money is worth far more than frustration and dissapointment.
    My opinion on most people like this is that they just want things for free these days.  If you want something, you'll have to fork out the dough for it.  Just like anything out there.  Another pet peeve I have lately related to this statement is that most people are (ab)using beta phase as a play before paying feature.  That's probably why most games that are released are not ready these days.
  • JoriJori Member Posts: 130
    Originally posted by Vaah

    Originally posted by tuccos

    (sorry no native english) After all the horrible releases in the last years i am not willing to buy any mmorpg without beeing able to test it for at least 3 days to make sure i am not just a paying Beta tester. also after reading the postings here and on other boards i am deeply sceptic about this game. If a company thinks their Game is ready for release then why arent they offering a TRIAL ?? for me that is always very suspecptive. I would gladly pay 50$ if i tested the product before. 3 Days would be enough. I see many people here Quitting already after 2nd month. That is a bad sign for a fresh released game. Possible new customers like me feel like a Fox ready to step into a Trap. 50$+14.95$ goodbye, dissapointed and frustration. Thats in my opinion a mess and the company that releases games that are still in Beta should be judged by their goverment lawcourts for cheating their customers. So SIGIL/SOE either you offer a Trial or i wont ever buy and play this game because my hard earned money is worth far more than frustration and dissapointment.
    My opinion on most people like this is that they just want things for free these days.  If you want something, you'll have to fork out the dough for it.  Just like anything out there.  Another pet peeve I have lately related to this statement is that most people are (ab)using beta phase as a play before paying feature.  That's probably why most games that are released are not ready these days. I don't really think this person is asking for free things, as you put it (come on...3 days?). If I have to fork over 65 bucks for a game then I also would like to know that I'm not going to play it for an hour and then end up stashing it in the closet with the other 20+ boxes I have in there. Back in the day when there weren't that many mmorpg's to play you weren't so concerned about wasting a little money. Now there are so many out that you can spend quite a chunk of money on games that you will never play. Or how about people who have to upgrade their computers? I've seen some people saying they upgraded their computers for Vanguard, only to find that when they got the game they still couldn't play it.



    As for the other thing; I think game developers are very aware that people are using beta as a play before pay. I noticed some posts by beta testers (before and after NDA) that said that many of the bugs they reported were never resolved and the testing they did felt almost pointless. I also think game developers use beta as a means to advertise their game (word of mouth).



    Just my 2 cents.
  • qotsaqotsa Member UncommonPosts: 835
    Originally posted by sniper48101

    Originally posted by lancebird


    I really don't get where these people who say there are no serious bugs are coming from..
    When you can die by simply zoning, oh sorry "chunking".. you have a serious bug.

    When people are just randomly losing levels.. you have a serious bug.

    When you just randomly crash to desktop, often along with your entire group, you have a serious bug.

    When you gear can just vanish.. you have a serious bug.
    And there is very little worthwhile content at the moment.  Yes, there is a big world filled with many many monesters.. none of which you'll remember 2 minutes after fighting them.
    There's a reason they're not giving away free trials at the moment, the "casual" MMO player will accept these things far less than the people who have been following the game, and first impressions are the strongest. Go find something else to play for 2 or 3 months, and check back. 
    I just find it strange that I've never had any of these happen to me or heard a player in game mention these bugs in your list. Only place I keep hearing about them is on mmorpg.com. Is it possible it only effects mmorpg.com forum haters? If so I'd say those are not bugs they would be more like features. I haven't seen any of these bugs either. Game runs pretty good for me. Just because there isn't a free trial doesn't mean anything different than any newly released game. If they released a demo already the SOE haters here would be saying, "HAHA free trial already..Vanguard is teh suck. Look they giving it away already."



    I didn't care for the game game  much in beta, but I like it a lot more now.
  • elvenangelelvenangel Member Posts: 2,205
    Originally posted by tuccos

    (sorry no native english) After all the horrible releases in the last years i am not willing to buy any mmorpg without beeing able to test it for at least 3 days to make sure i am not just a paying Beta tester. also after reading the postings here and on other boards i am deeply sceptic about this game. If a company thinks their Game is ready for release then why arent they offering a TRIAL ?? for me that is always very suspecptive. I would gladly pay 50$ if i tested the product before. 3 Days would be enough. I see many people here Quitting already after 2nd month. That is a bad sign for a fresh released game. Possible new customers like me feel like a Fox ready to step into a Trap. 50$+14.95$ goodbye, dissapointed and frustration. Thats in my opinion a mess and the company that releases games that are still in Beta should be judged by their goverment lawcourts for cheating their customers. So SIGIL/SOE either you offer a Trial or i wont ever buy and play this game because my hard earned money is worth far more than frustration and dissapointment.
    I guess you haven't played to many MMO's from the US, unless I've missed a game somewhere none of the US made and marketed MMO's have a free download trial with in the first 3 to 4 or hell even the first year.  Not even WoW did that.   Give it sometime and theyll have a free download trial for 3 days course you're probably like many other supposed 'im so awsome gamer' types here and hate on first sight no matter what.   

    Please Refer to Doom Cat with all conspiracies & evil corporation complaints. He'll give you the simple explination of..WE"RE ALL DOOMED!

  • anarchyartanarchyart Member Posts: 5,378
    Originally posted by Porrsmurfen
    Originally posted by Mirrim

    Okay, have fun playing whatever game you choose.

    You vanbois make VG look even worse since you cannot defend the game. You simply do not have anything good to say about it? No wonder people are sceptic.


    After a kind and rational reply you call the guy a vanboi?? Why should anyone defend Vanguard from someone who wants a trial for a game that has been released for a month? Free trials usually come out at least a year after release. Try some positivity with your next meal.

    Calling someone a Vanboi makes you a namecalling little kid.

    To the O.P., yeah free trials might be in a year or so. Till then try and get a buddy key if you can't afford the game.

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  • JoriJori Member Posts: 130
    Originally posted by elvenangel

    Originally posted by tuccos

    (sorry no native english) After all the horrible releases in the last years i am not willing to buy any mmorpg without beeing able to test it for at least 3 days to make sure i am not just a paying Beta tester. also after reading the postings here and on other boards i am deeply sceptic about this game. If a company thinks their Game is ready for release then why arent they offering a TRIAL ?? for me that is always very suspecptive. I would gladly pay 50$ if i tested the product before. 3 Days would be enough. I see many people here Quitting already after 2nd month. That is a bad sign for a fresh released game. Possible new customers like me feel like a Fox ready to step into a Trap. 50$+14.95$ goodbye, dissapointed and frustration. Thats in my opinion a mess and the company that releases games that are still in Beta should be judged by their goverment lawcourts for cheating their customers. So SIGIL/SOE either you offer a Trial or i wont ever buy and play this game because my hard earned money is worth far more than frustration and dissapointment.
    I guess you haven't played to many MMO's from the US, unless I've missed a game somewhere none of the US made and marketed MMO's have a free download trial with in the first 3 to 4 or hell even the first year.  Not even WoW did that.   Give it sometime and theyll have a free download trial for 3 days course you're probably like many other supposed 'im so awsome gamer' types here and hate on first sight no matter what.    Would it hurt to be a little different? I know Sigil was going for old style, but they have some new stuff in the game, right? Hmmm...talk about pot calling the kettle black with that last sentence you just made.
  • SpeedMannSpeedMann Member UncommonPosts: 333
    There is a ten day trial but i guess you don't have any friends playing that want to give you the key.



    What makes you think this game is so disappointing. If you go into it thinking that right off the bat you probably are going to quit right away.



    If you think is mmo should be 100% playable your mistaken.

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