seeing as u cant find anything on me worth posting i'll asume ur just talkin big... i did infact look back at my posts on this thread and everything i've said is true... if u cant find anything its because there isnt anything...
seriously... if ur gonna try and flame me, u should probably find something to do it with 1st...
i'll make u a deal, if u can find 1 thing i've said that would prove me "wrong" and post it here i will never again post on the Lineage 2 forums here...
Americans on the other hand are the complete opposite... they wont play a game unless is has a customizable interface, tons of character customization and allows u to cap out in 2 weeks with no risk of PK'ers
Americans on the other hand are the complete opposite... they wont play a game unless is has a customizable interface, tons of character customization and allows u to cap out in 2 weeks with no risk of PK'ers
Loser
didnt we already conclude that ur a complete moron like 2 pages ago?... ur the "Congratulations, you're a faggot" kid arent u?... once again, a sad one liner flame that gives a whole new meaning to lame flames...
just incase u didnt know, what i stated there is practically 100% true and anybody who knows ANYTHING about how MMORPG's work will tell u this...
Korean and American MMORPG's r completely different and this is one of the main ways how...
come back here after u've played a few MMORPG's and learned to come up with a descent flame kid...
edit: oh btw, en1gma... almost an hour later and nothin from u... think i've proven my point
Americans on the other hand are the complete opposite... they wont play a game unless is has a customizable interface, tons of character customization and allows u to cap out in 2 weeks with no risk of PK'ers
Loser
didnt we already conclude that ur a complete moron like 2 pages ago?... ur the "Congratulations, you're a faggot" kid arent u?... once again, a sad one liner flame that gives a whole new meaning to lame flames...
just incase u didnt know, what i stated there is practically 100% true and anybody who knows ANYTHING about how MMORPG's work will tell u this...
Korean and American MMORPG's r completely different and this is one of the main ways how...
come back here after u've played a few MMORPG's and learned to come up with a descent flame kid...
edit: oh btw, en1gma... almost an hour later and nothin from u... think i've proven my point
On that I do agree that korean and american mmorpg's are different because they expect things differently. I just made this thread for my opinion of the game.
Americans on the other hand are the complete opposite... they wont play a game unless is has a customizable interface, tons of character customization and allows u to cap out in 2 weeks with no risk of PK'er
A customizable screen is good lol...you're not gonna buy a car with two seats and a eight track player if, for the same price, you can get a car with plush leather seats, moonroof, XM radio, 16 interchangeable CD rack.
Wont play because of lack of character customizations?? You HAVE TO BE KIDDING ME. Take gander at the dawrf race in lineage ][ they all look the same. The girls all look the same with like 4 different hair styles. there's no custmization there. Who in the world would want to play on a virtual online world with 1000s others when the virtual difference between the players are the clothes they're wearing?
Risk of no Pker? Im all for PvP....matter of fact, I love it. The PvP in Lineage ][ is a complete and utter joke. Yeah yeah yeah, its cool to take out someone then LOG OUT INSTANTLY when u realize you may be killed by another player whos trying to kill you cause your red.
People who have to create conspiracy and hate threads to further a cause lacks in intellectual comprehension of diversity.
... like it or not what i posted there is pretty much the way it works... if u have ever played an american MMORPG then played a Korean MMORPG u will see what i mean...
Korean MMO's have hardly any customization, non-customizable interfaces, big level grinds and hardcore PvP while American games r pretty much the opposite...
its just 2 different cultures wanting 2 different things out of their games...
edit: oh btw, en1gma... almost an hour later and nothin from u... think i've proven my point
Most people do work for a living. I pretty much know you are a teenager with that stupid "na na na you arent talking so that must mean I got ya" comment. I tend to post on my lunch break...If I dont respond to a stupid post I either:
A. Ignore the person
B. Am away from my computer
I was away from my computer....now go play now as I am done with this thread...
People who have to create conspiracy and hate threads to further a cause lacks in intellectual comprehension of diversity.
2 pages and nothing at all is posted about the game, just trying to prove each other wrong. What a laugh.
I think the post about
Originally posted by BigPeeler
Americans on the other hand are the complete opposite... they wont play a game unless is has a customizable interface, tons of character customization and allows u to cap out in 2 weeks with no risk of PK'ers
should cover that bit about what proof you needed to be proven wrong. So well stop posting =P
General statements like that arn't exactly proven facts, so without any real EVIDENCE to back that up, which leaves it as undecided, basicaly saying that there is no relation between the games Americans and Koreans play BASED ON the features you listed. So due to lack of facts, that statement isn't correct, and thus YOU are not correct. Not to mention I could find you MANY exceptions to those rules based on fellow players I know and their gaming histories.
Oh yeah, please please please for the love of god, quote me. I just love watching these 'quote' battles. And the quoting's of the quotes of the quotes. Aww how grand those are.
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------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Dracius-Saberi-Static "With every post, I lose just a little bit more of my sanity." -Dracius
Well Lineage 2 let me down more than any game this year, Why? Because it was the one game that offerered open ended pvp. I was really drawn to this, and i have followed it all the way to beta. I tried to like it, i really did. They got some stuff right, i mean the graphics are sweet as can be. And the sounds are nice as well.
Lineage lacks on gameplay real bad. Where as in COH, you have missions combat is fun, lineage 2 grinds down to boring repeat, rinse, repeat rinse. And yet alot of games have a grind, but at least make it worthwhile. The great thing about Lineage 2, unlike COH is Lineage 2 offers a great end game. PVP sieges..... But if you have a life its really hard to get there. 75 top level, and after 15 it really started coming to a chug.
THere does need to more models. Really if you guys have ever tried COH? The character creation screen? Thats the future? They have set the benchmark, that all other games will be judged by.
Exploiters and Bots. Hehe, its really out of hand. Just do some searches on ebay. Heck go to to Lineage2.com and read what only the paying customers that are allowed to post are saying. Every other thread is. "BAN ASIAN ISPS"
I would like to see North American Lineage 2 subscribers numbers? I have seen alot of posts that some of the servers are ghost towns. We all know though that the Koreans will keep this game alive nm what.
All and all though, i dont usally rant and rave so much about a game, who cares right? Its just while alot of people where looking forward to WoW or EQ2, this game and its open ended pvp was the one i had high hopes for.
I would agree the game is not good but not only on this basis.
1. Bots infestation.
2. farmers
3. Asian Players infestation, when surely the demand would be met in asia for server if there, yet they swarm US servers for farming and botting and ks'in and no sign on Asian IP bans. no reason for asian players on us servers based on asia having em.
4. GM's prioritize petitions and totally ignore others. When you do reach one they are usless and condone cheating/exploiting.
5. NCsoft - have a billing conn going on, when you cancel your subscription you are ment to still be able to log in till your current one expires but that is not the case. your account gets deactivated and you have enter your CC details again. This means you can easily be charged for a mth at time expiration if you are not careful. in my book FRAUD.
6. NCsoft give no support via website, i have a 7day outstanding submission which their turnaround is ment to be at 1working day.
7. NCsoft do not give patch notes, and all aouncements for downtime and annoucnements are not professional.
8. NCsoft show no answer to constant questions about botting, farmers, exploiting and are left for GM's in forums to be punch bags when they are usless they act like a cushion.
9. PvP/PK is flawed, latency can account for you killing someone who is purple but becasue of latency they are white to server.
10. On a positive the game had good potential, great graphics, gameplay and exp system, and the community ignoring the obvious is on a whole good.
Dracius, im not gonna go quoting u and all but i do gotta say that if u have played as many Korean and American MMO's as i have u would also notice this trend... u want proof? just look at some of the biggest name Korean MMORPGs and then compare them to the biggest name American MMORPG's and there's proof enough...
why do u think they made Trammel in UO?...
no matter where u come from... no matter where u are now... no matter where ur going... its all about the EXP
BigPeeler, I do agree a lot with what you had said about the different playing style for American and Korean. I do hate Lineage2 but I can understand why Korean love it so much. The reason it is doing okey in the US is because there lots of Korean and other Asian in the US who like it. Most western people might hate Lineage2, simply because of the bad community and the high numbers of American haters. Lineage2 is about grinding, with bad PvP system and the castle sieage which you need to be lvl 40 to participate. The gameplay and combat system may be to shallow for Americans. I don't agree with you when you said that american like to cap lvl in 2 weeks. EQ does take a long time to lvl but Americans like. Americans like a great charactor cutomization to show their personality, Deep complex gameplay for different strategies and playing style, guild vs guild, and a friendly community. Asian might like long grinding to show their dedication, simply gameplay and skills system, and hardcore PvP. Basiclly We all like different kind of style in mmorpg.
I can see the grind and even the boring points of view as both are present at times imo but saying the skill system is simple or limited seems pretty inaccurate.
I dont know what standard you would compare it to but as far as mmorpgs go there arent many that give you a larger number and variety of skills than L2 offers in the late middle to high end game.
Many of the most varied, powerful, and strategic skills dont come till your in your last class change (level 40+) so many people that tried and quit dont really know how it developes. Even in the late 20s and throughout the 30s a great many diverse skills start to pop up.
Grinding through the first 25 levels or so with only a few skills understandable leads people to the limited skills idea though.
But it is simple and limited, the game cleary shows the one who farms the most and has the better item is the better player.
It might be an asian thing, Final Fantasy XI is not a korean game last time I checked and the the grind is bad there.
Everquest leveling was also bad and if my information is correct ITS NOT a korean game.
And the reason why I quit was not just because of the grind, It'll be stupid to restate the same crap... so just read the third or fourth post from this one.
If your saying the game its self is simple and limited thats totally another subject (and one I might even agree with ), I was only speaking of the skill system being pretty varied at higher levels.
-Is it so bad, then, to be misunderstood? Pythagoras was misunderstood, and Socrates, and Jesus, and Luther, and Copernicus, and Galileo, and Newton, and every pure and wise spirit that ever took flesh. To be great is to be misunderstood. -Emerson
Explorer 80% Achiever 60% Socializer 33% Killer 26%
I loved Lineage 2 and was very addicted to it, for all of about 2 weeks in open beta. The jobchange at level 20 was what motivated me to put up with the level grind, but once I hit 20 and became a Dark Wizard and found that not much had changed, I stopped playing. I must say though, I never enjoyed soloing in a game as much as I did in L2--I usually hate soloing and have no patience for it. If grouping was easier/more efficient and the grind was a little more bearable, I'd probably be playing L2 right now and telling you all how awesome it is.
In fact, I kinda miss L2. Too bad I'd have to pay $50 to give it another try now.
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I loved Lineage 2 and was very addicted to it, for all of about 2 weeks in open beta. The jobchange at level 20 was what motivated me to put up with the level grind, but once I hit 20 and became a Dark Wizard and found that not much had changed, I stopped playing. I must say though, I never enjoyed soloing in a game as much as I did in L2--I usually hate soloing and have no patience for it. If grouping was easier/more efficient and the grind was a little more bearable, I'd probably be playing L2 right now and telling you all how awesome it is. - Yes, it takes time to level up your character, but when your in a group with decent people it makes up for it
In fact, I kinda miss L2. Too bad I'd have to pay $50 to give it another try now. - Same here. I'm about to buy the game and give it another shot.
Farming: ROTFLMAO, what is your problem here? just ignore it. It really ain't that hard.
PK "experience loss". I follow you there. I'd get pretty anoyed if I had to do 2hours of mob killing all over because of a potato head, and thats life in L2?- But the thrill of getting killed - have to watch your back - is what gives this game a kick EVERY OTHER MMORPG MISS because of the American way? LMOA! Don't be carebears - if you are, find another game, that to ain't that hard -
In all this is a great game if you look beside the "minor faults", thats probably gonna be corrected, if not, I really don't care.
I just wanna say thanks flamers/haters, you made me wanna buy and play this game, because what you hate/flame about it is absolutetly nothing. And I really laugh when I see you get THAT upset? irritated? because of that. You hate the "flaws" that much? hell, don't play it.
Enjoy the the game instead of all the anger/irritation or whatever.
Comments
seeing as u cant find anything on me worth posting i'll asume ur just talkin big... i did infact look back at my posts on this thread and everything i've said is true... if u cant find anything its because there isnt anything...
seriously... if ur gonna try and flame me, u should probably find something to do it with 1st...
i'll make u a deal, if u can find 1 thing i've said that would prove me "wrong" and post it here i will never again post on the Lineage 2 forums here...
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didnt we already conclude that ur a complete moron like 2 pages ago?... ur the "Congratulations, you're a faggot" kid arent u?... once again, a sad one liner flame that gives a whole new meaning to lame flames...
just incase u didnt know, what i stated there is practically 100% true and anybody who knows ANYTHING about how MMORPG's work will tell u this...
Korean and American MMORPG's r completely different and this is one of the main ways how...
come back here after u've played a few MMORPG's and learned to come up with a descent flame kid...
edit: oh btw, en1gma... almost an hour later and nothin from u... think i've proven my point
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What a loser
didnt we already conclude that ur a complete moron like 2 pages ago?... ur the "Congratulations, you're a faggot" kid arent u?... once again, a sad one liner flame that gives a whole new meaning to lame flames...
just incase u didnt know, what i stated there is practically 100% true and anybody who knows ANYTHING about how MMORPG's work will tell u this...
Korean and American MMORPG's r completely different and this is one of the main ways how...
come back here after u've played a few MMORPG's and learned to come up with a descent flame kid...
edit: oh btw, en1gma... almost an hour later and nothin from u... think i've proven my point
On that I do agree that korean and american mmorpg's are different because they expect things differently. I just made this thread for my opinion of the game.
~Luegara~
~Luegara~
*The Ultimate Beta Tester*
A customizable screen is good lol...you're not gonna buy a car with two seats and a eight track player if, for the same price, you can get a car with plush leather seats, moonroof, XM radio, 16 interchangeable CD rack.
Wont play because of lack of character customizations?? You HAVE TO BE KIDDING ME. Take gander at the dawrf race in lineage ][ they all look the same. The girls all look the same with like 4 different hair styles. there's no custmization there. Who in the world would want to play on a virtual online world with 1000s others when the virtual difference between the players are the clothes they're wearing?
Risk of no Pker? Im all for PvP....matter of fact, I love it. The PvP in Lineage ][ is a complete and utter joke. Yeah yeah yeah, its cool to take out someone then LOG OUT INSTANTLY when u realize you may be killed by another player whos trying to kill you cause your red.
People who have to create conspiracy and hate threads to further a cause lacks in intellectual comprehension of diversity.
... like it or not what i posted there is pretty much the way it works... if u have ever played an american MMORPG then played a Korean MMORPG u will see what i mean...
Korean MMO's have hardly any customization, non-customizable interfaces, big level grinds and hardcore PvP while American games r pretty much the opposite...
its just 2 different cultures wanting 2 different things out of their games...
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I play lineage 2 and i must put at end at this american-we-are-better-than-anyone-else thing
Things are,i played UO,EQ,Shadowbanes(yes),DAoC,FF11 and Horizons.Now i play lineage 2.
And god,it DO NOT sucks.This is my opinion,you have your.
I just can't wait for the day that peeps realise that their truths is not THE truth.
The social man lives in the opinions of the others,therefor he definites his life in their jugments.
The social man lives in the opinions of the others,therefor he define his existence in their jugments.
Just stop fighting... this is pointless...
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By powergaming in an rpg games you are forgotting the true
essence of the rpg : Role. Playing. Game.
~Luegara~
~Luegara~
*The Ultimate Beta Tester*
edit: oh btw, en1gma... almost an hour later and nothin from u... think i've proven my point
Most people do work for a living. I pretty much know you are a teenager with that stupid "na na na you arent talking so that must mean I got ya" comment. I tend to post on my lunch break...If I dont respond to a stupid post I either:
A. Ignore the person
B. Am away from my computer
I was away from my computer....now go play now as I am done with this thread...
People who have to create conspiracy and hate threads to further a cause lacks in intellectual comprehension of diversity.
i work too u know, i know how it works... but its not like i responded like 3 days later...
fact is u still got nothin...
no matter where u come from... no matter where u are now... no matter where ur going... its all about the EXP
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LMFAO.
You are all cracking me up. Especialy bigpeeler.
2 pages and nothing at all is posted about the game, just trying to prove each other wrong. What a laugh.
I think the post about
Originally posted by BigPeeler
Americans on the other hand are the complete opposite... they wont play a game unless is has a customizable interface, tons of character customization and allows u to cap out in 2 weeks with no risk of PK'ers
should cover that bit about what proof you needed to be proven wrong. So well stop posting =P
General statements like that arn't exactly proven facts, so without any real EVIDENCE to back that up, which leaves it as undecided, basicaly saying that there is no relation between the games Americans and Koreans play BASED ON the features you listed. So due to lack of facts, that statement isn't correct, and thus YOU are not correct. Not to mention I could find you MANY exceptions to those rules based on fellow players I know and their gaming histories.
Oh yeah, please please please for the love of god, quote me. I just love watching these 'quote' battles. And the quoting's of the quotes of the quotes. Aww how grand those are.
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With every post I lose just a little bit more of my sanity.
Peace,
Dracius
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Dracius-Saberi-Static
"With every post, I lose just a little bit more of my sanity." -Dracius
Well Lineage 2 let me down more than any game this year, Why? Because it was the one game that offerered open ended pvp. I was really drawn to this, and i have followed it all the way to beta. I tried to like it, i really did. They got some stuff right, i mean the graphics are sweet as can be. And the sounds are nice as well.
Lineage lacks on gameplay real bad. Where as in COH, you have missions combat is fun, lineage 2 grinds down to boring repeat, rinse, repeat rinse. And yet alot of games have a grind, but at least make it worthwhile. The great thing about Lineage 2, unlike COH is Lineage 2 offers a great end game. PVP sieges..... But if you have a life its really hard to get there. 75 top level, and after 15 it really started coming to a chug.
THere does need to more models. Really if you guys have ever tried COH? The character creation screen? Thats the future? They have set the benchmark, that all other games will be judged by.
Exploiters and Bots. Hehe, its really out of hand. Just do some searches on ebay. Heck go to to Lineage2.com and read what only the paying customers that are allowed to post are saying. Every other thread is. "BAN ASIAN ISPS"
I would like to see North American Lineage 2 subscribers numbers? I have seen alot of posts that some of the servers are ghost towns. We all know though that the Koreans will keep this game alive nm what.
All and all though, i dont usally rant and rave so much about a game, who cares right? Its just while alot of people where looking forward to WoW or EQ2, this game and its open ended pvp was the one i had high hopes for.
I would agree the game is not good but not only on this basis.
1. Bots infestation.
2. farmers
3. Asian Players infestation, when surely the demand would be met in asia for server if there, yet they swarm US servers for farming and botting and ks'in and no sign on Asian IP bans. no reason for asian players on us servers based on asia having em.
4. GM's prioritize petitions and totally ignore others. When you do reach one they are usless and condone cheating/exploiting.
5. NCsoft - have a billing conn going on, when you cancel your subscription you are ment to still be able to log in till your current one expires but that is not the case. your account gets deactivated and you have enter your CC details again. This means you can easily be charged for a mth at time expiration if you are not careful. in my book FRAUD.
6. NCsoft give no support via website, i have a 7day outstanding submission which their turnaround is ment to be at 1working day.
7. NCsoft do not give patch notes, and all aouncements for downtime and annoucnements are not professional.
8. NCsoft show no answer to constant questions about botting, farmers, exploiting and are left for GM's in forums to be punch bags when they are usless they act like a cushion.
9. PvP/PK is flawed, latency can account for you killing someone who is purple but becasue of latency they are white to server.
10. On a positive the game had good potential, great graphics, gameplay and exp system, and the community ignoring the obvious is on a whole good.
zippy
Dracius, im not gonna go quoting u and all but i do gotta say that if u have played as many Korean and American MMO's as i have u would also notice this trend... u want proof? just look at some of the biggest name Korean MMORPGs and then compare them to the biggest name American MMORPG's and there's proof enough...
why do u think they made Trammel in UO?...
no matter where u come from... no matter where u are now... no matter where ur going... its all about the EXP
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BigPeeler, I do agree a lot with what you had said about the different playing style for American and Korean. I do hate Lineage2 but I can understand why Korean love it so much. The reason it is doing okey in the US is because there lots of Korean and other Asian in the US who like it. Most western people might hate Lineage2, simply because of the bad community and the high numbers of American haters. Lineage2 is about grinding, with bad PvP system and the castle sieage which you need to be lvl 40 to participate. The gameplay and combat system may be to shallow for Americans. I don't agree with you when you said that american like to cap lvl in 2 weeks. EQ does take a long time to lvl but Americans like. Americans like a great charactor cutomization to show their personality, Deep complex gameplay for different strategies and playing style, guild vs guild, and a friendly community. Asian might like long grinding to show their dedication, simply gameplay and skills system, and hardcore PvP. Basiclly We all like different kind of style in mmorpg.
I can see the grind and even the boring points of view as both are present at times imo but saying the skill system is simple or limited seems pretty inaccurate.
I dont know what standard you would compare it to but as far as mmorpgs go there arent many that give you a larger number and variety of skills than L2 offers in the late middle to high end game.
Many of the most varied, powerful, and strategic skills dont come till your in your last class change (level 40+) so many people that tried and quit dont really know how it developes. Even in the late 20s and throughout the 30s a great many diverse skills start to pop up.
Grinding through the first 25 levels or so with only a few skills understandable leads people to the limited skills idea though.
But it is simple and limited, the game cleary shows the one who farms the most and has the better item is the better player.
It might be an asian thing, Final Fantasy XI is not a korean game last time I checked and the the grind is bad there.
Everquest leveling was also bad and if my information is correct ITS NOT a korean game.
And the reason why I quit was not just because of the grind, It'll be stupid to restate the same crap... so just read the third or fourth post from this one.
Yes that's true
-Is it so bad, then, to be misunderstood? Pythagoras was misunderstood, and Socrates, and Jesus, and Luther, and Copernicus, and Galileo, and Newton, and every pure and wise spirit that ever took flesh. To be great is to be misunderstood. -Emerson
Explorer 80%
Achiever 60%
Socializer 33%
Killer 26%
People who have to create conspiracy and hate threads to further a cause lacks in intellectual comprehension of diversity.
I loved Lineage 2 and was very addicted to it, for all of about 2 weeks in open beta. The jobchange at level 20 was what motivated me to put up with the level grind, but once I hit 20 and became a Dark Wizard and found that not much had changed, I stopped playing. I must say though, I never enjoyed soloing in a game as much as I did in L2--I usually hate soloing and have no patience for it. If grouping was easier/more efficient and the grind was a little more bearable, I'd probably be playing L2 right now and telling you all how awesome it is.
In fact, I kinda miss L2. Too bad I'd have to pay $50 to give it another try now.
Vendor buy us all a decent MMORPG bank guards recdu recsu
Vendor buy us all a decent MMORPG bank guards recdu recsu