Originally posted by Semiel The main criteria for a MMORPG is massive and persistent. Will you have great battles with 100+ participants? Will the whole world state be persistent? As far as my limited knowledge goes, both are NO... But feel free to enlighten me WoW and GW do not compete IMHO.
Well if you are saying that all the world has to be persistant then Ao (mission system is instance) /EQ (NDoN is instance) /DAoC (this dec with catacombs is instance)/WoW (RvR is instance as are the epic dungeons) are all not MMoRPG's then. Sorry but your wrong here as GW will have a persistant area of the world just like every other MMoRPG where people will meet before rolling there quests or battles. These are the same instance areas as other games have that are considered MMoRPG's.
You say WoW and GW are not both MMoRPGs yet WoW has instance dungeons and there RvR is going to be instance as well just like GW's quests.
As for the 100+ people battles yes GW will have them why do you think its called Guild Wars? Maybe because entire guilds will be able to have epic battles?
But your right about one thing WoW and GW don't compete as WoW will cost a monthly subscription and GW doesn't. Hands down they don't compete as GW comes out clearly on top.
Originally posted by colombdawg Let me vary it down for all of you because I think it'll be easier to understand WoW: 15 bucks a month GW: Free Okay I'm done...lol
You: Wrong.
Now I'm done. "lol".
Gnarled is right your incorrect..
WoW is going to be $49.99 plus 14.95 a month not 15. Plus about $40 for expantions.
GW will be $49.99 plus free to play online. Plus about the same as WoW for expantions.
I did the AO beta and played it on release, so I know what you are trying to say. Of course not the whole game has to be persistant. The missions in AO were not really that important to the game (and were crap bye the way ). The main game has to be persistant. I am sure sure you understood what I was trying to say, but just didnt want to . Ask yourself, is the gameplay more like D2 or UO.
About the the massive, I really dont know because I am a pretty newbie to the game. If its gonna be 100+ instance game or 100+ on the same screen, but 2000 on the server that makes a whole lot of difference to me...
Hi, new here. I spend tons of time over at worldofwar.net, and have noticed GW looking very very nice. I am fans of both games but the more I look in to GW the better it sounds.
I am looking forward to the open testing during E3 and about 20 of my WoW guildmates will be too.
I think if GW were to surpass WoW, it would take time, simply because Blizzard has such a large loyal following, for good reason. They come with a giant group of initial buyers. Being new on the block, and without as much PR going on, GW will need to grow, and word will need to spread. Of course, coming out before WoW doesn't hurt either. The real test will be during WoW's release.
I read through this thread and I'll ad my 2 cents to the main issue at hand. First let's re-state that GW is not free, but is cheaper than other major MMORPGs. They are hoping to be successful enough to have their expansions sell well, rather than charge the monthly fee. Wise move.
So they attract new players by offering "hey no fee!" Then we can all play the game and see if we like it. If we do, then we have no probleming paying for a good expansion.
Thing is, the difference isn't that big really though, as others have shown through the math. You either pay 12 bucks for 6 months, or pay 50 bucks after 6 months. So yes, GW will be cheaper, but it's far from free. I just happen to like the freedom of not having to pay a monthly fee.
Also, this bush has been beaten around, but GW is sort of a mix between several genres (kudos to that). If you have read up some, you can tell that GW will be heavily instanced. So much less of the world will be 'consistant.' Yes some will, and enough to socialize and so forth, but not nearly as much as a gigantic game like WoW or EQ with thousands of people sitting in one consistant world. Therefore, you must imagine this brings the cost (bandwith, bug fixes, lag problems) way down.
Therefore, my theory is that since GW is sorta a mix between WoW and D2 (regarding servers, and instances), that the lower total cost for GW is clearly explained. This also explains why Battlenet was a free service (while still not totally free for Blizzard, but cheap enough to offer free). A bigger game with more persistant world content is going to cost a lot more. GW has sorta split down the middle, if you will, in both terms of persistant world, and price.
In the end, I think both games will offer a great experience. Right now, I happen to be very gung-ho over GW, and admire their desire to walk off the beaten path.
Originally posted by Semiel I did the AO beta and played it on release, so I know what you are trying to say. Of course not the whole game has to be persistant. The missions in AO were not really that important to the game (and were crap bye the way). The main game has to be persistant. I am sure sure you understood what I was trying to say, but just didnt want to . Ask yourself, is the gameplay more like D2 or UO. About the the massive, I really dont know because I am a pretty newbie to the game. If its gonna be 100+ instance game or 100+ on the same screen, but 2000 on the server that makes a whole lot of difference to me...
Accually I understand 100% what you were trying to say but what you might not know is in AO all people do is roll missions for exp. No one goes out and gets exp just out in the land. In AO all rare's are dropped by mission bosses which makes missions the only thing people want to do.
EQ is now the same way people sit outside NDoN now form up groups and then get instance dungeons so that they can get the points after to buy great items for themselves.
So I see what your saying but your not seeing what I am saying. Most current MMoRPG's are now turning to the exact same idea that GW is building the game around. Everyone will be rolling missions the same as everyone does already in other MMoRPG's.
Gw is going to be free? Anyway, I think gw is going to beat WoW hands down. First, gw is free, I just learned this, :O, but anyways... WoW seems ok, but screenies show a very cute side to it... I haven't read up much about GW, which is why I had no idea it ahd no fee monthly. I think that might kill them over the long run though, they will have TONS of people, but if they dont make cash monthly then its kind of pointless, people will make tons of accounts, figure out how they can dual log, and make the servers soo laggy that no one will be able to play, thats why, in conclusion I think gw might have to be at least a yearly fee... but gw still wins, just from screenies and character classes, yay
Well it won't load there server much at all since all there instance areas are not run off there servers which takes all the load off them. The only servers they need to worry about are the ones running the persistant world city. As for people having duel login you have to have a registed key to log in and that key can only be logged in 1 time just like any other MMoRPG not sure how they would duel login. But even if they do unless they just sit in the city its not going to load there servers.
You argue that there is no rate......, yet the community manager even tells you that expansions are to be released every 6-9 months.
How do you know that this will not function as a "compound" rate:
(Meaning 60$-80$ expansions)
How do you know that they will not make the expansions indispensable (saw this argument in a previous post) ?
(By indispensable I mean not that it would be impossible to play, but that the added features would be crucial for PVP effectiveness, which is the heart of the game)
In any case, guild wars will not be free after the initial payment if we assume that expansions will be released annually.
My money is still on GW, since I prefer the absence of a tread-mill and strategic game play.
Oh yeah.... btw... just want to help those people that suffer from pedantic, unemployed, pedagogues (j/k don't mean you gnarled.... or do I ):
(No offense to gnarled, crowen etc., this is just a jest.....a pun.... don't get offended..... or be offended... or even be at all)
I intend the following list as a means of aid (not criticism) for the grammatically challenged (I belong to this set myself ):
Here are a lot of common spelling errors:
incorrect correct
alot a lot
your (to be, 2nd singular) you're
definate definite
expence expense
there (poss adj) their (poss adj) (their soup, their dog)
their (to be, third plural) they're (to be, third plural)
persistant persistent
duel (adjective) dual (adjective)
dual (noun) duel (noun)
blah im already bored....
uhhh... yeah.... this list could go on ad infinitum so
hope this helps you quasi-fluent english people
(again no criticism just some help)
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This is a sequence of characters intended to produce some profound mental effect, but it has failed.
Now I know you aren't talking about my grammar or diction, son, or you better go back and read again.
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there wasn't a hint of diction (diction means your CHOICE of words) there ..... you can choose your words the way you'd like.. actually the only thing that was referring to you was the pedantic, pedagogical part.
I feel honored to be called your son, considering that I am a 6 ' 300 lb, bearded, bowling ball of a man and "one hell of a model american" (even though I'm not american... spiritually anyway) .
Just don't let me catch you in a dark alley with a full wallet. (You'll learn why im posting on this forum instead of playing )
"That's not a toy. Hey wait a minute. Don't f* around homey you can lose an eye with it. That's mah double-blade-razorwhip-chop-jimmy and it's mine mf*er so gimme gimme." -ICP Toy Box Riddle Box
This is a sequence of characters intended to produce some profound mental effect, but it has failed.
Oh, I read your post. And this sentence preceded your little primer:
(No offense to gnarled, crowen etc., this is just a jest.....a pun.... don't get offended..... or be offended... or even be at all)
So what was I to assume ? Oh, and I might only tip in at 205, but Im certainly not round, I'm Canadian, and I'll meetcha in an alley anytime you want, I can use that (still) full wallet to buy you a beer. . . I was using "son" in a southern state patrol sort of way, sorry if you took offence. . .
I think I do okay with my arguments, call them pedantic if you must, but consider the audience. And lastly, your entire post was: a) a repeat of my earlier argument regarding fees, then b) a grammar lesson, preceded itself by enough apologies that you must have know there would be a reaction.
Now who's the pedagogue ? Bueller. . . .Bueller .. .
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Originally posted by //\//\oo Wow, cool thread Scanned through all of the posts leading to prev. Want to dispel a myth: Total Cost = game cost + (expansion cost) * t You argue that there is no rate......, yet the community manager even tells you that expansions are to be released every 6-9 months. How do you know that this will not function as a "compound" rate: (Meaning 60$-80$ expansions) How do you know that they will not make the expansions indispensable (saw this argument in a previous post) ? (By indispensable I mean not that it would be impossible to play, but that the added features would be crucial for PVP effectiveness, which is the heart of the game) In any case, guild wars will not be free after the initial payment if we assume that expansions will be released annually. My money is still on GW, since I prefer the absence of a tread-mill and strategic game play. Oh yeah.... btw... just want to help those people that suffer from pedantic, unemployed, pedagogues (j/k don't mean you gnarled.... or do I ): (No offense to gnarled, crowen etc., this is just a jest.....a pun.... don't get offended..... or be offended... or even be at all) I intend the following list as a means of aid (not criticism) for the grammatically challenged (I belong to this set myself ): Here are a lot of common spelling errors: incorrect correct alot a lot your (to be, 2nd singular) you're definate definite expence expense there (poss adj) their (poss adj) (their soup, their dog) their (to be, third plural) they're (to be, third plural) persistant persistent duel (adjective) dual (adjective) dual (noun) duel (noun) blah im already bored.... uhhh... yeah.... this list could go on ad infinitum so hope this helps you quasi-fluent english people (again no criticism just some help) "That's not a toy. Hey wait a minute. Don't f* around homey you can lose an eye with it. That's mah double-blade-razorwhip-chop-jimmy and it's mine mf*er so gimme gimme." -ICP Toy Box Riddle Box
Wow, and I thought only I could lower the quality of a thread to that of freshly thrown monkey feces. Way to go //\oo.
Want to dispel a myth: Total Cost = game cost + (expansion cost) * t You argue that there is no rate......, yet the community manager even tells you that expansions are to be released every 6-9 months. How do you know that this will not function as a "compound" rate: (Meaning 60$-80$ expansions)
First off the expansions will not be 60 to 80 dollars. They will be at the most 50 dollars. So if thousands of people buy the original and those people buy 50 $ expansions that will surely make up for expenses for ArenaNet.
Could you perhaps back that up ? Because to my knowledge the only information released by A-net is that the expansions would be "competitive". Until they commit to a price (and they won't I'm sure), its all speculation.
"I can tell you with no ego, this is my finest sword. If, on your journey, you should encounter God. . . . . . God will be cut." - Quentin Tarantino, Kill Bill
You argue that there is no rate......, yet the community manager even tells you that expansions are to be released every 6-9 months.
How do you know that this will not function as a "compound" rate:
(Meaning 60$-80$ expansions)
So??? EQ does the exact same thing and they have a monthly subscription. Now do that math:
(Meaning $60-$80 expantion plus $155 subscription = $235 a year)
HMM I will take the 60-80!!!!
How do you know that they will not make the expansions indispensable (saw this argument in a previous post) ?
(By indispensable I mean not that it would be impossible to play, but that the added features would be crucial for PVP effectiveness, which is the heart of the game)
Because they already posted the answer to this.. They have stated that no one will have to buy the expantions. But hey SoE makes you buy all expantions for EQ as well by adding stuff you just can't live without. How many people playing EQ don't have PoP so they can instantly travel anywhere? Even if they did make them this way the game would still be $155US ($220 Canadian) cheaper than EQ to play and it would make it available to those without credit cards.
In any case, guild wars will not be free after the initial payment if we assume that expansions will be released annually.
Can you back this up with facts? It will be free to play after the initial box payment! Now that is a statement of fact.
My money is still on GW, since I prefer the absence of a tread-mill and strategic game play.
You and me both LOL I could not agree more.
(No offense to gnarled, crowen etc., this is just a jest.....a pun.... don't get offended..... or be offended... or even be at all)
No Offense taken but your post is totally uncalled for. If you want to correct grammar please use another forum this one is for game chat. If you can't keep on topic you have no reason to be here.
Those that throw stones should not live in glass houses!!!
Originally posted by Gnarled Could you perhaps back that up ? Because to my knowledge the only information released by A-net is that the expansions would be "competitive". Until they commit to a price (and they won't I'm sure), its all speculation.
Gnarled is right here you have no way to back this up just like he has no way to back up what he said about it being higher than others. You both are just speculating.
However every MMoRPG that I know of that said they were going to be competitive with the monthly fees were exactly the same price as others. But doesn't mean they can't be lower or higher than others.
Since EQ and others release expantions every 6-9 months GW will still be much cheaper in the end. And it gives people that don't have credit cards or refuse to put there CC numbers out over the net a MMoRPG to play.
I don't see why having towns and outposts makes Guild Wars less of a MMORPG than EverQuest- it just means you won't have to spend 2 hours running from one town to another (which I have had to do in EQ and Lineage 2 and it is horribly annoying and boring). In Guild Wars there will of course be huge numbers of people in the towns and outposts, advertising for guilds, selling items, buying items, looking for parties to do missions and pvp etc. There will still be huge amounts of people interacting, they will simply cut down on the waste of time which is running from one side of the world to the other. In GW you get your group, click the location you wish to go to, load up the map and download any new changes to it, and then you and your party are there. Thats it. It makes it sooo much easier than other MMORPGs, and this is just 1 of 100s of reasons.
So??? EQ does the exact same thing and they have a monthly subscription. Now do that math:
(Meaning $60-$80 expantion plus $155 subscription = $235 a year)
HMM I will take the 60-80!!!!
Ok I cannot corroborate the 60-80$, but I didn't compare this game to EQ.
If you were to take AO for example, some expansions were released over intervals of 1-2 years.....and the rate for those intervals were <= 10$ (and the expansions were <= 50$)
This would make AO and GW approx. equivalent in the long term.
Point is that there is a rate, and that since this game is pvp oriented expansions will be necessary (unless of course you are only looking at the new subscribers and are assuming that the changes only affect high lvl chars, but even then lvling is supposedly very quick so that new subscribers would be effected as well)
If you were to read the majority of the posts, then you would come to the conclusion that a huge percentage of population of mmorpg actually believes that this game will have a static charge.
Because they already posted the answer to this.. They have stated that no one will have to buy the expantions. But hey SoE makes you buy all expantions for EQ as well by adding stuff you just can't live without. How many people playing EQ don't have PoP so they can instantly travel anywhere? Even if they did make them this way the game would still be $155US ($220 Canadian) cheaper than EQ to play and it would make it available to those without credit cards.
Heh, no offense, but I find you kind of naive:
They only promised that the game would be playable without the expansion, not that the expansion would not give those that had the expansion an edge over those that didn't.
Can you back this up with facts? It will be free to play after the initial box payment! Now that is a statement of fact.
..... you agreed that there will be an annual expansion (Miss Gaile stated this! (expansion every 6-9 months))
If you want to prove that it is free after the initial box payment, then you have to also prove that players without the expansions will be able to compete with those that do (and they never stated this).
(No offense to gnarled, crowen etc., this is just a jest.....a pun.... don't get offended..... or be offended... or even be at all) No Offense taken but your post is totally uncalled for. If you want to correct grammar please use another forum this one is for game chat. If you can't keep on topic you have no reason to be here.
Those that throw stones should not live in glass houses!!!
But no offense intented...
Is it my fault if you post in a language that you obviously can't communicate in grammatically?
"That's not a toy. Hey wait a minute. Don't f* around homey you can lose an eye with it. That's mah double-blade-razorwhip-chop-jimmy and it's mine mf*er so gimme gimme." -ICP Toy Box Riddle Box
This is a sequence of characters intended to produce some profound mental effect, but it has failed.
Wow, and I thought only I could lower the quality of a thread to that of freshly thrown monkey feces. Way to go //\oo.
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This is a sequence of characters intended to produce some profound mental effect, but it has failed.
If you were to take AO for example, some expansions were released over intervals of 1-2 years.....and the rate for those intervals were <= 10$ (and the expansions were <= 50$)
AO is also 14.95 a month which is more than any other MMoRPG of the same age... Second all expantions are under 50$ as will GW's if its compeditive. AO only has 2 expantions out and both were box releases so I am not sure what intervals your even talking about here. There was never a $10 interval expantion. I know I have all the expantions for AO and there are only 2.
This would make AO and GW approx. equivalent in the long term.
Not true as stated below AO would be $270 a year and GW only $130 with all expantions.
Exept that you stated yourself that the expantions are not needed to play the game. Not everyone that plays this game will be PvP. You can roll solo missions and just play by yourself or with friends. Your still stating here that you have to have every expantion and you can't prove this..
Heh, no offense, but I find you kind of naive:
They only promised that the game would be playable without the expansion, not that the expansion would not give those that had the expansion an edge over those that didn't.
No offense, but I find you overly pessimistic.
OK lets hold here a sec if you want another example here lets look at DAoC. If you want to compete in DAoC in RVR you have to have a buff bot. So now your need to buy 2 copies of the game and pay 2 monthly fees. Now your talking $155 a year for each account so thats over $300 just to compete. Alot of people that play don't PvP and you don't have to PvP in GW. So now if you don't want to use EQ who does make 2 expantions a year lets look at DAoC and GW.
To compete as you call it:
DAoC 2 box sets 49.99 each lets say $100 bucks (Gotta have buff bot to compete). Plus 2 monthly subscriptions $155 a year thats over $300 so now its $400 just for 1 year plus you HAVE to have ToA and SI for main account or you can't compete. At lets say $40 an expantion which is the real type of pricing, thats another $80 bucks. Now its $480 US for 1 year.
GW 1 box and 2 expantions 49.99 and 40 each... Total $130.
As for AO thats a game that will not be around long anyways but if you want to talk AO it has 2 expantions out already at maybe a rate of 1 a year plus there 14.95 a month thats after 1 year $49.99 + $40(first expantion) + $180(12X14.95) Equals $270 for the first year thats still WAY WAY more than GW.
..... you agreed that there will be an annual expansion (Miss Gaile stated this! (expansion every 6-9 months))
Agreed but its not a must to own....
If you want to prove that it is free after the initial box payment, then you have to also prove that players without the expansions will be able to compete with those that do (and they never stated this).
Not true people still play DAoC without buffbots and people still play DAoC and never PvP. So you don't have to own the expantions to play but you can if you like and its still cheaper either way.
Is it my fault if you post in a language that you obviously can't communicate in grammatically?
I communicate just fine if not you wouldn't be replying to my posts.. How can you be debating with me if you can't communicate with me?
So yes your ignorance and rudeness is your fault. Not sure how you can blame others for your own inability to debate without trying to degrade others. Maybe its because of your pride not wanting to admit when others have a good point who knows.
EQ $285
DAoC $480US (to compete)
AO $270US (to compete)
GW $130US (to compete)
So in the end out of the 4 game compaired EQ/AO/DAoC/GW GW still comes out much cheaper even with expantion packs by more than 1/2 price the closet price.
And ArenaNet has stated a few times that people who don't buy the expansions will be able to play with people who do, they just won't be able to participate with their friends concerning the new content. And one of the main things that Guild Wars is concentrating on is making sure everything in PvP is extremely balanced, due to the fact that the obvious best part of Guild Wars (this is in no way saying that the co-op solo missions aren't fun and cool, but that IMHO the PvP is even more fun), I mean look at the name! Guild Wars! Lol, if they can't make sure that all the classes are balanced in their own ways, then PvP will end up being 8 elementalists vs. 8 elementalists or 8 warriors vs. 8 warriors etc. I'm not saying they should make it so a monk or mesmer can beat up a warrior in 1v1 combat, but if a 4v4 battle then the mesmer or monk can have as much or more effect than a single warrior on the final outcome of the battle. Due to this, I'm certain that any new classes they produce in expansion packs will have just as many vices and virtues as the original classes, though it is always fun to try out new stuff!
me myself would pick gw since its free and has good graphics most other games r costly and boring and bad graphics . knight online is 1 game that looks kool but is dum
What does this have to do with WOW vs. GW? Personally I think GW looks very cool, but it's also a very different type of game, it's not a real MMORPG, it's a CORPG. It's basically a Death Match RPG.
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That was a great look AhLaw379 your hitting the nail on the head there. GW is going to be the game of choice for casual players.
You can log in for 10 min and PvP for fun.
You can level for hours and look for loot.
You can join up with others on epic quests to get loot.
You can team with others for epic PvP and get Fame.
You can join up with others and do epic battles against dragons and stuff.
With all this just in the demo and more to come at release this game is going to take the MMoRPG's by storm this year. Add to all this that its going to be no monthly fee or FREE to play and you have the winner of the year.
WoW will be a great release and will do well I think. It will be where everyone goes that want there endless leveling.
My view after the E3 preview of both is that I will be playing both at the same time. WoW will be my leveling MMoRPG and GW will be my break from the leveling MMoRPG world, but with how much I loved GW's I am not sure how much time WoW will get from me. I will have to see later if I will stop playing WoW because lets face it if I can play for free why pay.
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Well if you are saying that all the world has to be persistant then Ao (mission system is instance) /EQ (NDoN is instance) /DAoC (this dec with catacombs is instance)/WoW (RvR is instance as are the epic dungeons) are all not MMoRPG's then.
Sorry but your wrong here as GW will have a persistant area of the world just like every other MMoRPG where people will meet before rolling there quests or battles. These are the same instance areas as other games have that are considered MMoRPG's.
You say WoW and GW are not both MMoRPGs yet WoW has instance dungeons and there RvR is going to be instance as well just like GW's quests.
As for the 100+ people battles yes GW will have them why do you think its called Guild Wars? Maybe because entire guilds will be able to have epic battles?
But your right about one thing WoW and GW don't compete as WoW will cost a monthly subscription and GW doesn't. Hands down they don't compete as GW comes out clearly on top.
You: Wrong.
Now I'm done. "lol".
Gnarled is right your incorrect..
WoW is going to be $49.99 plus 14.95 a month not 15. Plus about $40 for expantions.
GW will be $49.99 plus free to play online. Plus about the same as WoW for expantions.
GW will be cheaper but not free LOL
I did the AO beta and played it on release, so I know what you are trying to say.
). The main game has to be persistant. I am sure sure you understood what I was trying to say, but just didnt want to 
. Ask yourself, is the gameplay more like D2 or UO.
Of course not the whole game has to be persistant. The missions in AO were not really that important to the game (and were crap bye the way
About the the massive, I really dont know because I am a pretty newbie to the game. If its gonna be 100+ instance game or 100+ on the same screen, but 2000 on the server that makes a whole lot of difference to me...
Hi, new here. I spend tons of time over at worldofwar.net, and have noticed GW looking very very nice. I am fans of both games but the more I look in to GW the better it sounds.
I am looking forward to the open testing during E3 and about 20 of my WoW guildmates will be too.
I think if GW were to surpass WoW, it would take time, simply because Blizzard has such a large loyal following, for good reason. They come with a giant group of initial buyers. Being new on the block, and without as much PR going on, GW will need to grow, and word will need to spread. Of course, coming out before WoW doesn't hurt either. The real test will be during WoW's release.
I read through this thread and I'll ad my 2 cents to the main issue at hand. First let's re-state that GW is not free, but is cheaper than other major MMORPGs. They are hoping to be successful enough to have their expansions sell well, rather than charge the monthly fee. Wise move.
So they attract new players by offering "hey no fee!" Then we can all play the game and see if we like it. If we do, then we have no probleming paying for a good expansion.
Thing is, the difference isn't that big really though, as others have shown through the math. You either pay 12 bucks for 6 months, or pay 50 bucks after 6 months. So yes, GW will be cheaper, but it's far from free. I just happen to like the freedom of not having to pay a monthly fee.
Also, this bush has been beaten around, but GW is sort of a mix between several genres (kudos to that). If you have read up some, you can tell that GW will be heavily instanced. So much less of the world will be 'consistant.' Yes some will, and enough to socialize and so forth, but not nearly as much as a gigantic game like WoW or EQ with thousands of people sitting in one consistant world. Therefore, you must imagine this brings the cost (bandwith, bug fixes, lag problems) way down.
Therefore, my theory is that since GW is sorta a mix between WoW and D2 (regarding servers, and instances), that the lower total cost for GW is clearly explained. This also explains why Battlenet was a free service (while still not totally free for Blizzard, but cheap enough to offer free). A bigger game with more persistant world content is going to cost a lot more. GW has sorta split down the middle, if you will, in both terms of persistant world, and price.
In the end, I think both games will offer a great experience. Right now, I happen to be very gung-ho over GW, and admire their desire to walk off the beaten path.
Take care.
Accually I understand 100% what you were trying to say but what you might not know is in AO all people do is roll missions for exp. No one goes out and gets exp just out in the land. In AO all rare's are dropped by mission bosses which makes missions the only thing people want to do.
EQ is now the same way people sit outside NDoN now form up groups and then get instance dungeons so that they can get the points after to buy great items for themselves.
So I see what your saying but your not seeing what I am saying. Most current MMoRPG's are now turning to the exact same idea that GW is building the game around. Everyone will be rolling missions the same as everyone does already in other MMoRPG's.
Well it won't load there server much at all since all there instance areas are not run off there servers which takes all the load off them. The only servers they need to worry about are the ones running the persistant world city. As for people having duel login you have to have a registed key to log in and that key can only be logged in 1 time just like any other MMoRPG not sure how they would duel login. But even if they do unless they just sit in the city its not going to load there servers.
Wow, cool thread
Scanned through all of the posts leading to prev.
Want to dispel a myth:
Total Cost = game cost + (expansion cost) * t
You argue that there is no rate......, yet the community manager even tells you that expansions are to be released every 6-9 months.
How do you know that this will not function as a "compound" rate:
(Meaning 60$-80$ expansions)
How do you know that they will not make the expansions indispensable (saw this argument in a previous post) ?
(By indispensable I mean not that it would be impossible to play, but that the added features would be crucial for PVP effectiveness, which is the heart of the game)
In any case, guild wars will not be free after the initial payment if we assume that expansions will be released annually.
My money is still on GW, since I prefer the absence of a tread-mill and strategic game play.
Oh yeah.... btw... just want to help those people that suffer from pedantic, unemployed, pedagogues (j/k don't mean you gnarled.... or do I
):
(No offense to gnarled, crowen etc., this is just a jest.....a pun.... don't get offended..... or be offended... or even be at all)
I intend the following list as a means of aid (not criticism) for the grammatically challenged (I belong to this set myself
):
Here are a lot of common spelling errors
:
incorrect correct
alot
a lot 
your (to be, 2nd singular)
you're 
definate
definite
expence
expense 
there (poss adj)
their (poss adj) 
(their soup, their dog)
their
(to be, third plural) they're 
(to be, third plural)
persistant
persistent
duel (adjective)
dual (adjective) 
dual (noun)
duel (noun) 
blah im already bored....
uhhh... yeah.... this list could go on ad infinitum so
hope this helps you quasi-fluent english people
(again no criticism just some help)
"That's not a toy. Hey wait a minute. Don't f* around homey you can lose an eye with it. That's mah double-blade-razorwhip-chop-jimmy and it's mine mf*er so gimme gimme."
-ICP
Toy Box
Riddle Box
This is a sequence of characters intended to produce some profound mental effect, but it has failed.
Now I know you aren't talking about my grammar or diction, son, or you better go back and read again.
"I can tell you with no ego, this is my finest sword. If, on your journey, you should encounter God. . .
. . . God will be cut."
- Quentin Tarantino, Kill Bill
EQII
Requiiem, Templar
Neriak
growl .
people never read my posts.
not going to bother to even capitalize
there wasn't a hint of diction (diction means your CHOICE of words) there ..... you can choose your words the way you'd like.. actually the only thing that was referring to you was the pedantic, pedagogical part.
I feel honored to be called your son, considering that I am a 6 ' 300 lb, bearded, bowling ball of a man and "one hell of a model american" (even though I'm not american... spiritually anyway) .
Just don't let me catch you in a dark alley with a full wallet. (You'll learn why im posting on this forum instead of playing
)
"That's not a toy. Hey wait a minute. Don't f* around homey you can lose an eye with it. That's mah double-blade-razorwhip-chop-jimmy and it's mine mf*er so gimme gimme."
-ICP
Toy Box
Riddle Box
This is a sequence of characters intended to produce some profound mental effect, but it has failed.
Oh, I read your post. And this sentence preceded your little primer:
(No offense to gnarled, crowen etc., this is just a jest.....a pun.... don't get offended..... or be offended... or even be at all)
So what was I to assume ? Oh, and I might only tip in at 205, but Im certainly not round, I'm Canadian, and I'll meetcha in an alley anytime you want, I can use that (still) full wallet to buy you a beer. . . I was using "son" in a southern state patrol sort of way, sorry if you took offence. . .
I think I do okay with my arguments, call them pedantic if you must, but consider the audience. And lastly, your entire post was: a) a repeat of my earlier argument regarding fees, then b) a grammar lesson, preceded itself by enough apologies that you must have know there would be a reaction.
Now who's the pedagogue ? Bueller. . . .Bueller .. .
"I can tell you with no ego, this is my finest sword. If, on your journey, you should encounter God. . .
. . . God will be cut."
- Quentin Tarantino, Kill Bill
EQII
Requiiem, Templar
Neriak
Wow, and I thought only I could lower the quality of a thread to that of freshly thrown monkey feces. Way to go //\oo.
Could you perhaps back that up ? Because to my knowledge the only information released by A-net is that the expansions would be "competitive". Until they commit to a price (and they won't I'm sure), its all speculation.
"I can tell you with no ego, this is my finest sword. If, on your journey, you should encounter God. . .
. . . God will be cut."
- Quentin Tarantino, Kill Bill
EQII
Requiiem, Templar
Neriak
No Offense taken but your post is totally uncalled for. If you want to correct grammar please use another forum this one is for game chat. If you can't keep on topic you have no reason to be here.
Those that throw stones should not live in glass houses!!!
But no offense intented...
Gnarled is right here you have no way to back this up just like he has no way to back up what he said about it being higher than others. You both are just speculating.
However every MMoRPG that I know of that said they were going to be competitive with the monthly fees were exactly the same price as others. But doesn't mean they can't be lower or higher than others.
Since EQ and others release expantions every 6-9 months GW will still be much cheaper in the end. And it gives people that don't have credit cards or refuse to put there CC numbers out over the net a MMoRPG to play.
I don't see why having towns and outposts makes Guild Wars less of a MMORPG than EverQuest- it just means you won't have to spend 2 hours running from one town to another (which I have had to do in EQ and Lineage 2 and it is horribly annoying and boring). In Guild Wars there will of course be huge numbers of people in the towns and outposts, advertising for guilds, selling items, buying items, looking for parties to do missions and pvp etc. There will still be huge amounts of people interacting, they will simply cut down on the waste of time which is running from one side of the world to the other. In GW you get your group, click the location you wish to go to, load up the map and download any new changes to it, and then you and your party are there. Thats it. It makes it sooo much easier than other MMORPGs, and this is just 1 of 100s of reasons.
FlaminDeath
FlaminDeath
"That's not a toy. Hey wait a minute. Don't f* around homey you can lose an eye with it. That's mah double-blade-razorwhip-chop-jimmy and it's mine mf*er so gimme gimme."
-ICP
Toy Box
Riddle Box
This is a sequence of characters intended to produce some profound mental effect, but it has failed.
Did you call me poopy head? Is a boo? Is a boo boo? Is a boo boo, gaa gaa?
"That's not a toy. Hey wait a minute. Don't f* around homey you can lose an eye with it. That's mah double-blade-razorwhip-chop-jimmy and it's mine mf*er so gimme gimme."
-ICP
Toy Box
Riddle Box
This is a sequence of characters intended to produce some profound mental effect, but it has failed.
So in the end out of the 4 game compaired EQ/AO/DAoC/GW GW still comes out much cheaper even with expantion packs by more than 1/2 price the closet price.
And ArenaNet has stated a few times that people who don't buy the expansions will be able to play with people who do, they just won't be able to participate with their friends concerning the new content. And one of the main things that Guild Wars is concentrating on is making sure everything in PvP is extremely balanced, due to the fact that the obvious best part of Guild Wars (this is in no way saying that the co-op solo missions aren't fun and cool, but that IMHO the PvP is even more fun), I mean look at the name! Guild Wars! Lol, if they can't make sure that all the classes are balanced in their own ways, then PvP will end up being 8 elementalists vs. 8 elementalists or 8 warriors vs. 8 warriors etc. I'm not saying they should make it so a monk or mesmer can beat up a warrior in 1v1 combat, but if a 4v4 battle then the mesmer or monk can have as much or more effect than a single warrior on the final outcome of the battle. Due to this, I'm certain that any new classes they produce in expansion packs will have just as many vices and virtues as the original classes, though it is always fun to try out new stuff!
FlaminDeath
FlaminDeath
What does this have to do with WOW vs. GW? Personally I think GW looks very cool, but it's also a very different type of game, it's not a real MMORPG, it's a CORPG. It's basically a Death Match RPG.
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"Do I come to your workplace and tell you how to kill civilians? No, so don't tell me how to do my job" - Sam Fischer.
--OracleP4
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"Do I come to your workplace and tell you how to kill civilians? No, so don't tell me how to do my job" - Sam Fischer.
--OracleP4
Like: DAoC, WOW, GW, DnL
Dislike: SoR, EQ, EQ2, SWG, KO, AC2, CoH
Don't Care About: Most Everything Else
My thoughts about GW and WoW
Guild War
I have been in the 3 day trial for GW and i thought i was awesome, it's a new way of playing. Who will
thought of walking in a solo area and a group of NPCs coming to search for help. The quest come to
you, not you go to the quest. That's just the solo area. Once you get into town, you see the huge
community, sharing their thoughts and their skills. Then i went to the missions, wow, i had a blast,
first you had to run away from huge Charr monsters, then u build a catapult and blast their asses.
That was so fun. It's not like any plain MMOs that you just lvl all day and sometimes do some lame
quest for some money. In GW, you can give up your lvling time and pvp with players, sit in the lobby
and chat with some friends. It's way better than other MMOs. I really like this game. I think they
Devs did a great job on the technology.
WoW
A couple of my friends got into the beta, and they said the game was great, the quest was fun and
stuff. The view and graphics were great too. Sometimes they get a little bored from lvling and they
just go to town and chill out, one of my friend can cook some food for their friends and have some
beer in travens before they go lvling again. It sounds great. They get to ride on gryhons to other
places and meet lots of different people. Sounds like a great MMORPG. It's a normal MMO with better
gameplay and graphics.
Overall
You just can't compare GW and WoW, one is a nice way of playing MMO and their new ways of no lag,
like patching while you play, and their new technologies. WoW is more like a old school MMO, that's
suit up with very nice story line and great gameplay. You can't compare, they are different.
For the last 13 pages of disscustion, it's like comparing apple to orange.
I like both, but GW has really made me think alot, their new ways of making fun times has got me
hooked a bit. I still like WoW's travel to long journeys and then rest and chat, and then cook some
food, go into the lake and take a swim. I like it too. You just have to find you way of interest.
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Konosuke - Experienced MMO player
That was a great look AhLaw379 your hitting the nail on the head there. GW is going to be the game of choice for casual players.
With all this just in the demo and more to come at release this game is going to take the MMoRPG's by storm this year. Add to all this that its going to be no monthly fee or FREE to play and you have the winner of the year.
WoW will be a great release and will do well I think. It will be where everyone goes that want there endless leveling.
My view after the E3 preview of both is that I will be playing both at the same time. WoW will be my leveling MMoRPG and GW will be my break from the leveling MMoRPG world, but with how much I loved GW's I am not sure how much time WoW will get from me. I will have to see later if I will stop playing WoW because lets face it if I can play for free why pay.