I went in to Best Buy the other day, had to take my daughter's laptop in for warrantee work again. Now, I'm going to go out on a limb here, and set myself up for the fanbois to accuse me of trolling, but Gateway's suck. Okay, now that that's out of the way, while I'm waiting for the "Geek Squad" to figure out wtf is wrong with it this time, I waunder down the games aisle. Now, I'm pretty deperate for a new gaming fix, Vanguard just wasn't it. There is World of Warcrap sitting on the shelves priced at $19.99. OMFG, I actually picked it up and started looking at it. Luckily, an alert Best Buy employee dialed 9-1-1. The swat team arrived quickly, ordered me to carefully set the gamebox down on the floor and step away from the display. I spent the next hour with the Police Chaplain as he tried to talk me down from the ledge, out of making that fatal leap. So, I waunder a little further down the aisle, and picked up a copy of THE SIMS 2 Seasons, to peruse. Cue the swat team, another hour with the Police Chaplian. This time, before they release me, they demand to know what game I will look at next. I'm desperate, willing to tell them anything they want to hear. Then I remember one of the fanbois comparing Vanguard to Barbie Fashion Show. In a panic I blurt out, "Barbie Fashion Design". The Chaplain looks at me with a relieved smile, and says, "Okay son, you can go, you're okay now." You see, it was the right answer, because you don't have to twink the .ini files to play Barbie fashion Show, and it doesn't crash to desktop, etc.
Are you comparing Barbie Fashion show to Vanguard and WoW ? You have sunk to new lows.....
I thought your comment " masterbation is a better value than playing mmo's " was low...but this takes the cake.
You been forgetting to take your meds today? Or...perhaps....a tad too much wacky tobacky? ( if such a thing is possible )
Naw, don't take this harpooned barb personal, it wasn't targeted at you, it was targeted at a fanboi that made the comment that Vanguard was tough and the weak should be playing Barbie's Fashion Show. I just love to tease the rabid fanbois when they make a really stupid statement. And, if you recall, the masterbation thread was in reply to your comment that Vanguard was a good return on entertainment dollars. All I did was point out that there are better returns, and as I recall you pretty much agreed. That comment was to give you a wakeup call that your entertainment dollar value comparision is a pretty lame arguement.
By the way, comparing WOW to Vanguard is also a pretty lame arguement, which is why I posted my reply here.
In your OPINION....and it was an even weaker attempt at a wake call....to compare the value of playing a mmo to the value of masterbating is simply put.....silly....
My points on the other hand ( no pun intended ) where detailed and accurate.
Now..that would make you a silly old daddy...now wouldn't it.!?
Ok, people want this war so lets just get it on. Vanguard verses WoW in a no holds barred cage match: Round One: Solo Adventuring
Winner: WoW, easily
Round Two: Gorup Adventuring
Winner: WOW - Has much better group quests and great instances that work. Vangaurd i couldn't even play in a group because my buddies kept turning invisible and getting disconnected :S Also there doesn't seem to be any content in the game. WOW has sooo much more for the group and solo player
Round three: Performance/System Requirements
Winner: WoW, brutally
Round Three: Graphics – Environment and Architecture
Winner: WOW - The world feels alive and rich of content, the graphics look 10 times better and performance is great. I find Vanguard evry generic and boring......... it's just lifeless and the trees look very odd and outta place. WOW captures a proper online world and i Vanguard actually looks like one of the worst i've played. Thats down to the art work being very generic. The game has soooo much more style and everything feels hand crafted and unique where as Vanguard feels pre generated.
Round Four: Graphics – Animation and Character Models
Winner: Same as above
Round Five: Crafting
WoW: WoW’s crafting is very, very simple. You gather the materials, push the button, and wait. But because of this simplicity, and for reasons of game balance, most of what you make is much worse than what you can easily find while adventuring. In those cases where you can craft something as good as a drop, you are usually dependent on using at least one ingredient that comes from a similar drop – defeating the purpose of the skill. After a while, most WoW players view crafting as an unnecessary time sink.
Vangaurd: In Van, crafting is its own mini game. The work order system gives you crafting quests that allow you to level up without even the need to run around harvesting materials. In fact, it is quite possible to play Vanguard as a crafter and never adventure at all. The fact that crafting requires as much time and work as adventuring permits the Vanguard designers to allow crafting patterns that are just as good or better than what you get from adventuring at the same levels. Also the flexible – but complicated – crafting system allows for highly customized gear which eliminates the itemization problem that you find for some WoW classes.
Winner: Vanguard
Round Six: Classes
Winner: WOW - Races on Vanguard are ugly and boring, most of them are humans and worst bums ever! WOW has very nice and fun Races.
Round Seven: Diplomacy
Diplomacy - It's pointless and very boring after awhile, you can't lose and you just do it over and over again. Why not just talk to NPC's normally and not time waste on pointless features?
Round Eight: PvP
Wow: Wow did not include much in the way of PvP when it launched but made up for that very quickly. There are now both PvP and non-PvP severs. Generally, PvP is Realm verses Realm -- that is, Horde verses Alliance. There is no free for all servers. PvP in WoW really consists of three seperate ways to play. The most common PvP is a actually a mini game (called a Battleground) in an instanced zone. The idea is to only admit even forces on both sides and play a game with limited, defined victory conidtions. This is simialr to multiplayer modes in FPS games like Halo 2. The upside is fast, instant PvP action. The downside is that the matchmaking is a bit uneven (it currently doesn't acocunt for epic gear, for example). And the maps and game types are limited. The second kind of PvP consists of non-instanced Battlegrounds. These are similar to the instanced Battlegrounds but they are ongoing and contemplate uneven combatants. The last kind of PvP is world PvP -- that is, player combat that occurs out in the world while questing, etc. Most of WoW development effort over the last few seems ave been directed to balancing the classes for PvP. They seem to have been largely successful.
Vanguard: PvP in Vanguard is in its infancy. While there are both free-for-all and realm-verses-realm servers, there seem to have been very little thought in Vanguard about PvP. By most accounts the classes are not well balanced for PvP (arcane casters and healers are perceived as over powered at present). There are no mini-games like Battlegrounds so all PvP is currently "world PvP."
Winner: WoW, easily.
Overall winner:
WOW
It's a matter of opinion but i can safely say i speak for the majority.
You can't effectively compare these two games. This thread was made for the sole reason to add fuel to the fire between the WoW folks and the Vanguard folks. It is my opinion BOTH games are good in their own rights and two entirely different beasts. I like Vanguard alot better than WoW , but that is only my opinion. I am happy for WoW existance because it has expanded greatly the general mmorpg player base. Threads like these are opinion based and the arguement is impossible to win for both sides. It's like arguing which is better..Chevy trucks or Ford trucks. Vanilla ice cream or chocolete....coke or pepsi. I urge the community to let this thread die ... it's time to move on. Lets all play the games we have the most fun in !
I think there is something useful to be gleaned from comparison. My intent was to provide a useful perspective for players contemplating one or both games.
Trying to make a direct comparison of these two games is impossible, its like comparing rocks and apples. They both can be found on earth but only one can be used to make a house. Also depending on you preference you’ll rate them differently, if you want to make an apple pie you would rate the apples higher.
From reading this post it sounds like the writer is a WoW player. True a good attempt to look at both sides was made but he seemed to push WoW a bit more, when WoW won one of the topics he would put “easily or brutally” behind it. Also when summed up Vanguard is made out to be a beast of a game that is only going to work on the newest of systems and only the hardest of gamers will like, then WoW is for everyone else.
My system doesn’t meet the required specs and I think of myself as a causal gamer, I’m off most nights by midnight. I feel I am able to do more in VSoH in a few hours then I ever was in WoW.
For Solo content.
I haven’t had any issues with soloing in VSoH, I find it the same as WoW. Soloing in WoW does move faster if you take advantage of the rested XP feature. I never understood why soloing was so important in a Massively Multiplayer Online game, I guess some want to pay to play alone.
Groups
Right not I’m finding it easier to get into a PuG then WoW ever was. I find it too difficult to play WoW unless you play as everyone else wants you to play. I have a 60 warrior that isn’t protection speced, I couldn’t get a group for anything.
As for thing like performance, graphics and PvP
This game is new. I remember out of Beta WoW had its issues. It had its graphical glitches and I’m sure it was a taxing game 4 years ago. I remember how stupid the night elfs looked. True WoW is still looking good but it is dated, take a good look at a tree, all it is are 2 or 3 flat 2D images stacked to look 3D. As for PvP, WoW didn’t have any kind of PvP for about a year. When PvP came to WoW that only started other issues, super classes and stupid classes.
To sum it up, to each their own. Someone who loves WoW is going to find faults in VSoH and the other way around. I’ve played WoW for a long time and have moved on, I don’t think I will ever go back. In 4 years time I sure VSoH will be a much different game. If you don’t like it, please don’t play it and stick to your own channels.
VSoH seems to have everything I am looking for in a game. Rewarding adventuring, complex crafting and other thing to do aside from killing stuff. There are some bugs but its still new and the game is already an improvement on what it was at launch.
For the record, I'm a more than casual player of both games.
Not a bad set of comparisons, but I do have one disagreement. Crafting in WoW, I think, is much more than what you portray. * I find it amusing how folks claim crafting in WoW is 'easy', then go on to describe how difficult it is as you get to higher skill needs in it. * Every crafting class can make 'signature' items as they progress that sell <very> well and allow the Crafter to make the Gold needed for a Mount and other needed items. Two examples are Mageweave Bags for Tailors, and Barbaric Bracers for LeatherWorkers. * Yes, to craft the good items, you must gather disparate materials. Sometimes you have to trade with other players for materials. Sometimes you have to farm all over the world for the different materials. You bet, if you just go with the easiest Recipes, you are not going to make very good stuff; you will be making the same 'level-up' junk every other crafter makes. To make the good stuff, you have to work for it ! * At later levels, you not only need the diversity of materials, you actually have to get into Instance Groups and Raid Groups to get materials and get to the advanced Crafting Stations. * There are Recipes that only drop from Bosses, Quests, and as World Drops. There are Recipes that are only available off one NPC vendor in the world, and only once a day. Getting those Recipes is a quest in and of itself. So, yes, you can level your Crafting skill to max-cap just making crap that does not sell. But, if you want to be a real Master Crafter, and make stuff that your Guild and your Server population will use and pay Gold for, well, you have to be a Master Crafter. Not some Shmuck that got to max-cap just making junk in 'easy' mode. Just FYI.
I think that we can both agree that crafting in WoW is just an adjunct to adventuring. It is a matter of have in your possession the right skills and the recipee. You gain the recipees -- for the most part -- from a trainer. As a result, it is quite easy for a wealthy caharcet to skill up a profession by just buying all the materials at the AH and spending abut 15-20 minutes using them.
This ease of use was quite intentional on Blizzard's part. They wanted professions to be easy and quick and not take you away from the questing for too long.
My point is that the downside to this approach is that you can not make the items produced by crafting more effective than items obtained by questing or you will throw the economy out of balance. That is why most (but not all) items produced by Professions are less effective than the items obtain from questing (especially group questing). Those items which are roughly as effective can only be created with materials that come from equivilent drops. My opinion was that this makes professions in WoW less useful.
In vanguard it is just as difficult and time consuming to level your crafting as it is to quest. As a result the materials produced are as good -- or more often better -- than the adventuring materials. I was offering my opinion that as a crafter at heart I preferred this approach.
I went in to Best Buy the other day, had to take my daughter's laptop in for warrantee work again. Now, I'm going to go out on a limb here, and set myself up for the fanbois to accuse me of trolling, but Gateway's suck. Okay, now that that's out of the way, while I'm waiting for the "Geek Squad" to figure out wtf is wrong with it this time, I waunder down the games aisle. Now, I'm pretty deperate for a new gaming fix, Vanguard just wasn't it. There is World of Warcrap sitting on the shelves priced at $19.99. OMFG, I actually picked it up and started looking at it. Luckily, an alert Best Buy employee dialed 9-1-1. The swat team arrived quickly, ordered me to carefully set the gamebox down on the floor and step away from the display. I spent the next hour with the Police Chaplain as he tried to talk me down from the ledge, out of making that fatal leap. So, I waunder a little further down the aisle, and picked up a copy of THE SIMS 2 Seasons, to peruse. Cue the swat team, another hour with the Police Chaplian. This time, before they release me, they demand to know what game I will look at next. I'm desperate, willing to tell them anything they want to hear. Then I remember one of the fanbois comparing Vanguard to Barbie Fashion Show. In a panic I blurt out, "Barbie Fashion Design". The Chaplain looks at me with a relieved smile, and says, "Okay son, you can go, you're okay now." You see, it was the right answer, because you don't have to twink the .ini files to play Barbie fashion Show, and it doesn't crash to desktop, etc.
Are you comparing Barbie Fashion show to Vanguard and WoW ? You have sunk to new lows.....
I thought your comment " masterbation is a better value than playing mmo's " was low...but this takes the cake.
You been forgetting to take your meds today? Or...perhaps....a tad too much wacky tobacky? ( if such a thing is possible )
Naw, don't take this harpooned barb personal, it wasn't targeted at you, it was targeted at a fanboi that made the comment that Vanguard was tough and the weak should be playing Barbie's Fashion Show. I just love to tease the rabid fanbois when they make a really stupid statement. And, if you recall, the masterbation thread was in reply to your comment that Vanguard was a good return on entertainment dollars. All I did was point out that there are better returns, and as I recall you pretty much agreed. That comment was to give you a wakeup call that your entertainment dollar value comparision is a pretty lame arguement.
By the way, comparing WOW to Vanguard is also a pretty lame arguement, which is why I posted my reply here.
In your OPINION....and it was an even weaker attempt at a wake call....to compare the value of playing a mmo to the value of masterbating is simply put.....silly....
My points on the other hand ( no pun intended ) where detailed and accurate.
Now..that would make you a silly old daddy...now wouldn't it.!?
Nope, doesn't make me silly at all to get a rile out of you. I just love doing it. All of you fanbois are just sooooo into yourselves, I do so enjoy riding you. Placing a value on a MMORPg is just plain silly, after all, the purpose of the game is to consume free time. It's not as if you're advancing civilization here. You are arguing why your opinion on consuming free time is worth more than the opinions of others. The entertainment you get out of Vanguard is just as valid as the entertainment I get out of rattling your cage. Masterbate on, fanboi.
Though I see that in the thread about figuring out why Vanguard feels so lifeless you actually quit creaming your shorts long enough to make an objective analysis and come up with something in the game you feel could be done better. Congrats, your starting to become human.....
You're comparing a game that's been out years, it's had hundreds of opportunities to improve (And it did improve), to a game that's been out for over a month now. Compare these games when Vanguard has smashed it's bugs, and had the same opportunities as Vanguard
You're comparing a game that's been out years, it's had hundreds of opportunities to improve (And it did improve), to a game that's been out for over a month now. Compare these games when Vanguard has smashed it's bugs, and had the same opportunities as Vanguard
People are deciding whether to try this game today, not planning for two years from now.
. . . two years from now people will have forgotten about WoW and the decision will be between Vanguard, WAR and World of Starcraft. Preview: World of Starcraft wins.
You're comparing a game that's been out years, it's had hundreds of opportunities to improve (And it did improve), to a game that's been out for over a month now. Compare these games when Vanguard has smashed it's bugs, and had the same opportunities as Vanguard
People are deciding whether to try this game today, not planning for two years from now.
. . . two years from now people will have forgotten about WoW and the decision will be between Vanguard, WAR and World of Starcraft. Preview: World of Starcraft wins.
You are wrong. Kids will be playing world of warcraft for more than 20 years. Eventually systems will be so advanced that people will be playing it on handheld devices while flying to europ. You don't believe me? Plans are already in the works. Just sit back and see and take a look at vivendi's stock quote explode.
There are more players who play world of warcraft than subcultures to market too. Think about it.
And let me just add, that i've been playing vanguard but i went back to wow today for a bit to check up on things. They added completely knew animations for each race recently. That means each race has different animations even if they have hte same class. The population also increased in my zone by almost 10 times. There were people everywhere fighting non stop. I ran into so many horde that i killed and i actually was invited randomly to group with several people. If anything wow has surpassed it's peak. I still prefer vg however, because its got older people and more dedicated people who play. WOW is a great game though and i will cont. to play both for years to come.
You are wrong. Kids will be playing world of warcraft for more than 20 years. Eventually systems will be so advanced that people will be playing it on handheld devices while flying to europ. You don't believe me? Plans are already in the works. Just sit back and see and take a look at vivendi's stock quote explode. There are more players who play world of warcraft than subcultures to market too. Think about it.[ /quote]
I'm sure people will be playing Warcraft for quite some time. But YOU won't be. And neither will I. And likely none of the people reading this post will be either. We'll have moved on to the next big thing.
And let me just add, that i've been playing vanguard but i went back to wow today for a bit to check up on things. They added completely knew animations for each race recently. That means each race has different animations even if they have hte same class. The population also increased in my zone by almost 10 times. There were people everywhere fighting non stop. I ran into so many horde that i killed and i actually was invited randomly to group with several people. If anything wow has surpassed it's peak. I still prefer vg however, because its got older people and more dedicated people who play. WOW is a great game though and i will cont. to play both for years to come.
This part confuses me. Are you talking about WoW or Vanguard here.
Lots of people on this forum are saying that you can't compere wow and Vanguard but they are both MMORPGS so you can compere them. They my be different but they are both aiming for the same market so why not compere them?
Comments
Are you comparing Barbie Fashion show to Vanguard and WoW ? You have sunk to new lows.....
I thought your comment " masterbation is a better value than playing mmo's " was low...but this takes the cake.
You been forgetting to take your meds today? Or...perhaps....a tad too much wacky tobacky? ( if such a thing is possible )
Naw, don't take this harpooned barb personal, it wasn't targeted at you, it was targeted at a fanboi that made the comment that Vanguard was tough and the weak should be playing Barbie's Fashion Show. I just love to tease the rabid fanbois when they make a really stupid statement. And, if you recall, the masterbation thread was in reply to your comment that Vanguard was a good return on entertainment dollars. All I did was point out that there are better returns, and as I recall you pretty much agreed. That comment was to give you a wakeup call that your entertainment dollar value comparision is a pretty lame arguement.
By the way, comparing WOW to Vanguard is also a pretty lame arguement, which is why I posted my reply here.
In your OPINION....and it was an even weaker attempt at a wake call....to compare the value of playing a mmo to the value of masterbating is simply put.....silly....
My points on the other hand ( no pun intended ) where detailed and accurate.
Now..that would make you a silly old daddy...now wouldn't it.!?
It's a matter of opinion but i can safely say i speak for the majority.
I think there is something useful to be gleaned from comparison. My intent was to provide a useful perspective for players contemplating one or both games.
For the record, I'm a more than casual player of both games.
I think that we can both agree that crafting in WoW is just an adjunct to adventuring. It is a matter of have in your possession the right skills and the recipee. You gain the recipees -- for the most part -- from a trainer. As a result, it is quite easy for a wealthy caharcet to skill up a profession by just buying all the materials at the AH and spending abut 15-20 minutes using them.
This ease of use was quite intentional on Blizzard's part. They wanted professions to be easy and quick and not take you away from the questing for too long.
My point is that the downside to this approach is that you can not make the items produced by crafting more effective than items obtained by questing or you will throw the economy out of balance. That is why most (but not all) items produced by Professions are less effective than the items obtain from questing (especially group questing). Those items which are roughly as effective can only be created with materials that come from equivilent drops. My opinion was that this makes professions in WoW less useful.
In vanguard it is just as difficult and time consuming to level your crafting as it is to quest. As a result the materials produced are as good -- or more often better -- than the adventuring materials. I was offering my opinion that as a crafter at heart I preferred this approach.
Are you comparing Barbie Fashion show to Vanguard and WoW ? You have sunk to new lows.....
I thought your comment " masterbation is a better value than playing mmo's " was low...but this takes the cake.
You been forgetting to take your meds today? Or...perhaps....a tad too much wacky tobacky? ( if such a thing is possible )
Naw, don't take this harpooned barb personal, it wasn't targeted at you, it was targeted at a fanboi that made the comment that Vanguard was tough and the weak should be playing Barbie's Fashion Show. I just love to tease the rabid fanbois when they make a really stupid statement. And, if you recall, the masterbation thread was in reply to your comment that Vanguard was a good return on entertainment dollars. All I did was point out that there are better returns, and as I recall you pretty much agreed. That comment was to give you a wakeup call that your entertainment dollar value comparision is a pretty lame arguement.
By the way, comparing WOW to Vanguard is also a pretty lame arguement, which is why I posted my reply here.
In your OPINION....and it was an even weaker attempt at a wake call....to compare the value of playing a mmo to the value of masterbating is simply put.....silly....
My points on the other hand ( no pun intended ) where detailed and accurate.
Now..that would make you a silly old daddy...now wouldn't it.!?
Nope, doesn't make me silly at all to get a rile out of you. I just love doing it. All of you fanbois are just sooooo into yourselves, I do so enjoy riding you. Placing a value on a MMORPg is just plain silly, after all, the purpose of the game is to consume free time. It's not as if you're advancing civilization here. You are arguing why your opinion on consuming free time is worth more than the opinions of others. The entertainment you get out of Vanguard is just as valid as the entertainment I get out of rattling your cage. Masterbate on, fanboi.
Though I see that in the thread about figuring out why Vanguard feels so lifeless you actually quit creaming your shorts long enough to make an objective analysis and come up with something in the game you feel could be done better. Congrats, your starting to become human.....
People are deciding whether to try this game today, not planning for two years from now.
. . . two years from now people will have forgotten about WoW and the decision will be between Vanguard, WAR and World of Starcraft. Preview: World of Starcraft wins.
People are deciding whether to try this game today, not planning for two years from now.
. . . two years from now people will have forgotten about WoW and the decision will be between Vanguard, WAR and World of Starcraft. Preview: World of Starcraft wins.
You are wrong. Kids will be playing world of warcraft for more than 20 years. Eventually systems will be so advanced that people will be playing it on handheld devices while flying to europ. You don't believe me? Plans are already in the works. Just sit back and see and take a look at vivendi's stock quote explode.
There are more players who play world of warcraft than subcultures to market too. Think about it.
And let me just add, that i've been playing vanguard but i went back to wow today for a bit to check up on things. They added completely knew animations for each race recently. That means each race has different animations even if they have hte same class. The population also increased in my zone by almost 10 times. There were people everywhere fighting non stop. I ran into so many horde that i killed and i actually was invited randomly to group with several people. If anything wow has surpassed it's peak. I still prefer vg however, because its got older people and more dedicated people who play. WOW is a great game though and i will cont. to play both for years to come.
[quote]Originally posted by roadwarriors
You are wrong. Kids will be playing world of warcraft for more than 20 years. Eventually systems will be so advanced that people will be playing it on handheld devices while flying to europ. You don't believe me? Plans are already in the works. Just sit back and see and take a look at vivendi's stock quote explode.
There are more players who play world of warcraft than subcultures to market too. Think about it.[ /quote]
I'm sure people will be playing Warcraft for quite some time. But YOU won't be. And neither will I. And likely none of the people reading this post will be either. We'll have moved on to the next big thing.
This part confuses me. Are you talking about WoW or Vanguard here.
Lots of people on this forum are saying that you can't compere wow and Vanguard but they are both MMORPGS so you can compere them. They my be different but they are both aiming for the same market so why not compere them?