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Convince me to play
I have heard a lot of good things about L2. However i keep jumping from game to game, there seems to be a dreaded 30 hour mark. I want a game that i can just play and play and play, and also a game which i can play here and now, rather then just waiting til i hit max level before i can really start to play the game.
Does lineage 2 do this?
Thank You
Comments
+ Outstanding Graphics
+ Not a system hog
+ Great PvP system
+ Open world
- 78 lvls
- Grind is booooorrrring
- Econmy is ruined
- Botters
- Selling system is un-organized
+/- Point and click MMo some people like it some people dont. Meaning no WASD movement , and no jumping.
Lineage 2 is a good game, you will be amazed everytime you enter a new area, and the combat is fast. Be warned prepare for a grind , also make sure you make friends in-game otherwise the game is extremly boring playing be yourself.
Overall you would have to play this game for atleast 2-3hours/day min. if you would want to progress.
I tried this game and went nearly 2 weeks before I got a response from anyone I saw in game. Almost everyone I saw was a bot -- it's out of control.
The point and click movement really was disappointing as well. You can use WASD, but you'll get hung up on walls and trees and other invisible borders.
The mission system was extremely boring. You end up re doing the same missions over and over and over until you level past them. Then you do the same with the next set of missions.
Overall, the only thing that the game has going for it is that it is beautiful to look at.
To the OP:
No, this game is not for you. It is a pvp game and as such, levels and gear matter. You would have to work extremely hard and find a good clan/alliance in order to help you catch up "quickly".
To the person who said the missions were boring:
Yes, you are correct. They are boring. That is because quests are strictly utilitarian in this game. This is not a quest game, or a game where you have a house and put items in it, but a pvp game.
Doesn't mean you can't enjoy a variety of other aspects if they are to your liking (like crafting [ugh] and fishing. But this game is about pvp and making enough money for new gear, potions, shots (which add to your damage but are a money sink). Also, you don't make money by leveling so much as manoring or playing the market or fishing. So there are days where you concentrate on making money and days where you level. Or have two accounts, one for buying or selling and the other you level your main.
The grind is much easier now 1-40 than when I started but it will slow down and you will really feel the level walls. As it is, i have to kill several mobs in order to get .01%
However, if you like clan warfare, pvp and player politics (which is freally what this game is about) then this game might be for you.
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I agree with sovrath, OP you are looking at the game from a very very narrow perspective. The grind gonna eat you because thats all you are worried about. On top of it the community is very tight, competetive and adversarial. This game is about Clan vs Clan wars and castle/territory control nothing else. Canned quest mean nothing, zero.
Meat for the grinder
thx for your comments...tbh this has confused me more about whether to play now, lol. i used to run a city on SWG and game politics and community is the be all and end all of an MMO for me, else their not much point playing 1.
i also dont mind a great deal about quests as i dont think a single company has ever been able to get the whole questing thing right. its always the same 4 mission types over and over.
can i ask then what you would recommend to me? i was thinking about perhaps WoW, CoH/V or L2....however im sure they're are PLENTY of MMO's out there which i've never heard of which fit me perfectly.
I think that in order to understand L2 you must abandon your pre-conceptions borne of other MMO's.
Whilst the overall concept is similar the mechanics are drastically different. Remember the duality of L2, you need money to progress and the game is not designed to allow you to do both simultaneously, even if you are particularly good at the manor system. You will still need to spend time in combining the materials and the spread of areas which provide the specific materials needed for most items will ensure you also spend a healthy amount of time travelling around. You can try to set up buy shops overnight but that will still take time and money, but more often than not time... This is why its still a "grind" and a chore even if you have multiple accounts.
Put simply L2 is not about you, its about your group / clan.
To succeed here you must have at least a modicum of social skills and invariably get drawn into not only the "political maelstrom" of clan interactions, but moreso into the complex world of human interaction borne of an open PvP game which engenders a very high player dependancy aspect.
The PvP in itself, is there to to help you make money easier.
By controlling PvE "realestate" you can manipulate it to your benefit, as long as you do some research and some math to balance your manor system / castle production tallies.
If you are particularly astute you will note that as of the latest changes in L2, in PvP you only spend money. The only money to be made by PVP is through owning a castle...
If you can work within such an environment then you will quickly find that a good group / clan provides you with enough crafting capacity to overcome certain timesinks in the game and greatly reduces the "down" time (or "teh grind") required for re-equipping between grades and the generation of consumables to sustain further level progression.
Furthermore, as long as you set the conditions which promote such cooperation, L2 will assist you in this endeavour based on its open trading model and the commonality of the crafting and raiding reward systems. This commonality of equipment, subsequently alleviates a lot of frustration wrought by pyramid systems generated in other MMO's by random and limited item drop tables associated with raid content. There is still a need to repetitively kill stuff, esp if you want the proverbial "cherries" of the raid game which are the unique and uncraftable jewels ,but at least 98% of your equipment required for you to attempt the raids is reasonably common and within grasp outside of the raid game.
For your consideration,
Ellyrion Fiallathandriel
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Kain
L2 is a great MMORPG , but very time consuming and not for the casual gamer. If you come expect a grind, and it would help more than you could ever imagine to have more than one account. (Make the second account a buffer
) The game revolves around pvp and castle/clan politics and the community is very active. The pvp takes place in various forms from large scale castle seiges once every 2 weeks, to small gank parties looking for opposing clans.
Back to the grind, the grind if you play legitly (I had two accounts and my mains have been very fast leveling solo classes such as TH HE and SpS) and the grind from 1-78 took me 7months playing 3-5 hours+ a day. And sometimes much more than that once i was 70+. It is not really a game you can just login to and expect to get something productive done in an hour unless you are shopping/crafting or just starting small pvp.
overall it has been one of the most fun games i have played, the only issue i have with the game is the huge dependancy on the gear that your character has. The gear is super expensive and the market is inflated beyond belief due to all the ebayers and such. I highly recommend this game overall, good luck
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Just gimme some truth
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This game is built around cooperative play. L2 is a team sport. A lot of L2 haters are into solo play. They want to quickly reach the top lvl or they are into one-on-one PVP. If this is you then L2 is not for you. 6 months ago there was a huge botting problem, however since November its not bad. Also bots are very easy to get rid of by training so it is not a real issue. I have been playing the game for 2.5 years and have yet to tire of it. The updates are free and they keep the game fresh. If you like team sports you will like L2. If you want to finish fast or be a solo pvp god you will hate the game.
I played l2 quite a bit shortly after its launch, then on and off from time to time over the years. Essentially, they keeping adding this great content, new classes, new skills, etc, but they still will not take care of the huge glaring problems that have plagued l2 since even its launch.
Let me break it down for you; If you already have a high level character, aka, leveled one up in an earlier chronicle, its a great game. Almost all of the content has been for high levels, and the quality of gameplay for lower levels has gotten increasingly bad over the years.
Even though its considered taboo on the retail l2 forums, this is a diffrent forum, so just say it; Bots have been long past the point of rampaging around and taking over lower level areas. They are everywhere, even in towns auto deleveling on gaurds, and ncsofts "efforts" to stop them have been extremely underwhelming, so much so that you could see the bots getting worse every year. Hell when i quite at the end of c4 on bartz, the chinese OWNED ADEN CASTLE! How can you sit there and tell him theres nothing wrong with the game when the farmer/botter clans actually own castles and have so much power the legit players can't even take them?
Even if they banned the bots now, the economy is screwed up; Even without the mass inflation, its still horribly tedious to get anywhere. Factor in the inflation, and that the lower level areas are barren waste lands filled with bots, and theres a good reason why they are so desperate for new players; no one wants to play that pile of crap that is lineage 2 sub-level 60.
If you really like PvP, and don't mind spending around 6 months of the most mindless, tedious gameplay to get a decent character Or out right ebaying, then by all means, play it. Otherwise, just play something else. Why Ncsoft didn't just ban all chinese IP's from NA servers in the first place, ill never know. Quite a few newer MMO's do that, because the Chinese will literally destroy a games economy if they arn't kept in check. L2 is the perfect example of what happens when you take a great idea and a great game at its core, then factor in the asians complete arrogance towards international servers. The Chinese took it over, the only way this game could be saved is if they made a completly new, fresh server from scratched and banned chinese from it automatically. Since they obviously are too arrogant todo that, the game is a lost cause.