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Kinda Septic now about Lotro...
excovin
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For those of you who have not read the Thread yet, here's the link :
http://www.ardapost.com/forums/showt...=9829#post9829
Just want to know the effect is has on you.. I did not have the chance to try the game yet.. but now I'm kinda septic about it and need some advices... The only mmorpg's I played are Ultima Online and Eve Online.. do you guys think a player like me can appreciate Lotro, considering that the priority aspects in a game to me are the community and the details ( lore, class system, history of you char, etc... )
sorry for my english it isnt my first language...
http://www.ardapost.com/forums/showt...=9829#post9829
Just want to know the effect is has on you.. I did not have the chance to try the game yet.. but now I'm kinda septic about it and need some advices... The only mmorpg's I played are Ultima Online and Eve Online.. do you guys think a player like me can appreciate Lotro, considering that the priority aspects in a game to me are the community and the details ( lore, class system, history of you char, etc... )
sorry for my english it isnt my first language...
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I will take it one step further, If I dug around hardest enough I could probably tell that it is just one of thousands of sony mole sites.
who me ?
Here's my take on this review.
The reviewer is one of those folks who really wanted a middle-earth simulation, which this game was supposed to be when it was first conceived. He is fanatical in his knowledge of Tolkenese lore and righteously defends against any attempts to bastardize his beloved franchise.
But most of us aren't like him. We like playing MMO's, which are pretty much all designed in a similar way. (for better or worse as we often debate). So Turbine decided to make an MMO that borrows heavily from other successful MMO's and tosses in some LOTRO lore along the way.
I like playing MMO's, and I like LotR's (even read the books one time through, thought Tolken was a bit over-rated as a writer) and for me this game is satisfactory.
Now, back to the OP....you said you loved games like UO and Eve online, (two sandbox games if there ever were ones).... well then this sure isn't your game...might be on the exact opposite side of the spectrum actually.
Better hold out for Darkfall, or even AOC.... but this game won't be to your liking, IMO
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Also their forum sign up is the same board as a few major company forums sign up, like Valve. They seem to be a fanatical group with trying to spread their word.
Every Admin and Moderator oon that forum say "I am not buying or playing LotrO"
That pretty much tells me all I need to know. They are full of shit .
who me ?
If you take the time to comb through what he was saying there in his review, he is right about most of the game play and design issues. Its just a pretty bland game IMO.
What effect? Well sounds like morthoron didn't like the game at all, oh well.
You should check out the offical forum for a better view of the game. I'm pretty sure very few people here know who Arda is here and even fewer know or care about morthoron's opinion. We have much more talented trolls who are much less winded here.
As far as the type of player YOU are...well sounds like it might be worth your time to take a look at it. Its not like EVE or UO at all. Try to get into the beta while you can then you can see for yourself and not pay a dime. Reviews and opinions are like buttholes, everyone has one. You need to look at the overall trend of reviews/opinions not each one individually.
No it doesn't bother me. You're better off trying it and seeing what you think of it.
The grind didn't feel bad to me. Maybe level 45-50 is worse. But the accomplishments, even gaining racial traits, were a breeze compared to trying to get something done in AO. I doubt anything in LOTRO approaches the 1k board grind. I keep quitting AO because I want that board for my main but am bored silly of running missions.
I didn't find their made up creatures nearly has bothersome as he apparently does. Particularly the Bog Prowlers, which are basically just small Huorn like creatures, some of which are corrupted by Sauron's influence.
The look of Rivendell didn't bother me, the inside of the Homely House did somewhat. But its one locale in the game.
The only thing that bothers me about Bree is that more of the houses should be made of stone (the description of Bree is of about a hundred stone houses of men surrounded by a wall and a dike, the wall, dike, and the number of houses looks roughly correct.) Even the placement of Bill Ferny's house was right. I think the road is supposed to bend in a different direction and the Prancing Pony be furth down Bree Hill than it is... Criticisms of Bree's size always rub me the wrong way though. It says 100 houses plus Hobbits. Thats a pretty big town.
About Thorin I think he's completely wrong, if the appendices are included in the deal, here is what it says about Thorin in Erad Luin in Part III of Appendix A:
"There he [Thorin] laboured long, and trafficked, and gained such wealth as he could; and his people were increased by many of the wandering Folk of Durin who heard of his dwelling. Now they had fair halls in the mountains, and store of goods, and their days did not seem so hard, though in their songs they spoke ever of the Lonely Mountain far away."
This is right before he meets Gandalf, and the actual game takes place well after the Battle of the Three Armies where the Dwarves regain all of treasure in the Lonely Mountain. It doesn't seem nearly so unreasonable to me. I don't know what he is expecting. Thorin's dwelling was never described in The Hobbit, and there was actually an implication that he was fairly well off.
The only thing I find really questionable there is the sculpture of I think Thror, which is very big (think kind of a Mt Rushmore type deal) but I'm not sure if it was supposed to have been constructed before or after they got the wealth of Erebor.
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The only areas I can really agree with him are character customization, which is very simple. And maybe the mob densities, which are pretty high (the idea usually being that the Nazgul or their servants have stirred up trouble).
First of all, the Lead Moderator on the LOTRO site posted a link to this review on the main forum. Both Electprogeny and Morthoron have or had been long-time supporters of the game. They are not sony moles.
Take off the tin-foil hat please.
Secondly, if you read the thread, Morthoron says that he could have lived with the lore violations if the game play engaged him more. But it didn't. So he's not seeking a Middle Earth simulator (though many would like such, they also know it's not likely viable). The bottom line is that you don't know if their version of Middle Earth would be boring--you have no fact to base that on. I can just as easily say that their version would be even more fun than the current version. Who wouldn't like the game to be even more fun?
There's a lot of truth in Morthoron's review (remember the lead mod linked to his review? If it was so much hooey, would she even bother?). I agree with much of it.
But as Methost, another long-time community leader posting in that thread, says...it's still fun to play for him.
That is what you have to decide. Is it fun for you to play?
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Currently Playing: LOTRO; DDO
Played: AC2, AO, Auto Assault, CoX, DAoC, DDO, Earth&Beyond, EQ1, EQ2, EVE, Fallen Earth, Jumpgate, Roma Victor, Second Life, SWG, V:SoH, WoW, World War II Online.
Games I'm watching: Infinity: The Quest for Earth, Force of Arms.
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Morthoron quit the game long before beta ever started. He wants a pure sandbox game where everyone sits in a animated chat room and blows virtual smoke rings and quaffs virtual ale while telling riddles and tales. I have been following the game since it's Sierra days and have known him a long while. I knew before he did that he would hate the game. Him and EP are good people but they really need to stick to tabletop games and www.sca.org/ in my opinion
As far as Morthoron being a leading community supporter that is extremely debatable. By the way Cerion exactly where did Patience link to that "review", damned if I can find a link anywhere
I miss DAoC
Well, he was in the beta test, since sometime in October (perhaps even September). And Morthoron for many years practically moderated the roleplaying forum of the LOTRO boards--I'd call that a community leader. In fact, I call anyone a community leader whose name is well known to its members. Your perception of what he wants is not entirely accurate either.
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Currently Playing: LOTRO; DDO
Played: AC2, AO, Auto Assault, CoX, DAoC, DDO, Earth&Beyond, EQ1, EQ2, EVE, Fallen Earth, Jumpgate, Roma Victor, Second Life, SWG, V:SoH, WoW, World War II Online.
Games I'm watching: Infinity: The Quest for Earth, Force of Arms.
Find the Truth: http://www.factcheck.org/
Dude we are proffession forum posters, who do you think your fooling, santa might be fooled but i'm not.
The guy is a straight up fanatic, READ through the that fanatical website with links to LOTR SSWORD , SHIRTS , MERCHANDISE ect ect, FAN ADDICTS .
With that said, No Developer promised jack didley and we are getting what is given ,and I like it. Think the fanatics over estimated their role on the official forums and they(fanatics) got shut down by the actual community , and now they are bashing the game. That is how a lot of this starts, with rejection.
Also since Beta 1 many areas have opened up and when release hit , think most of the people will be eating crow.
who me ?
Well, he was in the beta test, since sometime in October (perhaps even September). And Morthoron for many years practically moderated the roleplaying forum of the LOTRO boards--I'd call that a community leader. In fact, I call anyone a community leader whose name is well known to its members. Your perception of what he wants is not entirely accurate either.
Maybe he was in the beta, darned if I know, nor do I give a damn. If it had been up to him and his group of Silmarillion quoting lore bible thumpers this would have turned out to be the shittiest game ever launched and made Vanguard look like a raging success. If you want to learn Elvish he is the man to go to, if you want to make a game that will sell more than 50 copies then stay clear. I can give you half a dozen other names who wanted a sandbox and stomped of in disgust when they discovered it would be a game not a sandbox. I first registered on the MEO site back whne Sierra was rthe developer and have watched this game go from a sure thing to vaporware and back again half a dozen times since 1998
I miss DAoC
Well, he was in the beta test, since sometime in October (perhaps even September). And Morthoron for many years practically moderated the roleplaying forum of the LOTRO boards--I'd call that a community leader. In fact, I call anyone a community leader whose name is well known to its members. Your perception of what he wants is not entirely accurate either.
Maybe he was in the beta, darned if I know, nor do I give a damn. If it had been up to him and his group of Silmarillion quoting lore bible thumpers this would have turned out to be the shittiest game ever launched and made Vanguard look like a raging success. If you want to learn Elvish he is the man to go to, if you want to make a game that will sell more than 50 copies then stay clear. I can give you half a dozen other names who wanted a sandbox and stomped of in disgust when they discovered it would be a game not a sandbox. I first registered on the MEO site back whne Sierra was rthe developer and have watched this game go from a sure thing to vaporware and back again half a dozen times since 1998
Again, it is complete speculation that any other version of LOTRO would have turned out to be the 'shittiest game ever.' You and others seem to think that Turbine has produced the only successful iteration possible of the game out of nearly limitless options. In fact what Turbine did is find a design that worked, but does not mean it is the only design that COULD have worked? Certainly not.
As for your need to prove that you've been following this game for years, I don' t see the point. I've been following this game as well, back before the officials. So? I however do not recall your name from the LOTRO boards. Does that mean anything either? No.
If some of you would take the time to read the entire thread that's linked, you'd see that Morthoron's view is a bit different (and much more realistic) than you characterized it to be.
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Currently Playing: LOTRO; DDO
Played: AC2, AO, Auto Assault, CoX, DAoC, DDO, Earth&Beyond, EQ1, EQ2, EVE, Fallen Earth, Jumpgate, Roma Victor, Second Life, SWG, V:SoH, WoW, World War II Online.
Games I'm watching: Infinity: The Quest for Earth, Force of Arms.
Find the Truth: http://www.factcheck.org/
Well, he was in the beta test, since sometime in October (perhaps even September). And Morthoron for many years practically moderated the roleplaying forum of the LOTRO boards--I'd call that a community leader. In fact, I call anyone a community leader whose name is well known to its members. Your perception of what he wants is not entirely accurate either.
Maybe he was in the beta, darned if I know, nor do I give a damn. If it had been up to him and his group of Silmarillion quoting lore bible thumpers this would have turned out to be the shittiest game ever launched and made Vanguard look like a raging success. If you want to learn Elvish he is the man to go to, if you want to make a game that will sell more than 50 copies then stay clear. I can give you half a dozen other names who wanted a sandbox and stomped of in disgust when they discovered it would be a game not a sandbox. I first registered on the MEO site back whne Sierra was rthe developer and have watched this game go from a sure thing to vaporware and back again half a dozen times since 1998
Again, it is complete speculation that any other version of LOTRO would have turned out to be the 'shittiest game ever.' You and others seem to think that Turbine has produced the only successful iteration possible of the game out of nearly limitless options. In fact what Turbine did is find a design that worked, but does not mean it is the only design that COULD have worked? Certainly not.
As for your need to prove that you've been following this game for years, I don' t see the point. I've been following this game as well, back before the officials. So? I however do not recall your name from the LOTRO boards. Does that mean anything either? No.
If some of you would take the time to read the entire thread that's linked, you'd see that Morthoron's view is a bit different (and much more realistic) than you characterized it to be.
You are officially talking to brick walls.who me ?
What the hell are you talking about? I was responding to Jackdog, not you Mars. Morthoron was a community leader. You may not like him as a community leader, but that does not change the fact. He wrote lengthy guides to roleplaying that were stickied on the forums. The Lead Moderator thought enough of his opinion to post a link to it from the official boards. You should be so lucky as to have such recognition.
Again with the tin-foil hat. Do conspiracy theories much? You have no idea what their motivations are.
Again, not sure what the point of this is. Morthoron has been in beta since september/october and has seen all the additions, all the changes. If you think he's going to be eating crow, then you don't know Morthoron
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Currently Playing: LOTRO; DDO
Played: AC2, AO, Auto Assault, CoX, DAoC, DDO, Earth&Beyond, EQ1, EQ2, EVE, Fallen Earth, Jumpgate, Roma Victor, Second Life, SWG, V:SoH, WoW, World War II Online.
Games I'm watching: Infinity: The Quest for Earth, Force of Arms.
Find the Truth: http://www.factcheck.org/
Well, he was in the beta test, since sometime in October (perhaps even September). And Morthoron for many years practically moderated the roleplaying forum of the LOTRO boards--I'd call that a community leader. In fact, I call anyone a community leader whose name is well known to its members. Your perception of what he wants is not entirely accurate either.
Maybe he was in the beta, darned if I know, nor do I give a damn. If it had been up to him and his group of Silmarillion quoting lore bible thumpers this would have turned out to be the shittiest game ever launched and made Vanguard look like a raging success. If you want to learn Elvish he is the man to go to, if you want to make a game that will sell more than 50 copies then stay clear. I can give you half a dozen other names who wanted a sandbox and stomped of in disgust when they discovered it would be a game not a sandbox. I first registered on the MEO site back whne Sierra was rthe developer and have watched this game go from a sure thing to vaporware and back again half a dozen times since 1998
Again, it is complete speculation that any other version of LOTRO would have turned out to be the 'shittiest game ever.' You and others seem to think that Turbine has produced the only successful iteration possible of the game out of nearly limitless options. In fact what Turbine did is find a design that worked, but does not mean it is the only design that COULD have worked? Certainly not.
As for your need to prove that you've been following this game for years, I don' t see the point. I've been following this game as well, back before the officials. So? I however do not recall your name from the LOTRO boards. Does that mean anything either? No.
If some of you would take the time to read the entire thread that's linked, you'd see that Morthoron's view is a bit different (and much more realistic) than you characterized it to be.
You are officially talking to brick walls._____________________________
Currently Playing: LOTRO; DDO
Played: AC2, AO, Auto Assault, CoX, DAoC, DDO, Earth&Beyond, EQ1, EQ2, EVE, Fallen Earth, Jumpgate, Roma Victor, Second Life, SWG, V:SoH, WoW, World War II Online.
Games I'm watching: Infinity: The Quest for Earth, Force of Arms.
Find the Truth: http://www.factcheck.org/
No effect at all, I decide based on my own experience rather that that of some stranger.
And my experience here has led me to pre-order.
'Nuff said.
Well, he was in the beta test, since sometime in October (perhaps even September). And Morthoron for many years practically moderated the roleplaying forum of the LOTRO boards--I'd call that a community leader. In fact, I call anyone a community leader whose name is well known to its members. Your perception of what he wants is not entirely accurate either.
Maybe he was in the beta, darned if I know, nor do I give a damn. If it had been up to him and his group of Silmarillion quoting lore bible thumpers this would have turned out to be the shittiest game ever launched and made Vanguard look like a raging success. If you want to learn Elvish he is the man to go to, if you want to make a game that will sell more than 50 copies then stay clear. I can give you half a dozen other names who wanted a sandbox and stomped of in disgust when they discovered it would be a game not a sandbox. I first registered on the MEO site back whne Sierra was rthe developer and have watched this game go from a sure thing to vaporware and back again half a dozen times since 1998
Again, it is complete speculation that any other version of LOTRO would have turned out to be the 'shittiest game ever.' You and others seem to think that Turbine has produced the only successful iteration possible of the game out of nearly limitless options. In fact what Turbine did is find a design that worked, but does not mean it is the only design that COULD have worked? Certainly not.
As for your need to prove that you've been following this game for years, I don' t see the point. I've been following this game as well, back before the officials. So? I however do not recall your name from the LOTRO boards. Does that mean anything either? No.
If some of you would take the time to read the entire thread that's linked, you'd see that Morthoron's view is a bit different (and much more realistic) than you characterized it to be.
You are officially talking to brick walls.Hope you still try open beta and maybe give the game a chance, if you are a fan of Tolkien then I really think you can enjoy it.
I will add this, NO fanatic will ever understand the real meaning behind what ever they follow, because their minds are to dellusioned with what they think to be fact.
who me ?
I could really care less if Morth made the first character on the alpha server, he is still a Sim quoting Tolkein fanatic. Him and a few others from, the old MEO boards would not have been happy with anything less than a Middle Earth version of the Sims.
By the way I design process control circuits for a living, I am not a professional poster no matter what you want to think. As of yesterday I was ready to toss this game in the trash if they had not backed off on that patch from hell and posted as much in another thread on here. Thankfully they did.
I miss DAoC
I could really care less if Morth made the first character on the alpha server, he is still a Sim quoting Tolkein fanatic. Him and a few others from, the old MEO boards would not have been happy with anything less than a Middle Earth version of the Sims.
By the way I design process control circuits for a living, I am not a professional poster no matter what you want to think. As of yesterday I was ready to toss this game in the trash if they had not backed off on that patch from hell and posted as much in another thread on here. Thankfully they did.
You posting secrets are safe with us ^^.As well I started beta mid beta 1 and frankly was not impressed, then I hesitated to even download beta 2 and said "what the hay, it's free" I'm so glad I did cause frankly , it is not really like beta 1 . Yeah the quests are the same , but the over world and feeling of the game has progressed so nicely , that I pre-ordered
who me ?
well i think so far its a solid game though ofc with some short comings .like i think the classes should get a serious look into and maybe a few more added.
How the game is at level 50 i have no idea but i hope there is some "end game" content not just monster play.
Hint number 1, to give your review credibility make at least some of it valid.
WTF cares what "morth" thinks? He's some random forum tool who got into beta or alpha or whatever JUST LIKE US and didn't like it. Cry me a river. This guys opinion is no more valid then yours or mine.
Actually mine counts MORE becasue....well.........its mine......and I made it all by my lonesome based on my experience with the game. Moth can have a coke and smile while he builds his bridge and gets over it.
giving the devil his due, Morth is a amateur Tolkien scholar who has probably has most of the Sim memorized. He has forgotten more Tolkien lore than I ever knew. The guy knows his Tolkien. However that is his downfall with the game. He wanted a sim middle earth, not a game. Morth, EP, Futsie and a few others from the old MEO boards had grand dreams of a second life in middle earth. They would have not been happy with anything that any game Devs could have produced. Maybe Turbine could have hired Koster and let him make a sandbox ala early SWG but I have a feeling that they wuld have probably found too many lore discrepencies even with that. Not a hell of a lot of people would find it wildly amusing sitting around the Prancing Pony blowing smoke rings and quaffing virtual ale for hours on end while reciting tales of their latest tater crop and where he best mushrooms could be found.
In all fairness hard core Tolkien fans will probably not find this game fun, lets face it the Shire did not have 5000 players running around whacking wolves and spiders 24 and 7 in the books. However fans of the PJ movies and casual to moderate Tolkien fans such as myself will have a ball with it as well as general MMO fans who are looking for a good game just to kill of a few hours with.
I miss DAoC