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[Poll] 3rd gen MMOs this year

skiziskizi Member Posts: 120
I've been playing MMOs now for more than 5 years, and I'm always anticipating the next gen game that will have a strong player base and breathtaking game play. Here are my nominee's for this years potential next gen MMOs:



Gods and Heroes: http://www.godsandheroes.com



Pros:

-Interesting looking game. Nice detailed graphics.

- 6 classes(2 tanks, 2 DPS, 2 healers) I guess they look pretty solid.

-God system makes the game a bit unique when compared to other games.

-PvE/PvP/Squad combat.

-Very sexy looking site.

-Has an official forum.



Cons:

-They mentioned they had a relationship with SOE.

-1 race.

-God system sounds like a faction grind.





LOTROhttp://lotro.turbine.com/



Pros:

-Come on it's LOTR, right?

-Unique Monster system.

-Great graphics.

-Good for soloers and groupers alike.

-It's still in beta.

-Has an official forum.



Cons:

-Class customization system looks too basic(reminds me of WoW)

-Fellowship Maneuver( reminds me of EQ2 HO system)

-Same combat system as many released MMOs out right now ( slash...block....wait....slash....miss.....CRIT!!......wait....)





The Chronicles of Spellborn: http://www.thechroniclesofspellborn.com



Pros:

-Very nice graphics.

-Skill system sounds interesting.

( you basically get something called a skill deck that you can put skills in, and you can only use those skills for that time. So if you're DPS for a group, you know you only need your main attacks on your skill deck. I think this will give players the ability to choose their unique roll for the group they're currently in)

-Raids. I like raiding.

 " Higher level play should remain challenging due to the need to work together as well as against each other in order to advance."

(Taken from the official site)

-Good for soloers and groupers alike.

-Nice character customization.
  "Within reasonable limits, yes. We have a very broad range of appearances that should appeal to just about anyone. If you’d like to be bald, no problem. Huge as well? Also not an issue. Carrying two swords? Check. Wearing armor only on your legs and arms, leaving that massive chest bare? Sure thing. Why not add a tattoo while you’re at it?   "      -taken from official site


-Has an official forum.



Cons:

-Sounds too good to be true.

-Not a very big community.





SUN : http://www.webzengames.com/Game/Sun/default.asp



Can't seem to get on their site.

Personal opinion: Another Korean grind fest that pulls players in with amazing graphics.





Age of Conan: http://www.ageofconan.com



Pros:

-Unique combat system.

-Nice class customization.

-Has an official forum.



Cons:

-Only thing I can think of is that it sounds like a single player game until you get to max level.





Vanguard: http://www.vanguardsoh.com



-No comment





WAR: http://www.warhammeronline.com



I stopped following this game a while ago.

It looks like it's a 100% PvP game with graphics that are worst than Final Fantasy 1. Why would I pay $15 a month to play a PvP game when BF2/Halo doesn't have a monthly fee?



Just my opinion at the moment, since the game is still in beta.
















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  • CleffyIICleffyII Member, Newbie CommonPosts: 3,440

    Only 3rd gen mmo on that list is Age of Conan, the other ones for the most part are admittedly 2nd gen.  The list of 3rd gen games is actually very small:

    • Age of Conan
    • Huxley
    • Granado Espada

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  • beauxajbeauxaj Member Posts: 245

    So basically you only like games that have official forums.

    Not voting because there are a few on your list that i am watching and NONE of your list  are what i'd call "3rd Gen"

    Whats everyones definition of a 3rd gen mmorpg anyway?

    Sound off and let us know.

  • DeathstinyDeathstiny Member Posts: 386

    oh man... interesting way to "nominate" games.

    I hope all these games do well but despite your trashing of WAR there is no doubt in my mind it will be the runaway success this year. It will destroy WoW's PvP servers. Your comparison to Halo is laughable. If you don't know anything about the game and would like to see some footage that is NOT pre-alpha, feel free to head to our website. I put tons of movies & info on our public forums.

    Deathstiny

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  • skiziskizi Member Posts: 120
    Originally posted by CleffyII


    Only 3rd gen mmo on that list is Age of Conan, the other ones for the most part are admittedly 2nd gen.  The list of 3rd gen games is actually very small:

    Age of Conan
    Huxley
    Granado Espada

    Granado Espada looks like how FF should have been made online.

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  • skiziskizi Member Posts: 120
    Originally posted by beauxaj


    So basically you only like games that have official forums.
    Not voting because there are a few on your list that i am watching and NONE of your list  are what i'd call "3rd Gen"
    Whats everyones definition of a 3rd gen mmorpg anyway?
    Sound off and let us know.
    Well there is a "Other" option for the games that are not on the list. Would be nice to know which game you nominated as your favorite by posting the link.





    My definition as a 3rd gen MMO is how different the game is from every other game that was released (EQ2, WoW). Next generation = not a clone.

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  • teldathteldath Member Posts: 104
    NONE of those are 3rd gen. they are all 2nd gen.



    AION will be the first 3rd gen, mark my words, it comes from a well know developer that is know from making good games.

    and its creativity is far beyond anything anyone has displayed yet.
  • skiziskizi Member Posts: 120
    Everyone has their own definition on what will be the next generation game. You are entitled to your opinion.

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  • jeroen84jeroen84 Member Posts: 10

    For me, the "real" third gen MMO will be Age of Conan. Btw, your con that its a single player game untill the endgame isnt true. Only the first 30 levels are (mostly) without other people and played as an online singleplayer game except in a few towns. The max level is 80. I think its a great idea that gets your character really "into" the gameworld by doing the 'tutorial' part like that.

    As my reasoning I present three things which Ive been looking for in an MMO:

    -Guild based Castle pvp

    -DX10 graphics

    -Different then "normal" EQ/WoW/others combat gameplay

     

    The Chronicles of Spellborn has lots of potential, and I think it will deffinately be a sleeper hit. Not much interested in only arena pvp combat myself though.

     

    WAR will be deffinately a hit. They got great marketing skills and are basing their gameplay on WoW with some innovative ideas and much more faction pvp. Even though I am a fanatic tabletop Games-Workshop wargame player, and as such I know Warhammer to the core.. The fact that WAR will be much like WoW kind of puts me off..

  • LifePositiveLifePositive Member UncommonPosts: 130
    Actually, the single player portion of Age of Conan only goes to level 20, at which point you select your final class based on the archetype you choose at level 5. After you play through the first 20 levels with one character, you can skip it with any character you make after that and just skip right to selecting a class. As was mentioned, the level cap at launch is 80.

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  • b0rderline99b0rderline99 Member Posts: 1,441
    Originally posted by CleffyII


    Only 3rd gen mmo on that list is Age of Conan, the other ones for the most part are admittedly 2nd gen.  The list of 3rd gen games is actually very small:

    Age of Conan
    Huxley
    Granado Espada

    i totally agree
  • GoddyfatherGoddyfather Member Posts: 239
    Age of Conan   

    Gods & Heroes

    Huxley
  • EnigmaEnigma Member UncommonPosts: 11,384

    Skizi

    A lot of MMOs on your poll are 2nd gen mmos

    I'm not gonna vote on misinformation

    People who have to create conspiracy and hate threads to further a cause lacks in intellectual comprehension of diversity.

  • EnigmaEnigma Member UncommonPosts: 11,384
    Originally posted by skizi

    Everyone has their own definition on what will be the next generation game. You are entitled to your opinion.
    actually, there are certain guidelines to what dictates a 3rd gen MMO....not really a matter of opinion.

    People who have to create conspiracy and hate threads to further a cause lacks in intellectual comprehension of diversity.

  • XpheyelXpheyel Member, Newbie CommonPosts: 704

    Third generation is...? Any new feature? I don't know.

    I'd really say that LOTRO is more towards previous games though. The newest thing in there is probably the music system. Monsterplay is basically RvR PVP with some PVE elements in the PVP zone, and one faction can't leave.

    Granado Espada has a new element in its combat system. Needs more fluff features though (in this I do not think it builds on the other generations).

    Huxley is an MMOFPS. So are PlanetSide and WWIIOL.

    TCOS and AOC kind of depend. I agree that the TCOS skill deck and the AOC systems sound new, though IMO it hinges on how much the twitch elements are like their hybrid forerunners.

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  • GameloadingGameloading Member UncommonPosts: 14,182
    Originally posted by Enigma

    Originally posted by skizi

    Everyone has their own definition on what will be the next generation game. You are entitled to your opinion.
    actually, there are certain guidelines to what dictates a 3rd gen MMO....not really a matter of opinion.

    So where are those guidelines then?
  • Deathstrike2Deathstrike2 Member UncommonPosts: 1,777

    I can't wait for all of them to come out!  I'm really tired of the choices we have now.  I crave new MMOs

     

  • w175jabw175jab Member Posts: 239
    This generation classification system that is trying to be established in the MMORPG community is straight up BS.



    How about:



    3rd - Post - WOW

    2nd - WOW

    1st - Pre - WOW



    Now that... is BS , but at least it is more accurate than anything I have seen on this site or any site for that matter. (I'm not a lover or hater of WOW just so we have that straight)



    Maybe 3rd Generation MMOs will be true "sandbox" games (something similar to EVE)... where you be/do whatever you want!



    Bottoms Up!
  • JavamancerJavamancer Member UncommonPosts: 114
    From what I've seen so far, AoC is the only one on that list that I think will be a next generation game.



    That's not to say the others won't be fun, however -- I'm expecting to enjoy WAR and Gods & Heroes and possibly some of the others.
  • BahzBahz Member UncommonPosts: 182
    we are not even at 2nd gen yet ;)
  • RoinRoin Member RarePosts: 3,444
    For a new MMO to be even evaluated as a 3rd gen MMO.   It has to be revolutionary as well as evolutionary.  It can't just evolve and refine the same mechanics that we've been seeing for an entire MMO generation.  I don't think Fantasy MMO's are currently up to the task of becoming 3rd gen.  I think the real first 3rd gen MMO we will see, will be a Sci-Fi MMO or a SciFi/Fantasy Hybrid MMO.  (i.e RFO styled classes, races, armors, and weapons)  As much as i'm looking forward to Age of Conan, Aion, and even Huxley.  To me they are just evolutions of the 2nd gen MMO model.   They aren't 3rd gen they are like 2.5 gen MMO's.  Which isn't a bad thing, i'm sure they'll be plenty fun.  I'll be playing all 3.   Just all my honest opinion on the matter.

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  • ZeroxinZeroxin Member UncommonPosts: 2,515

    Granado is good but not really ....it has a certain lack that keeps me from playing it often. But i think games like

    Tabula rasa

    Pirates of the Burning Sea

    Gods and Heroes have that certain hook that keep you coming back for more, i cant deny that Huxley looks like a great game but i'd rather play Tabula rasa for now.

    This is not a game.

  • skiziskizi Member Posts: 120
    With this genre growing heavily every year, I'm predicting a huge change to the phrase  " (insert number here) generation". In my opinion it's either going to be a game that can make it in the market, or a game that doesn't.

    Just think about it. People crave variety right? back in the UO days there wasn't much to put in an MMO, but players were happy. These days we have at least 20 MMOs coming out every year, some make it, but most don't.



    Ask yourself this: Out of those 20 games that year, how many will actually stand out once they hit the shelves?

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  • promhousepromhouse Member Posts: 6
    Originally posted by Bahz

    we are not even at 2nd gen yet ;)
    First generation is UO, EQ, AC, AO, So the first few MMO's that really set the bar as to what we expect in all MMO's.



    Second generation is DAoC, SWG, Planetside, WoW, EQ2, CoH, GW, DDO, ... etc. They're all the games that took the first generation features and kind of revolutionized it, updated it, made it new and original. We're still in the second generation in my opinion because every MMO coming out isn't adding any new and amazing features that take it to the next level. Arguably Huxley maybe considered 3rd gen but then again you can kind of compare it to Planetside.



    I don't think we'll ever get to a 3rd generation until we see a game that adds something brand new that is totally revolutionary. Maybe something similar to Second Life but without all the loser weird as hell furrys. I mean something along the lines of what The Saga of Ryzom did with a player run economy, and customizable player created dungeons.
  • KurushKurush Member Posts: 1,303
    LotRO isn't really part of a new generation.  It's a good game, but if you strip out the lore and distill the classes, it's too mechanically similar to a game like WoW.



    SUN isn't even worth mentioning.  It follows the usual Asian MMORPG trend of greatly improving player graphics, structure graphics, and combat animations, slightly improving terrain graphics, and leaving everything else as shit.  You fight Sauron, for Pete's sake.  Sauron.  That's the villain of SUN.  If you were wondering, yes, the entire story is a shitty bastardization of Lord of the Rings.  There are Asian games coming out or are our that are honestly something new, even if they're still Asian games at heart.  Look at games like Cabal Online or Granado Espada.



    Honestly, I don't even think Warhammer Online will be part of a new generation.  It seems to basically take the DAoC concept and bring it into the second generation.  I don't know much about Age of Conan, but I think it will honestly be straddling the line.  We'll call it 2.5 gen.  It has unique features, but much of it is second gen stuff, from what I can see.



    What's left?  I think games like Tabula Rasa and Chronicles of Spellborn are good examples of what next generation is, with radically different paradigms underlining their development.  Tabula Rasa promises to actually have territorial exchange between player characters and the enemy faction.  It also has some genuine "shades of gray" type quests, in which you're given two real choices.  Lord Smoked Meats and Fishes recently came out and gave an example.  A medical stimulant is being stolen from a hospital, and you're tasked with figuring out who's doing it.  Eventually, you learn your fellow soldiers are stealing it because they need it.  The hospital needs it too, though.  You have a choice between helping to steal it and causing serious problems at the hospital or cracking down and losing credibility with your fellow soldiers.



    Chronicles of Spellborn takes a page from Guild Wars, giving you a skill system where 90% of your power is based on easily-changed skill choices.  It takes it a step further by removing the autoaim of previous games and making it a bit of an action RPG.  I'm not sure how the game will turn out, ultimately, but if it lives up to promises, I think it'll qualify as next generation.



    I think we need to remember something.  The first titles in a new generation are never the best ones, nor are they usually the ones with the biggest budget.  The big players tend to wait a bit and see what works and what doesn't.
  • CiredricCiredric Member Posts: 723

    Good post Kurush, I have to agree with most everything you said.

    While Warhammer has the potential to be good,  the graphics don't seem to be up to snuff with the others coming out and Mythic has great problems trying to balance pvp classes.  I hope I am wrong about this.

    I think Tabula Rasa has some very innovative ideas in it.  But as many others have said, we will all have to wait and see.

    We will not really know about any of these until they are out and playable.  Look at how much we looked forward to Vanguard, only to find out it was a pile of horse dung under those beautiful graphics.

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