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Yet More Cheating in Eve
Gr4dient
Member Posts: 59
in EVE Online
http://myeve.eve-online.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=490060
Allegations of client modification and account sharing.
I am thinking I should get rid of my last account PDQ. Cause its going to be worthless soon.
But then again I love watching the members of the various alliances defending their own brand of cheating.
Its like watching a train crash in slow motion.
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Well, its the Goonies. They are like that in any game their swarm attacks errr joins.
But hey, in EVE they are just becoming like their enemy, BoD (Band of Developers errr Band of Brothers).
Lately EVE has mutated into something that attracts Goonies .... the penis throwing trash talking denizens of Second Life and other MMORPGS.
Well, says a lot about the direction EVE is drifting lately. And I hope CCP is doing course corrections SOON (TM).
Have fun
Erillion
The goons also come from one of the funniest websites ever, Somethingawful. That site has me dying at my desk at work laughing my ass off. And SecondLife is beyond twisted to begin with - need ppl like the goons there to point out what a mess that place is.
Anyways, all cheating aside, only way I'd come back to eve is if they somehow improved the isk-grind. I'm bored just thinking about mining and ratting and the horrible mission "pve" stuff in there. The pvp is SO good but the pve KILLS it for me.
Well, FUNNY is not the word I had in mind to describe Somethingawful ..... nomen est omen
have fun
Erillion
The goons also come from one of the funniest websites ever, Somethingawful. That site has me dying at my desk at work laughing my ass off. And SecondLife is beyond twisted to begin with - need ppl like the goons there to point out what a mess that place is.
Anyways, all cheating aside, only way I'd come back to eve is if they somehow improved the isk-grind. I'm bored just thinking about mining and ratting and the horrible mission "pve" stuff in there. The pvp is SO good but the pve KILLS it for me.
Ah somethingawful, Love in Warcraft is awesome.
-iCeh
goonswarm's been playing for a bit. besides, unless they take action against the leaders of BOD, for all the account sharing and such which K has shown... they can't do anything against goonies. oh wait, they're a bunch of hypocritical lying douchebags, i guess they could ban goonies; but it won't be until BOD starts losing the northern campaign, i.e. losing BOD systems.
edited to add...
just as a reminder. part of the ccpgames.com mission statement is:
CCP’s mission is to attract and retain customers by providing top quality online entertainment. CCP does this by establishing and nurturing a trust relationship with customers both in terms of quality of content as well as quality of service.
CCP encourages respect, dialog, interaction and cooperation on a deeper level between its employees and customers than is common in online games. By this and through this CCP provides a unique way for improving the quality of its products and creates an inspiring and challenging environment for talent to thrive.
We care more. We work harder.
could we please get correspondent writers and moderators, on the eve forum at mmorpg.com, who are well-versed on eve-online and aren't just passersby pushing buttons? pretty please?
can some1 rehost the pic ?
Yes there are cheaters in EVE. Lots of people account share, some people may use modified client files to help identify hostiles/ships types. It is cheating, but it's not game breaking. Yes, they should be punished, no I don't support it. But it's no reason to quit EVE and no reason to avoid EVE.
I play EVE every day, and I even fight goonies, but I do not believe for a second that their success can be attributed to something as trivial as this. Ban those that use it, if you can prove who uses it, but I for one have had enough of the 'Yet More Cheating in EVE' threads.
Well, the way to stop them is to stop the cheating.
But as long as there are people like you who don't mind giving their mommys cash to ineffectual companies like CCP, then expect these theads to happen, and more frequently,
The funniest thing overall is that people are acting like EVE is the only game that's had cheater issues - or that CCP is somehow out of the ordinary in their dealing with cheaters in their game.
News for you - I'm willing to wager any money that any "big name" alliance has cheated in one way or another, and continues to do so today. The methods may vary, but each is as guilty as the other. Account sharing, client mods, node crashing, macros, and probably even sophisticated hacks are all either known or possible.
When one person cheats, or a small group, a company can take action against them. Lots of games (including EVE) ban lots of single accounts every day for breaking the EULA. When a larger group cheats, or exploits a system such that there's a big impact on the game world, the company has to tread more carefully or face a PR storm - and generally they elect to simply fix / nerf the system rather than face the negative press of dozens or even hundreds of banned gamers / significantly altering the game world for people not involved in the initial exploit of a system. I mean look at what the crusade of one pissed off customer with an axe to grind is causing to EVE's public image. No company wants to garner the same kind of crusade that SWG and SOE have.
Further news - EVE is hardly the first or the only game with a significant portion of "cheaters". Guild buff bots sound familliar? Often account shared. Macros? See the persistent problem with gil / plat / gold / ISK sellers. Client mods? This has reached the point of an art in WoW and other games - I doubt there's even a clause in their EULA against it.
Frankly - CCP would be further ahead to just throw in the towel on the last one. Let the player base mod the UI however they please and when something seems popular use that as the basis for the next generation of "official UI". Saves a couple of programmers' time at least.
Jakin has a point - there are cheaters in every game. Hell, last night I was playing Civ4 by myself and I cheated...
A couple of things in this case that makes it a little more difficult:
1) Some of the Cheaters are Employed by CCP --- there are 2 in recorded history and allegations of countless more. The only 2 proven ones are when the player base managed to scrape together what was essentially undisputable proof. So the question is: Was the player base just lucky and managed to scrape together proof both times the game company employees cheated? Or is it that CCP is only willing to admit it when they have no other option. A wise History teacher of mine once told me that you will always find truth if you "follow the money," I will leave you to decide if that applies here.
2) The game architecture -- Eve is a single universe, and a single server, and is non-instanced, and it is all PVP (even the Market is Player driven). What the means is that actions by players truly effect the game experience of other players. This isn't like if a DEV cheated in an instance in WOW where the instance would be reset in 24 hours and the Dev may have been lucky enough to get an uber sword... if someone cheats in Eve then, for example, they have money to buy equipment to blow another player Starbase up. That represents hours/weeks/months of work for the player to replace. SO ... it's not just that it's unfair - it's that essentially the playerbase has to go do more of the mundane things in the game again because someone had an unfair advantage in blowing up there stuff.
3) CCPs handling -- Many players have a huge problem with the way CCP has handled the cheating. In fact some players have gone so far as to say it isn't the cheating itself, but more CCPs reaction to it. CCP and the player base were obviously a lot tighter in the early years, and there is ALLEGEDLY an "old boy club" that gets quite a bit of preferential treatment and information that effects the game.
So yes - there is cheating, and there will always be cheating. I think the 3 reasons above are the reasons why the recent cheating has sparked off a bit more of a brush fire then usual though. I honestly, sincerely, truly, hope CCP repents from there "plugged ears" method and actually introduces a method based on communication with their player base.
But who knows...
1) Lordslater - (I am doing my best LordSlater Imitation) Please provide me with proof of your Icelandic law claims.
2) Player owned STATIONS - AKA POSs - some Newbs confuse these with OUTPOSTS - However... STATIONS can be blown up.
3) I'm not sure what you are asking for proof on. You want proof that some players belive that there is an old boys club? What - you want a poll? How many people need to answer "yes" to satisfy your need for proof? Should I put this poll up on the main site - or should I use a polling site? Would you like input into how the poll is worded?
4) Please provide proof that these cheats "havant [sic] effected eve at all".
Prove to me that the economy is still ok and that nothing has changed. Do you have access to the inflation information?
Since you are aware of the major war in 0.0 - you are aware that in part this war was set off in part ***directly by the allegations*** correct? You have seen the posts in this very forum that have said "if you have a problem with Bob take it in game'? You are aware that a war of involving 10s of thousands of people changes the economy drastically? Ship prices for example in core market systems like Jita, Oursalent, and Tash-Murkon have steadily been rising. Whereas the faltering regions like Feythabolis the market is crashing as the outgoing inhabitants are mass selling off their assets as they are being displaced?
10 tech 2 BPO's are a drop in the ocean? I would suggest that if you took a poll of all the corporations in Eve and asked them how many wouldn't care if they did or didn't have those BPOs that for most of them they would be fundamental shifters in the economy of those corporations. Yes, for one of the BOB corps it was a small drop in the ocean. But Eve isn't populated by BOB corps. It is populated by much much smaller and inexperienced corps who don't own any T2 BPOs. They would love to have those BPOS.. and those BPOs would fundamentally change the way they played the game.
Again.. these things are not proof. These are your feelings on the issues. Now, I can respect your feelings on the issues, and we can talk about them - and I'm happy to do that. But likewise you have to realize that I am not going to be able to hand you a signed paper from Kieron saying, "Yes, we cheat, everything Ashton692 says is right." --- so lets stop talking about "proof" and start talking about our opinions on the issue - realizing we will never have "proof."
Either that or you better go get a degree in Icelandic HR law because I am expecting an answer to #1 still.
Kugutsumens evidence is backed up by DEV BLOGs which CONFIRM said evidence. I can gladly link you to these dev blogs.
So much for unsubstantiated rumours.
And the effect on EVE subscriber numbers will truely be felt a few months from now when all those cancelled 3,6, 12 month subscriptions wont be renewed. I can only speak from my own experience .. in my corp 4 people stopped playing EVE altogether and many more cancelled secondary and tertiary accounts. Most of these were hard core multiple account players with long duration payment scheme accounts.
Have fun
Erillion
The economy is OK ? Are you playing the same game as me ?
HACs that cost 50 mil in production sold for 150-200 mil because all BPOs are in the hands of cartels ? Read the dev blog, BPO cartels are mentioned there (the "ISK seller" dev blog) , if you want evidence. Same for certain high-demand T2 modules. I wont even go into details about high end complex loot sold by ISK ebay sellers that do professional 10/10 complex camping to earn real life money.
You may think 10 T2 BPOs are a drop in the ocean - i dare say 99 % of EVE players wont agree and would ask you to pretty please hand over that "little drop" - aka 10 money printing machines. And it was never about those 10 BPOs handed over by the developer to RKK. It was more about him telling his player buddies how the BPO lottery really worked (NOT the way it was publically described !). Which allowed them to aquire DOZENS of BPOs , many of them worth more than the 10 BPOs combined. And THAT has led to the economy and political landscape drastically shifting in EVE in the last 2 years.
I am glad that the community is now trying to change this situation by banding together to wipe the cheaters off the map. Cause CCP is clearly NOT up to the task of cleaning up the mess their employee misconduct has created.
Have fun
Erillion