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My thoughts on Warhammer

ClawsysClawsys Member Posts: 109
in Warhammer Online: Age of Reckoning

I think Warhammer is very promising. The lores sound very good. The RvR will make it one of the best game out there. Because let's face it RvR owns. As you could see in Dark age of Camelot. But I wish and hope it will be at least as good and diverse as DAOC.

My main concern is exploring... I mean I love exploring and there was alot of exploring to do in Dark Age of Camelot. But I think the way RvR works in there will affect the size of the game... the high level place will be over crowded in later times. Like getting into guilds and going to hunt rare and strong dragons and stuff.

I wonder if there will be secret, rare dungeons ... alot of quest... hmm .. I guess this is just me ranting. I wonder if you get bigger as a greenskin as you advances wont it affect diversity? Will you be able to look different then other? I mean look if you hate beards will you have to have one cuz thats what shows ur level and stuff :o

What do you guys think?

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  • wjrasmussenwjrasmussen Member Posts: 1,493
    I don't think that fits in with the WAR is everywhere approach in WAR. 
  • DuraheLLDuraheLL Member Posts: 2,951
    What I think? That it sounds stupid. Don't get me wrong, that's your taste, but we all gotta respect and understand where this game is going. It is not made by a company that is predicted to or that TRIES to satisfy EVERYBODY. They are focusing on TWO things which are preserving the true atmosphere of WAR and making a marvelous PvP/RvR experience.

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  • ClawsysClawsys Member Posts: 109

    Don't get me wrong I love PvP, but need I remind you that this is a RPG. Which will contain, guilds, dungeons... almost just like DAOC but instead will be packed full of PVP&PVE mix, think how could it would be to PvE and fight off PvP Players, the only thing I wanted is a vast and rich world and I really don't think it's stupid :)

  • DuraheLLDuraheLL Member Posts: 2,951
    Originally posted by Clawsys


    Don't get me wrong I love PvP, but need I remind you that this is a RPG. Which will contain, guilds, dungeons... almost just like DAOC but instead will be packed full of PVP&PVE mix, think how could it would be to PvE and fight off PvP Players, the only thing I wanted is a vast and rich world and I really don't think it's stupid :)
    Nope, but it's nothing that we should expect since I think the world will be fairly small to begin with. And I don't think you also should expect the "walk where none has walked before, kill what none has killed before" aspect of MMORPG's.

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  • FreddyNoNoseFreddyNoNose Member Posts: 1,558
    Originally posted by Clawsys


    Don't get me wrong I love PvP, but need I remind you that this is a RPG. Which will contain, guilds, dungeons... almost just like DAOC but instead will be packed full of PVP&PVE mix, think how could it would be to PvE and fight off PvP Players, the only thing I wanted is a vast and rich world and I really don't think it's stupid :)



    Well, I see where you are coming from BUT there is nothing that supports all these pet issues of yours within the game as they have described.  It is a war rvr-pvp game as an MMO.

    If you want to assume something, fine that is your choice.  But you can never say you were not informed that it is different from your view of the world. You might consider forgetting about this game as it sounds like you will be disappointed.

  • ClawsysClawsys Member Posts: 109

    well we never know it might not be soo small :x

    anyway, we'll just have to wait and see whats up with it :)

  • KnightblastKnightblast Member UncommonPosts: 1,787
    I don't expect that it will be "too small", but at release it will be smaller than DAoC is now because the focus is on providing great content and integrated RvR all the way through.  Remember that DAoC started out relatively small, too and is bigger now with all the expansions (five of them).  I would expect WAR to grow in size over time, but I don't expect that the initial size (smaller than some other games) will make it "boring" because of the really expanded role of RvR in the whole design concept of the game.
  • broundingbrounding Member Posts: 63
    Originally posted by Clawsys


    Don't get me wrong I love PvP, but need I remind you that this is a RPG. Which will contain, guilds, dungeons... almost just like DAOC but instead will be packed full of PVP&PVE mix, think how could it would be to PvE and fight off PvP Players, the only thing I wanted is a vast and rich world and I really don't think it's stupid :)
    Exactly, it is a RPG (Role-Playing Game) that is focused on PvP.  Just because something is a RPG doesnt mean it has to have guilds or dungeons or anything specific like that.  All it means is that there are roles that can be played and you as a player get to choose what role you want to play in the game.  Such as an Orc Choppa, a Dwarf Engineer, etc..  The rest of the "fuzz" comes along with gameplay and what the devs think will keep players entertained (such as dungeons, guilds, loot, etc).



    You have to remember, this is based on Warhammer.  The Warhammer game was never about exploring the beauty of the countryside and maybe getting together with your buddies at the tavern and having a cold one while singing old folk songs about whatever.  Warhammer is about WAR! Outright hatred of other races and absolute violence towards opposing enemies.  It's about reclaiming lost lands or taking over enemy structures.  Not about some ancient dragon lair that we need to take 40 buddies into in order to get cool gear drops so we stand a better chance in pvp.



    Now granted there will probably be some pve zones for the upper tiers since you'll need something to do when there is no pvp/rvr going on and they will probably have some fun quests too, but i have not heard anything about big exploring zones or dungeons that require more than a group size limit to handle.
  • KnightblastKnightblast Member UncommonPosts: 1,787
    The Warhammer game was never about exploring the beauty of the countryside and maybe getting together with your buddies at the tavern and having a cold one while singing old folk songs about whatever.  Warhammer is about WAR! Outright hatred of other races and absolute violence towards opposing enemies.





    Exactly. It's about living out of a military encampment of tents, endless slogging marches through inhospitable wastes and dank, dark forests where behind every turn, the enemy may stand ... and which you must kill, kill without question, without remorse, kill for survival, for conquest, for justice.



    It's all about the PvP.  That's why Mythic is the best designer for this game.
  • retrospecticretrospectic Member UncommonPosts: 1,466
    Originally posted by Clawsys


    I think Warhammer is very promising. The lores sound very good. The RvR will make it one of the best game out there. Because let's face it RvR owns. As you could see in Dark age of Camelot. But I wish and hope it will be at least as good and diverse as DAOC.
    My main concern is exploring... I mean I love exploring and there was alot of exploring to do in Dark Age of Camelot. But I think the way RvR works in there will affect the size of the game... the high level place will be over crowded in later times. Like getting into guilds and going to hunt rare and strong dragons and stuff.
    I wonder if there will be secret, rare dungeons ... alot of quest... hmm .. I guess this is just me ranting. I wonder if you get bigger as a greenskin as you advances wont it affect diversity? Will you be able to look different then other? I mean look if you hate beards will you have to have one cuz thats what shows ur level and stuff :o
    What do you guys think?
    I think that forcing people to PvP is probably the most brilliant idea I've ever seen in an MMO.  I don't like to explore because it makes the world feel fake.  If I can walk all over the world without worry I am going to /quit and /cancel.  If I see rivers and forests because I'm beating the living hell out of the races that call those places home I will be happy.



    Also, this is coming from someone who is a CAREBEAR by definition.  I am usually on a PvE server because most games tack on a PvP element to a well developed PvE game (WoW).  I hope hope hope WAR makes me PvP or else.





    Also, I think it would be stupid if you could pick something else to decorate yourself.  "I like Dwarf kneecaps instead!" would ruin the lore.  WAR is trying to keep the lore that 23 years have provided.  The MMO is going to offer diversity, I know it.  I think that the way you get beards, skulls, and other stuff is going to make everything nice.

    Doktar - 70 Troll Priest - Perenolde

  • coder1024coder1024 Member Posts: 56

    imo, PvP which is based around static factions like the RvR system in DAoC and, it appears, Warhammer Online just doesn't cut it.  Having the game tell you and enforce who your enemies are and who your allies are makes for an artificial experience.  To me, its all about dynamic battle lines and player conflict driven by the players not by pre-defined factions.

    if they provide a ffa PvP server for Warhammer Online, then I'd consider it.  But if its just RvR, that hardly seems like "real" PvP to me.

  • VolkmarVolkmar Member UncommonPosts: 2,501

    Actually, one of the quest types the Devs have told us about are "Christmas" quest that are supposed to support exactly this mentality :explore explore explore.

    So, yeah, I think you can expect to some extent to find hidden places, path or stuff with things in it that most people would not bother with (until internet sites map them out of course).

    Paul Barnett also told us that their plan is to have, say, 10 black orcs all same Tier lined up right there. You should be able to see from the get go that they are Black orcs but also, as you get nearer, you would see than none of them looks exactly the same. The Trophy system will influence a lot in this as it is totally up to you where and what you place on your armor.

    Finally, if you don't like beards, don't play Dwarves. As far as i know those are the only race (available in the game) for whom Beard is so important and will grow longer as you go up in tiers, none of the other will have a beard issue, you prolly will have beard options for humans and chaos in character creations like in most other MMorpg.

    Have a nice day

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  • YarosYaros Member Posts: 280
    Originally posted by Volkmar



    Finally, if you don't like beards, don't play Dwarves. As far as i know those are the only race (available in the game) for whom Beard is so important and will grow longer as you go up in tiers...
    You can play female dwarf, they don't have beards
  • KyleranKyleran Member LegendaryPosts: 44,060
    Originally posted by coder1024


    imo, PvP which is based around static factions like the RvR system in DAoC and, it appears, Warhammer Online just doesn't cut it.  Having the game tell you and enforce who your enemies are and who your allies are makes for an artificial experience.  To me, its all about dynamic battle lines and player conflict driven by the players not by pre-defined factions.
    if they provide a ffa PvP server for Warhammer Online, then I'd consider it.  But if its just RvR, that hardly seems like "real" PvP to me.



    Im not an expert on Warhammer lore...but I do believe faction based combat fits right into it....

    Sounds like you are more of a Darkfall person.....

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  • retrospecticretrospectic Member UncommonPosts: 1,466
    Originally posted by coder1024


    imo, PvP which is based around static factions like the RvR system in DAoC and, it appears, Warhammer Online just doesn't cut it.  Having the game tell you and enforce who your enemies are and who your allies are makes for an artificial experience.  To me, its all about dynamic battle lines and player conflict driven by the players not by pre-defined factions.
    if they provide a ffa PvP server for Warhammer Online, then I'd consider it.  But if its just RvR, that hardly seems like "real" PvP to me.
    Hi.  I'm glad you are enjoying your oranges.  These apples are tastey!

    Doktar - 70 Troll Priest - Perenolde

  • VolkmarVolkmar Member UncommonPosts: 2,501
    Originally posted by Yaros

    Originally posted by Volkmar



    Finally, if you don't like beards, don't play Dwarves. As far as i know those are the only race (available in the game) for whom Beard is so important and will grow longer as you go up in tiers...
    You can play female dwarf, they don't have beards

     

    you are right! but.... if MALE dwarves beard is what grows with tiers.... what happens to FEMALE dwarves??

    No wait.... I do not wanna know...

    "If you give a man a fish, you feed him for a day, if you teach him how to fish, you feed him for a lifetime"



  • coder1024coder1024 Member Posts: 56
    Originally posted by Kyleran

    Originally posted by coder1024


    imo, PvP which is based around static factions like the RvR system in DAoC and, it appears, Warhammer Online just doesn't cut it.  Having the game tell you and enforce who your enemies are and who your allies are makes for an artificial experience.  To me, its all about dynamic battle lines and player conflict driven by the players not by pre-defined factions.
    if they provide a ffa PvP server for Warhammer Online, then I'd consider it.  But if its just RvR, that hardly seems like "real" PvP to me.



    Im not an expert on Warhammer lore...but I do believe faction based combat fits right into it....

    Sounds like you are more of a Darkfall person.....


    I'm sure it does.  It would be nice to see a FFA server as an alternative though :-)  Yea, Darkfall does look pretty good to me, but its another game in development, so who knows what'll happen.
  • retrospecticretrospectic Member UncommonPosts: 1,466
    Originally posted by Volkmar

    Originally posted by Yaros

    Originally posted by Volkmar



    Finally, if you don't like beards, don't play Dwarves. As far as i know those are the only race (available in the game) for whom Beard is so important and will grow longer as you go up in tiers...
    You can play female dwarf, they don't have beards

     

    you are right! but.... if MALE dwarves beard is what grows with tiers.... what happens to FEMALE dwarves??

    No wait.... I do not wanna know...



    Male Dwarf: Why are ye wearing a kilt?

    Female Dwarf:  Well, ever since we started winning the war me pants haven't fit right.

    Doktar - 70 Troll Priest - Perenolde

  • coder1024coder1024 Member Posts: 56
    Originally posted by retrospectic

    Originally posted by coder1024


    imo, PvP which is based around static factions like the RvR system in DAoC and, it appears, Warhammer Online just doesn't cut it.  Having the game tell you and enforce who your enemies are and who your allies are makes for an artificial experience.  To me, its all about dynamic battle lines and player conflict driven by the players not by pre-defined factions.
    if they provide a ffa PvP server for Warhammer Online, then I'd consider it.  But if its just RvR, that hardly seems like "real" PvP to me.
    Hi.  I'm glad you are enjoying your oranges.  These apples are tastey!

    I think you're looking for the fruit forum; that's one down :-)  Looks like a really cool game.
  • MoNuMeNMoNuMeN Member Posts: 104

    I will PvP my brains out. I see, I kill. If I got this thing right then you can actually gain lvls from killing other players? Imba stuff I say. Give me a bunch of naabs and I shall lvl faster than I can rip of a fart! Shiver me timber!!

  • ClannachClannach Member Posts: 3

    I hadn't really followed warhammer to much since the pc gamer column last year. I have to admit It sounds like the focus on pvp(realm vs realm) is a strong selling point. Way back when I used to play pvp on eq almost exclusively(and nwn). It can be fun if you get a reward from pvp & your tactics play a big part(not just your equipment)-that ruined pvp for me,people with high lvl gear on low characters. No tactics, simply i have better gear so you can never kill me no matter how good a player you are. Well im not sure how warhammers take on pvp is going to be but probably better than most games out there im sure. If its anything like the other warhammer games a focus on huge battles and heros is a must.

  • retrospecticretrospectic Member UncommonPosts: 1,466
    Originally posted by Clannach


    I hadn't really followed warhammer to much since the pc gamer column last year. I have to admit It sounds like the focus on pvp(realm vs realm) is a strong selling point. Way back when I used to play pvp on eq almost exclusively(and nwn). It can be fun if you get a reward from pvp & your tactics play a big part(not just your equipment)-that ruined pvp for me,people with high lvl gear on low characters. No tactics, simply i have better gear so you can never kill me no matter how good a player you are. Well im not sure how warhammers take on pvp is going to be but probably better than most games out there im sure. If its anything like the other warhammer games a focus on huge battles and heros is a must.
    One really nice part about playing a Priest is that a dumb gamer in good gear can still be mind-controlled off a cliff.

    Doktar - 70 Troll Priest - Perenolde

  • xpowderxxpowderx Member UncommonPosts: 2,078
    lol, I watched a Psionicist in vanguard charm a player character. That character went out and killed mobs for the psy only to get killed himself. Was funny as hell if you were the one charming. Lets see charm that little dwarf pally. Ok, have him go kill that mean nasty looking skellie thing.. awesome.. I just got XP from that!! lets do another!! Ohh wait I should DOT that mob to make sure

    ! Woot!!! its dead!! damn Pallies free from my charm.. Hes at 20% health.. Here, lets DOT and DD him!! WOOT!! DED!! Loot,Loot,Loot!! Im happy!!
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