Warhammer Online = WoW clone ??????

gnomexxx · March 2007

I don't get it. How can someone say that Warhammer Online is going to be a WoW clone? The only thing I can gather is that someone would say it out of deceit trying to mislead people into believing something that is not true. That would make someone saying that a very bad person.

Just the timeline alone shows that it's a stupid argument. See, how can something be a clone of something else when it came first?!?!?! I've heard that time is relative, but it ain't that relative. What, has Blizzard taken their millions of dollars they receive each month and placed them, not into game development, but instead into time manipulation. AMAZING!!!! But if this is true then Blizzard holding this technology from the rest of the world makes them very bad people.

I got really curious, so I went to the Games Workshop website. That's the company that makes Warhammer the tabletop game. I'm sure the people who make an immediate assumption from looking at various screenshots have never seen that Warhammer was looking like itself way before WoW began to look like Warhammer (remember the timeline). I also found some other sites that showed the figures. Anyways, here are some of the table tops figures. Judge for yourself. I suddenly found myself wondering how the heck people can say these things even more. Especially when I look at the Warhammer Online screenshots and see near identical representations of their table top figures!

Rehmes · March 2007

Nice screens

Maldach · March 2007

It will incorrectly be labeled as a clone because WoW came out first as an MMO. The teenage crowd who've never heard of Warhammer, but played WoW, see WoW as having come first. Tell them all you want, but we all know how hard headed teenagers can be

Blizzard ripped off, err borrowed, so heavily from Warhammer and D&D that it borders on copyright infringement.

Knightblast · March 2007

People say that because in part they are ignorant about the fact that Blizzard borrowed quite a bit from Warhammer's ideas when crafting the Warcraft universe.

But other people say it's a clone of WoW because (1) it's graphics are appearing to be very colorful and so forth, which reminds people of WoW and (2) it will have a largely quest-based system, which reminds people of WoW.

What I think people are missing is that WAR is going to be a game mostly about RvR PvP, like DAOC is. It's more of a follow-on to DAOC than it is to WoW, although surely some of the ideas of WoW about how to make a game run smoothly, how to make questlines run smoothly and the like, will certainly be used (the developers would be stupid not to). But to be honest, graphics issues aside, I don't see WAR, as it has been described, as being a WoW clone. It's a RvR PvP game, which isn't what WoW really is, despite WoW's PvP features.

DuraheLL · March 2007

Ok listen up OP, me, and most of the people around, are indeed VERY tired of discussing this matter over and over again. It's up to each and everyone to do the research and find out for themselves. If some doesn't and come to the forums and post that it's a clone of whatever they think it's THEIR problem and they should just be ignored. Cus they will find out sooner or later that they are wrong.

And I think more and more people need to learn how TROLLS works! TROLLS posts with NO intention whatsoever to start a PROPER discussion or get something useful out of the whole thing. TROLLS only posts their silly comments to START A FLAME WAR and that is ALL they want. No matter what they say.

The one thing you can do that will satisfy them is to QUOTE them or just REPLY to them. That will make a neverending FLAME-CHAIN which will please them more than enough.

When enough people learn to ignore, we will receive a much more mature and comprehensable enviourment to post in!!!

w175jab · March 2007

Look.

All art is stolen from somewhere.

Fantasy genre is all constantly being built onto as one developer steals the last developers ideas and adds onto them until it is no longer profitable. WoW is not special or exempt from this just because it is incredibly popular at the moment.

Get a grip and stop with the clone bs!

Rayx0r · March 2007

Warhammer tabletop is a strategy game. Warcraft took similiar ideas from warhammer and turned it into an RPG/RTS. Warcraft then stripped any RTS element and made an MMO based off the warcraft lore etc which was very similiar to Warhammer

so, now warhammer.. a tabletop strategy game is making an MMORPG. It should turn out to be a lot like World of Warcraft

chicken..or the egg? Its going to be like having 2 of the same MMO's no matter how you look at it.

Snipan · March 2007

Warhammer was not just a strategy game, it was a role playing game too. Warhammer as computer games is nothing new. I remember when i played some kind of warhammer football game on a friends 486, long before the pentium was released.

The warhammer mmo was canseled if i remember it correct. When WoW became such a huge success, it was yet again interesting to make that warhammer mmo after all. Games Workshop was long before blizzard with its art work, but its a very strange coincidence that they dust off this wow lookalike now.

Celestian · March 2007

WoW = Waiting on Warhammer

At least in regards to decent PVP system.

DuraheLL · March 2007

Originally posted by Snipan

but its a very strange coincidence that they dust off this wow lookalike now.

Not really. In a way it's obvious, that they want to challenge WoW. It's through this way the best of products are made, when one tries to take the throne of the other.

I can find some point sthat somewhat accurates this theory. That when you start WoW, you read "X Years of Warcraft", and when you start WAR you read "XX Years of Warhammer". This - to me - looks pretty much as a little humorous quote from Mythic saying to Blizzard "WE WERE FIRST!"

And then we have the little speach from Paul Barnett in one of the movies you can find if you search around a little in the WAR forum, saying "WoW is basicly the beatles - we are Led Zeppelin" meaning "we might not chose to appeal to EVERYBODY as Blizzard, but we pretty damn well know what we're doing to be special and better on other aspects that you're not.

I just think the very whole deal is amusing and very entertaining And I kinda feel bad about Blizzard in some ways. Like, they truly didn't expect this to happen.

Knightblast · March 2007

Its going to be like having 2 of the same MMO's no matter how you look at it.

How is that so, really? WAR is a RvR PvP-focused game, WoW isn't. Yes, I know WoW has PvP servers, but the PvP in WoW is largely inconsequential and has no point -- it's either "ganking" or "sparring". WAR is going to be RvR like DAOC is, and that's a pretty different focus from WoW.

Gameloading · March 2007

The Only thing WoW could possibly have "stolen" from WAR is the graphics. thats all. If Warhammers gameplay turns out to be EXACTLY like WoW's, then WAR ripped of WoW, not the other way around. it would be impossible for WoW to rip off anything from WAR, since WoW was before WAR.

flakes · March 2007

Does it matter? ... If people like the game when it is released then what difference should it make if a lot of it resembles world of warcraft?It's not like world of warcraft invented mmorpg gaming , it also had a lot of things i allready seen in other mmorpgs.

Cabe2323 · March 2007

Originally posted by Gameloading

The Only thing WoW could possibly have "stolen" from WAR is the graphics. thats all. If Warhammers gameplay turns out to be EXACTLY like WoW's, then WAR ripped of WoW, not the other way around. it would be impossible for WoW to rip off anything from WAR, since WoW was before WAR.

Graphics aren't the only thing WoW stole from warhammer. They also took some of the same names for areas, some of the same ideas about how mobs will look. Before Warhammer all orcs were of a greyish color, just how Tolkien described them. Warhammer made them into the green tribal-like war hungry fighters. That is the same concept Blizzard used. So don't try to claim all blizzard took from warhammer is graphic design.

Also, WoW's gameplay is nothing but a rip off of the MMOs before it. There is nothing revolutionary in the way the game plays. So to say that WAR having the same style gameplay is a rip off of WoW is just laughable.

I know you have played other MMOs gameloading. Didn't you play any of the games that came out before WoW?

Knightblast · March 2007

Originally posted by Cabe2323
Before Warhammer all orcs were of a greyish color, just how Tolkien described them. Warhammer made them into the green tribal-like war hungry fighters. That is the same concept Blizzard used. So don't try to claim all blizzard took from warhammer is graphic design.

Hehe, isn't the "look" of the orcs a matter of graphics?

NatoB · March 2007

If Warhammer is copying WoW then everyone is a fraud cause they all copying J.R.R Tolkien :P

Lowra · March 2007

LOL, just quit the freaking stupid clone discussions, every MMO has simular things, that doesnt make them clones, ofc there are clones but those are mostly lower budget and less known labels.

Cabe2323 · March 2007

Originally posted by Novaseeker

Originally posted by Cabe2323
Before Warhammer all orcs were of a greyish color, just how Tolkien described them. Warhammer made them into the green tribal-like war hungry fighters. That is the same concept Blizzard used. So don't try to claim all blizzard took from warhammer is graphic design.

Hehe, isn't the "look" of the orcs a matter of graphics?

Yes the look is the graphics. But the same concepts of how those orcs act is not. Also the fact that they chose to color them green when orcs up until warhammer were always grey is more then just borrowing the graphic style.

Knightblast · March 2007

Originally posted by Cabe2323

Originally posted by Novaseeker

Originally posted by Cabe2323
Before Warhammer all orcs were of a greyish color, just how Tolkien described them. Warhammer made them into the green tribal-like war hungry fighters. That is the same concept Blizzard used. So don't try to claim all blizzard took from warhammer is graphic design.

Hehe, isn't the "look" of the orcs a matter of graphics?

Yes the look is the graphics. But the same concepts of how those orcs act is not. Also the fact that they chose to color them green when orcs up until warhammer were always grey is more then just borrowing the graphic style.

I agree that Blizzard borrowed heavily from Warhammer when it was crafting the Warcraft universe, but I see the green skin element as being visual. The "lore" part of it -- tribalism, glorification of violence, honor through bloodshed, etc. -- is not visual, but the green skin part is visual to me.

Gameloading · March 2007

Originally posted by Cabe2323

Originally posted by Gameloading

The Only thing WoW could possibly have "stolen" from WAR is the graphics. thats all. If Warhammers gameplay turns out to be EXACTLY like WoW's, then WAR ripped of WoW, not the other way around. it would be impossible for WoW to rip off anything from WAR, since WoW was before WAR.

Graphics aren't the only thing WoW stole from warhammer. They also took some of the same names for areas, some of the same ideas about how mobs will look. Before Warhammer all orcs were of a greyish color, just how Tolkien described them. Warhammer made them into the green tribal-like war hungry fighters. That is the same concept Blizzard used. So don't try to claim all blizzard took from warhammer is graphic design.

Also, WoW's gameplay is nothing but a rip off of the MMOs before it. There is nothing revolutionary in the way the game plays. So to say that WAR having the same style gameplay is a rip off of WoW is just laughable.

I know you have played other MMOs gameloading. Didn't you play any of the games that came out before WoW?

I don't know of any names for areas, I'm not that much into the Warhammer thing, but the fact orcs are green in both Warhammer and WoW is something I also include in the graphic part.

WoW is indeed very similar to other MMORPG's, especialy Everquest and Dark age of Camelot. WoW is not the only one who is very similar to those games, other games are Everquest 2, Lotro,FFXI and Asherons Call 2 (before it died ofcourse). with that said, I still see that each MMORPG has his own special traits. For example, in old Everquest, you were just dumped inside the big town and well, have fun, where games like WoW first let you start in a smaller town. Many games are very similar to EQ, but I still believe every MMORPG has its own unique traits.

Knightblast · March 2007

Originally posted by Gameloading I don't know of any names for areas, I'm not that much into the Warhammer thing, but the fact orcs are green in both Warhammer and WoW is something I also include in the graphic part.

WoW is indeed very similar to other MMORPG's, especialy Everquest and Dark age of Camelot. WoW is not the only one who is very similar to those games, other games are Everquest 2, Lotro,FFXI and Asherons Call 2 (before it died ofcourse). with that said, I still see that each MMORPG has his own special traits. For example, in old Everquest, you were just dumped inside the big town and well, have fun, where games like WoW first let you start in a smaller town. Many games are very similar to EQ, but I still believe every MMORPG has its own unique traits.

I agree that what we see is variations on a theme. WAR is going to be a variation on the main theme of DAoC, with many elements from WoW and other games that have been released since DAoC thrown in. But I don't expect it to be "groundbreaking" or a "rip-off" -- it's just another iteration (and hopefully a welldone one) on some of the common themes of MMOs.

As a side-note, I would recommend to you becoming famililar with the Warhammer universe. It's quite well-done, detailed and gloriously dark -- it's almost the perfect background for a PvP-oriented MMO. That's something that CCP got right with EVE -- make the world story detailed, rich and dark, and you have a great background for a PvP game. In Warhammer's case, the lore is pre-existing and has a whole library of gaming literature and fiction works to draw upon -- and it's a great universe indeed -- that's why Blizzard liked it so much.

HensenLiros · March 2007

WoW managed to get 8 million subscribers. And as you know, a great part of those subscribers weren't MMO players before WoW.

So, dare I say, most WoW players, they don't know ANYTHING about the pre-WoW era, which actually includes the games that made the MMO genre. That's why you still see people saying "WoW invented crafting system" while UO had a way better one in '98, but how could they know that if they started playing MMOs in like 2004+ and never tried playing any other games but WoW? I've heard a guy saying that EQ was a WoW clone once (of course he didn't see EQ graphics), but c'mon that's just pure dumbness.

People will keep saying that for a while, since most WoW players think that WoW created pvp, crafting system, 3d graphics, npcs, town maps, mounts, boats, trees, boxes and orcs.

iddmitri · March 2007

Yeah it will probably have many similarities, same fantasy world and graphics looks very similar but game play will probably be a little different. I didn't play the game so I can't really say.

Kyleran · March 2007

Don't fret...anyone with any knowledge of MMORPG's knows that WAR Online is quite a bit different (in terms of gameplay) than WOW.

Let's just hope Blizzard does an exceptional job with delivering it......

xauss · March 2007

i don't know why the OP and other's are getting their knickers in a twist over this.

yes it has very WoW-like graphics, and since WoW has been out a while and WAR in development it is fair to say it has WoW-like graphics.

sure it is designed with pvp and RvR in mind, so will play a little different, although i assume control and combat will feel very familiar

Galupa · March 2007

Originally posted by Maldach

It will incorrectly be labeled as a clone because WoW came out first as an MMO. The teenage crowd who've never heard of Warhammer, but played WoW, see WoW as having come first. Tell them all you want, but we all know how hard headed teenagers can be
Blizzard ripped off, err borrowed, so heavily from Warhammer and D&D that it borders on copyright infringement.

Please don't judge my generation based on what a few people have said. This topic has been talked and talked about, and some of the Warhammer vets have shared thier knowledge and it is appreciated and accepted by a lot of people. You may not see us posting on these threads because there are so many of them and it's a waste of time. Some people, no matter how old, just will not admit that they are wrong. We'll just have to wait until W.A.R. comes out to see if it is similiar to WoW at all.

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