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macs suck



here are some reasons i think macs suck.



1. only 1 mouse = button bad for games

2. the button is on the bottom too so if you got an fps going you gotta lift so you can continue turning and you gotta shoot you can't click and you die

3. usb only not good idea cause you gotta buy a zillion adapters for the things you plug in then you notice that piece of hardwear you purchased that cost you $75 won't work on mac operating system.

4. if screen breaks you need to buy a whole new mac cause the screen is industrial super glued to the hard-drive and other stuff.

5. weird interface.



please post your mac opinions and no flaming please.
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  • GruntyGrunty Member EpicPosts: 8,657
    All you did was flame.  And you ask for no flaming?
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  • Keebs1984Keebs1984 Member Posts: 1,356
    Its true.



    Macs are not, have not, and will never be as powerful as a PC. In fact I think Macs are a lame, watered down computer for people who want to look sophisticated and cool while computing. Some reasons why they "suck" are:



    They have a horrible design that is based more on aesthetics than anything else.



    A fraction of the third party software support.



    Only a handful of games.



    No ATI or NVidia video card support.



    Are about 4 times more expensive than the cheapest PC.



    Haphazard UI.



    Horrible Customer support.



    Many faulty hardware problems.



    Horrible Web browser.



    All this is actually being typed out on a MacBook. Why? Because despites Macs faults there are a couple of redeeming features, and those being:



    Garage Band

    Final Cut Pro

    Soundtrack Pro



    However any normal person not interested in these programs would be insane to buy a Mac. They are just not economically viable for what they offer.

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  • PhoenixsPhoenixs Member Posts: 2,646
    You can't really hold much of this against mac's anymore. Since most of them have all become "Pc's". Just install Windows if you don't like Mac Os.
  • Keebs1984Keebs1984 Member Posts: 1,356
    Originally posted by Phoenixs

    You can't really hold much of this against mac's anymore. Since most of them have all become "Pc's". Just install Windows if you don't like Mac Os.
    VirtualPC and Bootcamp (the proggies that allow you to run Windows XP) are horrible, buggy, and laggy all at the same time. You can run Windows XP on a Mac, yes, but only a skewed mirror version of Microsoft's glory that is XP.

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  • HorusgirlHorusgirl Member Posts: 120
    Originally posted by Keebs1984

    Its true.



    Macs are not, have not, and will never be as powerful as a PC. In fact I think Macs are a lame, watered down computer for people who want to look sophisticated and cool while computing. Some reasons why they "suck" are:



    They have a horrible design that is based more on aesthetics than anything else.



    A fraction of the third party software support.



    Only a handful of games.



    No ATI or NVidia video card support.



    Are about 4 times more expensive than the cheapest PC.



    Haphazard UI.



    Horrible Customer support.



    Many faulty hardware problems.



    Horrible Web browser.



    All this is actually being typed out on a MacBook. Why? Because despites Macs faults there are a couple of redeeming features, and those being:



    Garage Band

    Final Cut Pro

    Soundtrack Pro



    However any normal person not interested in these programs would be insane to buy a Mac. They are just not economically viable for what they offer.
    Not that I like Mac computers, but the models with the Pro tag have ATI or Nvidia video cards. Safari may suck but so does IE

    On the other things I agree.



    What I find really disturbing though, is that quite a number of apple users behave like religious fanatics. Like:  "Macs are the best thing ever. How dare you question it !"



    And there's the look shiny thing crowd, whose computer is only another gadget to show off. Macs let them descend deep into their shallowness(pun intended) with their design. To that crowd it's more important that their computer fits with the color of their couch, than what it can do.



    The only good thing is the lack of crashes and malware.


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  • Keebs1984Keebs1984 Member Posts: 1,356
    Originally posted by Horusgirl

    Originally posted by Keebs1984

    Its true.



    Macs are not, have not, and will never be as powerful as a PC. In fact I think Macs are a lame, watered down computer for people who want to look sophisticated and cool while computing. Some reasons why they "suck" are:



    They have a horrible design that is based more on aesthetics than anything else.



    A fraction of the third party software support.



    Only a handful of games.



    No ATI or NVidia video card support.



    Are about 4 times more expensive than the cheapest PC.



    Haphazard UI.



    Horrible Customer support.



    Many faulty hardware problems.



    Horrible Web browser.



    All this is actually being typed out on a MacBook. Why? Because despites Macs faults there are a couple of redeeming features, and those being:



    Garage Band

    Final Cut Pro

    Soundtrack Pro



    However any normal person not interested in these programs would be insane to buy a Mac. They are just not economically viable for what they offer.
    Not that I like Mac computers, but the models with the Pro tag have ATI or Nvidia video cards. Safari may suck but so does IE

    On the other things I agree.



    What I find really disturbing though, is that quite a number of apple users behave like religious fanatics. Like:  "Macs are the best thing ever. How dare you question it !"



    And there's the look shiny thing crowd, whose computer is only another gadget to show off. Macs let them descend deep into their shallowness(pun intended) with their design. To that crowd it's more important that their computer fits with the color of their couch, than what it can do.



    The only good thing is the lack of crashes and malware.

    IE used to suck, but with IE7 they seem to have nailed down all the major faults with the old versions like tabs.

    Eternally mine,
    Keebs


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  • Rreka'alRreka'al Member Posts: 450
    Originally posted by Horusgirl

    Originally posted by Keebs1984

    Its true.



    Macs are not, have not, and will never be as powerful as a PC. In fact I think Macs are a lame, watered down computer for people who want to look sophisticated and cool while computing. Some reasons why they "suck" are:



    They have a horrible design that is based more on aesthetics than anything else.



    A fraction of the third party software support.



    Only a handful of games.



    No ATI or NVidia video card support.



    Are about 4 times more expensive than the cheapest PC.



    Haphazard UI.



    Horrible Customer support.



    Many faulty hardware problems.



    Horrible Web browser.



    All this is actually being typed out on a MacBook. Why? Because despites Macs faults there are a couple of redeeming features, and those being:



    Garage Band

    Final Cut Pro

    Soundtrack Pro



    However any normal person not interested in these programs would be insane to buy a Mac. They are just not economically viable for what they offer.
    Not that I like Mac computers, but the models with the Pro tag have ATI or Nvidia video cards. Safari may suck but so does IE

    On the other things I agree.



    What I find really disturbing though, is that quite a number of apple users behave like religious fanatics. Like:  "Macs are the best thing ever. How dare you question it !"



    And there's the look shiny thing crowd, whose computer is only another gadget to show off. Macs let them descend deep into their shallowness(pun intended) with their design. To that crowd it's more important that their computer fits with the color of their couch, than what it can do.



    The only good thing is the lack of crashes and malware.

    For the shinies people, all they have to do is get a different case (look at pyrofury's thread).

    The major problem I have is the inability to customize/upgrade the things. I like being able to buy a few components and switch out old ones instead of buying an entirely new system.

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  • EnigmaEnigma Member UncommonPosts: 11,384

    I have to agree with Blah

    My mother buys macs all the time and I have tried from time to time again to get myself used to it whenever I visited her house.  Bottom line is this:

    If you're a gamer or would even like to casually play a game on a Mac, you are seriously crap out of luck.  Sure, Macs now have those Microsoft PC softwares to run PC applications on a MAC but have you guys used one before?  Oh man...they are bad bad bad.  Lag city and not the real thing. 

    Modern Macs reminds me of those Packard Bells Montgomery Ward used to sell in the early 90s.  They would glue every chip and card to the mobo so you could never upgrade; you ALWAYS had to buy a new one.  Funny how macs are designed the same way.

    People who have to create conspiracy and hate threads to further a cause lacks in intellectual comprehension of diversity.

  • KyorutoKyoruto Member Posts: 794
    Originally posted by Keebs1984



    IE used to suck, but with IE7 they seem to have nailed down all the major faults with the old versions like tabs.
      Eh, I'm still going to use Firefox V2. I just like it better.. Donno why.

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  • Bane82Bane82 Member UncommonPosts: 1,242
    Originally posted by Keebs1984

    Its true.



    Macs are not, have not, and will never be as powerful as a PC. In fact I think Macs are a lame, watered down computer for people who want to look sophisticated and cool while computing. Some reasons why they "suck" are:



    They have a horrible design that is based more on aesthetics than anything else.



    A fraction of the third party software support.



    Only a handful of games.



    No ATI or NVidia video card support.



    Are about 4 times more expensive than the cheapest PC.



    Haphazard UI.



    Horrible Customer support.



    Many faulty hardware problems.



    Horrible Web browser.



    All this is actually being typed out on a MacBook. Why? Because despites Macs faults there are a couple of redeeming features, and those being:



    Garage Band

    Final Cut Pro

    Soundtrack Pro



    However any normal person not interested in these programs would be insane to buy a Mac. They are just not economically viable for what they offer.
    I don't know that they won't be as powerful, cuze they certainly can, after all it's all about replacing the hardware. But I will admit that they simply are not as flexible as PC's are when it comes to upgrading. I think that Macs, while they're good for graphics and what not, I think they are basically "computers for dummies" you know, the, "I don't whanna have to put in a million plugs in the back because I can't tell the printer plug from the modem plug". Where as PC's are more for people who know what they want, and they want to be able to upgrade however much they want. "Today I feel like upgrading to a new graphics card/2 gigs DDR ram/whatever" You can just as easily go to a best buy buy the hardware, and install it yourself. No need for weird USB adaptors/connectors etc.
  • zieenzieen Member, Newbie CommonPosts: 414

    Is there a difference between flaming and pointing out ignorance?

    The OP bashes Macs, while he seems to know little to nothing about them.

    I don't know anyone who uses a 1-button mouse on a Mac. You can go out and buy a nice mouse with several buttons no problem. I don't quite get the USB issue either. I'm using a PC and all external hardware, save my monitor and speakers) is USB. You're either using outdated hardware or eccentric and unique hardware.

    As for the screen breaking, I believe this is the case with most mass-manufactured computers. The screen is the most expensive bit of hardware and costs a lot to replace. I'm a little fuzzy on one aspect, however. Has Apple released a 1-piece (guts/monitor combined) Mac since the iMac?

    Since the final line of the OP supports my point, I'm going to give the guy a break.

    Macs are superior for professional purposes. They're quality, reasonable machines for professional use. They're short-coming is games. If you want to rag on Macs for something other than gaming, you need to rag on companies like Dell and Gateway as well.

    The modern MMORPG is simply not worthy, of the acronym RPG. The straight grind and lack of atmosphere leave me with no choice. From this day forth, World of Warcraft, Everquest 2, and all the games like them shall be referred to as PIGCRAP. People In Guilds Constantly Raiding And Power-leveling

  • NeonShadowNeonShadow Member UncommonPosts: 326
    in conclusion: Macs arent made for gaming. Idiots.
  • GoddyfatherGoddyfather Member Posts: 239
    Mac istent really designed for gaming, its more like an work computer. If your into work, Mac is the chooise, if your into everything else, Windows.
  • GamewizeGamewize Member Posts: 956

    I used a Mac in middle school computer lab, and I have to say, they pretty much suck. It takes 5 minutes to navigate to a file when on a PC it would take me 5 seconds. These things are just glorified office computers, and even PCs are taking over that job.

    Heres a nive quote I read:

    Mac User: Name ONE thign your PC can do that my Mac can't.
    PC User: Right click.

    As well, those Mac commercials annoy me to the point of enraging me.

    MAC: Office work
    PC: Everything else.

    I think it's the objective of your past self to make you cringe.

  • iddmitriiddmitri Member UncommonPosts: 671

    You can't actually upgrade Mac nor play any good games and I think most of the intelligent people use PC instead of Mac no disrespect. For average Joe who cares only about checking email and printing something Mac will do.

  • Keebs1984Keebs1984 Member Posts: 1,356
    Originally posted by zieen


    Is there a difference between flaming and pointing out ignorance?
    The OP bashes Macs, while he seems to know little to nothing about them.
    I don't know anyone who uses a 1-button mouse on a Mac. You can go out and buy a nice mouse with several buttons no problem. I don't quite get the USB issue either. I'm using a PC and all external hardware, save my monitor and speakers) is USB. You're either using outdated hardware or eccentric and unique hardware.
    As for the screen breaking, I believe this is the case with most mass-manufactured computers. The screen is the most expensive bit of hardware and costs a lot to replace. I'm a little fuzzy on one aspect, however. Has Apple released a 1-piece (guts/monitor combined) Mac since the iMac?
    Since the final line of the OP supports my point, I'm going to give the guy a break.
    Macs are superior for professional purposes. They're quality, reasonable machines for professional use. They're short-coming is games. If you want to rag on Macs for something other than gaming, you need to rag on companies like Dell and Gateway as well.
    I currently use a one button mouse on my MacBook. I don't currently have the time or will to drag a mouse around with me wherever I go. Its quite annoying and the simple fact that Mac put it there definitely shows that Mac was thinking more in terms of aesthetics as opposed to functionality.



    Also Macs are for very specific professional uses. The ONLY reason I would use a Mac professionally is if I were in the entertainment industry. These are great machines for video editting, sound recording, graphics, and sound editting. Anything beyond that the machines pale in comparison.



    Most people who buy a Mac want it because they think it makes them look different, or sophisticated as the advertising tells them it will.



    There shortcomings stretch far beyond the realm of games. The complete lack of customization screams at me as I type this just for one example. However, you are right PC company's like Dell and Gateway are horrible and do some of the same shit, especially in terms of customization. This goes to show that we hate these PC makers as much as we hate Macs, they share the same faults. The only thing is if we want a PC we aren't forced to buy a Dell or a Gateway, we can literally walk to our local electronics store and buy all the equipment we need and make it ourselves. There is no way in hell you would ever be able to do that with a Mac.

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  • n25phillyn25philly Member Posts: 1,317
    Originally posted by blah40000



    here are some reasons i think macs suck.



    1. only 1 mouse = button bad for games

    2. the button is on the bottom too so if you got an fps going you gotta lift so you can continue turning and you gotta shoot you can't click and you die

    3. usb only not good idea cause you gotta buy a zillion adapters for the things you plug in then you notice that piece of hardwear you purchased that cost you $75 won't work on mac operating system.

    4. if screen breaks you need to buy a whole new mac cause the screen is industrial super glued to the hard-drive and other stuff.

    5. weird interface.



    please post your mac opinions and no flaming please.
    I'm definately not a big fan of macs, but if those are the worst things you found, then you must not have used one for more than five minutes.

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  • n25phillyn25philly Member Posts: 1,317
    The hardware isnt that much differnt, its how both companies actually handle business thats different

    PC dont mind letting any tom-dick and harry build components for their systems, its how chip manufacturers make money. Microsoft is then forced to support one billion bits of hardware in its software, this is a very difficult thing to do while trying to keep stability high.



    Macs dont let anyone touch their private bits, this means that MacOS is a very stable OS which wont crash, regardless of what mac you actually have.



    Windows is one of the worst operating systems for any specific application, it is only when you look at windows as a whole that you see the benefits.



    Graphics ? Mac

    Sound ? Mac

    Network admin ? Solaris

    networking ? Linux

    Games ? Ill give ya games, if we agree that consoles dont count as operating system (which i do count, but ill give it to you anyway)
    So when my Macbook crashes about twice a day I should tell it that it's not supposed to do that?

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  • skywisenightskywisenight Member UncommonPosts: 348
    Really, what's the point to this?  Most of you don't like macs and now the rest of us know... and?



    "if screen breaks you need to buy a whole new mac" - well, that depends on which one you buy, doesn't it?  Get a mini or the tower and you can get whatever you want.  You also have to remember, the largest majority of people out there don't know how, or care to, build their own computer.  The mac brand appeals to this audience a lot.



    There are lots of things about each os/hardware that are unappealing, and also appealing.  It's all about finding a balance that one finds acceptable.  As been stated many times before, find one for it's strength and go with that.  I have 5 machines here, 2 macs, 2 win, and 1 *nix, and I think they are all good, depending on what I'm doing or using them for.



    Reliabilty = nix and mac.  They never restart, never crash, and work as intended.

    Games = xp, of course.

    Kids = mac.  I have no patience to bother keeping up running scanners/checkers for junk on their computer, since they are less savvy.

    Servers = nix and mac.  See reliabilty.

    Work = (in order of preference) mac, xp, nix.  Photoshop is pretty well a must and everything else I use is platform independant.  I tend to get less distracted on mac and nix though.



    So, the point, who cares, everyone is different, and get what you want, and don't complain that not every one agrees with your outlook.



    - Typed on a mac, by someone who likes using it (quicksilver and hotkey junkie, no dock for me thank-you.)
  • Fa|conFa|con Member Posts: 57
    Once Vista becomes mainstream, it will cause the gap between Macs and PC's to become even wider. Vista is a great OS (I'm running it right now) and once the bugs get worked out of it, it will be even better.
  • zieenzieen Member, Newbie CommonPosts: 414

    I like skywisenight's post better than mine. It sounds less like a rant, so I'm going to claim it as my own. Move along now skywisenight.... nothing to see here.

    The modern MMORPG is simply not worthy, of the acronym RPG. The straight grind and lack of atmosphere leave me with no choice. From this day forth, World of Warcraft, Everquest 2, and all the games like them shall be referred to as PIGCRAP. People In Guilds Constantly Raiding And Power-leveling

  • Bane82Bane82 Member UncommonPosts: 1,242
    Originally posted by Keebs1984

    Originally posted by zieen


    Is there a difference between flaming and pointing out ignorance?
    The OP bashes Macs, while he seems to know little to nothing about them.
    I don't know anyone who uses a 1-button mouse on a Mac. You can go out and buy a nice mouse with several buttons no problem. I don't quite get the USB issue either. I'm using a PC and all external hardware, save my monitor and speakers) is USB. You're either using outdated hardware or eccentric and unique hardware.
    As for the screen breaking, I believe this is the case with most mass-manufactured computers. The screen is the most expensive bit of hardware and costs a lot to replace. I'm a little fuzzy on one aspect, however. Has Apple released a 1-piece (guts/monitor combined) Mac since the iMac?
    Since the final line of the OP supports my point, I'm going to give the guy a break.
    Macs are superior for professional purposes. They're quality, reasonable machines for professional use. They're short-coming is games. If you want to rag on Macs for something other than gaming, you need to rag on companies like Dell and Gateway as well.
    I currently use a one button mouse on my MacBook. I don't currently have the time or will to drag a mouse around with me wherever I go. Its quite annoying and the simple fact that Mac put it there definitely shows that Mac was thinking more in terms of aesthetics as opposed to functionality.



    Also Macs are for very specific professional uses. The ONLY reason I would use a Mac professionally is if I were in the entertainment industry. These are great machines for video editting, sound recording, graphics, and sound editting. Anything beyond that the machines pale in comparison.



    Most people who buy a Mac want it because they think it makes them look different, or sophisticated as the advertising tells them it will.



    There shortcomings stretch far beyond the realm of games. The complete lack of customization screams at me as I type this just for one example. However, you are right PC company's like Dell and Gateway are horrible and do some of the same shit, especially in terms of customization. This goes to show that we hate these PC makers as much as we hate Macs, they share the same faults. The only thing is if we want a PC we aren't forced to buy a Dell or a Gateway, we can literally walk to our local electronics store and buy all the equipment we need and make it ourselves. There is no way in hell you would ever be able to do that with a Mac.I'll definetely agree with you that a lot of my film teachers agree Mac is great for video editing. But I didn't have much experience using Mac as an editing tool. I only used iMovie editor and it stunk. It paled in comparison to Adobe Premiere (which I learned in a PC) Heck even Vegas Studio was better. I don't know what other editing products Mac has, but I'm sure they're also made for PC as well.
  • zieenzieen Member, Newbie CommonPosts: 414

    Adobe Premier is the best video editing software for PC. Final Cut Pro is the best, period. But I settle for Adobe so I can live with a single self-built computer.

    The modern MMORPG is simply not worthy, of the acronym RPG. The straight grind and lack of atmosphere leave me with no choice. From this day forth, World of Warcraft, Everquest 2, and all the games like them shall be referred to as PIGCRAP. People In Guilds Constantly Raiding And Power-leveling

  • Keebs1984Keebs1984 Member Posts: 1,356

    There is no beating Final Cut Pro for video and sound editting.

    As much as I love Windows, I will NEVER use a video editting program made for it simply because Final Cut Pro is just so damn good. It seems like my potential is unlimited when using that software. Even major movie studios are beginning to use it to edit their movies, Sky Captain and the World of Tomorrow was the first major motion picture to be editted using Final Cut Pro. It is simply that good.

    Mac hasn't done too many things that are good, in my opinion, but they have made one hell of a video editting program.

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  • BuzWeaverBuzWeaver Member UncommonPosts: 978

    As an Apple Specialist I was a bit hesitant to respond simply because the original poster must not have a very good working knowledge of Mac’s, however I’m responding not to critic the OP, but simply to suggest that the Mac Pro can be speced out to out perform most PC based systems. I would not suggest a Mac to any true high-end gamer, this is common knowledge, however for a starter computer or people who don’t want too much fuss about operating a PC they are great systems.

     

    I enjoy both worlds and I run nearly all my games on my PC, however I use my Mac for music and video editing (among other things). I don’t think Mac will ever be a big contender in the gaming market, but with BootCamp its interesting how well Windows performs to include PC centric games being played on a Mac. We know the obvious disadvantages to having a Mac, but I’ve learned how to get around quite a few of those hang-ups.

     


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