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German judge rules Koran allows wife abuse...WTF
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BERLIN (AFP) - A German woman judge has refused a Moroccan-born woman permission to file for divorce by interpreting the Koran as allowing husbands to beat their wives.
What is it with the Koran? You are allowed to beat your wife and also rape including slavery? WTF
Do they really believe this? You cant take these quotes to heart, you just cant.
Wife Beating?
Chapter 4, called “Women”, verse 34
"Men are superior to women on account of the qualities with which God has gifted the one above the other, and on account of the outlay they make from their substance for them. Virtuous women are obedient, careful, during the husband's absence, because God has of them been careful. But chide those for whose refractoriness you have cause to fear; remove them into beds apart, and scourge them: but if they are obedient to you, then seek not occasion against them: verily, God is High, Great!"
Rape and Slavery?
Quotes from the Koran:
Chapter 33 verse 50 of the Koran (Rape):
"O Prophet! Lo! We have made lawful unto thee thy wives unto whom thou hast paid their dowries, and those whom thy right hand possesseth of those whom Allah hath given thee as spoils of war, and the daughters of thine uncle on the father's side and the daughters of thine aunts on the father's side, and the daughters of thine uncles on the mother's side and the daughters of thine aunts on the mother's side who emigrated with thee, and a believing woman if she give herself unto the Prophet and the Prophet desire to ask her in marriage a privilege for thee only, not for the [rest of] believers. We are aware of that which We enjoined upon them concerning their wives and those whom their right hand possess that thou mayst be free from blame, for Allah is Forgiving, Merciful."
Sura 4 (The Women), Verse 92. (Slavery)
And it does not behoove a believer to kill a believer except by mistake, and whoever kills a believer by mistake, he should free a believing slave, and blood-money should be paid to his people unless they remit it as alms; but if he be from a tribe hostile to you and he is a believer, the freeing of a believing slave (suffices), and if he is from a tribe between whom and you there is a covenant, the blood-money should be paid to his people along with the freeing of a believing slave; but he who cannot find (a slave) should fast for two months successively.
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Folly is close to the heart of a child, but the rod of discipline will drive it far from him. (Proverbs 22:15)
So this is what the Lord Almighty says about them: "I will punish them! Their young men will die in battle, and their little boys and girls will starve. Not one of these plotters from Anatoth will survive, for I will bring disaster upon them when their time of punishment comes." (Jeremiah 11:22-23)
Wives, be subordinate of your husbands, as is proper in the Lord. (Colossians 3:18)
As you approach a town to attack it, first offer its people terms for peace. If they accept your terms and open the gates to you, then all the people inside will serve you in forced labor. But if they refuse to make peace and prepare to fight, you must attack the town. When the LORD your God hands it over to you, kill every man in the town. But you may keep for yourselves all the women, children, livestock, and other plunder. You may enjoy the spoils of your enemies that the LORD your God has given you. (Deuteronomy 20:10-14)
If a man is caught in the act of raping a young woman who is not engaged, he must pay fifty pieces of silver to her father. Then he must marry the young woman because he violated her, and he will never be allowed to divorce her. (Deutoronomy 22:28-29)
Thus says the Lord: 'I will bring evil upon you out of your own house. I will take your wives [plural] while you live to see it, and will give them to your neighbor. He shall lie with your wives in broad daylight. You have done this deed in secret, but I will bring it about in the presence of all Israel, and with the sun looking down.'
Then David said to Nathan, "I have sinned against the Lord." Nathan answered David: "The Lord on his part has forgiven your sin: you shall not die. But since you have utterly spurned the Lord by this deed, the child born to you must surely die." [The child dies seven days later.] (Samuel 22:11-14)
I could go on, but I hope you get the point. The Bible advocates rape, child abuse, slavery, child killing, female subordination, and a slew of other equally horrific things. Of course, God changed his mind about these things in the New Testament, but I didn't think omnipotent beings practiced moral relativity.
Folly is close to the heart of a child, but the rod of discipline will drive it far from him. (Proverbs 22:15 NAB)
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There was a story a while back about a girl that killed a would be rapist and was sentenced to life because the Koran doesn't allow killing no matter the reason.
ok, so from what I gather, this was in the Old Testament. The New Testament doesnt condone any of that, right?
So, with that said, does the Koran change its views also? Or do people really believe that stuff? I am not a Bible Thumper so forgive my ignorance.
In any case, it is interesting that the Bible talks of that stuff too. I guess back in those days, life was pretty cruel.
As far as the Koran goes, I'm not sure if it changes positions, but at least in this particular case the person is devout enough not to pick and choose what to believe from the sacred book.
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Religious texts are ripe with innacuracies, contradictions, and crimes against humanity.
Don't act surprised when you find it in the Bible as well as the Quran.
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I'm sure alot of the contradictions come from different people writing different parts, and later other people changing them in ways that best fit himself, or like now, the time.
Anyway, that ruling is sick.
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All of them have contradictions or omissions in them. Look at Matthew and Luke. Both talk of the birth of Christ but only one talks about Herod killing babies in hopes of preventing the messiah. you would think something that important would make it into both books. Also another good one is to compare the crucifixion and aftermath in each book. All of them are different.
Its because many books were written up to 600 years after the facts. No way its going to be accurate. And in regards to the Old Testament some books were written up to 2,500 years after the events supposedly took place. Heck in every Bible I read it names the Pharoah during the Exodus as Ramses. Yet evidence shows that during Ramses time Jews were not slaves and treated as equals. Also no evidence speaks of an exodus during his reign. His first born son died in his 40s from a blow to the back of the head. Yet during a different pharaoh's time there was alot of supporting evidence of a exodus. Ahmose is the name of that Pharaoh. But that particular story was written some 1,500 years after if happened. So its quite possible the writers of that book said "What is the name of the pharoah? Eh lets call him Ramses since that is the only one I can remember.".
That is why I dont trust the bible for facts. The message is there and a good one. But dont take the events as fact. Some events happened differently, in a different era, or were out right fables.
Kai
As far as the Koran goes, I'm not sure if it changes positions, but at least in this particular case the person is devout enough not to pick and choose what to believe from the sacred book.
God did not "change his mind" as people often seem to believe when it comes to the new and old testament...the New Testament, and Jesus' life, fulfills all of the laws given by the old testament when Jesus died...and a savior who would come and die was foretold in the old testament, therefore God didn't change his mind, it was his plan all along.
Your argument is like a two legged dog with an eating disorder...weak and unbalanced.
As far as the Koran goes, I'm not sure if it changes positions, but at least in this particular case the person is devout enough not to pick and choose what to believe from the sacred book.
God did not "change his mind" as people often seem to believe when it comes to the new and old testament...the New Testament, and Jesus' life, fulfills all of the laws given by the old testament when Jesus died...and a savior who would come and die was foretold in the old testament, therefore God didn't change his mind, it was his plan all along. I don't follow. How did Jesus fulfill the OT laws? Jesus advocated turning the other cheek, the OT supports an eye for an eye. Every law from the OT is ignored in the NT.
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As far as the Koran goes, I'm not sure if it changes positions, but at least in this particular case the person is devout enough not to pick and choose what to believe from the sacred book.
God did not "change his mind" as people often seem to believe when it comes to the new and old testament...the New Testament, and Jesus' life, fulfills all of the laws given by the old testament when Jesus died...and a savior who would come and die was foretold in the old testament, therefore God didn't change his mind, it was his plan all along.I don't follow. How did Jesus fulfill the OT laws? Jesus advocated turning the other cheek, the OT supports an eye for an eye. Every law from the OT is ignored in the NT.By Jesus living and dying as a perfect example to us, he lifted humans from the confines of the law...It's the reason why Christians are allowed to eat pork, whereas jews still are not. You need to understand that the law was not actually written by God, Jesus tells us that the law was given to men by Moses, so that they would know how to live better lives...the law is, by the Bible's omission, not God's word.
Your argument is like a two legged dog with an eating disorder...weak and unbalanced.
As far as the Koran goes, I'm not sure if it changes positions, but at least in this particular case the person is devout enough not to pick and choose what to believe from the sacred book.
God did not "change his mind" as people often seem to believe when it comes to the new and old testament...the New Testament, and Jesus' life, fulfills all of the laws given by the old testament when Jesus died...and a savior who would come and die was foretold in the old testament, therefore God didn't change his mind, it was his plan all along.I don't follow. How did Jesus fulfill the OT laws? Jesus advocated turning the other cheek, the OT supports an eye for an eye. Every law from the OT is ignored in the NT.By Jesus living and dying as a perfect example to us, he lifted humans from the confines of the law...It's the reason why Christians are allowed to eat pork, whereas jews still are not. You need to understand that the law was not actually written by God, Jesus tells us that the law was given to men by Moses, so that they would know how to live better lives...the law is, by the Bible's omission, not God's word.
But who gave the laws to Moses? According to the Old Testament it was God that gave him the commandments. So it was, in point of fact, God's word. So if that is true then one of two things is going on. Either Jesus was just a man interpreting scriptures as he felt they should be or the New Testament is wrong in what Jesus meant or said. Either way The New Testament also has alot of issues.
Kai
KaiI honestly don't remember the specific book or passage of the Bible in which Jesus clarifies why Moses gave the law to the Jews, if I can find it...I will post it here for you to read.
Your argument is like a two legged dog with an eating disorder...weak and unbalanced.
Maybe nobody has seen the memo:
God is dead.
Back on topic, does it really surprise anyone that a German court would allow attrocity as legal? After all, this is the same government who will adamantly tell a Jewish person that the Holocaust never happened, 6 million people just disappeared one day.
Appearently they all moved to Florida. =(
European's desperate fawning to PC notions of diversity shall herald in a new era of Europistan.
This is absolutely vile. You can't help but sit back and realize all the anti-israel proganda has roots in this antisemetic garbage. Apparently Europe has learned nothing from the Holocaust and is quickly ushering one of their favorite past times back into the for front of the social and political scene, pogroms and jew hunts.
This is absolutely vile. You can't help but sit back and realize all the anti-israel proganda has roots in this antisemetic garbage. Apparently Europe has learned nothing from the Holocaust and is quickly ushering one of their favorite past times back into the for front of the social and political scene, pogroms and jew hunts.
Except this case is about a totally differnet religion.
And where are the Jew hunts? I would like to know.
This is absolutely vile. You can't help but sit back and realize all the anti-israel proganda has roots in this antisemetic garbage. Apparently Europe has learned nothing from the Holocaust and is quickly ushering one of their favorite past times back into the for front of the social and political scene, pogroms and jew hunts.
Except this case is about a totally differnet religion.
And where are the Jew hunts? I would like to know.
First point WisebutCruel and I are discussin the issue of holocaust denile. I brought into the picture the issue of Europe's horrific back history and how the malicious intent of holocaust denile fits into the treatment of Europe's Jewry. I've already responded to my digust regarding Koranic law trumping German state law.
Second point; open a history book. Jewish Pogroms are historic atrocities Jews have had to endure during their stay in Europe (and even in the middle east particularly during the years of the Great Rebellion). As for modern Jew hunts, antisemitic crimes have been on the rise in Europe for years.