I do not see what the big deal is about the UI. It has been tried and found to work very well, so who really cares if they took it? Through mods you change the UIs anyways so I have rarely seen any of the first UIs games use.
it's not that they took it that is wrong.
It's the philosophy behind Vanguard itself. Everything is borrowed. The UI is just one example; there is no originality to this game.
Well if I may borrow a chant from my school when we beat a team in football that is ranked much higher than us: Vanguard is umm, well to put it nicely ---> "OVER RATED"
You guys were right about the UI and I was wrong. I suggest players take a lesson here and learn it is okay to be wrong about things.
Woah, woah, woah! Who ever admits they are wrong on an internet message board? What happened to the old school I am right about everything all the time gamer?
You guys were right about the UI and I was wrong. I suggest players take a lesson here and learn it is okay to be wrong about things.
Nice. Your second sentence totally negated any positive effect brought on by your first sentence.
"I was wrong but instead of apology I'll use this post to take a shot at everyone else on these forums who hasn't pointed out the fact that I was wrong ... in this thread." or a short version "LoL, at least i am not an asshole like teh otherz haha"
I am not calling anybody names, but there are many people who just can not seem to ever admit when they are wrong. Look at GAMELOADING of the wow forum for instance.
I have been taught that when you are wrong, it does you know good in denying it, and if you can never admit when you are wrong, nobody will ever take you seriously.
I remember being really excited for this game and I really felt like Brad's "vision" was THE mmo I have been waiting all my life to play. But I also rememeber spending alot of time reading the F.A.Q. and thinking "Sheeeesh! How are they gonna implement that!?". It got to the point where I actually started to question Brad's vision and thought that maybe he was getting a little too ambitious or ahead of himself. I started to worry about the state of the game as the beta was coming to an end.
Either way. I think what it comes down to is that Brad wanted to offer us a product that would make alot of people happy, and for him to see all the people who are upset by his product is really tearing him up right now. That and the 30 million debt.
If you can find some of the older articles and interviews, it's obvious they entended for the game to be even more hardcore than it is now. Thanks to the sudden 180 degree turn in the middle of development, they fell behind schedule and ended up with a clumsy mish-mash of hardcore and casual aspects.
I think you are dead on here.
I really don't get why anyone is complaining the game is too hardcore or too much like EQ1. I thought that was the whole point of Vanguard. I became interested in Vanguard soley because I perceived it as a rejection of the overall trend of MMOs being dumbed downed/made easy (ie WoW, post NGE SWG,etc.). They were clear this was intended for a certain audience and not everyone was going to like it. To me, if anything, Vanguard isn't nearly hardcore enough. Some people are already at max level! I thought that was going to take years, not weeks to do that. There is a death penalty, but not much of one. Sure distances are big, but you get a mount at level 10.
If you can find some of the older articles and interviews, it's obvious they entended for the game to be even more hardcore than it is now. Thanks to the sudden 180 degree turn in the middle of development, they fell behind schedule and ended up with a clumsy mish-mash of hardcore and casual aspects.
I think you are dead on here.
I really don't get why anyone is complaining the game is too hardcore or too much like EQ1. I thought that was the whole point of Vanguard. I became interested in Vanguard soley because I perceived it as a rejection of the overall trend of MMOs being dumbed downed/made easy (ie WoW, post NGE SWG,etc.). They were clear this was intended for a certain audience and not everyone was going to like it. To me, if anything, Vanguard isn't nearly hardcore enough. Some people are already at max level! I thought that was going to take years, not weeks to do that. There is a death penalty, but not much of one. Sure distances are big, but you get a mount at level 10.
"Our aim, quite simply, is to offer an alternative to an online gaming genre that is dominated by a few very large and quite excellent games right now (Final Fantasy XI and World of Warcraft come to mind). Why? Because life, especially entertainment, is about choices. And, really, so is Vanguard itself. It’s about freedom of choice. It contains content and quests and adventures for all sorts of people -- casual players, 'core' players, and even those who spend a lot of time in these games raiding in large groups -- we're all about making a world that is inclusive, *not* exclusive."
I don't care about Sigil, Brad McQuaid or "the vision". I do care about seeing anything connected to SOE fail and fail miserably and publicly.
I am seriously overjoyed that this game has turned into a big trainwreck and if you look at the desperate measures they are taking to turn it around they are right out of the SOE playbook. Double xp, increasing mob xp, adding transporters for faster travel and nerfing classes in the name of "balance" instead of fixing game-breaking bugs. SOE is completely in charge and I'm sure they are putting the pressure on Brad to stop the negative publicity.
My prediction still stands that within six months Sigil will sell the game to SOE and move on to the next version of the vision. In the meantime I am loving the forum drama and bad press the game is getting.
May i ask why?, we ARE talking about a GAME right?
SOE is a company. I want to see that company fail. What was your point again?
Do you live in a dream world or what lol poor jedi
I don't care about Sigil, Brad McQuaid or "the vision". I do care about seeing anything connected to SOE fail and fail miserably and publicly.
I am seriously overjoyed that this game has turned into a big trainwreck and if you look at the desperate measures they are taking to turn it around they are right out of the SOE playbook. Double xp, increasing mob xp, adding transporters for faster travel and nerfing classes in the name of "balance" instead of fixing game-breaking bugs. SOE is completely in charge and I'm sure they are putting the pressure on Brad to stop the negative publicity.
My prediction still stands that within six months Sigil will sell the game to SOE and move on to the next version of the vision. In the meantime I am loving the forum drama and bad press the game is getting.
May i ask why?, we ARE talking about a GAME right?
SOE is a company. I want to see that company fail. What was your point again?
Do you live in a dream world or what lol poor jedi
I don't care about Sigil, Brad McQuaid or "the vision". I do care about seeing anything connected to SOE fail and fail miserably and publicly.
I am seriously overjoyed that this game has turned into a big trainwreck and if you look at the desperate measures they are taking to turn it around they are right out of the SOE playbook. Double xp, increasing mob xp, adding transporters for faster travel and nerfing classes in the name of "balance" instead of fixing game-breaking bugs. SOE is completely in charge and I'm sure they are putting the pressure on Brad to stop the negative publicity.
My prediction still stands that within six months Sigil will sell the game to SOE and move on to the next version of the vision. In the meantime I am loving the forum drama and bad press the game is getting.
May i ask why?, we ARE talking about a GAME right?
SOE is a company. I want to see that company fail. What was your point again?
Do you live in a dream world or what lol poor jedi
Anybody who doesn't believe that SOE is in the driver's seat with regards to Vanguard is living in a dream world. Anybody who believes that SOE won't screw over current Vanguard players in a desperate attempt to lure in new players is living in a dream world.
I don't care about Sigil, Brad McQuaid or "the vision". I do care about seeing anything connected to SOE fail and fail miserably and publicly.
I am seriously overjoyed that this game has turned into a big trainwreck and if you look at the desperate measures they are taking to turn it around they are right out of the SOE playbook. Double xp, increasing mob xp, adding transporters for faster travel and nerfing classes in the name of "balance" instead of fixing game-breaking bugs. SOE is completely in charge and I'm sure they are putting the pressure on Brad to stop the negative publicity.
My prediction still stands that within six months Sigil will sell the game to SOE and move on to the next version of the vision. In the meantime I am loving the forum drama and bad press the game is getting.
May i ask why?, we ARE talking about a GAME right?
SOE is a company. I want to see that company fail. What was your point again?
Do you live in a dream world or what lol poor jedi
Anybody who doesn't believe that SOE is in the driver's seat with regards to Vanguard is living in a dream world. Anybody who believes that SOE won't screw over current Vanguard players in a desperate attempt to lure in new players is living in a dream world.I know i asked this before but we ARE talking about a GAME right?
Please don't confuse "talking points" and salesmanship on Brad's website with "vision." All he is doing is mouthing the words their marketing plan says will bring in more subscriptions: "freedom"; enjoyment by all playstyles, etc. He does the same thing in every ad, in every video, and in every interview.
That's not the vision. The vision is that piece of shit you are looking at if you are playing Vanguard. This other stuff is just marketing hype about the game they should have made if they wanted good subscription numbers.
For a long time now Sigil has been employing a sales tactic, which quite simply is that since they don't have the product most people want, and because it's too expensive/not enough time/etc. to meaningfully change the product, then just sell it based on saying it is something that it's not. You don't keep customers that way, but you do get $50 from them.
EQ1, EQ2, SWG, SWTOR, GW, GW2 CoH, CoV, FFXI, WoW, CO, War,TSW and a slew of free trials and beta tests
I know i asked this before but we ARE talking about a GAME right?
This is sort of off topic, but that's a naive, simplistic view of the situation. Yes, it's a game. But unlike a single player game, where the devs ship it out the door and cross their fingers, MMOs are different. The companies involved have continuous, invested interest in the goings-on of the game, and if things are not so hot, capitalism steps in. They will stab each other in the backs to make a profit, and they will screw over the current playerbase if they thought it would attract a larger audience.
And for players that are concerned about such things, or are willing to argue indefinitely about any particular issue, it's not a game for them either. It's a hobby experience. Most MMOers are in it for the long-term. These aren't games that you play a couple months then toss aside. The promise on an MMO is possibility of YEARS of gaming goodness and community interactivity. So, it's not so unreasonable that these people tend to take these matters emontionally, or personally. Like the companies, they are looking for a long-term investment.
Seriously. It's Are'el. This forum doesn't allow apostrophes in usernames.
I don't care about Sigil, Brad McQuaid or "the vision". I do care about seeing anything connected to SOE fail and fail miserably and publicly.
I am seriously overjoyed that this game has turned into a big trainwreck and if you look at the desperate measures they are taking to turn it around they are right out of the SOE playbook. Double xp, increasing mob xp, adding transporters for faster travel and nerfing classes in the name of "balance" instead of fixing game-breaking bugs. SOE is completely in charge and I'm sure they are putting the pressure on Brad to stop the negative publicity.
My prediction still stands that within six months Sigil will sell the game to SOE and move on to the next version of the vision. In the meantime I am loving the forum drama and bad press the game is getting.
May i ask why?, we ARE talking about a GAME right?
SOE is a company. I want to see that company fail. What was your point again?
Do you live in a dream world or what lol poor jedi
Anybody who doesn't believe that SOE is in the driver's seat with regards to Vanguard is living in a dream world. Anybody who believes that SOE won't screw over current Vanguard players in a desperate attempt to lure in new players is living in a dream world.
I could careless whos in the drivers seat i like the game for me it offers more than any other mmo out there and if they make changes i like great, if they make changes i dont like all just move somewhere else but it wont be backwards to WOW ,EQ2 or any other mmo thats out there right now or LoTR cause it just sucks big time
Anybody who doesn't believe that SOE is in the driver's seat with regards to Vanguard is living in a dream world. Anybody who believes that SOE won't screw over current Vanguard players in a desperate attempt to lure in new players is living in a dream world.
I know i asked this before but we ARE talking about a GAME right?
I know I answered this before but no, I am talking about a company.
I could careless whos in the drivers seat i like the game for me it offers more than any other mmo out there and if they make changes i like great, if they make changes i dont like all just move somewhere else but it wont be backwards to WOW ,EQ2 or any other mmo thats out there right now or LoTR cause it just sucks big time
Now imagine spending a year or more investing time in this game that you love so much and having it all taken away overnight. That's what you can expect from SOE.
And just to put a stop to the "Jedi lol" losers--I never had a Jedi character in SWG.
I could careless whos in the drivers seat i like the game for me it offers more than any other mmo out there and if they make changes i like great, if they make changes i dont like all just move somewhere else but it wont be backwards to WOW ,EQ2 or any other mmo thats out there right now or LoTR cause it just sucks big time
Now imagine spending a year or more investing time in this game that you love so much and having it all taken away overnight. That's what you can expect from SOE.
And just to put a stop to the "Jedi lol" losers--I never had a Jedi character in SWG.
Been there, done that, SWG anyone? was upset yes but hardly in the way some people seem to have a grudge against SOE, the only thing people should have learned by then is NOT to put so much trust into what developers or company's say, would have made gaming for some people allot more enjoyeble then to spend their negative energy on like i said before a GAME.
In the real world there are company's that do far more damage against people then any single game company will ever even comes close to. Game company don't have any saying on how you spend you life, its our own responsebility.
And another thing you did not answer me cause this still is Vanguard forum spot right ? not a gamedevelopers corner?
I bought and played Vanguard for the first 30 days and really tried hard to find something I liked about it aside from the skies. Well, it didn't end up working for me.
That said, I have nothing against the developers and Brad (whoever the hell he is). If he was the one responsible for the original EQ (which was amazingly fun at the time it released) then swell good going on that one ... uhm... Bradley-ol-buddy. Bet you made some serious cash on that.
As to Vanguard, I don't feel too bad for this guy as the game fails miserably anymore than I would feel bad if some store chain failed that sold stuff I wont buy. Sure there is a human element to every endeavor - but I am quite sure that the fellow behind all this has plenty of money to lead a happy life regardless.
Darwin keeps ruling the day whenever reality meets imagination heory and therin lies the humor - it is predictable to some extent.
Some are saying that VG had 5 years in development with 100 people working on it? Is this true???? I can't believe it would take five years and 100 people to come up with the almost glaringly uninspired, buggy, drab experience Vanguard is... that, in and of itself, is almost criminal... in theory.
SMG77 has been dwelling the fact they bought a game with SOE having something to do with it for years and makes it her job to go to every forum and bash every game they made. For two years. You just have to get used to it, it is to the point that if I do not see a negative post from Smg77 I feel out of place like my dad is incomplete.
SMG77 has been dwelling the fact they bought a game with SOE having something to do with it for years and makes it her job to go to every forum and bash every game they made. For two years. You just have to get used to it, it is to the point that if I do not see a negative post from Smg77 I feel out of place like my dad is incomplete.
I like to think of it as a public service. I'm glad I can make your "dad" complete.
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it's not that they took it that is wrong.
It's the philosophy behind Vanguard itself. Everything is borrowed. The UI is just one example; there is no originality to this game.
Well if I may borrow a chant from my school when we beat a team in football that is ranked much higher than us: Vanguard is umm, well to put it nicely ---> "OVER RATED""I was wrong but instead of apology I'll use this post to take a shot at everyone else on these forums who hasn't pointed out the fact that I was wrong ... in this thread." or a short version "LoL, at least i am not an asshole like teh otherz haha"
WTB Shadowbane 2
I am not calling anybody names, but there are many people who just can not seem to ever admit when they are wrong. Look at GAMELOADING of the wow forum for instance.
I have been taught that when you are wrong, it does you know good in denying it, and if you can never admit when you are wrong, nobody will ever take you seriously.
Bush is a winner ?
Suddam was a winner ?
Osama is / was a winner ?
I find your statement to be pure of ignorance.
I like pie !
'Twas just a joke.
I like pie !
I remember being really excited for this game and I really felt like Brad's "vision" was THE mmo I have been waiting all my life to play. But I also rememeber spending alot of time reading the F.A.Q. and thinking "Sheeeesh! How are they gonna implement that!?". It got to the point where I actually started to question Brad's vision and thought that maybe he was getting a little too ambitious or ahead of himself. I started to worry about the state of the game as the beta was coming to an end.
Either way. I think what it comes down to is that Brad wanted to offer us a product that would make alot of people happy, and for him to see all the people who are upset by his product is really tearing him up right now. That and the 30 million debt.
Which FF Character Are You?
I think you are dead on here.
I really don't get why anyone is complaining the game is too hardcore or too much like EQ1. I thought that was the whole point of Vanguard. I became interested in Vanguard soley because I perceived it as a rejection of the overall trend of MMOs being dumbed downed/made easy (ie WoW, post NGE SWG,etc.). They were clear this was intended for a certain audience and not everyone was going to like it. To me, if anything, Vanguard isn't nearly hardcore enough. Some people are already at max level! I thought that was going to take years, not weeks to do that. There is a death penalty, but not much of one. Sure distances are big, but you get a mount at level 10.
The technical side is really inexcusable though.
I think you are dead on here.
I really don't get why anyone is complaining the game is too hardcore or too much like EQ1. I thought that was the whole point of Vanguard. I became interested in Vanguard soley because I perceived it as a rejection of the overall trend of MMOs being dumbed downed/made easy (ie WoW, post NGE SWG,etc.). They were clear this was intended for a certain audience and not everyone was going to like it. To me, if anything, Vanguard isn't nearly hardcore enough. Some people are already at max level! I thought that was going to take years, not weeks to do that. There is a death penalty, but not much of one. Sure distances are big, but you get a mount at level 10.
The technical side is really inexcusable though.
source: http://www.bradmcquaid.com/
"Our aim, quite simply, is to offer an alternative to an online gaming genre that is dominated by a few very large and quite excellent games right now (Final Fantasy XI and World of Warcraft come to mind). Why? Because life, especially entertainment, is about choices. And, really, so is Vanguard itself. It’s about freedom of choice. It contains content and quests and adventures for all sorts of people -- casual players, 'core' players, and even those who spend a lot of time in these games raiding in large groups -- we're all about making a world that is inclusive, *not* exclusive."
nothing more to add.
SOE is a company. I want to see that company fail. What was your point again?
Do you live in a dream world or what lol poor jedi
SOE is a company. I want to see that company fail. What was your point again?
Do you live in a dream world or what lol poor jedi
SOE is a company. I want to see that company fail. What was your point again?
Do you live in a dream world or what lol poor jedi
Anybody who doesn't believe that SOE is in the driver's seat with regards to Vanguard is living in a dream world. Anybody who believes that SOE won't screw over current Vanguard players in a desperate attempt to lure in new players is living in a dream world.SOE is a company. I want to see that company fail. What was your point again?
Do you live in a dream world or what lol poor jedi
Anybody who doesn't believe that SOE is in the driver's seat with regards to Vanguard is living in a dream world. Anybody who believes that SOE won't screw over current Vanguard players in a desperate attempt to lure in new players is living in a dream world.I know i asked this before but we ARE talking about a GAME right?Please don't confuse "talking points" and salesmanship on Brad's website with "vision." All he is doing is mouthing the words their marketing plan says will bring in more subscriptions: "freedom"; enjoyment by all playstyles, etc. He does the same thing in every ad, in every video, and in every interview.
That's not the vision. The vision is that piece of shit you are looking at if you are playing Vanguard. This other stuff is just marketing hype about the game they should have made if they wanted good subscription numbers.
For a long time now Sigil has been employing a sales tactic, which quite simply is that since they don't have the product most people want, and because it's too expensive/not enough time/etc. to meaningfully change the product, then just sell it based on saying it is something that it's not. You don't keep customers that way, but you do get $50 from them.
EQ1, EQ2, SWG, SWTOR, GW, GW2 CoH, CoV, FFXI, WoW, CO, War,TSW and a slew of free trials and beta tests
This is sort of off topic, but that's a naive, simplistic view of the situation. Yes, it's a game. But unlike a single player game, where the devs ship it out the door and cross their fingers, MMOs are different. The companies involved have continuous, invested interest in the goings-on of the game, and if things are not so hot, capitalism steps in. They will stab each other in the backs to make a profit, and they will screw over the current playerbase if they thought it would attract a larger audience.
And for players that are concerned about such things, or are willing to argue indefinitely about any particular issue, it's not a game for them either. It's a hobby experience. Most MMOers are in it for the long-term. These aren't games that you play a couple months then toss aside. The promise on an MMO is possibility of YEARS of gaming goodness and community interactivity. So, it's not so unreasonable that these people tend to take these matters emontionally, or personally. Like the companies, they are looking for a long-term investment.
Seriously.
It's Are'el. This forum doesn't allow apostrophes in usernames.
SOE is a company. I want to see that company fail. What was your point again?
Do you live in a dream world or what lol poor jedi
Anybody who doesn't believe that SOE is in the driver's seat with regards to Vanguard is living in a dream world. Anybody who believes that SOE won't screw over current Vanguard players in a desperate attempt to lure in new players is living in a dream world.I could careless whos in the drivers seat i like the game for me it offers more than any other mmo out there and if they make changes i like great, if they make changes i dont like all just move somewhere else but it wont be backwards to WOW ,EQ2 or any other mmo thats out there right now or LoTR cause it just sucks big time
I know I answered this before but no, I am talking about a company.
And just to put a stop to the "Jedi lol" losers--I never had a Jedi character in SWG.
And just to put a stop to the "Jedi lol" losers--I never had a Jedi character in SWG.
Been there, done that, SWG anyone? was upset yes but hardly in the way some people seem to have a grudge against SOE, the only thing people should have learned by then is NOT to put so much trust into what developers or company's say, would have made gaming for some people allot more enjoyeble then to spend their negative energy on like i said before a GAME.
In the real world there are company's that do far more damage against people then any single game company will ever even comes close to. Game company don't have any saying on how you spend you life, its our own responsebility.
And another thing you did not answer me cause this still is Vanguard forum spot right ? not a gamedevelopers corner?
interesting discussion...
I bought and played Vanguard for the first 30 days and really tried hard to find something I liked about it aside from the skies. Well, it didn't end up working for me.
That said, I have nothing against the developers and Brad (whoever the hell he is). If he was the one responsible for the original EQ (which was amazingly fun at the time it released) then swell good going on that one ... uhm... Bradley-ol-buddy. Bet you made some serious cash on that.
As to Vanguard, I don't feel too bad for this guy as the game fails miserably anymore than I would feel bad if some store chain failed that sold stuff I wont buy. Sure there is a human element to every endeavor - but I am quite sure that the fellow behind all this has plenty of money to lead a happy life regardless.
Darwin keeps ruling the day whenever reality meets imagination heory and therin lies the humor - it is predictable to some extent.
Some are saying that VG had 5 years in development with 100 people working on it? Is this true???? I can't believe it would take five years and 100 people to come up with the almost glaringly uninspired, buggy, drab experience Vanguard is... that, in and of itself, is almost criminal... in theory.