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  • winterwinter Member UncommonPosts: 2,281
    Originally posted by Hero5937GX

    Originally posted by smg77

    Ah, the sweet stench of viral marketing...



    the only stench i smell is from people who don't even play the game, yet continue to come to this forum, spreading their negativism about a great game that deserves a lot of praise.  now look around and see who brings more stench.

    and no i have affiliation with anybody.  so now not only do i get flamed for being a fanboi, having no intelligence, and etc i now am being flamed for practicing viral marketing. 

    come up with some reasonable and arguable comeback, in a short and precise form, and i might give you some time of day.

    just don't spit super long pages of utter garbage/bs like the op did.

     

    k thx bai

     

    I played the game. The OP gave it a good review and was honest and fair, nothing overly negative IMO. Brad himself admits the game was released in beta shape and still is. I am one of at least a few that won't be resubscribing  come the 28th.

     Hero= viral marketing. Sadly simple

  • Hero5937GXHero5937GX Member Posts: 55
    Originally posted by whitedelight




    The problem is that your reasons for "blowing other mmos away" are the same reasons it is flawed. The graphics do look nice I will give you that. On the other hand, yes the world is huge, but it is lacking content because it is so big. The fact that there are many races and classes make balancing have so many issues. In PVE Tanks do almost the same damage as offensive fighters. In pvp the game will never be balanced because of how powerful healing is even after the supposed nerfs.
    The game does not run well and it is poorly optimised. I was fortunate enough to have it run just fine for me but I know this is not the case for a majority of people.The combat is just pressing buttons. I cast a spell and move a little. I cast a spell and move a little. You spam your best attacks. Crafting does not take actual effort, you just click a couple of extra buttons that slow down the process. It is still easy to create grade A items. Once you hit a certain level the quests start to dry up this is why many players who hit 40 just grind to 50 and they have complained there is not enough content to keep them playing.
    It is great you like the game, and there is nothing wrong with that, but at the same time you have to admit when there are flaws. There was a rollback issue, there was a log in and be dead issue, there was a party loot wouldn't work issue, there are players getting stuck in land all over the time issue. There are many flaws because the game had to get released so early. SOE did not want to let Sigil have anymore money and they told them to just publish the game in its beta state, and that is exactly what they did.
    At the same time you shouldn't just tell people to buy the game, just like others should not be saying do not buy the game. The only answer you should give is how you feel about the game, and tell them to get a free trial.  Brad admit himself that the game was released early because of funding and that is why the game is incomplete and unpolished. The potential is there but it is going to take time to fix a lot of these bugs.

     

    no mmos at release do not ever have class balancing issues.  none whatsoever.  whatever game that u praise for being great, they all have or had class balancing issues.

    the game does have lot of content.  people just aren't looking at the right places.  and combat is quite fun to me.  lots of different options.

    the game performs just fine and i have never encountered any problems running this game.

    k thx bai

  • allegriaallegria Member CommonPosts: 682
    Originally posted by Hero5937GX

    Originally posted by whitedelight




    The problem is that your reasons for "blowing other mmos away" are the same reasons it is flawed. The graphics do look nice I will give you that. On the other hand, yes the world is huge, but it is lacking content because it is so big. The fact that there are many races and classes make balancing have so many issues. In PVE Tanks do almost the same damage as offensive fighters. In pvp the game will never be balanced because of how powerful healing is even after the supposed nerfs.
    The game does not run well and it is poorly optimised. I was fortunate enough to have it run just fine for me but I know this is not the case for a majority of people.The combat is just pressing buttons. I cast a spell and move a little. I cast a spell and move a little. You spam your best attacks. Crafting does not take actual effort, you just click a couple of extra buttons that slow down the process. It is still easy to create grade A items. Once you hit a certain level the quests start to dry up this is why many players who hit 40 just grind to 50 and they have complained there is not enough content to keep them playing.
    It is great you like the game, and there is nothing wrong with that, but at the same time you have to admit when there are flaws. There was a rollback issue, there was a log in and be dead issue, there was a party loot wouldn't work issue, there are players getting stuck in land all over the time issue. There are many flaws because the game had to get released so early. SOE did not want to let Sigil have anymore money and they told them to just publish the game in its beta state, and that is exactly what they did.
    At the same time you shouldn't just tell people to buy the game, just like others should not be saying do not buy the game. The only answer you should give is how you feel about the game, and tell them to get a free trial.  Brad admit himself that the game was released early because of funding and that is why the game is incomplete and unpolished. The potential is there but it is going to take time to fix a lot of these bugs.

     

    no mmos at release do not ever have class balancing issues.  none whatsoever.  whatever game that u praise for being great, they all have or had class balancing issues.

    the game does have lot of content.  people just aren't looking at the right places.  and combat is quite fun to me.  lots of different options.

    the game performs just fine and i have never encountered any problems running this game.

    k thx bai

    What mr Hero doesnt realize is that he is doing more to hurt vanguard than help it. Or maybe that is his goal ?

     

    -Allegria

  • Hero5937GXHero5937GX Member Posts: 55
    Originally posted by Gules_Aspen



    OK, I'll tackle it and show you that *gasp* everything you say, very nearly, is OPINION. Just like the OPs review is. Keep in mind- this is coming from someone with a current subscription, and a player since mid beta.

    1.Graphics look great- Opinion. They're good. But not nearly as good as LOTRO.

    2. The world is huge- I'll give you that. But so is Dark and Light, it may be bigger. That doesn't make it any good.

    3. Many races and classes- which are just like the races and classes in every other game. Healers are the only one with any difference. Kudos there. Most of the races are repetitive and silly. See, opinion enters again.

    4. The game runs pretty well- absolutely false in comparison to every last one of it's competitors. I personally don't have many problems, but 9 out of 10 people have serious issues. Sigil has freely admitted performance isn't good.

    5. Combat is quite fun- opinion. It's exactly like every other MMO on the market. There's not much that can be done differently. I almost go to sleep with my Ranger, just like combat in every other MMO out there.

    6. Boats and housing- they're there, but utterly and completely useless. Who cares.

    7. Crafting takes effort- I'll give you that. I'll also add that it's tedious, and pure suckage of the highest degree. The markets are flooded and you can't sell anything for more than it costs to make. Nothing ever wears out- so there is no repeat market for anything.

    8. Character models look good- Mostly, yes. The wood elves are atrocious. But they are acceptable. Opinion rears it's ugly head...sensing a trend here?

    9.Many quests- Big deal. Every game has hundreds and hundreds of quests.



    Nothing there stands out over any other game. Not one single thing. For everyone shouting that it runs great and has no problems, there are 90 having issues- issues the developer willingly admits to. They have come straight out and said it doesn't run well. They have come out and said it's nowhere near finished and still isn't in a condition fit for release. They have admitted they needed 2 ot 3 more months to get Vanguard ready.



    I play the game, yes. I have played every major MMO since 1999, and I am not exaggerating. Vanguard is no better than the rest. It's really no worse. There are about 3 people on the planet who would say it's a finished, polished, next gen product, and a few hundred thousand who will tell you what I just did, and about a few thousand who swear it's the spawn of Satan himself. Now- do you see why no one takes you seriously? Why you come off as a ranting, screaming lone voice?



    It's because you ARE a lone voice. Even people who play and enjoy the game realize it's about half completed.

     

    i never said my posts were not an opinion.  it is just more truthful with much deserved praise and positive aspects of this great game.

    since u say lotro graphics is better, i guess that makes you just as much of a fanboy as i am then?  only u r a fanboy of lotro.

    dark and light i never played and i don't know squat about that game. i have no opinion.

    repetitive and silly classes? what makes them repetitive and silly? they all seem to do just fine.  and it is about time that healers can do more than just simply healing and buffing.  why is that so bad?

    the game does run well if u have the system to run it.  if u don't have the system, then it is no wonder u have problems.  it is like saying the game doesn't run well on ur 486 with 16 mb of ram.  come on d00d.

    to this day, i have never fallen asleep playing my characters.  if i do i die.  i have to carefully analyze the situation at every combat and play carefully.  otherwise i die and i lose exp.

    boats and housing useless? really? last i checked there are so many people who bought this game just because of that!  isn't it better to have them than to not have it?  besides wait until economy settles down and almost every dedicated players have houses and boats.  and wait until sea combat is introduced.  then tell me they are useless.

    crafting is the most deeply involving session of crafting i have ever seen.  not some afk macroable boring and bottable crafting like in wow or daoc or whatever.

    character models are pretty, you agree, good.

    quests... is it then better to not have as many?  what do you want?

    i don't care if i am the lone voice or not.  i only care about what i care as long as it is the absolute truth.  and i have shame in sharing my views to people so that this game gets its share, at least for people to try this game instead of many people like u simply scaring people away with negative posts about this game.

    k thx bai

  • Hero5937GXHero5937GX Member Posts: 55
    Originally posted by Die_Scream

    Haha!



    The guy has 21 posts, all in this thread if i'm not mistaken.



    No way is this guy for real

    Give over gang, if hes marketing, its for WoW, cause no one is going to want to play a game with people like this, lol.



    h3's ju57 pl4yin9 y00 4ll 4 F00ls ... d00d!



    EDIT: Almost forgot, great review! Probably the best I've read yet on any forum. How did you find the non-instancing? Was it ever a problem? Such as camping, kill stealing, etc?



    actually i have posted in other threads.

    and yes i am for real.  i am here to make my voices heard and that people get a fair view of what this great game is.  and for the last time, i am not viral marketing for anybody.  i don't even like wow, that garbage kiddie game with cartoon graphics.

    k thx bai

  • Billy_thekidBilly_thekid Member Posts: 23
    It was an honest review. The game lacks content because it is not complete. It was never meant to be released like this. Notice we are telling people to get a trial, rather than just outright buy the game?
  • Hero5937GXHero5937GX Member Posts: 55
    Originally posted by allegria


    What mr Hero doesnt realize is that he is doing more to hurt vanguard than help it. Or maybe that is his goal ?
     
    -Allegria




    all i have said is that vg is a great game.  how does that hurt this game?  and no way do i ever want this game to go down.

    buy vg, play it, love it.

     

    k thx bai

  • whitedelightwhitedelight Member Posts: 1,544
    You hurt the game when you make fanboy statements. It is widely understood that the game was released far too early, and that it is poorly optimised. I ran the game perfectly, but there were people who had much better rigs than mine and they could barely play it. You hurt the game when you come around telling people to outright buy it when there are other people being helpful and saying try a trial of it first because you may or may not like it. There is little content for people in end game right now and the quest hubs try up so fast. There is a reason this game recieved such bad reviews man.

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  • Hero5937GXHero5937GX Member Posts: 55
    Originally posted by Billy_thekid

    It was an honest review. The game lacks content because it is not complete. It was never meant to be released like this. Notice we are telling people to get a trial, rather than just outright buy the game?



    telling people to get a trial is like telling people not to play.  how r u gonna get it?  it is not offered directly by soe.  someone u know needs to buy it first otherwise u can never get it.  u think people in this forum will offer a stranger their buddy key?  even if u get it, how r u gonna install the game?

    u have to buy it first d00d.  thats my point. 

    i do think that soe should offer free trials for people tho.

     

    k thx bai

  • whitedelightwhitedelight Member Posts: 1,544
    Originally posted by Hero5937GX

    Originally posted by Billy_thekid

    It was an honest review. The game lacks content because it is not complete. It was never meant to be released like this. Notice we are telling people to get a trial, rather than just outright buy the game?



    telling people to get a trial is like telling people not to play.  how r u gonna get it?  it is not offered directly by soe.  someone u know needs to buy it first otherwise u can never get it.  u think people in this forum will offer a stranger their buddy key?  even if u get it, how r u gonna install the game?

    u have to buy it first d00d.  thats my point. 

    i do think that soe should offer free trials for people tho.

     

    k thx bai

    Since you are new I will try not to laugh too much. Telling people to get trial keys is telling them to try the game. There are many people on these forums who gave away their key to people here or on other forums. How will you install the game? Lol. Go to www.joinvanguard.com/install

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  • GreenHellGreenHell Member UncommonPosts: 1,323
    Well if I was looking to buy VG and saw the "k thx bai" guy I would run the hell away.
  • Hero5937GXHero5937GX Member Posts: 55
    Originally posted by whitedelight

    You hurt the game when you make fanboy statements. It is widely understood that the game was released far too early, and that it is poorly optimised. I ran the game perfectly, but there were people who had much better rigs than mine and they could barely play it. You hurt the game when you come around telling people to outright buy it when there are other people being helpful and saying try a trial of it first because you may or may not like it. There is little content for people in end game right now and the quest hubs try up so fast. There is a reason this game recieved such bad reviews man.



    d00d u cool.  i have nothing against u but like i said, u or someone u know need to buy the game first in order to have any chance at trying this game out on a trial.  even if some nice d00d offers his buddy key, how is the other d00d gonna install?  if u r the nice d00d that gave him the buddy key r u gonna ship the dvds to his house? i doubt it.

    what's wrong with a game that has a lot of fanboys?  that means that game is good.  sucky pos game will not have fanboys.  it is better to have fanboys than not have them.

    as for end game content, that is the problem.  people are rushing to level to 50 without throughly absorbing the content.  those types of people always complain about lack of content.

     

    k thx bai

  • whitedelightwhitedelight Member Posts: 1,544

    Here late me type it again since you missed it.

    www.joinvanguard.com/install

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  • Hero5937GXHero5937GX Member Posts: 55
    Originally posted by whitedelight

    Since you are new I will try not to laugh too much. Telling people to get trial keys is telling them to try the game. There are many people on these forums who gave away their key to people here or on other forums. How will you install the game? Lol. Go to www.joinvanguard.com/install



    ok the main website did not have any links or whatever to point u to that webpage.  alright d00d that's one thing i learned today man.  i can now easily recommend this game to my buds with the download.  this is good news indeed. 

    k thx bai

  • whitedelightwhitedelight Member Posts: 1,544
    Nobody looking to get the game will take you posts seriously when you type things such as d00d, k thnx bai and the like. If anything it hurts your credability and people will just ignore your posts alltogether and read what everyone else wrote.

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  • Hero5937GXHero5937GX Member Posts: 55
    Originally posted by GreenHell

    Well if I was looking to buy VG and saw the "k thx bai" guy I would run the hell away.



    just because i type that in does not make me any less credible.  if the op, whom everyone seem to praise and love his posts, put the same thing at the end of his utter bs review, then i guess u would flame him as well?

     

    k thx bai

  • Hero5937GXHero5937GX Member Posts: 55
    Originally posted by whitedelight

    Nobody looking to get the game will take you posts seriously when you type things such as d00d, k thnx bai and the like. If anything it hurts your credability and people will just ignore your posts alltogether and read what everyone else wrote.



    my credibility is backed by my solid playing experience with this game.  only if u buy or download this game, would someone truly appreciate what i did to inform them of this great game.  if they choose not to read it, then so be it.  they lost out on one heck of a great game.

    k thx bai

  • whitedelightwhitedelight Member Posts: 1,544
    It was not utter bs, it is how a majority of people who played the game feel. Also, yes I would have thought a lot less of his post if he would type such things.

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  • _Shadowmage_Shadowmage Member Posts: 1,459


    Originally posted by Hero5937GX
    sucky pos game will not have fanboys.  it is better to have fanboys than not have them.

    The sucky pos games have the worst fanboys.

    Glad you are enjoying Vanguard. You keep paying your subscription so they can get their beta game into a release state. Then in 2 years time when I am doing my next upgrade I will consider playing Vanguard if its still around.

    Since I doubt it will run well at all on my Core 2 Duo E6600, 2 gigs DDR2, 7900GT as people with better specs than this are having problems.

  • Hero5937GXHero5937GX Member Posts: 55
    Originally posted by whitedelight

    It was not utter bs, it is how a majority of people who played the game feel. Also, yes I would have thought a lot less of his post if he would type such things.



    d00d at least u don't resort to personal flaming so u r cool.

     

    k thx bai

  • Hero5937GXHero5937GX Member Posts: 55
    Originally posted by _Shadowmage


     
     
    The sucky pos games have the worst fanboys.
    Glad you are enjoying Vanguard. You keep paying your subscription so they can get their beta game into a release state. Then in 2 years time when I am doing my next upgrade I will consider playing Vanguard if its still around.
    Since I doubt it will run well at all on my Core 2 Duo E6600, 2 gigs DDR2, 7900GT as people with better specs than this are having problems.



    man u should at least download and try this game out.  it won't hurt.  if u don't like it u don't have to play it.  most of the performance issues stated are very exaggerated or people jumping on the bandwagon to bash this great game even more.

    and by no means this game is sucky pos game.

     

    k thx bai

  • GreenHellGreenHell Member UncommonPosts: 1,323
    Originally posted by Hero5937GX

    Originally posted by GreenHell

    Well if I was looking to buy VG and saw the "k thx bai" guy I would run the hell away.



    just because i type that in does not make me any less credible.  if the op, whom everyone seem to praise and love his posts, put the same thing at the end of his utter bs review, then i guess u would flame him as well?

     

    k thx bai


    Im sorry really I am but it does make you look less credible. The only thing you are doing is helping all the VG haters. Im sure they applaud your actions and the enthusiasm in which you post. I am not flaming you Im just expressing how you look to me and a lot of other people. This post right here has nothing to do with the OP's post. Its just about you. I dont care about his post.
  • AlienovrlordAlienovrlord Member Posts: 1,525
    Originally posted by Hero5937GX

    Originally posted by GreenHell

    Well if I was looking to buy VG and saw the "k thx bai" guy I would run the hell away.



    just because i type that in does not make me any less credible.  if the op, whom everyone seem to praise and love his posts, put the same thing at the end of his utter bs review, then i guess u would flame him as well?

     

    k thx bai



    Actually it does make you less credible.  If you're not willing to put in the enormous effort to type complete words (much less correct sentences) then why should anyone reading the post assume you put any more effort into reasoning out your opinions?

    If you type a post that seems hasty and ill-constructed then that reflects on the opinions in the post. 

    Make an effort to respect your readers and some of your readers will return that respect (But not all I'm afraid, this is the Internet afterall)

     

  • Hero5937GXHero5937GX Member Posts: 55

    okay fine so you want complete sentences. jeez ok then.

    this is my realistic review of vanguard.

    gameplay: 9

    plenty of quests to do. lots of exploring to do and the content is there if you take the time to enjoy it.  lots of races and classes to choose from. there are boats and houses. you can even do diplomacy or questing and not even have to adventure. there are lot of options.  if you try to grind and grind to get to level 50 as quickly as possible you will get bored.  that applies to any mmos.

    graphics: 9

    simply the best graphics i have ever seen in any mmo to date.  given the right system the view is absolutely fantastic.  character models are pretty and animations are smooth.

    sound: 8

    pretty good sound although i turn mine off most of the time because i just do.  but what is there is good.  music is good if you listen to it and the ambient sound effects are there and help you get immersed in this vast world.

    performance: 8

    although many people complain that the game is unplayable, it is not true.  like i said you need a good system to run this game.  if you do, then you won't find any game breaking performance issues.  you will get a slight pause if you are zoning into another zone because the game was made to zone without loading screens.  i personally prefer this.

    community: 10

    everyone i met in game are helpful and friendly.   i have an awesome guild and people i met are always trying to help or looking to group just to have fun.

    overall score: 9

    it is a great game given the good system to run it you will enjoy it alot.  there are many many contents yet to be released and the game still has a lot of things to do.  it will only get better.

    for those that stress out that everyone should download the trial version, i made a slight edit for you all.

    download vg trial, play it, love it, buy it.

    skipping k thx bai now since everyone seem to hate it and think it gives me less credibility.

    enjoy!

  • matraquematraque Member Posts: 1,431
    Originally posted by Hero5937GX

    Originally posted by matraque



    Just to make you life more enjoyable.  I have, according to my x-fire signature, 192hours in VG since release.



    Does that qualify me as a whiner, hater or troll?



    more like someone who never even bothered to check out the numerous features and contents vg offers.  only thinking about your stupid leveling exp bar.  no wonder u get bored and start trashing this game.

    k thx bai

    Dude... you don't even seems to understand me.



    I like the game.  I played and still play.  I have a lvl 24, armorsmith 15  and 50+ diplomacy on Varking. BUT, i can see that there is bugs in the game and that it is not polished as it should be.  It was release early.  But i'm still enjoying myself.

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