personally i dont think hes saying that saying wow is good makes you a bad part of the community i think what hes going at is that there are people who take things to seriously, or not seriously enough. Ok so obviously wow=overatted isnt a fact but wow=underatted or wow=rated perfectly isint a fact either and i dont give a crap how much statistics you throw in. Anyways wow does have a terrible community there are way to many people who dont give a flying fuck about anyone else and there lucky i dont no who they actually are because if i saw them in the street id probably punch um in the gut. I mean all throughout the day people help random others just to be nice, its in person but they dont no each other. Not on this game. Pugs are death. Terrible. And there is so much attunment thorugh the same damn instances that as soon as your done no one in there right mind would go back there so as the game goes on guild members that will help become less and less numerous
A lot of people smoke cigarettes and are addicted to drugs, they all like what they are doing so what’s so bad about it......
MMORPGs in general can be compared to that, but wow takes otherwise would be casual gamers and make them hardcore.
and just because people are hooked on it doesn’t make it good, it might just mean its the only fix they can get atm.
Wow just got in at the right time with an easy game that drew everyone in, they realized hardcore gamers just want to get max lvl and raid/pvp and casual gamers want to lvl up at a good pace based on their play time, so they made lvling simple and casual friendly and then just made their end game like every other pve crap out there. It is not intuitive or great; I saw every feature in wow in a different game before wow came out.
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Well, as Warlock 70 and Hunter 49 as my highest lvls, am I experienced enough?
No. Unless as of this moment you are walking with several pieces of T4 on your lock.
Originally posted by sanicek
Number of customers tells nothing about actual quality of product. It tells a lot about marketing (in all aspects) success of the company. WoW is among MMORPGs what M$ is on software market, Nokia on cellphone, etc. Strong marketing along with product designed to be usable also by total incompetents, aiming for the mindless masses that dont have a clue and dont know any better.
This combined with allenjw's comments here is pure bs. I'm one of the paying customers. I've tried several MMORPGs, both before and after I started playing WoW.
Define "tried several MMORPGs". Did you reach any notable goals in them? Were you just scared off by steep learning curves of some of the more sophisticated ones?
Still I like WoW. You can argue how much you want about YOUR opinons, wheather it's about marketing, game quality, etc. For ppl like ME that doesn't change anything - I'm a satisfied customer and for me WoW IS quality.
I never said I hate WoW or that I have something against it. I'm glad you like it, you are the very audience it is aiming for. And its no disputing it, WoW is a very polished game.
You may hate WoW as much as you like - you have the right to make up your own mind about it. But don't claim players like myself "don't have a clue and don't know any better" - we know exactly what's out there, and we chose a game we're satisfied with.
You don't know exactly what's out there. Never ever in anything. You and many others choose WoW and other stuff you are satisfied with. Often reffered to as mainstream. And as in all other fields, there are individuals that don't fall to that category, they are somewhat more involved, know much about the stuff, like to experiment with it, have specialty expectations and generally expect something more. Name them/us the alternative/niche/pro/whatever guys, categories overlap and differ. They usually look on the popular (and therefore more simple) stuff from a reserved distance (look down on the noobs in more vulgar words). Then there is also the casual/hardocre eternal debate. Anyway, lines are blurry, whatever, many people get to try the popular stuff, etc. So we end up in WoW. Its nice, its polished, full of people and for a time its really good. Then you get to endgame, join pro guild, raid a bit, stuff like that. And do it again and again and again. Any notable milestone of game and fun progress requires horrendous amounts of time spent not having fun, time spent grinding. And all this time you walk on a linear simple predefined path, be it instances, grinding, armor tiers, whatever. And I totally understand the original poster, because I'm the same. I quit WoW about 2 months ago after 1.5 years and ~200 days /played. He is appealing to other hardcore players lost in the game and pushing themselves forward with the vision of brighter tomorrows, so that maybe they will realize that among the other games out there there is one that actually provides the satisfaction they are yearning for and trying to find in WoW.
Not sure if its all clear, the factors being its hard to explain and me just ending my nightshift after having about 4 hours of total combined sleep in last 3 days and kinda starting to lose it.
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Barrens chat and all. So make it 8.5 million and one !
well if your not part of the solution...well you know
anyways more power to him im not saying that wow is a bad game, perfect for the situations that you stated. Its when you get past those situations is when the game really stopped becoming fun for me. So than you could say well y dont you just play a new game with better end-game. Answer: I'm going to. Then you could say why am i even posting all this crap. Answer: I'm bored
Well, as Warlock 70 and Hunter 49 as my highest lvls, am I experienced enough? To me, this is just another whine thread, nothing else. And with 8.5 mill paying customers, nothing suggests that this game is going down anytime soon.
Netspook, Seriously. If the forum moderators didn't want this here.... they'd remove it themselves. Over, and over, and over again... , there's that infamous number of subscribers again. Your constant flaming, and reiterration of how many people are subscribed to the game.... it's as often as the whiners you're telling to stop. You sound like a forum troll. Practice what you preach, let it be.
Does 70 and 49 make you experienced? No. To someone who games a lot, that's a month's time.
yea, its not easy to determine experience in terms of wow, not saying your not experienced, not saying you are. But anybody can have a 70 even if you only play a few hours a day or even a few hours a week.
Justin Timberlake isnt good music, its just aimed at the mindless masses.
The OC isnt good, its also aimed at the mindless masses.
WoW is no different, the masses want instant gradification and WoW gives them that with it being one of the fastest games to level in. WoW did bring some good things to the MMO world tho, theres no doubt about that, totaly changed the quest system for every MMO to come out for a long time, a very clean and easy to use UI, and brought mac users a chance to play a game.
Some of the bad things WoW brought is the entire D2 community and WC3, just a bunch of 10 year olds that are slowly flooding into other games because they got bored of WoW.
As of now WoW is one of the only decent games out there, all the best MMO's are 4+ years old and any game will get old after 4 years, and everything made after DAOC has been total trash.
Numbers dont mean anything, DAOC has indisputable the best RvR out of any MMO made, but it never made it above 250,000 subscribers, http://www.mmogchart.com/, just a fraction of what WoW has
East Carolina University, Computer Science BS, 2011 -------------------- Current game: DAOC
Games played and quit: L2, PlanetSide, RF Online, GuildWars, SWG, COH/COV, Vanguard, LOTRO, WoW, WW2 Online, FFXI, Auto-Assault, EVE Online, ShadowBane, RYL, Rappelz, Last Chaos, Myst Online, POTBS, EQ2, Warhammer Online, AoC, Aion, Champions Online, Star Trek Online, Allods, Darkfall.
while i agree with you for the most part tiki i will say that i am fomr the WC3 community, loved the game, got good at it, eventually got bored. Same thing happened with wow. But im not a warcraft game player or an RTS player anymore. I play mmo's now and im not 11 years old and im not a crappy mmo player. I really dont care if you believe that or not. In any case after experiencing different mmo's besides wow im going to move on. Only think i'm worried about is if i join a hard core raiding guild on another game and they here m first mmo was wow, that gonna make them thing less of me. i dont no, really dont care now that i think about it, just games. Well im gonna get some sleep, suggest you all do too unless you dont live in a timezone where its 2 in the morning.
Well, as Warlock 70 and Hunter 49 as my highest lvls, am I experienced enough?
No. Unless as of this moment you are walking with several pieces of T4 on your lock.
Originally posted by sanicek
Number of customers tells nothing about actual quality of product. It tells a lot about marketing (in all aspects) success of the company. WoW is among MMORPGs what M$ is on software market, Nokia on cellphone, etc. Strong marketing along with product designed to be usable also by total incompetents, aiming for the mindless masses that dont have a clue and dont know any better.
This combined with allenjw's comments here is pure bs. I'm one of the paying customers. I've tried several MMORPGs, both before and after I started playing WoW.
Define "tried several MMORPGs". Did you reach any notable goals in them? Were you just scared off by steep learning curves of some of the more sophisticated ones?
Still I like WoW. You can argue how much you want about YOUR opinons, wheather it's about marketing, game quality, etc. For ppl like ME that doesn't change anything - I'm a satisfied customer and for me WoW IS quality.
I never said I hate WoW or that I have something against it. I'm glad you like it, you are the very audience it is aiming for. And its no disputing it, WoW is a very polished game.
You may hate WoW as much as you like - you have the right to make up your own mind about it. But don't claim players like myself "don't have a clue and don't know any better" - we know exactly what's out there, and we chose a game we're satisfied with.
You don't know exactly what's out there. Never ever in anything. You and many others choose WoW and other stuff you are satisfied with. Often reffered to as mainstream. And as in all other fields, there are individuals that don't fall to that category, they are somewhat more involved, know much about the stuff, like to experiment with it, have specialty expectations and generally expect something more. Name them/us the alternative/niche/pro/whatever guys, categories overlap and differ. They usually look on the popular (and therefore more simple) stuff from a reserved distance (look down on the noobs in more vulgar words). Then there is also the casual/hardocre eternal debate. Anyway, lines are blurry, whatever, many people get to try the popular stuff, etc. So we end up in WoW. Its nice, its polished, full of people and for a time its really good. Then you get to endgame, join pro guild, raid a bit, stuff like that. And do it again and again and again. Any notable milestone of game and fun progress requires horrendous amounts of time spent not having fun, time spent grinding. And all this time you walk on a linear simple predefined path, be it instances, grinding, armor tiers, whatever. And I totally understand the original poster, because I'm the same. I quit WoW about 2 months ago after 1.5 years and ~200 days /played. He is appealing to other hardcore players lost in the game and pushing themselves forward with the vision of brighter tomorrows, so that maybe they will realize that among the other games out there there is one that actually provides the satisfaction they are yearning for and trying to find in WoW.
Not sure if its all clear, the factors being its hard to explain and me just ending my nightshift after having about 4 hours of total combined sleep in last 3 days and kinda starting to lose it.
Sanicek, too much bs and assumptions in your post for me to bother comment half of it.
You DO NOT know me, and have NO way to claim if i'm going "mainstream" in any way. It really seems like you are annoyed at us who still plays WoW, just because we love it. Get over it and move on, as I said earlier - is that so hard?
Btw, as I said this in a comment in some thread in the WoW forum, before this thread was made: The worst WoW players are undoubtly the self-proclaimed vets/experts. If anyeone is ruining the communities, then it's them. Most of them hate TBC because it castrated them, crushed their e-peens, and that is something they'll never forget.
didnt really mean every D2 or WC3 player was 11, just a good majority of them, at least a much higher average than what the MMORPG community was before WoW
East Carolina University, Computer Science BS, 2011 -------------------- Current game: DAOC
Games played and quit: L2, PlanetSide, RF Online, GuildWars, SWG, COH/COV, Vanguard, LOTRO, WoW, WW2 Online, FFXI, Auto-Assault, EVE Online, ShadowBane, RYL, Rappelz, Last Chaos, Myst Online, POTBS, EQ2, Warhammer Online, AoC, Aion, Champions Online, Star Trek Online, Allods, Darkfall.
Well, as Warlock 70 and Hunter 49 as my highest lvls, am I experienced enough? To me, this is just another whine thread, nothing else. And with 8.5 mill paying customers, nothing suggests that this game is going down anytime soon.
Netspook, Seriously. If the forum moderators didn't want this here.... they'd remove it themselves. Over, and over, and over again... , there's that infamous number of subscribers again. Your constant flaming, and reiterration of how many people are subscribed to the game.... it's as often as the whiners you're telling to stop. You sound like a forum troll. Practice what you preach, let it be.
Does 70 and 49 make you experienced? No. To someone who games a lot, that's a month's time.
~~JJD
If there's is ANYTHING that's been flamed in these forums, OVER AND OVER AGAIN, then it's "i hate wow because..." threads. As long as they survive, I'm pretty sure that post of mine you replied to, is safe.
Justin Timberlake isnt good music, its just aimed at the mindless masses.
The OC isnt good, its also aimed at the mindless masses.
WoW is no different, the masses want instant gradification and WoW gives them that with it being one of the fastest games to level in. WoW did bring some good things to the MMO world tho, theres no doubt about that, totaly changed the quest system for every MMO to come out for a long time, a very clean and easy to use UI, and brought mac users a chance to play a game.
Some of the bad things WoW brought is the entire D2 community and WC3, just a bunch of 10 year olds that are slowly flooding into other games because they got bored of WoW.
As of now WoW is one of the only decent games out there, all the best MMO's are 4+ years old and any game will get old after 4 years, and everything made after DAOC has been total trash.
Numbers dont mean anything, DAOC has indisputable the best RvR out of any MMO made, but it never made it above 250,000 subscribers, http://www.mmogchart.com/, just a fraction of what WoW has
YOU don't think Justin Timberlake is good music.
YOU don't think the OC is good.
Just because YOU dont think somethings good doesnt make it right. Many people like and enjoy both. Mindless Masses? Alot of people enjoy those things, does that make them mindless? No. They get success , and for the people who like them thats all that matters.
Justin Timberlake isnt good music, its just aimed at the mindless masses.
The OC isnt good, its also aimed at the mindless masses.
WoW is no different, the masses want instant gradification and WoW gives them that with it being one of the fastest games to level in. WoW did bring some good things to the MMO world tho, theres no doubt about that, totaly changed the quest system for every MMO to come out for a long time, a very clean and easy to use UI, and brought mac users a chance to play a game.
Some of the bad things WoW brought is the entire D2 community and WC3, just a bunch of 10 year olds that are slowly flooding into other games because they got bored of WoW.
As of now WoW is one of the only decent games out there, all the best MMO's are 4+ years old and any game will get old after 4 years, and everything made after DAOC has been total trash.
Numbers dont mean anything, DAOC has indisputable the best RvR out of any MMO made, but it never made it above 250,000 subscribers, http://www.mmogchart.com/, just a fraction of what WoW has
YOU don't think Justin Timberlake is good music.
YOU don't think the OC is good.
Just because YOU dont think somethings good doesnt make it right. Many people like and enjoy both. Mindless Masses? Alot of people enjoy those things, does that make them mindless? No. They get success , and for the people who like them thats all that matters. the reason y i think JT and the OC shouldnt be considered good is because the people who watch them are in majority people who talk like everything is a question and dont have there own opinions.
but ur right, maybe the OC and JT arnt bad its just the people who enjoy them make it look like its aimed to those who dont have a brain, also called the mindless masses
East Carolina University, Computer Science BS, 2011 -------------------- Current game: DAOC
Games played and quit: L2, PlanetSide, RF Online, GuildWars, SWG, COH/COV, Vanguard, LOTRO, WoW, WW2 Online, FFXI, Auto-Assault, EVE Online, ShadowBane, RYL, Rappelz, Last Chaos, Myst Online, POTBS, EQ2, Warhammer Online, AoC, Aion, Champions Online, Star Trek Online, Allods, Darkfall.
I dont really get the point of all these threads of "I hate blah game" Games, along with many other things are forms of entertainment and you'll never please everyone. The people who dont like wow just shouldnt play and go find another game that suits them. Its not everyones cup of tea, get over it.
Sanicek, too much bs and assumptions in your post for me to bother comment half of it. You DO NOT know me, and have NO way to claim if i'm going "mainstream" in any way. It really seems like you are annoyed at us who still plays WoW, just because we love it. Get over it and move on, as I said earlier - is that so hard? Btw, as I said this in a comment in some thread in the WoW forum, before this thread was made: The worst WoW players are undoubtly the self-proclaimed vets/experts. If anyeone is ruining the communities, then it's them. Most of them hate TBC because it castrated them, crushed their e-peens, and that is something they'll never forget.
I'm not annoyed at anybody
Assumptions, the only one I made was that you are the non-raider casually type. And you play WoW, on the field of MMOs, you currently are mainstream, thats kinda undisputable.
And by replying as you did you only nailed my assumption true btw. And also showed how much you lack in understanding even the simple game you play. Stripped of their e-peens, bah, yeah there were people that quit because their epics suddenly became worthless because the game provided a giant reset button progress-wise. Those were the wannabies however. I will tell you the reason I quit WoW, it was because I was hoping for BC to remedy the boredom of all the tedious tasks, make the game more enjoyable, bring new elements to dungeon and boss design taking into account the new rewamped role possibilities, etc, etc. None of this happened though. The day I realised it, I left. BC actually pushed it the other way, adding even more grind for everything. It even deepened many of the game design flaws WoW (and most MMOs tbh) has. And as for the dudes that were castrated and had their e-peen crushed, that are the guys howering above you on a nether drake, with epics from dungeons requiring keys from dungeons that require keys from dungeons you only heard about because you dont have the key to go there because you lack reputation with factions because you didnt run through other dungeons enough times. Thats the kind of game WoW BC is.
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I agree in part with the OP, was similar with my experience really as well. The first couple of months I enjoyed WoW, after that the only real enjoyment I got was from BGs, the rest of the game I saw it for what it really was. Just a grind with not that much of an enjoyment factor. It's good people are enjoying it, but as the OP says I think there are people just sticking with the game naively hoping the game gets better.
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A lot of people smoke cigarettes and are addicted to drugs, they all like what they are doing so what’s so bad about it......
MMORPGs in general can be compared to that, but wow takes otherwise would be casual gamers and make them hardcore.
and just because people are hooked on it doesn’t make it good, it might just mean its the only fix they can get atm.
Wow just got in at the right time with an easy game that drew everyone in, they realized hardcore gamers just want to get max lvl and raid/pvp and casual gamers want to lvl up at a good pace based on their play time, so they made lvling simple and casual friendly and then just made their end game like every other pve crap out there. It is not intuitive or great; I saw every feature in wow in a different game before wow came out.
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This combined with allenjw's comments here is pure bs. I'm one of the paying customers. I've tried several MMORPGs, both before and after I started playing WoW.
Define "tried several MMORPGs". Did you reach any notable goals in them? Were you just scared off by steep learning curves of some of the more sophisticated ones?
Still I like WoW. You can argue how much you want about YOUR opinons, wheather it's about marketing, game quality, etc. For ppl like ME that doesn't change anything - I'm a satisfied customer and for me WoW IS quality.
I never said I hate WoW or that I have something against it. I'm glad you like it, you are the very audience it is aiming for. And its no disputing it, WoW is a very polished game.
You may hate WoW as much as you like - you have the right to make up your own mind about it. But don't claim players like myself "don't have a clue and don't know any better" - we know exactly what's out there, and we chose a game we're satisfied with.
You don't know exactly what's out there. Never ever in anything. You and many others choose WoW and other stuff you are satisfied with. Often reffered to as mainstream. And as in all other fields, there are individuals that don't fall to that category, they are somewhat more involved, know much about the stuff, like to experiment with it, have specialty expectations and generally expect something more. Name them/us the alternative/niche/pro/whatever guys, categories overlap and differ. They usually look on the popular (and therefore more simple) stuff from a reserved distance (look down on the noobs in more vulgar words). Then there is also the casual/hardocre eternal debate. Anyway, lines are blurry, whatever, many people get to try the popular stuff, etc. So we end up in WoW. Its nice, its polished, full of people and for a time its really good. Then you get to endgame, join pro guild, raid a bit, stuff like that. And do it again and again and again. Any notable milestone of game and fun progress requires horrendous amounts of time spent not having fun, time spent grinding. And all this time you walk on a linear simple predefined path, be it instances, grinding, armor tiers, whatever. And I totally understand the original poster, because I'm the same. I quit WoW about 2 months ago after 1.5 years and ~200 days /played. He is appealing to other hardcore players lost in the game and pushing themselves forward with the vision of brighter tomorrows, so that maybe they will realize that among the other games out there there is one that actually provides the satisfaction they are yearning for and trying to find in WoW.
Not sure if its all clear, the factors being its hard to explain and me just ending my nightshift after having about 4 hours of total combined sleep in last 3 days and kinda starting to lose it.
Subscribtions: EVE, SWTOR WOW, WAR, DDO, VG, AOC, COV, FFXI, GW, RFO, Aion
+plenty of F2P, betas, trials
Female Dwarf player: WOW, VG, WAR, DDO
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Due to the recent economic crisis and spending cuts the light at the end of the tunnel was turned off. Sincerely, God.
Netspook, Seriously. If the forum moderators didn't want this here.... they'd remove it themselves. Over, and over, and over again... , there's that infamous number of subscribers again. Your constant flaming, and reiterration of how many people are subscribed to the game.... it's as often as the whiners you're telling to stop. You sound like a forum troll. Practice what you preach, let it be.
Does 70 and 49 make you experienced? No. To someone who games a lot, that's a month's time.
~~JJD
The OC isnt good, its also aimed at the mindless masses.
WoW is no different, the masses want instant gradification and WoW gives them that with it being one of the fastest games to level in. WoW did bring some good things to the MMO world tho, theres no doubt about that, totaly changed the quest system for every MMO to come out for a long time, a very clean and easy to use UI, and brought mac users a chance to play a game.
Some of the bad things WoW brought is the entire D2 community and WC3, just a bunch of 10 year olds that are slowly flooding into other games because they got bored of WoW.
As of now WoW is one of the only decent games out there, all the best MMO's are 4+ years old and any game will get old after 4 years, and everything made after DAOC has been total trash.
Numbers dont mean anything, DAOC has indisputable the best RvR out of any MMO made, but it never made it above 250,000 subscribers, http://www.mmogchart.com/, just a fraction of what WoW has
East Carolina University, Computer Science BS, 2011
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Current game: DAOC
Games played and quit: L2, PlanetSide, RF Online, GuildWars, SWG, COH/COV, Vanguard, LOTRO, WoW, WW2 Online, FFXI, Auto-Assault, EVE Online, ShadowBane, RYL, Rappelz, Last Chaos, Myst Online, POTBS, EQ2, Warhammer Online, AoC, Aion, Champions Online, Star Trek Online, Allods, Darkfall.
Waiting on: Earthrise
Names: Citio, Goldie, Sportacus
This combined with allenjw's comments here is pure bs. I'm one of the paying customers. I've tried several MMORPGs, both before and after I started playing WoW.
Define "tried several MMORPGs". Did you reach any notable goals in them? Were you just scared off by steep learning curves of some of the more sophisticated ones?
Still I like WoW. You can argue how much you want about YOUR opinons, wheather it's about marketing, game quality, etc. For ppl like ME that doesn't change anything - I'm a satisfied customer and for me WoW IS quality.
I never said I hate WoW or that I have something against it. I'm glad you like it, you are the very audience it is aiming for. And its no disputing it, WoW is a very polished game.
You may hate WoW as much as you like - you have the right to make up your own mind about it. But don't claim players like myself "don't have a clue and don't know any better" - we know exactly what's out there, and we chose a game we're satisfied with.
You don't know exactly what's out there. Never ever in anything. You and many others choose WoW and other stuff you are satisfied with. Often reffered to as mainstream. And as in all other fields, there are individuals that don't fall to that category, they are somewhat more involved, know much about the stuff, like to experiment with it, have specialty expectations and generally expect something more. Name them/us the alternative/niche/pro/whatever guys, categories overlap and differ. They usually look on the popular (and therefore more simple) stuff from a reserved distance (look down on the noobs in more vulgar words). Then there is also the casual/hardocre eternal debate. Anyway, lines are blurry, whatever, many people get to try the popular stuff, etc. So we end up in WoW. Its nice, its polished, full of people and for a time its really good. Then you get to endgame, join pro guild, raid a bit, stuff like that. And do it again and again and again. Any notable milestone of game and fun progress requires horrendous amounts of time spent not having fun, time spent grinding. And all this time you walk on a linear simple predefined path, be it instances, grinding, armor tiers, whatever. And I totally understand the original poster, because I'm the same. I quit WoW about 2 months ago after 1.5 years and ~200 days /played. He is appealing to other hardcore players lost in the game and pushing themselves forward with the vision of brighter tomorrows, so that maybe they will realize that among the other games out there there is one that actually provides the satisfaction they are yearning for and trying to find in WoW.
Not sure if its all clear, the factors being its hard to explain and me just ending my nightshift after having about 4 hours of total combined sleep in last 3 days and kinda starting to lose it.
Sanicek, too much bs and assumptions in your post for me to bother comment half of it.
You DO NOT know me, and have NO way to claim if i'm going "mainstream" in any way. It really seems like you are annoyed at us who still plays WoW, just because we love it. Get over it and move on, as I said earlier - is that so hard?
Btw, as I said this in a comment in some thread in the WoW forum, before this thread was made: The worst WoW players are undoubtly the self-proclaimed vets/experts. If anyeone is ruining the communities, then it's them. Most of them hate TBC because it castrated them, crushed their e-peens, and that is something they'll never forget.
East Carolina University, Computer Science BS, 2011
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Current game: DAOC
Games played and quit: L2, PlanetSide, RF Online, GuildWars, SWG, COH/COV, Vanguard, LOTRO, WoW, WW2 Online, FFXI, Auto-Assault, EVE Online, ShadowBane, RYL, Rappelz, Last Chaos, Myst Online, POTBS, EQ2, Warhammer Online, AoC, Aion, Champions Online, Star Trek Online, Allods, Darkfall.
Waiting on: Earthrise
Names: Citio, Goldie, Sportacus
Netspook, Seriously. If the forum moderators didn't want this here.... they'd remove it themselves. Over, and over, and over again... , there's that infamous number of subscribers again. Your constant flaming, and reiterration of how many people are subscribed to the game.... it's as often as the whiners you're telling to stop. You sound like a forum troll. Practice what you preach, let it be.
Does 70 and 49 make you experienced? No. To someone who games a lot, that's a month's time.
~~JJD
If there's is ANYTHING that's been flamed in these forums, OVER AND OVER AGAIN, then it's "i hate wow because..." threads. As long as they survive, I'm pretty sure that post of mine you replied to, is safe.
YOU don't think the OC is good.
Just because YOU dont think somethings good doesnt make it right. Many people like and enjoy both. Mindless Masses? Alot of people enjoy those things, does that make them mindless? No. They get success , and for the people who like them thats all that matters.
YOU don't think the OC is good.
Just because YOU dont think somethings good doesnt make it right. Many people like and enjoy both. Mindless Masses? Alot of people enjoy those things, does that make them mindless? No. They get success , and for the people who like them thats all that matters. the reason y i think JT and the OC shouldnt be considered good is because the people who watch them are in majority people who talk like everything is a question and dont have there own opinions.
but ur right, maybe the OC and JT arnt bad its just the people who enjoy them make it look like its aimed to those who dont have a brain, also called the mindless masses
East Carolina University, Computer Science BS, 2011
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Current game: DAOC
Games played and quit: L2, PlanetSide, RF Online, GuildWars, SWG, COH/COV, Vanguard, LOTRO, WoW, WW2 Online, FFXI, Auto-Assault, EVE Online, ShadowBane, RYL, Rappelz, Last Chaos, Myst Online, POTBS, EQ2, Warhammer Online, AoC, Aion, Champions Online, Star Trek Online, Allods, Darkfall.
Waiting on: Earthrise
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I'm not annoyed at anybody
Assumptions, the only one I made was that you are the non-raider casually type. And you play WoW, on the field of MMOs, you currently are mainstream, thats kinda undisputable.
And by replying as you did you only nailed my assumption true btw. And also showed how much you lack in understanding even the simple game you play. Stripped of their e-peens, bah, yeah there were people that quit because their epics suddenly became worthless because the game provided a giant reset button progress-wise. Those were the wannabies however. I will tell you the reason I quit WoW, it was because I was hoping for BC to remedy the boredom of all the tedious tasks, make the game more enjoyable, bring new elements to dungeon and boss design taking into account the new rewamped role possibilities, etc, etc. None of this happened though. The day I realised it, I left. BC actually pushed it the other way, adding even more grind for everything. It even deepened many of the game design flaws WoW (and most MMOs tbh) has. And as for the dudes that were castrated and had their e-peen crushed, that are the guys howering above you on a nether drake, with epics from dungeons requiring keys from dungeons that require keys from dungeons you only heard about because you dont have the key to go there because you lack reputation with factions because you didnt run through other dungeons enough times. Thats the kind of game WoW BC is.
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Due to the recent economic crisis and spending cuts the light at the end of the tunnel was turned off. Sincerely, God.
http://www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/thread/123226
Simply, really.
Polish wins your face with a hammer.
I agree in part with the OP, was similar with my experience really as well. The first couple of months I enjoyed WoW, after that the only real enjoyment I got was from BGs, the rest of the game I saw it for what it really was. Just a grind with not that much of an enjoyment factor. It's good people are enjoying it, but as the OP says I think there are people just sticking with the game naively hoping the game gets better.