Yeah there are a few places that you can see pretty freaking far if you have your settings up.. (and for those of us who would have view distance turned down normally, it is certainly worth turning on real quick if you find an obvious prime spot.. the game pretty flawlessly flips back and forth between graphics settings... I should know I have been tweaking like a madman to find a good sweet spot for 3 days now =P).
I am not worried about the world being too small.. But then again I am not near as much of a power gamer as I'd like to be.. Sadly I think some hardcore people will be able to tear through the content really fast and then start whining.
I think the pace I will be taking will end up being very nice and an expansion should be ready when I have nothing else to do
Since WoW came out, almost all, if not all games, are taking large chunks from WoW. Why? Cause it worked for Blizzard to the point where they destroyed every expectation EVER made by ANY MMO company. Nobody ever dreamed of 7+ million subs. Nobody!
So when it comes to taking ideas from competitors, they take from the succesful. duh!! You don't see anyone trying to ripe off SWG now do ya??
So before you say, it's not like WoW which is the spoon fed idea Turbine or any other company usually throws at people (and fanboi's take it to heart and go out there trying to convice the world), think about what your saying. Any and Every company when it comes to taking ideas, will take from what worked in the past, and WoW like it or not, worked like a charm.
So keep telling yourselves this game is unique, just like the folks on the WAR forums are saying WAR is unique. But your only fooling yourlself.
Vanguard was unique... look what happend. The game is unplayable. (oh I forgot the saying, The REAL fans will stay through the bugs till the game gets better).... yea right.
Unique will be Gods and Hereos, unique will be Darkfall if it ever comes out.
As for LOTR, if it looks like wow, plays like wow and reminds you of wow.... what is it?
and as for pre-ordering.... thats a scam. So far Ive lost money on 2 games. (Vanguard and Dark and Light)
But Im assuming those that are the smartest will dish out 199$ on top of the pre-order. There's plenty of fish in the sea, hence why companies with nothing but garbage as products are making a killing.
The only people that are worth listening to is those who are honestly admiting they are trying the game cause they are either fans of the Lore or cause they are looking to try something else. Anyone woh says this is unique or this is a WoW killer, or this is a step forward for the MMO industry is in lala land.
Most of you are in denial. Since WoW came out, almost all, if not all games, are taking large chunks from WoW. Why? Cause it worked for Blizzard to the point where they destroyed every expectation EVER made by ANY MMO company. Nobody ever dreamed of 7+ million subs. Nobody! So when it comes to taking ideas from competitors, they take from the succesful. duh!! You don't see anyone trying to ripe off SWG now do ya?? So before you say, it's not like WoW which is the spoon fed idea Turbine or any other company usually throws at people (and fanboi's take it to heart and go out there trying to convice the world), think about what your saying. Any and Every company when it comes to taking ideas, will take from what worked in the past, and WoW like it or not, worked like a charm. So keep telling yourselves this game is unique, just like the folks on the WAR forums are saying WAR is unique. But your only fooling yourlself. Vanguard was unique... look what happend. The game is unplayable. (oh I forgot the saying, The REAL fans will stay through the bugs till the game gets better).... yea right. Unique will be Gods and Hereos, unique will be Darkfall if it ever comes out. As for LOTR, if it looks like wow, plays like wow and reminds you of wow.... what is it? and as for pre-ordering.... thats a scam. So far Ive lost money on 2 games. (Vanguard and Dark and Light) But Im assuming those that are the smartest will dish out 199$ on top of the pre-order. There's plenty of fish in the sea, hence why companies with nothing but garbage as products are making a killing. The only people that are worth listening to is those who are honestly admiting they are trying the game cause they are either fans of the Lore or cause they are looking to try something else. Anyone woh says this is unique or this is a WoW killer, or this is a step forward for the MMO industry is in lala land.
I agree with your assesment of LotRO
However, i must poitn out you have lost money on two-preorders becuase of your inability to judge games pre-release, yet you are here telling me and everyone else why you know better then them.
If you did know better , you would have not lost money on two pre-orders.
I think LotRO will be an ok game like WoW is an ok game but different... not so much.
I have to give vangaurd soem props for the differnce in it and other games, but Darkfall doesn't look that good, oh yes it has been hyped-up.
But take some time to Judge WAR , its not hype go to there site under archives look at the video blogs etc. the Animatiosn in the game and the classes are without match (and this includeds Vandgaurd) the only other game that matches the class buildign and variaty is mythics previous games and manybe CoX (not really but cox is pretty good).
The entire playign style and objective of WAR is 100% differnt then WoW , more so that Vanguard. As for the graghics i kinda agree Mythic took the cartoon option in light of WoW, and that is somewhat disappointing , but they are also high textured , unlike wow and like DAOC.
"Society in every state is a blessing, but government even in its best state is but a necessary evil; in its worst state an intolerable one ..." - Thomas Paine
However, i must poitn out you have lost money on two-preorders becuase of your inability to judge games pre-release, yet you are here telling me and everyone else why you know better then them.
If you did know better , you would have not lost money on two pre-orders.
I think LotRO will be an ok game like WoW is an ok game but different... not so much.
I have to give vangaurd soem props for the differnce in it and other games, but Darkfall doesn't look that good, oh yes it has been hyped-up.
But take some time to Judge WAR , its not hype go to there site under archives look at the video blogs etc. the Animatiosn in the game and the classes are without match (and this includeds Vandgaurd) the only other game that matches the class buildign and variaty is mythics previous games and manybe CoX (not really but cox is pretty good).
The entire playign style and objective of WAR is 100% differnt then WoW , more so that Vanguard. As for the graghics i kinda agree Mythic took the cartoon option in light of WoW, and that is somewhat disappointing , but they are also high textured , unlike wow and like DAOC.
You speak of my inability to judge games pre-release. And I'm assuming you think you have this ability or for that matter anyone else has this ability? What does it constitute this ability of yours you speak of?
That's the biggest load of crap I have ever heard (try and take no offense). There is no ability to "judge" games pre-release and thats why people get fooled. We all see the videos, we all read the interviews, we all read all the FAQ's, we all try the beta and listen to their explanations of why things dont work NOW, but will work for release.
Bottom line, people lie, companies lie and that's it.
my worst call on a pre order ever was Roma Victor. Wanted a new setting and it came back to bite hard. Game was absolutely horrible and reminded me why I should always demo or beta a game before playing.
On topic, I gave up my WoW addiction after realizing the high will forever be the same old raiding, faction grinding, and farming weeds. I wanted something to absorb me into the world without requiring every last minute of my free time.
I have enjoyed Vanguard and I am enjoying LOTR again (played in closed BETA). Unless they make some serious advances in Vanguard with respect to stability and reduce complications in crafting, I think LOTR will be my main MMO until Star Trek online comes out. I love the LOTR world, but I long for Sci Fi and past days in SWG.
Surprised there are WoW trolls going through these forums though.
WoW trolls are everywhere. You could be deep in the Congo Basin, thousands of miles from the nearest source of electricity and yet somewhere, close by but safely out of striking range, there'll be a WoW player LMAOing at your n00biness.
Good choice. LotR Online is by far one of the best looking online games I have seen or played. It also brings many nice elements to an mmo. For instance, quest that require you to avoid certain people or animals. There are quest that are puzzles. There are quest that involve doing mundane tasks. There are quest where you need to gather eggs. There are quest where you deliver items, put out fires, spy, etc. The variety is very good and helps alleviate the typical kill and gather quest from other mmos. The environment is top notch. Everything from sound to graphics to how the scenery is rendered and crafted. I have not felt so scared, so excited, or so immersed in a virtual world for a very long time. It was good to have those feelings again in a game. Anyways, my praises.
He is leaving WoW for LoTRO, so I think the poll is basically which of those two games would you choose. No need for "other", just don't vote if neither are your style. ok, well where is the "Both" option. Some of us have money and can afford to pay for two fees
Originally posted by Gibbonici Originally posted by namelessbob Surprised there are WoW trolls going through these forums though.
WoW trolls are everywhere. You could be deep in the Congo Basin, thousands of miles from the nearest source of electricity and yet somewhere, close by but safely out of striking range, there'll be a WoW player LMAOing at your n00biness.
Haha, that's so true. I think Blizzard invented some sort of cloning machine and use it to reproduce WoW subscribers.
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to tell you the truth this game isnt that good. i guess if your a hardcore fan you would like it but it isnt all that great. i think wow is better than this. but yes wow can get pretty boring. in a sense all games can get pretty boring at times.
I voted WoW cause I haven't play LOTRO (though I would like to) and WoW is fairly well constructed MMORPG and still fun after all these years since its release.
Neither. I tried LOTRO in beta and it was very similar to WoW imo (and I'm not saying thats a bad thing). I didnt level that high when I did try it though. From what I did play it just felt like I was playing a weird version of WoW. I'm straight up sick of WoW and would like to see something different. I will say this about LOTRO tho... I've tried many MMOs and out of the most recent ones popping up, it seems to be the best.
ok, well where is the "Both" option. Some of us have money and can afford to pay for two fees
I do have money but seriously what is the point in paying for two mmos when i always be on LOTRO and ill never be on WoW ??
to play both at the same time is the point. i have subscription for EvE, EQ2, WoW, LoTRO, and MxO.
i think i actually deserve a cookie Holy crap. I'm guessing you have a pretty good job to be able to afford what looks like close to 100 bucks a month for video games.
Kudos to you for having time and money, of which I have neither.
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I'm at least going to test LOTRO, a bit after release after few of my friends have tried it. We'll see if I totally leave WoW. Tested beta with Champion and it seemed pretty nice. Not much skills, but what can you except when the lvl cap is at 15.
True, WoW is getting pretty boring at the moment after almost 2.5 years. But every day I still find something to do. Currently trying to get a decent PvP gear, oh the honor grinding :P Anyway, it's still great fun with a few friends. Also PvE seems more interesting and reasonable in new patch (2.1).
Originally posted by glim3mer Originally posted by Jetrpg I agree with your assesment of LotRO However, i must poitn out you have lost money on two-preorders becuase of your inability to judge games pre-release, yet you are here telling me and everyone else why you know better then them. If you did know better , you would have not lost money on two pre-orders. I think LotRO will be an ok game like WoW is an ok game but different... not so much. I have to give vangaurd soem props for the differnce in it and other games, but Darkfall doesn't look that good, oh yes it has been hyped-up. But take some time to Judge WAR , its not hype go to there site under archives look at the video blogs etc. the Animatiosn in the game and the classes are without match (and this includeds Vandgaurd) the only other game that matches the class buildign and variaty is mythics previous games and manybe CoX (not really but cox is pretty good). The entire playign style and objective of WAR is 100% differnt then WoW , more so that Vanguard. As for the graghics i kinda agree Mythic took the cartoon option in light of WoW, and that is somewhat disappointing , but they are also high textured , unlike wow and like DAOC.
You speak of my inability to judge games pre-release. And I'm assuming you think you have this ability or for that matter anyone else has this ability? What does it constitute this ability of yours you speak of? That's the biggest load of crap I have ever heard (try and take no offense). There is no ability to "judge" games pre-release and thats why people get fooled. We all see the videos, we all read the interviews, we all read all the FAQ's, we all try the beta and listen to their explanations of why things dont work NOW, but will work for release. Bottom line, people lie, companies lie and that's it.
All it took for me to avoid the hell out of DnL was the fact that it was put out by a no name, small time european company who was making a ton of claims and not providing any real evidence of their progress.
All it took for me to avoid the hell out of Vangaurd was having beta tested it in closed and open beta. Dealing with obvious and huge bug issues, horrible performance issues, and dev worshiping Vanboi's.
You don't have to be superman or a rocket scientist to avoid bad games. You just have to demand certain standards to be meet for the level of quality you want in a game you are going to purchase and sub for. All it takes is common sense. So far LOTRO has many many of my standards for me to sub for it. Hopefully WAR will to when it's released. /crosses fingers
Games I've played/tried out:WAR, LOTRO, Tabula Rasa, AoC, EQ1, EQ2, WoW, Vangaurd, FFXI, D&DO, Lineage 2, Saga Of Ryzom, EvE Online, DAoC, Guild Wars,Star Wars Galaxies, Hell Gate London, Auto Assault, Grando Espada ( AKA SoTNW ), Archlord, CoV/H, Star Trek Online, APB, Champions Online, FFXIV, Rift Online, GW2.
I do expect alot of these threads to pop up over the next couple of months from very specific groups that play WoW. #1. is the older gamer that is 30+ years of age. I expect a mature player base drain from WoW to LoTRO which should really reinforce that more "kiddies" play WoW and that LoTRO has the more mature player base. #2. The other niche group would be the PVE only gamer or that rarely PvP. The PvE game in LoTRO simply put is better then WoW's. WoW has a bigger world with more things to do overall but LoTRO does offer a very story driven role playing game that should appeal to fans of PVE. #3. One other would the bored of WoW crowd or the crowd that enjoys playing the "it" game of the moment. LoTRO is brand new and offers a new polished and accessible game for anyone that is familiar with WoW. The grass is always seems greener on the other side. #4. and lastly would be from on of the comments above. "So your leaving WoW for another WoW". Yeah but LoTRO is clearly a much better IP. Other things being equal, I am pretty sure most people would much rather play a MMO in Middle Earth then Azeroth, just my opinion. I don't think Warcraft is any danger of getting overtaken by LoTRO, not even close but I do think the quality of player base that WoW has is about to go down significantly. For every so called "kiddie" player that WoW currently has probably can be matched up with a mature experienced player that represents the community in a possitive way. I think that ratio is about to tilt heavily towards the Chuck Norris crowd now for WoW. I think WoW will continue to dominate the 25 and under gamer demographic, but the 25+ and older gamer I think Turbine is going to take a very healthy chunk away from Blizzard.
Complete hogwash.
#1. If you can say the OP is from the 30+ crowd, you sir, have a very limited grasp on the understanding of human beings.
#3. I find it amusing that no one seems to think that the people who are bored of WoW might just not play LOTRO at all. Its as if these bored players have no other choice. Silly. Sure, I imagine there are people who simply play every new game they see on the shelf, but what sort of numbers are we talking here?
#4. That may be your opinion, but it doesn't mean it is an educated one. IMHO, having to license another IP limits your game's potential, and sacrifices gameplay for the sake of lore. If you own your IP, you can change it at will for the sake of the game.
It really never ceases to amaze me how horribly wrong the perception of the WoW player base is. It has been stated in numerous studies that the average age of a WoW player is 28. It also really never ceases to amaze me that people think age is some kind of significant factor of a player's in-game attitude and play-style.
Lets see now... there were about 310 posts in that thread. For sake of argument lets claim that all 310 of those were unique.
310 people quitting WoW for LOTRO. Out of the 8.5 million subcribers, that amounts to .0000003% of its playerbase. Hardly signficant by anyone's standards.
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I am not worried about the world being too small.. But then again I am not near as much of a power gamer as I'd like to be.. Sadly I think some hardcore people will be able to tear through the content really fast and then start whining.
I think the pace I will be taking will end up being very nice and an expansion should be ready when I have nothing else to do
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Most of you are in denial.
Since WoW came out, almost all, if not all games, are taking large chunks from WoW. Why? Cause it worked for Blizzard to the point where they destroyed every expectation EVER made by ANY MMO company. Nobody ever dreamed of 7+ million subs. Nobody!
So when it comes to taking ideas from competitors, they take from the succesful. duh!! You don't see anyone trying to ripe off SWG now do ya??
So before you say, it's not like WoW which is the spoon fed idea Turbine or any other company usually throws at people (and fanboi's take it to heart and go out there trying to convice the world), think about what your saying. Any and Every company when it comes to taking ideas, will take from what worked in the past, and WoW like it or not, worked like a charm.
So keep telling yourselves this game is unique, just like the folks on the WAR forums are saying WAR is unique. But your only fooling yourlself.
Vanguard was unique... look what happend. The game is unplayable. (oh I forgot the saying, The REAL fans will stay through the bugs till the game gets better).... yea right.
Unique will be Gods and Hereos, unique will be Darkfall if it ever comes out.
As for LOTR, if it looks like wow, plays like wow and reminds you of wow.... what is it?
and as for pre-ordering.... thats a scam. So far Ive lost money on 2 games. (Vanguard and Dark and Light)
But Im assuming those that are the smartest will dish out 199$ on top of the pre-order. There's plenty of fish in the sea, hence why companies with nothing but garbage as products are making a killing.
The only people that are worth listening to is those who are honestly admiting they are trying the game cause they are either fans of the Lore or cause they are looking to try something else. Anyone woh says this is unique or this is a WoW killer, or this is a step forward for the MMO industry is in lala land.
However, i must poitn out you have lost money on two-preorders becuase of your inability to judge games pre-release, yet you are here telling me and everyone else why you know better then them.
If you did know better , you would have not lost money on two pre-orders.
I think LotRO will be an ok game like WoW is an ok game but different... not so much.
I have to give vangaurd soem props for the differnce in it and other games, but Darkfall doesn't look that good, oh yes it has been hyped-up.
But take some time to Judge WAR , its not hype go to there site under archives look at the video blogs etc. the Animatiosn in the game and the classes are without match (and this includeds Vandgaurd) the only other game that matches the class buildign and variaty is mythics previous games and manybe CoX (not really but cox is pretty good).
The entire playign style and objective of WAR is 100% differnt then WoW , more so that Vanguard. As for the graghics i kinda agree Mythic took the cartoon option in light of WoW, and that is somewhat disappointing , but they are also high textured , unlike wow and like DAOC.
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You speak of my inability to judge games pre-release. And I'm assuming you think you have this ability or for that matter anyone else has this ability? What does it constitute this ability of yours you speak of?
That's the biggest load of crap I have ever heard (try and take no offense). There is no ability to "judge" games pre-release and thats why people get fooled. We all see the videos, we all read the interviews, we all read all the FAQ's, we all try the beta and listen to their explanations of why things dont work NOW, but will work for release.
Bottom line, people lie, companies lie and that's it.
my worst call on a pre order ever was Roma Victor. Wanted a new setting and it came back to bite hard. Game was absolutely horrible and reminded me why I should always demo or beta a game before playing.
On topic, I gave up my WoW addiction after realizing the high will forever be the same old raiding, faction grinding, and farming weeds. I wanted something to absorb me into the world without requiring every last minute of my free time.
I have enjoyed Vanguard and I am enjoying LOTR again (played in closed BETA). Unless they make some serious advances in Vanguard with respect to stability and reduce complications in crafting, I think LOTR will be my main MMO until Star Trek online comes out. I love the LOTR world, but I long for Sci Fi and past days in SWG.
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playing the beta atm, much better then wow in some asspects worst in others, Lord of the rings is just ace, blizzard is just poop.
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WoW trolls are everywhere. You could be deep in the Congo Basin, thousands of miles from the nearest source of electricity and yet somewhere, close by but safely out of striking range, there'll be a WoW player LMAOing at your n00biness.
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WoW trolls are everywhere. You could be deep in the Congo Basin, thousands of miles from the nearest source of electricity and yet somewhere, close by but safely out of striking range, there'll be a WoW player LMAOing at your n00biness.
Haha, that's so true. I think Blizzard invented some sort of cloning machine and use it to reproduce WoW subscribers.
I cannot explain the sadness
That's fallen on my breast.
An old, old fable haunts me,
And will not let me rest.
i think i actually deserve a cookie
i think i actually deserve a cookie Holy crap. I'm guessing you have a pretty good job to be able to afford what looks like close to 100 bucks a month for video games.
Kudos to you for having time and money, of which I have neither.
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I'm at least going to test LOTRO, a bit after release after few of my friends have tried it. We'll see if I totally leave WoW. Tested beta with Champion and it seemed pretty nice. Not much skills, but what can you except when the lvl cap is at 15.
True, WoW is getting pretty boring at the moment after almost 2.5 years. But every day I still find something to do. Currently trying to get a decent PvP gear, oh the honor grinding :P Anyway, it's still great fun with a few friends. Also PvE seems more interesting and reasonable in new patch (2.1).
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You speak of my inability to judge games pre-release. And I'm assuming you think you have this ability or for that matter anyone else has this ability? What does it constitute this ability of yours you speak of?
That's the biggest load of crap I have ever heard (try and take no offense). There is no ability to "judge" games pre-release and thats why people get fooled. We all see the videos, we all read the interviews, we all read all the FAQ's, we all try the beta and listen to their explanations of why things dont work NOW, but will work for release.
Bottom line, people lie, companies lie and that's it.
All it took for me to avoid the hell out of DnL was the fact that it was put out by a no name, small time european company who was making a ton of claims and not providing any real evidence of their progress.
All it took for me to avoid the hell out of Vangaurd was having beta tested it in closed and open beta. Dealing with obvious and huge bug issues, horrible performance issues, and dev worshiping Vanboi's.
You don't have to be superman or a rocket scientist to avoid bad games. You just have to demand certain standards to be meet for the level of quality you want in a game you are going to purchase and sub for. All it takes is common sense. So far LOTRO has many many of my standards for me to sub for it. Hopefully WAR will to when it's released. /crosses fingers
Games I've played/tried out:WAR, LOTRO, Tabula Rasa, AoC, EQ1, EQ2, WoW, Vangaurd, FFXI, D&DO, Lineage 2, Saga Of Ryzom, EvE Online, DAoC, Guild Wars,Star Wars Galaxies, Hell Gate London, Auto Assault, Grando Espada ( AKA SoTNW ), Archlord, CoV/H, Star Trek Online, APB, Champions Online, FFXIV, Rift Online, GW2.
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GW2 (+LoL and BF3)
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#1. If you can say the OP is from the 30+ crowd, you sir, have a very limited grasp on the understanding of human beings.
#2. Purely subjective.
#3. I find it amusing that no one seems to think that the people who are bored of WoW might just not play LOTRO at all. Its as if these bored players have no other choice. Silly. Sure, I imagine there are people who simply play every new game they see on the shelf, but what sort of numbers are we talking here?
#4. That may be your opinion, but it doesn't mean it is an educated one. IMHO, having to license another IP limits your game's potential, and sacrifices gameplay for the sake of lore. If you own your IP, you can change it at will for the sake of the game.
It really never ceases to amaze me how horribly wrong the perception of the WoW player base is. It has been stated in numerous studies that the average age of a WoW player is 28. It also really never ceases to amaze me that people think age is some kind of significant factor of a player's in-game attitude and play-style.
Equal opportunity troll.
Many people going to LOTRO from WOW. 20 pages of wow quitters on this thread.
forums.lotro.com/showthread.php
Lets see now... there were about 310 posts in that thread. For sake of argument lets claim that all 310 of those were unique.
310 people quitting WoW for LOTRO. Out of the 8.5 million subcribers, that amounts to .0000003% of its playerbase. Hardly signficant by anyone's standards.
Equal opportunity troll.