Originally posted by Coldmeat @M1sf1t: So, because devs have thus far been too broke, or lazy, to pay attention to AI, or any of the other little details, we should just suck it down with a smile, and never wonder if we could have better? Or is it just that this game gets a free pass because it's Lord of the Rings?
So what MMO are you playing that is ub3r? Please do tell. If you condemn LOTRO for being like other MMO games then let's hear you condemn these other games like Vangaurd, EQ1, EQ2, WoW, etc.... Other wise you are just trolling IMHO.
LOTRO never ever said it was going to be the "Next Generation of MMO's" it never made the claim that is was going to be "Revolutionary". If you got your hopes up it was because you were either misinformed or just plain blinded by your own "visions" of MMO grandeur.
As for not saying it would be revolutionary, did you even read my post? You quoted it, but either didn't read it, or just didn't get it.
Lemme try again, slower this time. Why are gamers happy to just accept the same rehashed, revisited game over and over? Is it because it says Lord of the Rings on the box? If it were just generic fantasy game #1,231,414 would you still be singing its praises?
Maybe because they like it and keep paying for it? Wow what a shocker! There might be some people out there that actually enjoy the EQ1 formula that most games including WoW try to recreate and refine.
If that upsets you then I don't know what to say but that maybe you should give other game genres a try instead and forget the whole MMO thing. As I said unless you have the few tens of millions of dollars it would take to create a title you are looking for then you won't be seeing "Revolutionary" MMO games coming out into this competitive market. MMO's are always going to be "evolutionary" in nature because of their ever increasing development and upkeep costs.
Yep, you're right, hoping for something deeper, better, or even just different is not only wrong of me, but it's downright unAmerican.
I should just accept my complimentary lobotomy, kick back with American Idol, and wait to be spoon fed whatever pablum the industry puts in front of me with smile.
Edit: I think Vanguard shows that someone somewhere isn't getting what they paid for. Just because the budgets are going up doesn't seem to have an equivalent effect on the quality of MMO's.
Just so I got this straight. WoW is shitte, because it's only got a couple npc's in each city walking a prescripted, never changing path. LotRO is alive and vibrant because it's got a couple npc's in each city walking a prescripted, never changing path.
@M1sf1t: So, because devs have thus far been too broke, or lazy, to pay attention to AI, or any of the other little details, we should just suck it down with a smile, and never wonder if we could have better? Or is it just that this game gets a free pass because it's Lord of the Rings?
People who like LotRO, take a look at this post above , it is a fisher, he just wants to cause a rise and get satifaction out of us for flaming him. Do not give him that satisfaction. You have been warned....
Out of any game I've played in the past 5 years, I've never seen so many npc's doing different tasks, instead of kust standing around.
When i tested Vanguard, I didn't see any npcs walking around, as well as the motionless quest npcs and npc's that didn't react when I killed their friend right infront of their face.
Lineage 2 had very static npcs and environment, as well as a lack of any wild life.
DAoC Again very static, mobes in clumps for no reason, and the npc's barely moved outside of a city.
Eve online had Attacking Raider A.I. so that is almost the only comparison that can be made.
We can go down the list one by one and just make comparisons. I will post this for your reading pleasure though:
Turbine Signs Global Deal with Kynogon for Its Massively Multiplayer Online Games
Press Release -- This Content Was Not Created By GameSpot
Posted Dec 13, 2006 10:04 am PT
Paris/France, Westwood/Massachusetts - December 14, 2006 – Kynogon, the gaming industry leader of A.I. middleware solutions, and Turbine, Inc., a premier publisher of massively multiplayer online games, have announced that Kynapse will be used for The Lord of the Rings Online: Shadows of Angmar and Dungeons and Dragons Online: Stormreach.
"Choosing Kynapse was a strategic decision for Turbine. We required an AI middleware solution that could be easily integrated into Turbine's state of the art MMO game engine. The solution needed to be flexible enough to support both the large, seamless landscapes found in The Lord of the Rings Online and the fast-paced, action-combat of Dungeons and Dragons Online," said Chris Dyl, CTO of Turbine, Inc. "Kynapse's technology and toolset allows Turbine to set a new bar for the quality of AI in an MMORPG which is key to providing the best online gaming experience for our customers."
"Turbine is a leader and innovator in the massively multiplayer online games industry. We are very pleased to build a long term strategic relationship with them. We have been working hard on the development of our "Large Scale AI" solution and Turbine shows us that we were aiming in the right direction. I also believe that our experience in the serious gaming industry helped us offer Turbine a solution adapted to massively multi-player online titles," commented Pierre Pontevia, CEO of Kynogon. "We are very proud and excited to work with Turbine."
About Kynogon
Kynogon develops and markets A.I. software for real-time behavior simulation. Kynogon's technology is used by the world's leading game developers (Electronic Arts, Sega, Atari, Real Time Worlds, Lionhead Studios, Pyro Studios, Artificial Mind and Movement, ...) as well as industry leaders (EADS, British Aerospace, ...) Kynogon has 6 years experience providing AI production solutions for the games industry, working with our clients from preproduction to gold master. The company's latest offering is Kynapse, a unique A.I. engine. With Kynapse, Non Player Characters can move around in any 3D dynamic world, understand their environment, hide, communicate, cooperate, drive vehicles, etc. For more information please visit www.kynogon.com.
About Turbine
Turbine, Inc. is a premier developer, publisher and operator of online games and entertainment and is headquartered in Westwood, Massachusetts. The company is one of the largest privately-held online games companies in North America. Turbine's catalogue includes some of the most famous online entertainment brands, including Asheron's Call, DUNGEONS and DRAGONS ONLINE: Stormreach, and The Lord of the Rings Online: Shadows of Angmar. For more information on Turbine and its services, please visit www.turbine.com.
Originally posted by Mars505 Originally posted by Coldmeat Just so I got this straight. WoW is shitte, because it's only got a couple npc's in each city walking a prescripted, never changing path. LotRO is alive and vibrant because it's got a couple npc's in each city walking a prescripted, never changing path.@M1sf1t: So, because devs have thus far been too broke, or lazy, to pay attention to AI, or any of the other little details, we should just suck it down with a smile, and never wonder if we could have better? Or is it just that this game gets a free pass because it's Lord of the Rings?
People who like LotRO, take a look at this post above , it is a fisher, he just wants to cause a rise and get satifaction out of us for flaming him. Do not give him that satisfaction. You have been warned....
Out of any game I've played in the past 5 years, I've never seen so many npc's doing different tasks, instead of kust standing around.
When i tested Vanguard, I didn't see any npcs walking around, as well as the motionless quest npcs and npc's that didn't react when I killed their friend right infront of their face. Lineage 2 had very static npcs and environment, as well as a lack of any wild life. DAoC Again very static, mobes in clumps for no reason, and the npc's barely moved outside of a city. Eve online had Attacking Raider A.I. so that is almost the only comparison that can be made.
We can go down the list one by one and just make comparisons. I will post this for your reading pleasure though:
Turbine Signs Global Deal with Kynogon for Its Massively Multiplayer Online Games
By Midway Press Release -- This Content Was Not Created By GameSpot Posted Dec 13, 2006 10:04 am PT
Paris/France, Westwood/Massachusetts - December 14, 2006 Kynogon, the gaming industry leader of A.I. middleware solutions, and Turbine, Inc., a premier publisher of massively multiplayer online games, have announced that Kynapse will be used for The Lord of the Rings Online: Shadows of Angmar and Dungeons and Dragons Online: Stormreach. "Choosing Kynapse was a strategic decision for Turbine. We required an AI middleware solution that could be easily integrated into Turbine's state of the art MMO game engine. The solution needed to be flexible enough to support both the large, seamless landscapes found in The Lord of the Rings Online and the fast-paced, action-combat of Dungeons and Dragons Online," said Chris Dyl, CTO of Turbine, Inc. "Kynapse's technology and toolset allows Turbine to set a new bar for the quality of AI in an MMORPG which is key to providing the best online gaming experience for our customers." "Turbine is a leader and innovator in the massively multiplayer online games industry. We are very pleased to build a long term strategic relationship with them. We have been working hard on the development of our "Large Scale AI" solution and Turbine shows us that we were aiming in the right direction. I also believe that our experience in the serious gaming industry helped us offer Turbine a solution adapted to massively multi-player online titles," commented Pierre Pontevia, CEO of Kynogon. "We are very proud and excited to work with Turbine." About Kynogon Kynogon develops and markets A.I. software for real-time behavior simulation. Kynogon's technology is used by the world's leading game developers (Electronic Arts, Sega, Atari, Real Time Worlds, Lionhead Studios, Pyro Studios, Artificial Mind and Movement, ...) as well as industry leaders (EADS, British Aerospace, ...) Kynogon has 6 years experience providing AI production solutions for the games industry, working with our clients from preproduction to gold master. The company's latest offering is Kynapse, a unique A.I. engine. With Kynapse, Non Player Characters can move around in any 3D dynamic world, understand their environment, hide, communicate, cooperate, drive vehicles, etc. For more information please visit www.kynogon.com. About Turbine Turbine, Inc. is a premier developer, publisher and operator of online games and entertainment and is headquartered in Westwood, Massachusetts. The company is one of the largest privately-held online games companies in North America. Turbine's catalogue includes some of the most famous online entertainment brands, including Asheron's Call, DUNGEONS and DRAGONS ONLINE: Stormreach, and The Lord of the Rings Online: Shadows of Angmar. For more information on Turbine and its services, please visit www.turbine.com.
I tell you what, I'll make a video of me going through Bree. Or if there's another town you'd rather I tape that you feel shows off the the lively atmosphere, and the NPCs. Perhaps some mobs you'd like me to show off their fancy tactics?
I just chased down a goblin i was fighting with my champion and he was loosing so he turned tail and ran all along telling me to leave him alone. Show me another game that they do that. He also ran by other goblins that i had to run by chasing him making me pull aggro from them. I had worked my way half way up the hill to get to the cave i needed to go to talk to a quest NPC that was inside. I had to chase him all the way back down that hill. Fight off the ones i pulled aggro from and then head back up. I have yet to find another game were the AI acted this way to this extent.
I tell you what, I'll make a video of me going through Bree. Or if there's another town you'd rather I tape that you feel shows off the the lively atmosphere, and the NPCs. Perhaps some mobs you'd like me to show off their fancy tactics?
I've been in since beta 1, and I can honestly say, your words mean 0 when it comes to describing any aspect of this title.
Originally posted by Mars505 I've been in sincebeta 1, and I can honestly say, your words mean 0 , wehn it comes to describing any aspect of this title.
Originally posted by Produde Yet another WoW bash eh? You say you played WoW, obviousely not alot if you never saw NPCs "moving around"..... They are all over the place so maybe you should check it out a bit more before making a statement that makes you look silly...
Wrong. I have played WoW since the beta. I only just quit last week, having taken a few breaks in the preceding years. To be honest the expansion pack killed it for me.
It just really bugs me when people bash LOTRO without even examining the faults in their own games....NPC's in WoW? The baker who wanders around Stormwind doesn't count y'know.
Better re-read my statement....didn't "bash" anything....and how do you know I haven't examined my "own games" for faults...agree the SW baker doesn't count but there are many more in places you obviousely have not noticed...too many to start listing in all zones and especially in Outland, try sitting on your butt in the middle of the road in Shadowmoon Valley
Originally posted by Mars505 I've been in sincebeta 1, and I can honestly say, your words mean 0 , wehn it comes to describing any aspect of this title.
I thought not.
Show me Coldmeat Please, I would like to see Panned shots, shots in the Taverns as well as around combe and the Shire.
Will do, Gimme a day or two to find a replacement for fraps, though. It's gone tits up on me. And, I'm not a big fan of it anyway.
And, no, I don't think it's crapping would be needed, though I would like to see them move like it is in your SS. Wildlife's just standing around like statues for me. Have yet to see rain around Bree. Don't recall any snow while playing my dwarf, but could be wrong.
Unless of course, they removed all that from the downloaded client as well... In which case, I'll be a long time in finding any of that.
I see so many people calling the world in LOTRO 'static, boring and lifeless' which is utter lies! LOTRO has trees, grass, flowers which gently sway in the breeze. NPC's don't stand rooted to the spot like in most games, they walk around, push wheelbarrows about, dance, scrub floors etc. Sorry, but as a former WoW player myself, you want to see a static game world? Go play WoW. Trees which don't move, NPC's which stand on one spot 24/7....*yawn*
Yet another WoW bash eh? You say you played WoW, obviousely not alot if you never saw NPCs "moving around".....
They are all over the place so maybe you should check it out a bit more before making a statement that makes you look silly...
There are also frogs in the game , do you need a picture of them or do you take my word for it ?
Midgewater frogs, or the ones at the pond by Ellie Cutleaf's plac NW of Combe?
Anyhow, I found a deer. And with no other players in the vicinity, I approached it. It ran off about 5 feet, and when I chased it, it turned towards the right, and ran another five or so feet, then stopped. From there on, it just did it's normal random wandering script. I tried to herd it by getting in it's way, but it just ignored me. After about 45 seconds to a minute, a Loremaster ran by, the deer started to bolt, but his raven killed it. I'll have to play with the wildlife's AI more later tomorrow night when everyone and their mother isn't around. Seems there's a limit on how far/how many times they will run. Some sort of anti-kiting code, perhaps.
Fought a goblin in the swamp with my hunter. Ran straight at me, and button hooked a bit at the end so he was 45 degrees to my left. Don't know if he was trying to flank me, or what. Didn't know there was a bonus for flanking, special abilities notwithstanding. He eventually ran at about 40% health. He stopped after about 30 odd feet, and was about to do something, but the last shot killed him before I could see if he was just changing direction, or if he was doing something else.
It was foggy in the Marsh. Though, I'm not 100% sure if it was strictly foggy, or if it was the dread effect, as I was in dread mode while I was there for some reason.
Fog in the swamp has a variety of thickness at a variety of different time. Face it ColdMeat you are wrong about the A.I. I mean what more do you want ? Deer crapping and peeeing in the woods, wild animal sex ? The game used the animal A.I as an additive to the bigger picture.
I tell you what, I'll make a video of me going through Bree. Or if there's another town you'd rather I tape that you feel shows off the the lively atmosphere, and the NPCs. Perhaps some mobs you'd like me to show off their fancy tactics?
I'll bite.
Make a video of Buckland. Don't forget the partiers at the fair, or all the hobbits working in their gardens, or the ones practicing their archery skills near Crickhollow. Buckland is pretty lively.
_____________________________ Currently Playing: LOTRO; DDO Played: AC2, AO, Auto Assault, CoX, DAoC, DDO, Earth&Beyond, EQ1, EQ2, EVE, Fallen Earth, Jumpgate, Roma Victor, Second Life, SWG, V:SoH, WoW, World War II Online.
Games I'm watching: Infinity: The Quest for Earth, Force of Arms.
Don't let coldmeat get under your skin. He got what he wanted a lot of LOTRO player blood pressure up. We all know he is simply wrong anyone who played the game even if they do not like it know he is wrong. I do not need fraps videos, I play the game and the enviroemnt and npc ai is some of the best in any mmo ever.
I would seriously like to know what MMO do people play in which the AI is dynamic, intelligent and leveling paths are boundless, endless and quests randomly generated but logical in nature with an over arching grand story behind them? Where character customization is as varied and unique as the faces seen in real life. Bring to this MMO promise land !
Star Wars Galaxies, before the "combat upgrade" and way before the "new game enhancements". That my friend, is what you were seeking. The dynamic questing was only present in BountyHunter missions due to the obvious lack of vision exhibited by Sony Online Entertainment and Lucas Arts.
SWG truely was the best thing online gaming ever possesed even if many had missed the que or failed to identify with it.
I bet he had to download the game . He used the same lines in so many other forums and game threads I wonder about is credibility of being someone you can have a conversation with online about games ..
I was in the goblin camp in the greenfields in the shire. It wasn't a pathing thing cause there was no obsticles between me and the goblin. They have improved the AI since closed beta. I didn't notice these thing in closed beta either. I would like to see a bear fishing, or a wolf chasing a rabbit. Though i have noticed the mobs move around alot more than they did in closed beta. Heck the spiders sometimes try to run away now also. I have seen this all over the game. Being a hunter it doesn't do much good i just shoot them. But if your a melee class you have to chase them. The do it randomly. I have also had a goblin run away throw a spear at me run up attack me then run back throw another spear and run up and attack me again. Go to the dwarf city kelendul and you will see some dwarves standing around on gaurd duty, some walking around. Others will come running from out of your area of view to help when you attack the signature walking around. I am not saying it is perfect but it is alot more than i have seen in other games. And i did not play either EQ's or WOW. I mentioned in my other post i may be wrong. Just that the games i did play the mobs didn't act the way they do in LOTRO. I can't remember were i saw this but a dev had told a person that they are constantly working on the AI with the new AI system they just bought and the AI's will be acting differantly than expected as time goes by. I have noticed some of this. I think given time they will have the AI's doing things we only wished they could do.
Every time I fight a hunter sort of goblin they root me and move so I can't attack them and then throw spears at me.
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Yep, you're right, hoping for something deeper, better, or even just different is not only wrong of me, but it's downright unAmerican.
I should just accept my complimentary lobotomy, kick back with American Idol, and wait to be spoon fed whatever pablum the industry puts in front of me with smile.
Edit: I think Vanguard shows that someone somewhere isn't getting what they paid for. Just because the budgets are going up doesn't seem to have an equivalent effect on the quality of MMO's.
Out of any game I've played in the past 5 years, I've never seen so many npc's doing different tasks, instead of kust standing around.
When i tested Vanguard, I didn't see any npcs walking around, as well as the motionless quest npcs and npc's that didn't react when I killed their friend right infront of their face.
Lineage 2 had very static npcs and environment, as well as a lack of any wild life.
DAoC Again very static, mobes in clumps for no reason, and the npc's barely moved outside of a city.
Eve online had Attacking Raider A.I. so that is almost the only comparison that can be made.
We can go down the list one by one and just make comparisons. I will post this for your reading pleasure though:
Turbine Signs Global Deal with Kynogon for Its Massively Multiplayer Online Games
Press Release -- This Content Was Not Created By GameSpot
Paris/France, Westwood/Massachusetts - December 14, 2006 – Kynogon, the gaming industry leader of A.I. middleware solutions, and Turbine, Inc., a premier publisher of massively multiplayer online games, have announced that Kynapse will be used for The Lord of the Rings Online: Shadows of Angmar and Dungeons and Dragons Online: Stormreach.
"Choosing Kynapse was a strategic decision for Turbine. We required an AI middleware solution that could be easily integrated into Turbine's state of the art MMO game engine. The solution needed to be flexible enough to support both the large, seamless landscapes found in The Lord of the Rings Online and the fast-paced, action-combat of Dungeons and Dragons Online," said Chris Dyl, CTO of Turbine, Inc. "Kynapse's technology and toolset allows Turbine to set a new bar for the quality of AI in an MMORPG which is key to providing the best online gaming experience for our customers."
"Turbine is a leader and innovator in the massively multiplayer online games industry. We are very pleased to build a long term strategic relationship with them. We have been working hard on the development of our "Large Scale AI" solution and Turbine shows us that we were aiming in the right direction. I also believe that our experience in the serious gaming industry helped us offer Turbine a solution adapted to massively multi-player online titles," commented Pierre Pontevia, CEO of Kynogon. "We are very proud and excited to work with Turbine."
About Kynogon
Kynogon develops and markets A.I. software for real-time behavior simulation. Kynogon's technology is used by the world's leading game developers (Electronic Arts, Sega, Atari, Real Time Worlds, Lionhead Studios, Pyro Studios, Artificial Mind and Movement, ...) as well as industry leaders (EADS, British Aerospace, ...) Kynogon has 6 years experience providing AI production solutions for the games industry, working with our clients from preproduction to gold master. The company's latest offering is Kynapse, a unique A.I. engine. With Kynapse, Non Player Characters can move around in any 3D dynamic world, understand their environment, hide, communicate, cooperate, drive vehicles, etc. For more information please visit www.kynogon.com.
About Turbine
Turbine, Inc. is a premier developer, publisher and operator of online games and entertainment and is headquartered in Westwood, Massachusetts. The company is one of the largest privately-held online games companies in North America. Turbine's catalogue includes some of the most famous online entertainment brands, including Asheron's Call, DUNGEONS and DRAGONS ONLINE: Stormreach, and The Lord of the Rings Online: Shadows of Angmar. For more information on Turbine and its services, please visit www.turbine.com.
who me ?
Out of any game I've played in the past 5 years, I've never seen so many npc's doing different tasks, instead of kust standing around.
When i tested Vanguard, I didn't see any npcs walking around, as well as the motionless quest npcs and npc's that didn't react when I killed their friend right infront of their face.
Lineage 2 had very static npcs and environment, as well as a lack of any wild life.
DAoC Again very static, mobes in clumps for no reason, and the npc's barely moved outside of a city.
Eve online had Attacking Raider A.I. so that is almost the only comparison that can be made.
We can go down the list one by one and just make comparisons. I will post this for your reading pleasure though:
Turbine Signs Global Deal with Kynogon for Its Massively Multiplayer Online Games
By Midway
Press Release -- This Content Was Not Created By GameSpot
Posted Dec 13, 2006 10:04 am PT
Paris/France, Westwood/Massachusetts - December 14, 2006 Kynogon, the gaming industry leader of A.I. middleware solutions, and Turbine, Inc., a premier publisher of massively multiplayer online games, have announced that Kynapse will be used for The Lord of the Rings Online: Shadows of Angmar and Dungeons and Dragons Online: Stormreach.
"Choosing Kynapse was a strategic decision for Turbine. We required an AI middleware solution that could be easily integrated into Turbine's state of the art MMO game engine. The solution needed to be flexible enough to support both the large, seamless landscapes found in The Lord of the Rings Online and the fast-paced, action-combat of Dungeons and Dragons Online," said Chris Dyl, CTO of Turbine, Inc. "Kynapse's technology and toolset allows Turbine to set a new bar for the quality of AI in an MMORPG which is key to providing the best online gaming experience for our customers."
"Turbine is a leader and innovator in the massively multiplayer online games industry. We are very pleased to build a long term strategic relationship with them. We have been working hard on the development of our "Large Scale AI" solution and Turbine shows us that we were aiming in the right direction. I also believe that our experience in the serious gaming industry helped us offer Turbine a solution adapted to massively multi-player online titles," commented Pierre Pontevia, CEO of Kynogon. "We are very proud and excited to work with Turbine."
About Kynogon
Kynogon develops and markets A.I. software for real-time behavior simulation. Kynogon's technology is used by the world's leading game developers (Electronic Arts, Sega, Atari, Real Time Worlds, Lionhead Studios, Pyro Studios, Artificial Mind and Movement, ...) as well as industry leaders (EADS, British Aerospace, ...) Kynogon has 6 years experience providing AI production solutions for the games industry, working with our clients from preproduction to gold master. The company's latest offering is Kynapse, a unique A.I. engine. With Kynapse, Non Player Characters can move around in any 3D dynamic world, understand their environment, hide, communicate, cooperate, drive vehicles, etc. For more information please visit www.kynogon.com.
About Turbine
Turbine, Inc. is a premier developer, publisher and operator of online games and entertainment and is headquartered in Westwood, Massachusetts. The company is one of the largest privately-held online games companies in North America. Turbine's catalogue includes some of the most famous online entertainment brands, including Asheron's Call, DUNGEONS and DRAGONS ONLINE: Stormreach, and The Lord of the Rings Online: Shadows of Angmar. For more information on Turbine and its services, please visit www.turbine.com.
I tell you what, I'll make a video of me going through Bree. Or if there's another town you'd rather I tape that you feel shows off the the lively atmosphere, and the NPCs. Perhaps some mobs you'd like me to show off their fancy tactics?
World.... of.... Warcraft....
who me ?
I thought not.
Wrong. I have played WoW since the beta. I only just quit last week, having taken a few breaks in the preceding years. To be honest the expansion pack killed it for me.
It just really bugs me when people bash LOTRO without even examining the faults in their own games....NPC's in WoW? The baker who wanders around Stormwind doesn't count y'know.
Better re-read my statement....didn't "bash" anything....and how do you know I haven't examined my "own games" for faults...agree the SW baker doesn't count but there are many more in places you obviousely have not noticed...too many to start listing in all zones and especially in Outland, try sitting on your butt in the middle of the road in Shadowmoon Valleysnow:
deer running away when I approached:
Maybe the deer would crap in the woods , Coldmeat cold be more satisfied ?
I like pie !
I thought not.
Show me Coldmeat Please, I would like to see Panned shots, shots in the Taverns as well as around combe and the Shire.I like pie !
lotr is so damn casual its like playing a Zelda game....LMAO
Good points: Its polished.... And has neat graphics.
Will do, Gimme a day or two to find a replacement for fraps, though. It's gone tits up on me. And, I'm not a big fan of it anyway.
And, no, I don't think it's crapping would be needed, though I would like to see them move like it is in your SS. Wildlife's just standing around like statues for me. Have yet to see rain around Bree. Don't recall any snow while playing my dwarf, but could be wrong.
Unless of course, they removed all that from the downloaded client as well... In which case, I'll be a long time in finding any of that.
You see a deer all the time in Chetwoods , rabbits . Dude I remember a rabbit running beside me back in beta one, it was awesome lol.
Think you are just in the wrong areas or the deer with chased off. There is a ton of wild life and tons of A.I. throughout the game
I like pie !
Yet another WoW bash eh? You say you played WoW, obviousely not alot if you never saw NPCs "moving around".....
They are all over the place so maybe you should check it out a bit more before making a statement that makes you look silly...
Wow stinks!
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There are also frogs in the game , do you need a picture of them or do you take my word for it ?
I like pie !
Midgewater frogs, or the ones at the pond by Ellie Cutleaf's plac NW of Combe?
Anyhow, I found a deer. And with no other players in the vicinity, I approached it. It ran off about 5 feet, and when I chased it, it turned towards the right, and ran another five or so feet, then stopped. From there on, it just did it's normal random wandering script. I tried to herd it by getting in it's way, but it just ignored me. After about 45 seconds to a minute, a Loremaster ran by, the deer started to bolt, but his raven killed it. I'll have to play with the wildlife's AI more later tomorrow night when everyone and their mother isn't around. Seems there's a limit on how far/how many times they will run. Some sort of anti-kiting code, perhaps.
Fought a goblin in the swamp with my hunter. Ran straight at me, and button hooked a bit at the end so he was 45 degrees to my left. Don't know if he was trying to flank me, or what. Didn't know there was a bonus for flanking, special abilities notwithstanding. He eventually ran at about 40% health. He stopped after about 30 odd feet, and was about to do something, but the last shot killed him before I could see if he was just changing direction, or if he was doing something else.
It was foggy in the Marsh. Though, I'm not 100% sure if it was strictly foggy, or if it was the dread effect, as I was in dread mode while I was there for some reason.
P.S. The frogs at Ellies didn't do anything
who me ?
I'll bite.
Make a video of Buckland. Don't forget the partiers at the fair, or all the hobbits working in their gardens, or the ones practicing their archery skills near Crickhollow. Buckland is pretty lively.
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Currently Playing: LOTRO; DDO
Played: AC2, AO, Auto Assault, CoX, DAoC, DDO, Earth&Beyond, EQ1, EQ2, EVE, Fallen Earth, Jumpgate, Roma Victor, Second Life, SWG, V:SoH, WoW, World War II Online.
Games I'm watching: Infinity: The Quest for Earth, Force of Arms.
Find the Truth: http://www.factcheck.org/
1. you admit your mistaken about the A.I.
or
2. post clear video of Combe , Bree , Buckland
who me ?
AI is absolutly wonderful, bears lay down , sit down, animals do all kinds of things.
Star Wars Galaxies, before the "combat upgrade" and way before the "new game enhancements". That my friend, is what you were seeking. The dynamic questing was only present in BountyHunter missions due to the obvious lack of vision exhibited by Sony Online Entertainment and Lucas Arts.
SWG truely was the best thing online gaming ever possesed even if many had missed the que or failed to identify with it.
BINGO!
The above post hit the nail on the head....SWG Bounty Hunter....it didnt get any better. At least I havnt found it since....well.....you know....
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I bet he had to download the game . He used the same lines in so many other forums and game threads I wonder about is credibility of being someone you can have a conversation with online about games ..
who me ?